Warriors Sign Monta Ellis
According to Marcus Thompson from the Contra Costa Times, the warriors have signed monta ellis to a 6 year 66 million dollar contract.
"The Warriors’ signaled their end to the free agent period by locking up their own guy. Monta Ellis inked a six-year deal today worth $66 million according to an NBA insider."
This is fantastic news for the warriors considering they got him at a very reasonable price IMO.
Here is the link
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/24/warriors-sign-monta/
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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wait until you see how it's given out..
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SF Chron reports...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/24/SPKT11V24P.DTL
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/24/SPKT11V24P.DTL
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take a look at the new home page...
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of disrespectful to Jackson and Harrington no?
I realize the promo is about the future, but I’d be ticked if I were those two. You put Buke up on the front page and not Jackson? Especially since the audio mentions Jackson pumping up the crowd,
Storage is for business, or for family.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 24, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we mention Jackson...
at the very beginning…but good observations…keep that in mind as the summer progresses…
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if anyone else remembers or notices but I'm
aware that your inside info usually pans out so why don’t you let the rest of us in on it because you’ve dropped like 3 ambiguous hints in this thread . . . So out with it!!!
Otherwise I’m starting a rumor that Jackson is replacing Nelson as head coach and that CJ Watson is going to replace Franco Finn.
Storage is for business, or for family.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 24, 2008 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your good folk...
bloodsweatndonuts. First year in a while the boys can actually move some bodies in and out of the organization…They are having FUN…maybe to much. Not sure it’s over yet. Really all I can say…you know that.
However the thought of Franco Finn in shorts – disgusting! Captain Jack as coach…He did a lot of that last year – while Nellie just stood there (remember CJ blog).
Go Warriors!!!
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The homepage...
just shows all the players we have signed (or re-signed) during the offseason. Don’t think it’s disrespect.
by Eggman on Jul 24, 2008 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. might as well start a rumor that turiaf is now the starting 5 since andris isn’t on it.
by so ill so d0pe on Jul 25, 2008 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andris isn't signed yet so that's not really analogous
My point was that Jackson was a captain and “supposedly” the heart and soul of the team and people were even talking about him for league MVP (which is absurd).
I would think he would be at least second in command on this team if not the veteran leader and returning captain. So If I saw semi-nobodies Turiaf and Williams and returning bench guy Buke on the front page, I might be annoyed.
Storage is for business, or for family.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 25, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahah
no love to jackson, harrington, biedrins, etc. i mean yeh they are showing guys they just signed but still they show all the new guys then they show monta and kellenna
by Agent Zero on Jul 24, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are going there
No love for Kosta!!! COME ON!!! SHOW THE BIG STIFF!!
by pinkycheal on Jul 25, 2008 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta and Kelenna....
whom we re-signed….
by Eggman on Jul 25, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WANT TO SEE ELLIS AT 15 POINTS A GAME INSTEAD!!
i know everyone wants ellis to score 20 along with mag and jackson but i would rather see monta score just 15 and get 10 assist per game. it’ll be so nice if he morphs into a chris paul type of player as the season goes on but with a more explosive offensive game. he got the tools to do it. he’ll be more similar to isiah than paul if he gets those assist over 10
by ADOBO on Jul 27, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
marcus williams
the fact that he hasn’t had a press conference or whatnot to introduce him means they’re still using the photoshopped picture—which they took the mirror image making the warriors jersey backwards. this bothers me haha.
if maggette has been formally introduced, i’m assuming he had some photo ops. why does his pic on the front page his photoshopped one and not have his jersey number on it?
i guess i just have OCD
by gogoldenbears on Jul 25, 2008 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had it before he was even a favorite
The little time Mike Montgomery gave him, I went to the Warriors online store and bought a no-namer named Monta Ellis’ jersey.
by Golden Boy on Jul 24, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's back...
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i ain't doing that shiet again
after the summer league i bought a bellienellie jersey. i live in socal so i sported that jersey to the clippers home opener with the warriors. i was talking hella smack bout how great he will be. let say i hope i don’t see those same clipper fans again.
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 24, 2008 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, don't do that shiet again
Good thinking. When talking smack using summer league play as a basis, make sure you say it to someone you won’t see again.
by Don't Mess With The Cohan on Jul 24, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bellinelli does look like a good player
He just doesn’t get any PT. But I bet he’d be the low FG% outside streak shooter type of player more like eddie house.
by balleerj on Jul 28, 2008 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
REALLY???
can i shake your hand???
by gogoldenbears on Jul 25, 2008 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow!
mully really knows how to pressure players to a bargain. If we get andris under a 100 mil I could faint.
by kaisersoulzae8 on Jul 24, 2008 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
u honestly think andris is gonna get more than monta?
by AJC3317 on Jul 24, 2008 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO effin way Beans' contract willbe bigger than Monta's
He’ll prolly get $7 or 8 mil for 5 years.
