Offseason and Senseless trades !!!
by nico26warriors on Jul 28, 2008 12:14 PM PDT
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Hi, I'm new to the community, I'm from france and would like to add my 2 cents in regards to the offseason and what this team truly needs..
First of all I' m happy Air France's on and off attitude is gone, even when he played in france his effort never matched up to his athletic ability. I'm not a big fan of the Turiaf signing, however what he brings ( effort, energy, weight) aren't necessarily negative things to have on your bench...
Don't boo Baron, he did what 90% of the people on this site would have done... He had injury problems and now has a true financial security playing in his hometown !!!
Come on, give him a break, he gave you one by ending the playoff drought !
And in any case, management needs to be accountable for their plans and decisions....baron didn't seem to be in their plan...
We overpaid a bit for Biedrins but you often do to have a decent big man..
I think we overpaid a bit for maggette, but if he thrives in this system, which i think he will, it won't be a bad move after all.
Looks like a good draft right now...
In any case what is done, is done and there's only one thing you can do is support your team, bitching ain't going to help..
Senseless trade rumors !!!!!
None of all these trades make any sense ...
Okafor, Wilcox, J Smith, R.Wallace...etc...
These are not difference makers !!!! they are 3rd of 2nd options at best.....and until Monta develops a bit more, our team is filled with 2nd and 3rd options...
Okafor undersized as a center and his offensive game is too limited...it's not because he was a second pick that he brings much more than biedrins or turiaf...plus he has already had some injuries...
Wilcox is barely a poor man's okafor with a few post moves...
Atlanta, would be stupid to trade Josh Smith especially to get a guy (harrington) they didn't want to resign a few years ago... He would be the only "intelligent move" (he's 22) but a trade has to make sense on both ends... plus, this is his hometown...
Rasheed Wallace is old and inconsistent and his acquisition would just be bad timing ( he would have made sense if Baron were still here ) and switch into a go for it all mode trading some youth for vets....
But now we are clearly in rebuilding mode so some people need to stop their denial...
Either trade harrington, jackson for expiring contracts (I would be a bit sad if SJack left), youth or picks...
Or just let their contracts expire as out young players grow...
I'm excited about Anthony Randolf....looks like he has tremendous upside and skills !!! (I know summer league is summer league but still...flashes of brilliance are something to look forward to.) Everybody compares him to many players, but he really has his own style...Somewhere between a Lamar Odom, T.Prince type of player but really his own..
I'm a bit worried about B Wright....lacks energy and has shown early signs of a potential bust .... hope this doesn't carry on...
Happy about Bukie, and signing A.Morrow, undrafted but always ready to hustle...(are you kidding me from beyond the arc!!!)
And really looking forward to seeing M.Ellis at the point and maybe comming into his own as the first of a new breed of PGs....Please stop the Iverson comparisons !!! Iverson can straight ball but Monta Freakin flys and expect him to go to the FT line a lot more !!!
GO Warriors, we're young and fast as hell, and shit I've been waiting for 13years, so another few ain't going to hurt !!!!!
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you're trying to say...
that if we got Okafor or Smith, they would not be difference makers? Okafor with his defensive presence with all those blocked shots and everybody knows Josh Smith’s potential!! I would love to have either of them!!
by Young Moolah on Jul 28, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
actually
nico26 said that smith didn’t make sense because we couldn’t offer atlanta any worthwhile pieces. i think smith would be great to have, but he’s not coming. as for okafor, yeah, the guy can play and the poster is wrong to assume that he wouldn’t be a difference maker, because he is particularly on the defensive end. biedrins would need to be involved in any trade to get him, and judging by the 6 year deal, management is committed to him. none of the ‘senseless trades’ suggested are both possible AND a good idea, that’s the point being made here.
by cap'n hack on Jul 28, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course these players would help us and make an impact, but what I meant is that they wouldn’t take us over the top ….to pay over 10 million a year (again) for a guy who can’t carry a team in crunch time is senseless given the amount of youth and potential we have at a much cheaper price….I would love to see J smooth because he still has a lot of upside and perfectly fits our system but it just doesn’t seem possible to acquire him…..
