Let's squash this JRich talk.
by dso on Jul 31, 2008 2:52 AM PDT
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Plain and simple.
For whatever reason, JRich was the odd man out. Management made the decision. If you want to hate on management, then stop reading here. You are justified in your argument, especially with the sad history of our organization. Proceed to enlighten us with your denouncing of management in the posts below.
So JRich was going to get traded. But should Mully have traded him last season, especially if the intent was to make the playoffs? Simple answer: no. He shouldnt have traded him so early. YOu can throw stats and arguments all around as much as you want, and if you feel you have such an argument then you can stop reading here too. But in my opinion, "addition through subtraction" arguments are retarded. Why? You lose Iverson, Iguodala starts scoring bunches. Does that make the Sixers a better team? No! Only with the addition of Miller do the Sixers see some improvement.. but within the context of last year, we got nothing from Wright and lost JRich. So it doesnt matter if Ellis's numbers went up due to more playing time. His increased production does not a better team make. And one thing JRich would have provided was depth. HE could have backed up the 4 in Nellieball. That's a lot of positions covered by a single player we lost, and even though KAZ covered some of it, having KAZ and JRich would have been better than KAZ and Wright. simple.
But if you accept the fact that management wanted to trade JRich, then it becomes a question of when. If they wanted to make the playoffs last season, maybe trading him so soon was a mistake. They could have waited for the trade deadline. They could have... other things. But we do know this. If the Warriors waited too long, they would have been stuck in the position of the nuggets, giving away a valuable player for a second round pick. So in that aspect, Mullin played it safe. He offered him for trade during a time that caught other GMs by surprise, netting us a pretty high pick and hopefully solid player.
This is what it boils down to people: when. JRich was going to go, sad as though it may be. Trading him that early hurt our team's ability to make the playoffs. We could have used him this year. but waiting too long would have got us nothing.
it's much akin to Billy Beane trading away star pitchers two years before their contract expires. of course, we're not as bad as Beane.
once again, that's all this is about. when.all of you arguing that our greater win total was due to addition through subtraction... you're wrong. All those who refuse to acknowledge the many ways he could have helped us this year... you're wrong. but even those who are in the right, you also have to be prepared to give a when. When was JRich going to go? and for what?
that's all. JRich, we love you, we miss you, and we could have used you last year.
LETS GO WARRIORS
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Yeah,seriously.
I miss J-Rich just as much as the next guy, but the fact is that he’s gone. Let all the talk cease that we should have kept him. We needed to get rid of a hefty contract, and unfortunately he happened to be the one. We’re not gms. All we can do is cheer and show support for our team.
by Golden Boy on Jul 31, 2008 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
You’re right. It doesn’t matter that Monta got more minutes. It does matter, though, that WE GET TO KEEP HIM. We get to keep Biedrins too. Keeping J-Rich around with his bloated contract would kill the Warriors’ ability to resign key players and sign good free agents.
True, losing J-Rich made the Warriors a worse team last year, but keeping J-Rich would make them a worse team from here on out for years.
You’re right about waiting too long leading to getting nothing from a trade. But not only will the team have gotten nothing from the trade, they would have been ill-equipped for the playoffs regardless of how many wins they got before the deadline. So, you’re wrong when you say that trading him later would’ve helped our team in terms of how successful they are in the season. What does it matter when a key player of a team that helped the team to the playoffs disappears well before the playoffs start? (see Houston)
Say what you want about J-Rich being able to help the team to the playoffs – he wouldn’t have gotten the Dubs past the first round. And his presence would’ve screwed over the Warriors for years to come. And I don’t know why you said “let’s squash this talk” when you decided to type a huge argument in favor of J-Rich. I thought this post was going to be about how we should move on or something.
by biggiep on Jul 31, 2008 11:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if
monta becomes a superstar like we all hope, then the J-Rich trade will be looked upon as totally worth it to get him playing time
by dancingchiapet on Jul 31, 2008 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
right
with the team we got right now, we need to be go deep in the playoff for monta to be a superstar. And I don’t really see that happening for he next 3-4 yrs.
by warriorfan4life on Jul 31, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
peace
j-rich woulda played with the team his whole career. thats the kind of guy you want with the youngsters and thats the guy you want as your veteran.
was it a bad trade? it’s not even a question. of course it was horrible from any standpoint you take when talking basketball, long term short term present term.
the problem with business is people forget their morals when doing business.
by azntigar78 on Jul 31, 2008 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And yet
Despite the fact that “it’s not even a question,” Fantasy Junkie posed the question.
And, so far, roughly 50% of GSoMers would gladly make that “horrible from any standpoint” trade again.
I guess they’re just not as smart or morally upstanding as you. Give yourself a gold star and a new halo.
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 31, 2008 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
peace
the halo we were all born with is good enough….it’s a shame that society makes us believe we never had one to begin with.
by azntigar78 on Aug 1, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i should rephrase that
it’s a shame that society tries to make us believe we never had one to begin with.
by azntigar78 on Aug 1, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is getting kind of ridiculous
I’ve been reading all this J-Rich stuff, and it’s funny to me how those that think it was a bad trade say the other side sees things with too much simplicity. The truth is, I think they are making this too simple. They see that J-Rich is a better player RIGHT NOW and claim that mkaes it a bad trade. It’s been one year. WHat if we had evaluated Jamison or Arenas or Eliis or, for that matter, J-Rich, after just one year. Give me a break.
Also, you can say what you want, but it had to be done. Someone was going to be the odd man out, and the Warriors were loaded with guards. They could have traded Baron (yeah right) or Jackson (also not going to happen), but everyone else on the roster made too little and wasn’t worth trading. The only logical case you could make would be to trade Harrington, but again, are you then going to just not have any big men?
I knew J-Rich was going to be the odd man out before they even traded him, and to get a guy who was considered the third best player in the draft for him was pretty good. Yes, they could have dealt someone else, but then you’d all be complaining about how horrible of a trade that was. Just wait a couple years before you bash the trade. Give Wright a chance.
by ERock386 on Aug 1, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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