We Believe!!!
by crossphaded on Jul 24, 2008 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did the Biedrens to europe fanpost dissapear?
by The Golden One on Jul 24, 2008 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the moderator’s didn’t buy it.
by Eggman on Jul 24, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's why
We expect the fan posts to be of good quality. Here’s what that person wrote:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9987389Looks like he is getting a lot of interest from Russian teams. Thoughs?
Hopefully not true. Can he cancel his contract and go to Europe even if he is restricted?
75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75
Is it really that hard to write 75 words about Biedrins possibly leaving for Europe? No, didn’t think so.
Now you’ll understand why this fan post, http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2008/7/24/578775/biedrins-back-to-europe, was left up there instead of the one you are referring to.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 25, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hear is the link
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the post
Meanwhile, a source close to Biedrins said the fifth-year center is being pursued heavily by European teams.
The Latvia native is drawing strong interest in a couple of Russian clubs, according to the source, who added that teams are willing to sign him for three to five years for what amounts to more than $10 million per year.
This would be the best news for Biedrins’ in months. The only team with salary cap space that was reportedly interested in him, other than the Warriors, was Philadelphia. But the 76ers spent their cap money on Elton Brand. So leverage of a fat offer from overseas is Biedrins’ best hope of getting the money he wants from the Warriors, or anywhere in the NBA.
Biedrins’ camp, which was rumored to have its sight set on the ballpark of Chris
Kaman’s contract (five years, $55 million), likely won’t be elated about the offer they’re likely going to get from the Warriors. It would be surprising if Biedrins’ offer even equaled Corey Maggette’s average of $10 million a year. A six-year, $48 million offer may be what Golden State presents Biedrins.
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one has a little more info
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=437999
It says Biedrins and his agent haven’t initiated any talks with any European teams, but 3 teams have inquired as to his availability. His agent basically says Europe is something that wouldn’t be hard to do if he doesn’t get the contract he wants. His agent says:
“We have had good meetings with Golden State, but we want to keep open all opportunities for him. He is in a good position. It would be no problem for him to play in Europe.”
So it sounds like it’s just a thought at this point. If they’ve had good meetings with Golden State, I’m not too worried. And Mully all but said the deals were done. He said he didn’t want to call anything done until they were signed, but he was pretty sure they’d both sign long term deals.
by Eggman on Jul 24, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I gather, the Warriors are starting Monta at 11mil this season. That’s a good move since they can afford to do it as it means his contract will stay the same more or less while the cap and tax can reasonably be expected to increase. I guess the total $66mil (or 67 depending on the reports) was enough. It’s also good for him as money in your own bank account now is worth more than the same dollars down the road.
This leaves the Warriors with about 11mil under the tax threshold for Biedrins. What’s he asking for? What will he get? A deal similar in size could start at 8.7 million and progress upwards at the max allowable raise. Or the could do what they did with Monta and front load it (presumably leaving a tiny bit of space under the tax for the rookie min player should they need to grab one or two as the season progresses, or some pad space in case a trade brings back a touch more cash). In any event, the money is there. The front office has done a reasonable job of keeping it together such that they can pay their guys a salary that should keep them around without paying the tax for what will still be a borderline playoff team.
I’d really, really hate to see Biedrins go. Though some seem to think that his dunks and putbacks are easy and anyone could get them and seem to think that his rebounds were “padded”, I strongly believe that his play substantially adds to our win total. We won’t be nearly as competitive a team without him.
by jae on Jul 24, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it's 6 for 66
doesnt his salary progress over the years like maggettes? Which means maybe he’s starting more towards 9 per?
by dso on Jul 24, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
That gives us more room for Andris in year one. I think reports said we’d probably have about $20 mill this year between Monta and Biedrins, so we should have room even if it starts at about $10.
by Eggman on Jul 24, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen it published that he's getting
11M in the first year. Which is GREAT news. Backloaded contracts absolutely DESTROY the future.
by ohmangoAs on Jul 24, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I read (and this is quite a bit of hearsay and rumor) it isn’t built with the standard raises. If you’re keeping your own FA and don’t need to worry about the cap and giving less than the max, it’s a good way to do it, better than the escalating ones because it means that provided the cap goes up (usually, but not always the case) the player will take up less of it each year.
This almost never happens with another player’s free agent though. When you’re trying to lure someone away into your camp, you’re limited by the cap space in the year you sign him, so unless the player is real nice and doesn’t want much money, it’s more difficult to front load since that year 1 has to fit under the cap. I believe, but do not know, that this is what they did with Maggs.