So maybe a little patience is wiser, because losing assets and making a move just to make a move and still not be a contender doesn’t seem very fruitful …
Give A Randolf some playing time , the kid’s got something about him !!!!
beware of the 8
by nico26warriors on Jul 28, 2008 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Please stop the Iverson comparisons !!! Iverson can straight ball but Monta Freakin flys and expect him to go to the FT line a lot more !!!"
Sorry, but you aren’t gonna expect Monta to get to the FT line “a lot more” than Iverson. Iverson has gotten to the line more than anyone in the last decade (other than Shaq). Monta wil get to the line a lot, but to say he will get ther a lot more than Iverson is ridiculous.
Monta has tons of potential and I am stoked that we signed him long term, but he is no Iverson. IMO Monta will never have the heart, charisma, or passion that Iverson has. Monta is like Iverson if he got his personality removed.
I think Monta can be our leading scorer and that he will be an all star for years to come, but I dont think hes gonna be THE guy. I think that the guy on our team who can really be the difference maker is Anthony Randoph. In summer league he showed personality, he showed passion (gettin tossed from the game), and he showed flashes of brilliance. IMO, Randy is the guy that needs to become our superstar and our difference maker for us to be a contender.
A big guy like okafor or josh smith is exactly what we need. We don’t need to acquire a superstar, but rather someone who can play 4 or 5 and rebound, block shots and take up space in the post. Bwright is just flat out too skinny. We can’t afford to have our 3,4, AND 5s of the future be this skinny. It just can’t work. I do like Bwright, but I think he is the weakest link of the three(AR, BW, and AB).
Everybody knows that we need a big body and nearly everyone agrees that eitehr of these two guys would be a great fit for us, but they say this could never happen. But in the words of KG, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLEEE.
Whether we trade straight up w/ ATL or CHA or in a 3 team deal, there has to be a way we can trade AL, BW, and a 1st rounder for either Okafor or Smith.
by scwarrior24 on Jul 28, 2008 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Monta has tons of potential and I am stoked that we signed him long term, but he is no Iverson.
This is true. Monta is no Iverson. Iverson has never found a way to hit more than half his shots from the floor.
by jae on Jul 28, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether we trade straight up w/ ATL or CHA or in a 3 team deal, there has to be a way we can trade AL, BW, and a 1st rounder for either Okafor or Smith.
No, there doesn’t. There does not have to be some magic property whereby one of those guys wants to come here for a salary that we’re willing to pay (but presumably their own team isn’t) or a salary that he’d take to come here but wouldn’t sign with his own team for that somehow is just that right size such that the BYC value of the new contract allows their team to fit in the players we send out while allowing us to send enough players out to make room for the new contract.
Really, there does not have to be such a way and there probably isn’t a way.
by jae on Jul 28, 2008 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nico, I disagree. We are an overall
much depper team than last year and the lose of Baron does not mean we are rebuilding. We need a new point guard but the rest of our team is actaully much deeper and better then it has been for many years. I actually epect us to be a 7th seed and an imprive team this year. call me mypopic like a Raider fan if you like, but many parts of this team are greatly improved.
by smearthebeard on Jul 28, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually epect us to be a 7th seed
I can see that happening but not cause we are better, some other playoff teams look worse than last year.
Till I get free
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Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 28, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what would it take for us to get J Smoove?
by hyphy cowboy on Jul 28, 2008 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There are other posts for discussing that
And to answer your question, “More than we want to give up”.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 28, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let the Smith fantasies die the silent death they deserve
I don’t think that ATL’s potential price tag is even the biggest hurdle. They can’t trade him outright without his approval and the sort of salary he wants will really, really make matching figures difficult. It would take a) Smith wanting to come here (which would me a ton of money) b) ATL wanting to try to get something back for him rather than try to make things work with him, c) some VERY creative dealings with other players involved (and likely other teams involved) to make the rather difficult cap ramifications work.
by jae on Jul 28, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So youre tellin me there is a chance
by scwarrior24 on Jul 28, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all
I’m tired of all this “there has already been a post about this” or “there is a post for discussing that.” I understand that multiple posts about the same thing are unnecesary, but honestly let cool our jets about this. We are here to talke GSWHoops so if a discussion starts off about one thing and leads into something else, SO WHAT! If someone makes a redundant post, the admins will delete it, end of story.
by scwarrior24 on Jul 28, 2008 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There's already a diary discussing this.