Now it appears that we also frontloaded Turiaf’s deal, in part to make it more difficult for the Lakers to match, but also because we had the space and it wasn’t a very big contract.
by jae on Jul 24, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Where have you seen that it starts at $11? I have heard otherwise, but they aren’t very reliable sources.
by pree on Jul 24, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I saw at ESPN’s web page, where they’re saying it’s a $67mil deal. They said explicitly that the 08-09 salary is $11mil.
target=”new”>http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3504378
I often wonder how these figures get out. Whenever a contract is signed, the Warriors official release always says “by team policy, terms were not released” but almost invariably, the figures get out there.
I certainly hope that it’s $11 to start and stays level, though it’s not the end of the world if it’s the standard increasing scale (in which case, it starts at about $8.72mil).
by jae on Jul 24, 2008 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
E-Mail me ..
I need some “cap help” if you will ..
by pree on Jul 24, 2008 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pree
That’s Chris Broussard- don’t worry about what he says.
He probably just took the $/year average and tossed it in.
by dprodigy19 on Jul 25, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the new $11 million man!
After the chump change he made last year and the staggering #s he put up, I think he is worth the money. He’s young, he’s dynamic, he IS the future of the Dubs now! Congrats Monta!
Let’s sign Beans and be done with all the speculation already!
Lineup looks set:
Monta
Maggs
Jacks
TMNT
Beans
—-—-
Williams
B-Wright
Buike
Randolph
Bellinelli
Turiaf
Watson
Hendrix
Kosta(?)
Morrow(?)
We Believe!!!
by crossphaded on Jul 24, 2008 6:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You assume watson will still be here???
First D day is tomorrow…another one IF he makes the roster …AND another one IF her is here in January…
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't they keep Watson?
He’s shown to be a bonafide bench player. Knowing Nellie, he will probably be playing the same kinda minutes as he did last season when he came up from the D-league. They need depth at PG still since Williams is still not proven. I think Kosta is more of a question mark than Watson.
We Believe!!!
by crossphaded on Jul 24, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some in the organization are NOT
convinced that he is the right guy for the $$$ we are paying him.
by streetballer on Jul 24, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is worth the money.
The guy that cleans septic tanks is worth the money. No basketball player is “worth” 11 mil. per year. How much would tickets cost if these guys were paid wages comparable to other jobs :>) ?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 24, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about
The guy that cleans the skeptic tank?
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 25, 2008 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
warriors luck?
Monta goes to the basket 1st game of the year trips tears his acl.
PLEASE STAY HEALTHY.
and learn to play defense.
Maverick Fans Just don't get it.... Dirk = Deutshland
by dallaswarrior on Jul 24, 2008 6:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, way to jinx it. Dallas warrior…. Very suspicious.
by q00pster on Jul 24, 2008 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and learn to play defense
Haha, We shoulda got him for half price since he only plays one way.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 24, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
would be funny to bring that up in a contract negotiation. haha i’m sure monta would demand a sign and trade or take the tender. maybe if it was incentive-laden though. 6yrs/33 mil + 5.5mil/yr more for every year he plays good defense
by gogoldenbears on Jul 25, 2008 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he got paid more than boom
he can bring not just his whole family but the entire state of missisipi to have a family bq.
” The boys out in oakland call him the missisipi bullet. ” – greatest line of all time
by kaisersoulzae8 on Jul 24, 2008 6:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
$66mil man
Awesome, we have great young players. next year or two might be a little difficult though
by DubsFanFromChi-town on Jul 24, 2008 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As expected
once they used up most/all of the salary cap space they signed Monta, 6/66M is alright. Guess Biedrins will sign soon.
by semarubaka on Jul 24, 2008 6:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is great news
so far 3 players signed today. buike, hendrix, n monta. hopefully biedrins signs his contract prolly 10-15 mill lower than montas.
by GSwarrior on Jul 24, 2008 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The terms are about what you’d expect, but still nice to see. Looks like Mully may be trying for a PR moment tomorrow, by putting the new roster (more or less) in place.
by onlxn on Jul 24, 2008 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
check the warriors homepage
monta featured prominently among the new/resigned players. (i wonder where andris’ pictures is supposed to go…)
by exl on Jul 24, 2008 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's hope he can play the point
any cap $$ left to get Anthony Morrow and Jamont Gordon on board? With Marcus Williams signed I doubt CJ Watson will be back.
by shootda3 on Jul 24, 2008 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’d both be rookie min. A team does not need cap room to sign someone to the min.
They do need a roster slot though. Those are getting scarce at this point.
by jae on Jul 24, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it should be cheaper! Everything should be cheaper!
In an ideal world, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard and Chris Paul would all bend over backwards to play for the Warriors for free. ;)
Ellis deserves a decent payday. Just be glad he’s not demanding $20 million a year.
by J-Triumf on Jul 24, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He couldn’t demand 20mil a year. That’s above the max allowable for a player with his tenure in the league.
by jae on Jul 24, 2008 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An exaggeration on my part, no need to take it literally ;)
I’m just saying that we should be glad Ellis planning to stay for a while without demanding a lot more than what he finally got.
by J-Triumf on Jul 24, 2008 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, who wouldn’t want to save money? I’m just saying because monta has not reached that superstar status yet, and many of those superstars are getting what he just got.
by ejdacanay on Jul 24, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to other news outlets
Beans has met with the Warriors. are you sure about the end of your article?
by ohmangoAs on Jul 24, 2008 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like this one...
by Eggman on Jul 24, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what I've read or heard
I don’t work with agents for most of my info because I feel like they have .. well .. alternative reasons for talking to me? Everything that I have heard points to the Warriors having not really sat down with Biedrins’ people.
This could be one of those situations that comes down to how people define “meeting” unfortunately.
by pree on Jul 24, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Soprano sees a "meeting"....
A little different.
by Hayward's Finest on Jul 24, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our pg situation
Monta will be a good pg. I’m sure he’s loving the doubters right now. When you have Baron on your team, you don’t have to play pg.
by Golden Boy on Jul 24, 2008 6:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
true.
monta never played a full season as the primary distributor. hes been used as a combo guard playing the 2 and sometimes running the point. i think this season we will know if he can acually play the point and hopefully he can prove those doubters wrong.
by GSwarrior on Jul 24, 2008 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome monta
feeling better after this news. may warm up to the new faces if they help monta rise to the next level.
"We're Menudo," -BB
by eshock on Jul 24, 2008 8:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
6 years, $66 million? 666!!!
OMG HE’S TEH DEVIL RUN AWAY
But really, good to see an official move on him. It’s now safe to say we have something good to look forward to come November.
by J-Triumf on Jul 24, 2008 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
6 years, $66
Isn’t that what Dunleavy signed? Either Dun or Murph.
by Eggman on Jul 24, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to make a statement
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for your time.
by belilaugh on Jul 24, 2008 8:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you
thanks Mully! 2 for 2 on Thursday! holla!
by GoldenStateDubtronic on Jul 24, 2008 9:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - thank god...
Man oh man what a day. :-D
Golden State Warriors fan since 1984. The Filipino sensation!
by RayAlmeda on Jul 24, 2008 9:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRING IT WESTERN CONF….................
Warriors are packing and looking for a fight!
Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 24, 2008 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good News...
terms look good. I’m looking forward to seeing something concrete about the way it breaks down year by year. Now bring on the good news about Andris.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jul 24, 2008 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They said... they were gonna resign him!

... More old school flavor makes me wanna draw some new ones!
by Tony.psd on Jul 24, 2008 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony these are superb mate!
Was wondering how you do them?
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 24, 2008 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Photoshop
or Illustrator
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 27, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% Vector
... I just love Adobe Illustrator!
add me ;-P http://www.myspace.com/tony_xpress
by Tony.psd on Jul 27, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need some new ones!
We need a Randolph/Wright “Twin Toothpicks” drawing!
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Jul 24, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why lakers colors yo.
check yo display again im sure you didnt mean it.
by dso on Jul 24, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gonna have to add tats to your new monta pictures
by Nellieball on Jul 25, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha Tony got a better one for ya
One of Hendrix in full Golf plus fours outfit swinging the “Randolph” club turning to Ellis and saying pass me the “Wright” think I can hit a longer drive!!!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 24, 2008 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
That could be pretty funny if it could actually be pulled off well artistically.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Jul 24, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beans' contract
Remember in Europe they get TWICE the money. That is, if in USA they give him 10 mil, he gets 5 mil (50% goes as taxes). In Europe the players can get the whole numbers, no taxes.
That’s the BIIIG reason for the movements you’ve seen lately to Europe. And there’s more to come. We’re talking about getting TWICE the money.
So either the dubs make a good offer to Beans, or he can really leave to Europe.
The only big difference in USA is the money you can get with advertising, shoes companies, and that kind of stuff. If that’s taken care by our Ws helping players to get their fat contracts for marketing shoes, clothes and so on you can convince them. That’s the reason so many players want to be in the big markets… is not about bball, but about money. As usual.
by Zena on Jul 25, 2008 1:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No taxes in Europe, huh?