;-)
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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 28, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second
more than who wants to give up? If we could make this deal happen for AL + Bwright + a 1st round pick (we keep belli) then I know i’m in. What do you guys think?
by scwarrior24 on Jul 28, 2008 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What do you guys think?
I think it’s time for lunch.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 28, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you haven’t read any of the many posts that have mentioned this before, nor the posts that have explained why such a deal is next to impossible.
by jae on Jul 28, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay then what trade would make sense?
jae, play GM for us here. Let’s say the Warriors are looking to trade Harrington and possibly Wright and Belinelli. Who do you think they can realistically get in exchange for those guys and maybe a draft pick or two?
The Warriors biggest problem is at the PF position. They need someone that can defend and rebound and hopefully can be a low post presence.
by NBA on Jul 28, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need someone that can defend and rebound and hopefully can be a low post presence.
And because there’s a shorter supply of tall people, this problem seems to crop up around the league. I don’t think that Belinelli has any real value. Wright may, but I suspect it’s the same value he’d have to us. So then there’s Harrington, the enigmatic (low)Power Foward. His value is probably to a team that (much like many Warrior fans once were) is under the (false) impression that they’re getting a post player because they see an athletic, muscular 6-9 player, look at the points scored and think “well if he was here playing alongside we’d see what he could really do!” So it’s selling him to a team that doesn’t really have a post player of value to send out. In such a case, I’d look for point guard help instead and shift Monta back to off guard like I suspect Nellie really wants to do.
So who has interest in Harrington? Dunno. That’s the sort of thing that I think Pree would have more insight into. I have no insight into players that are on the market right now and since I don’t really think much of him as a player, I’ve got some blinders as to why any team might see him as more valuable asset than the realistic cap-matching guys they’d send back.
by jae on Jul 28, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expiring contract?
Doesn’t Harrington’s contract which expires in the summer of 2010 have some added value? Maybe the Warriors should just keep him and Stephen Jackson till they play out their contracts so that they have the cap room to sign a big time player for a max contract. I don’t see their games improving over the next couple of years the way I envision Monta and Andris improving.
by NBA on Jul 28, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe we keep Al til the trade deadline
considering that w/ baron gone, more shots are available. We could give al more minutes and pad his stats a little bit and then see what we can get for him at the deadline.
by scwarrior24 on Jul 28, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It expires year after next, yes. So this means that a team with a contract that goes on longer than that may want him, but this means we’ve got to take on a contract of similar magnitude that lasts longer than that, making such a deal unattractive to the Warriors.
by jae on Jul 28, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s looking more and more like Al is here to stay which isn’t really a bad thing. I kinda like what he can do for the team as long as he gets the minutes and plays consistent basketball.
by NBA on Jul 28, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless
that contract of similar magnitude that lasts longer has a better player attached to it. which is possible as teams make an effort to grab as many contracts that expire in 2010 as they can.
by cap'n hack on Jul 28, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gerald Wallace?
Just a thought. I’m not saying its a good thought though. :)
by NBA on Jul 28, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jae very well said
your comments on al’s trade value. i think the fact that al hasnt been traded should at least get people to start questioning his lack of trade value. instead of the ever popular response i went to the espn trade machine and we can trade al, bellie and a protected 1st round pick for LBJ
by Rach on Jul 28, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who, unfortunately, has been dead since 1973. :-(
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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 28, 2008 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LBJ is dead?
what are the cavs gonna do? i think they would definitely take al in a trade now. we could go after d marshall
by Rach on Jul 29, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dint know
Lebron knew King?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 29, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta has tons of potential, but he is no Iverson
nobody is Iverson !
...just said that they are two entirely different players, monta will get to the line more this year than last year and is a prototypical fastbreak player whereas A.I is more of a ballhawk …
A lot of people would like to see smith or okafor here but I still don’t get how they can make us contend rather than pretend…...??? please don’t insinuate that they will have a KG effect on the team !!!! that’s foolish optimism…..