I heard gas is free in Europe, too…
And the ladies wear no tops, even in winter…
And the streets are paved with chocolate…

Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 25, 2008 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
whatta nice country is this Europe woohoo
actually sometimes players sign contracts for money ‘after taxes’ -usually in Europe pay taxes is employers obligation -this means in players contract is written number what he get AT (after taxes)
but while we talk about millions worth contracts -i m pretty sure those numbers are BT not AT
forexample in Latvia taxes are about 36% in Sweden -then more you earn -then more you pay (progressive system) -in every country it’s different
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 25, 2008 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
research, guys
make some research. The system is progressive in most countries, and the state takes 30-60% depending on the numbers and the country. But and this is a HUGE but for sports and other cultural activities the taxes are given back at the end of the fiscal year. So they pay the taxes, but it’s back to the company’s books at the end, so they can pay double.
Sleepy Freud, you seem to be the kind of USA people that’s so widely known for their knowledge about the world, the science, and everything. People around the world can do nothing but be amazed at the incredible average cultural level of USA people. Really.
By the way, i work as an account manager. Here, in Europe.
by Zena on Jul 25, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'oh
Sorry if I misread you. Not that I don’t trust you, but I’d love to see a link to a page about European taxes so I can do a little research. Seems like a sweet untapped revenue source for EU governments if true.
As for the other stuff: sorry, my powers of irony aren’t sufficiently refined to detect whether you were paying me a compliment or a swipe. The bit about the USA being renowned for its science and technology is certainly true, while the bit about being “amazed by the incredible average cultural level of USA people” is certainly untrue — unless by “amazed” you mean “disappointed” or “horrified.” As a Yank who has lived eight years (total) in Japan, France, and the UK, I’m constantly ashamed at my compatriots’ lack of respect for / knowledge of / interest in the world around them.
I’m not sure provincialism is limited to Americans is limited to Americans, though. “Average people” are pretty self-absorbed all over. I think one of the great American poets, the late George Carlin, may have put it best: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that…”
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 25, 2008 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at this from espn...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3508955
“New Jersey Nets free agent Nenad Krstic signed a two year deal worth $3 million euros per year with Triumph Moscow early Tuesday morning, Krstic’s agent, Marc Cornstein, said.
The salary is the equivalent of around $9 million per year in the United States once you factor in the exchange rate and the fact that European clubs pay all the players’ taxes.”
Now, 3 mill euros = 4.5 mill dollars
That’s pretty much what i was saying, getting 4.5 in europe is the equivalent of 9 in USA…
The reason, as you can see in the press report, are the taxes. As i said, in europe the organization pays it for you because they got it back when they close the books at the end of the fiscal year.
by Zena on Jul 29, 2008 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
asdf
Remember in Europe they get TWICE the money. That is, if in USA they give him 10 mil, he gets 5 mil (50% goes as taxes). In Europe the players can get the whole numbers, no taxes
i believe this all is about this
i can say yes -i agree “players can get the whole numbers, no taxes” but not in this case
in some countries money what is going to sports (as city or state subsidy) is coming from alcohol and tobacco taxes and is no need to put a taxes on money what develop sport (sports as aspect of culture is one of priorities)
-but this is never about 10m per season
i’ve seen a lot of vids about dumb americans -like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
but never met one in my life -most likely dumb americans don’t like to travel
while i m not very high minded about regular citizens of UK whom drunk behavior in heart of my city makes me mad every time when i heard brittish accent
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 25, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes me mad every time when i heard brittish accent
what about Irish? :>)
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 25, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Irish? :>)
just if it’s Irish cockney :D
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by Lat We N Trash on Jul 25, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t know if you traveled to Greece but the situation on those beautifull islands is that they are overruned by brittish citizens(most of them dead drunk and obnoxious) who think that they are better than the rest of the world.
by buky on Jul 25, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If youre American? Your last sentence is a bit rich!!!
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 26, 2008 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love Slovenia for
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlvruo8kGJA
100% respect
one of most powerful art projects ever
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by Lat We N Trash on Jul 26, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks lat
you rick rolled me with that video
by misterjennings on Jul 26, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Er....excuse me!
“while i m not very high minded about regular citizens of UK whom drunk behavior in heart of my city makes me mad every time when i heard brittish accent”
Can you clarify this, otherwise Buike and I will be asking you to step outside for a small chat!
I will confess there is a large portion of the British community I would like to drop into a large hole in the Atlantic Ocean, however I fear there is a 20 to 1 ratio of Americans I could equally do the same with!
Pity the poor “American” who (and I have seen this so many times) decided it was cool to chat up this girl at a bar who was clearly with someone else and when he didnt take NO for an answer, found the 6’4” of angry boyfriend Brit next to her grabbing him by the ears, giving him a “Glaswegian kiss” (Translation – Headbutt) to his nose where upon he started crying like a girl as to “WHY” as he poured claret everywhere?
It all comes down to culture and there are some things you just dont do. For example, drink driving. I have to say..Americans SUCK when it comes to drink driving! The seemed rule is a drink an hour Horsecrap!!!!!!!! A beer an hour for 6 hours does NOT make you safe to drive a car. The Brits do know their limit (two drinks) if they are driving, period. However when those who are not driving do get drunk, they can get a little out of hand and to be honest, they are embarrassing.
Equally though, the complete inability of Americans in and around San Francisco to understand the basic principles of the road, are driving me mad. I kid you not, I took my US driving test and the route from Daly City DMV did not allow me to get out of 2nd gear??? Yet this is then fine to let people on a freeway at 70+mph!
Whilst there is much that is very screwed up in the UK, there is just as much screwed up here. The only difference is we are traditionally a little more Worldly wise (having wanted to conquer the world in the past, not our greatest hour but pretty damn impressive considering our size as a nation) Oh and lest we forget, we turned the entire German army away from British shores a whole year before the US decided to even enter WW2! However….the weather…..is MUCH nicer here, SF city excluded! ;-)
As to TAX in Europe….............BULLCRAP!!!!!!!!!! you show me one European government that will allow tax dollars to go back to people! No, the truth is we get bent over a barrell and told to enjoy the tax grabbing shafting that we get and when it stops on Income Tax, they then go to town on you for cigarettes, Beer, Petrol… etc etc.
CAN YOU IMAGINE PAYING $12 A LITRE HERE???? Guess what…been paying that for a while now in the UK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So….in answer to your comment, I equally do not like drunken behaviour on the streets of any city, but for every British voice you hear…. there will be many many more American voices in just as bad if not worse shape!
Let get rid of them all!!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 26, 2008 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
excuse you
i have nothing against small chats (never was)
but if you want to clarify some things..
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/20683/
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/20680/
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/20592/
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/19988/
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/18527/
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/18334/
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/18003/
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/17693/
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/17547/
Pity the poor "American" who (and I have seen this so many times) decided it was cool to chat up this girl at a bar who was clearly with someone else and when he didnt take NO for an answer, found the 6’4" of angry boyfriend Brit next to her grabbing him by the ears, giving him a "Glaswegian kiss" (Translation – Headbutt)
LOL i’ve seen a stories even worse -how bunch (not one but 7) of drunk ‘Brits who didnt take NO for an answer’ came across two 6’4 Latvians
believe me -when we talk about Brits and Eastern Europe then usually behavior and attitude i can describe as racism
Oh and lest we forget, we turned the entire German army away from British shores a whole year before the US decided to even enter WW2!
LOL about ‘entire German army’ -entire German army was on East fighting against Russian cannon fodder
As to TAX in Europe……..........BULLCRAP!!!!!!!!!! you show me one European government that will allow tax dollars to go back to people!
Sweden Finland
CAN YOU IMAGINE PAYING $12 A LITRE HERE?? Guess what…been paying that for a while now in the UK!!!!!!!!!!!!
reallly ? 6pounds per liter -that’s WOW -in Latvia liter cost a bit less then pound
actually my post was -that i saw a lot of vids about dumb americans but never saw any in my life -because likely dumb americans don’t like to travel a lot
while (thanx to RYANAIR and other cheap flight companies) i can say half of Europe now is familiar with stone age villagers AKA Brit Barbarians
Yeah
Let get rid of them all!!
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by Lat We N Trash on Jul 26, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To clarify
I have been to Lithuania many times, part of my job! Unfortunately I see Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia (personally know Marko Martin quite well, great driver and it was a very sad day when we lost “Beef” Park) as falling into the same trap as Prague and some other places, like Amsterdam in the Early days. That is namely that the women are damn good looking and the beer is very cheap. Unfortunately this attracts the worst crowd. I personally would like to get rid of all of them as I previously posted, however YOU, are generalising and refering to “Brits” per say and that is what I take offence to.
Also your data with regard to when the Eastern front opened is inaccurate. The German army was set to invade the UK, but the Royal Air Force won the Battle of Britain, which meant we had control of the skies and therefore the invasion force would have been destroyed mid-crossing. THAT is when Hitler decided to focus his forces on the Eastern Front instead.
Also your tax data is inaccurate, I know this as my parents have just moved to Sweden to retire. Their taxation system is considerably higher than most of Europe yet they do give back to the community through greater investment. My point was the fact that Governments in Europe do not give back Tax income directly, to anyone, let alone sports athletes.