Smith would be a great move but far from enough …
beware of the 8
by nico26warriors on Jul 28, 2008 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To contend now, definitely not enough
But smith is 22, and so is Ellis, belinelli, marcus williams and Biedrins. Randolph is 19 and buike is 25. I think if we got josh smith our team woudl develop into a contender or at the very least we’d been in the playoffs for years to come
by scwarrior24 on Jul 28, 2008 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
but we can say that without getting Josh Smith, right?? I feel like all of our young players can evolve into something really good, especially if they grow up together and create some good chemistry.
by Young Moolah on Jul 28, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i feel ya
and i dont wanna give up bw or belli, because i want to see what they can evolve into, but at the same time, like i said before I think that our future 3,4, 5 of skinny, skinny, and skinny is a problem
by scwarrior24 on Jul 28, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do Not Try And Compare Monta To AI
Monta Is No Where Near AI League Nor Will He Ever Get That Close!
AI Is A Leader. He Is A Winner, Seriously, Monta Could Never And Will Never Be On His Level. While Monta Was Chillin On The Bench His First Year AI Got Rookie Of The Year.. Can’t Say The Same About Monta. AI Passes Better But He Didn’t Really Have Anybody On His Squad. Who Led His Team To The Finals By HImself? And Why Did He Get The MVP? Because Nobody Could Tell Me The Starting Five From The Sixers Against The Lakers Without Googling It. Nobody Is More Fearless Than AI And Those Times When He Goes 5-19 And Ends Up With 30 Points Is Because He Goes 17-21 From The Line. Monta Is Soft When Going To The Hole Unless Its A Fast Break Because He Isn’t Nearly As Eager When It’s A Half Court Game. I’d Say Monta Is More Of A Kevin Martin (Except His (Monta) 3Pt % Is Worse) Than An AI. Please Stop The Comparisons From A Top 50 All Time Player To Somebody Who Can’t Be Considered A Franchise Player Yet (Thats Why They Paid Beans The Same Amount). I Love The Warriors And AI Is My Favorite Player Ever But If Monta Could Become More Like Wade Than We’d Be In Good Shape In The Future.
"Get Er Dun!"
by YayArea510 on Jul 28, 2008 7:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Capital letter clearance sale, enough to capitalize the first letter of every word in your sentence.
Use them!
Amaze your friends!
Make your posts less and less easy to read and more and more likely to be ignored or referenced only in ridicule!
by jae on Jul 28, 2008 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody
is a 76ers fan. By the way, the first rule of grammar that everyone learns is: Only capitalize the first letter of the sentence, proper nouns, and the beginning of a quoted sentence.”
by boomdizzleness on Jul 28, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody is a 76ers fan.
I’m not a 76er fan but Iverson is one of my all time favorites too. If Montay ever develops an Iverson cool and personality I’ll be surprised.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 28, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is a proper noun?
examples please.
by Rach on Jul 28, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proper nouns
are nouns that are the name of a specific person, place, or thing. For example: human would not be capitalized, but Rachel would. Another example is: basketball team wouldn’t be capitalized, Golden State warriors would. Do you understand?
by boomdizzleness on Jul 29, 2008 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats Just How I Write... Didnt Know That Writing It Caps Makes A Diff If One Can Read Or Not, Sounds Like Laziness To Me
"Get Er Dun!"
by YayArea510 on Jul 28, 2008 7:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It looks painful.
Do you have some special function that automatically capitalizes every word, or do you have to hold down shift key every time?
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 28, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes got
6 fingers on his left hand
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Jul 29, 2008 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naw,
Shift Key…. I’ve Done It Since I Got My Laptop A Few Years Ago
"Get Er Dun!"
by YayArea510 on Jul 28, 2008 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The reason that the English language...
only capitalizes the beginning of sentences and proper nouns is because it makes things easier to read. Your posts just look like a giant clusterfcuk of nonsense. Do yourself a favor.
by kinetic on Jul 28, 2008 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just to clarify...