The fact remains…..we ALL have sections of our communities that do their own thing, disrespect others and in all fairness do no good for the community at large. It does not matter if they are Brits, Latvians, Americans, Black, White, Asian, Muslim ….. etc. It simply does not help matters when small minded people, TAR others with the same brush and generalise that everyone of their race is the same.
Do you undertand the point I am making?
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 27, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK man :)
forget about it
-i was generalizing too much
-my written english is not good enough to explain all those pretty complicated things (what we started to talk about) from my point of view -forexample this ‘entire german army thing’
-and i seriously doubt that is any necessity to continue this discussion -the main reason why we are here is Warriors basketball :)
any way -if you’ll decide some day come to Riga -be my guest -good people are always welcome -you can be sure that i will have nothing against your accent
peace
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by Lat We N Trash on Jul 27, 2008 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice! It's on my to do list of places to visit!
Go Warriors!
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 27, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
& Thanks! :-)
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 27, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't they dip their French Fries in Mayonaise?
by Tony.psd on Jul 25, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they do
believe me
-i do know LOL
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by Lat We N Trash on Jul 25, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird for most of us Americans, but I'd take it
Looks appetizing…sure beats plain old ketchup.
Personally I’d prefer ranch or nacho cheese for a dip.
by J-Triumf on Jul 25, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try mixing it together(ketchup + mayonaise)
THE BEST!
by buky on Jul 25, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I’d just ditch the ketchup all together as I always do. ;) I was never really fond of the stuff.
by J-Triumf on Jul 25, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is, if in USA they give him 10 mil, he gets 5 mil (50% goes as taxes).
Top is 35%, unless you have a really bad accountant?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 25, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
asdf
whateva…im buying the And1 Monta Ellis sneakers when it comes out. it’ll give me the extra ummph and speed im lacking.
by golden touch on Jul 25, 2008 4:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good thinking
The Kobe’s i bought really improved my “jumping-over-moving-sports-cars” ability.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Jul 25, 2008 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well
I bought these Marbury’s and now I am waking up every day naked with goat blood on my lips.
by belilaugh on Jul 25, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well
I’m wearing AirJordans with the bottoms worn thru cause I’m on social security.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 25, 2008 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s a shame that ball had serious problems with its texture and material; looks-wise, the design was pretty cool.
by J-Triumf on Jul 25, 2008 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I'll be that guy
While all of you are dancing in the streets with elation, let me ruin the fun a bit. I like Monta a lot, think he was/is/will be a huge part of the W’s core, and have really enjoyed watching him grow. That said, if anyone uses the term ”$11M/yr” and “reasonable” in the same sentence, then please send me what you are smoking. IMO, this move is just another Mully overpay. Let me be very clear: 1) Ellis should have been signed over a year ago to a cheaper deal (maybe 6 years, $45M); and 2) It is my belief that Biedrins should be paid more than Ellis, as I think his general value as a legit 7’ center is higher than a 6’3” combo guard who doesn’t play much D; yet the W’s, who favor anything “small” and who love overvaluing offensive numbers, time and again overpay their guards and then wonder why they have no interior defense.
After agreeing to an $11M/yr deal w/ Ellis, anything less than $10M/yr to Biedrins is absurd.
With all that said, I’m excited to have Monta for the prime of his career, but this is just other example of Warrior management not prioritizing properly, not thinking pro-actively, and of course, frequently bidding against themselves
Ok, go back to dancing.
by UncleCliffy on Jul 25, 2008 4:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Biedrins should be paid more than Ellis"
oh ha ha he he oh oh ha ha -joker laugh on you! Biedrins is worth around 6-8mill. Monta deserves it and i bielieve we got him for a good price
brb, going to ORACLE
by warrior510 on Jul 25, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's simple
give him the money or he’ll walk!
What would you prefer?
by buky on Jul 25, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you recall the extension negotiations last fall?
they were pretty brief, and Mullin knew he had another “cheap” year with BOTH these guys in store, so he saved coin then. For myself, I don’t recall ever reading that Ellis would have agreed to or was offered and declined 6y/$45m. My recollection was that AB’s agent was calling for a Kaman-sized deal then (which I believe is 5/50m), so what was to be gained by agreeing to it a year early? Nothing.
As a certifiable & consistent Mullin critic, even I wouldn’t blame him for not inking Monta to a contract he never offered to sign (via agent), or if he was offered by Mullin he’d already turned down. Same for Andris.