I’m not trying to be a dick…REALLY, I’m not. It’s just so difficult to read that I (and I’m sure everyone else on here) just skip over your posts.
by kinetic on Jul 28, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, as a bit of advice
It’s rather unprofessional. Do you do this everywhere or just when you’re submitting posts to GSOM? If you’re capitalizing every word you write at your job, you won’t be there long, and you certainly won’t get promoted. It’s hard to read, and it takes way more effort than just typing all in lower case. Please, please stop. Then I might actually read one of your posts and be enlightened by your knowledge of the Warriors.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 29, 2008 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAAAAAAAAAAMN!
Class in now in session!
by Tony.psd on Jul 29, 2008 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never read anything that he post
it’s just to hard to read
by Rach on Jul 29, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Class in now in session!
When I signed up They never said there would be class?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 29, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just tryina help a brotha out
I hope that didn’t come off too harsh… ‘twas meant to be educational, rather than truly insulting.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 29, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hard to read part is the killer for me. I don’t even try.
Most people read by looking at the overall shape of a word first, scanning rapidly. In this way, after learning to read, many people treat words like they were Chinese characters and do regularly break down every word into the series of letters. Has anyone ever seen this:
http://www.eyetricks.com/wordjumble.htm
There are clues in the shape and the first and last letters are important, and importantly, there’s cues from what we expect something to be, from context, from how we know sentences should fit together. I know that hassling people over grammar and such seems petty, but deviating too much really does obscure the thoughts behind it. Staying close to some common rules, arbitrary as they may be, helps to convey meaning. (It also means you can purposely add meaning by purposely deviating from those ‘rules’, so you’ve got more tools at your disposal than if you’re always slopping it out there any old which-way.) Capitalizing every letter makes this more difficult in scanning because we’re constantly resetting our brains, not clearly picking up on where a phrase thought begins or ends. It breaks a rule, a well established, rule that almost all of us have deeply ingrained in our brains and our subconscious reaction is to tune it out, to believe that there’s no signal in the noise.
by jae on Jul 29, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty f-ing cool link
So much easier to read than YayArea’s posts. And for most, the “reaction to tune it out” is both conscious and subconscious.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 29, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O Wow, Ok. For The Sake Of GSOM
I’ll make it EASIER and only capitalize the first letter. First time I ever was criticized about it… But whatever, Go Dubs
"Get Er Dun!"
by YayArea510 on Jul 28, 2008 8:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
“Everybody compares him to many players, but he really has his own style…Somewhere between a Lamar Odom, T.Prince type of player but really his own..”
lol yes that is who they compare him to.
and yes u are right that atl won’t want to give up Josh Smith but it certainly would make sense for us seeing how run and gun is what he was made for and he IS a difference maker.
and dude.. do you know how much iverson went to the line? he was always one of the best in the league at getting to the line.
by Agent Zero on Jul 28, 2008 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and dude.. do you know how much iverson went to the line?
Yeah he’s one of the best at getting to the line….I just said Monta will be getting a lot more to the line this year since he will be handling the ball a lot more….looks like he can become a very good FT shooter, he already has a steady and almost consistent stroke…
Josh Smith is the one trade possibility that makes perfect sense….but the least likely to happen..
beware of the 8
by nico26warriors on Jul 28, 2008 10:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
bitching doesnt help
and being a homer does not either. It only gives management the guts to continue to drive this franchise to the ground. Hey lets give Turiaf 4 million! But arent we overpaying for him? Who cares! they’ll continue to pack oracle anyway! BTW, how bout extending Perovic’ contract?
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Jul 29, 2008 1:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But arent we overpaying for him? Who cares! they’ll continue to pack oracle anyway!
The fans probably think Rony is great cause he had a career game against the Dubs! But everyone one does and we can’t sign them all. Rony is probably worth his pay as much as any of the other are, they are all over paid for playing a game instead of working for a living.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 29, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come On People
I know the difference between writing online and at work. I am a grown man but that is how I prefer to write and its sad that people find it hard to read when its not really hard. If elderly people can read it without a problem and I dont see why people in their 30-40’s cant read! But o well.
"Get Er Dun!"
by YayArea510 on Jul 29, 2008 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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