You’re right – there’s some degree of elation which is understandable for the cute little scorer, particularly after the loss of our stud. But that is a different matter than what “could” have been settled last fall. Most on GSoM were hailing Mullin’s newfound contractual discipline at that point.
by hardcore on Jul 25, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a good thing that they didn’t get extensions a year ago. Had that happened and Baron left, we’d have had no recourse in free agency save the MLE. Yeah, it probably cost quite a bit more for Monta as a result, but…
by jae on Jul 25, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
IIRC Monta was not actually eligible for a contract extension last year. I don’t remember the specifics, but I do remember someone (you or OZ probably) explaining why. Is this sounding familiar or am I just confused?
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jul 25, 2008 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I believe that’s correct. He couldn’t have been extended. Contracts for less than four years cannot be extended.
by jae on Jul 25, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying....
that there was no way for the Warriors to avoid restricted free agency with Monta?
Wasn’t his original contract a 2 year non-guaranteed deal ( with a team option as I believe he signed a very similar deal to Chris Taft )? Why can the Warriors not extend him prior to now?
by UncleCliffy on Jul 26, 2008 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The CBA says that contracts must be 4 years or longer to qualify for extensions. His original deal was not for 4 years.
by jae on Jul 26, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
monta ellis 6 years 66 million = 666??
JUST KIDDING!
what took so long with this signing?
by warriors1 on Jul 25, 2008 9:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
666 to the rim

I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Jul 25, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta might get big headed?
Just putting this out there guys, I read this on Tim Kawakami’s blog:
* But there are some concerns about Ellis’ attitude–he is awfully confident, which is good; will that verge towards arrogance and selfishness once he has the big money?Will he start to believe he’s entitled to Baron Davis Treatment, which the Warriors don’t want ANYBODY to get any more, now that he is making BD money?I think those are fair questions to ask. I think we give Ellis the benefit of the doubt for now, but he has $67M in his future, and we do not know if he is ready to accept the responsibilities that come with that. That’s why Mullin wants to surround Ellis with workmanlike players. I don’t know if Corey Maggette is the quintessential workman, but that’s what Mullin is hoping–a gym rat and a physical specimen to give Ellis an archetype to follow.Do you guys believe there is any credence to this? I have never seen any proof in the past concerning Monta that would make me even consider this before. Yet, after seeing him with the butt-load of new tattoos and signing the big contract, I’m not too sure anymore. He always seemed like a humble and stand-up dude. Does anybody have any insights on Monta besides the stuff we read on the net?
by turbulence24 on Jul 25, 2008 10:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So he has a tattoo that says Family and now he is big headed? Give the kid the benefit of the doubt. All of us fans outside the organization have no idea what is going on , so we can’t look through Kawakami’s glasses and get an accurate picture on what’s happening. Who knows, maybe he has an axe to grind or something. And besides, there is nothing wrong with being confident. When Marco Belinelli felt really confident, he was dropping 37 and looking down at the line when he caught the ball. When he wasn’t confident, well, you saw last season.
by belilaugh on Jul 25, 2008 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will he start to believe he’s entitled to Baron Davis Treatment,
What is “Baron Davis treatment” ?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 25, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TREATED LIKE A KING
then get screwed in the end
by ADOBO on Jul 26, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then get screwed in the end
Which end?
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Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 26, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a gym rat and a physical specimen to give Ellis an archetype to follow ...
... sounds like a writer with a column to fill more than analysis of an interview or event to me
by hardcore on Jul 26, 2008 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's some truth to this
I remember reading a scouting report on Monta after we drafted him. The scout that did the write-up devoted a whole paragraph in the “weaknesses” section to how cocky Monta was, and ended it with “If he’s this arrogant now, what’s he gonna be like in 5 years?” He also mentioned that he would pout when he didn’t get the ball in the high school all-star game. This stuff combined with his injury is probably why we were able to get him in the second round.
Now that was in the past, and ever since we drafted him he has shown nothing of what this scout is talking about from what I can remember. I think as long as we have a good coach in Nellie and veterans to lead him he’ll be fine. Just sayin’ Kawakami isn’t totally coming out of left-field here.
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year
by gsw4life on Jul 26, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tattoos?
you can’t make a connection of being arrogant and selfish because he got a bunch of new tattoos
by hawk0924 on Jul 26, 2008 12:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you can’t make a connection of being arrogant and selfish because he got a bunch of new tattoos
No but you can make a case for judgment. If I’d gotten tatoos when I was 22 I’d be sporting some sad out of date artwork now.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 26, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely the reason I’ve never been inked. If the posters on my apartment wall circa age 22 are any indication, my taste was, uh, ‘questionable’ at the time.
There’s gonna be booming biz in laser tat removal here soon.
by jae on Jul 26, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skeptic! You are our role model!!
by smearthebeard on Jul 26, 2008 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You are our role model!!
It’s a crappy job but someone’s gotta do it.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 26, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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