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Steinmetz: More JRich Trade Talk

Because Matt Steinmetz's article and Atma's posting of it got so much attention, I figure I'd post Steinmetz's response to some of the common reasons people cite for it being a good trade.

Because Jason deserves it, more talk about the Warriors trading Richardson

I received tons of feedback regarding my post about how trading Jason Richardson was a mistake. They seem to be running about 60-40 against. More important is that it’s still obvious that J-Rich is missed and respected around here.

I’d like to respond to a few of the criticisms and complaints. And by the way,  the comments were excellent. Just real good stuff.

 

And because I'm curious, please vote in the poll below. I'd like to get a sense of what the community thinks of the trade 1 year later.

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One year later, was the JRich trade a good trade?
Yes: I'd make the trade again
1436 votes
No: We should have never made that trade
1588 votes

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I voted Yes, mainly because it’s done already and I am used to the new squad. Maybe it’s also because I am a Tar Heel fan? But J-Rich was the heart and the soul of the squad before we hit the playoffs, and no doubt he remains one of my favorite warriors. So many fond memories, just like 2 years ago when he blocked Devin Harris and smiled as he got up while watching Devin cry like a baby.

by ejdacanay on Jul 31, 2008 3:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is such a tough poll

i wouldnt make the trade because i think we would have had a better chance of making the playoffs last year.

i would make the trade because someone eventually had to go and the longer we waited the less we would have gotten.

I really wanted to make the playoffs last year.

but see, even if i want to vote “no”, the word “never” dictates that i would never in the future have wanted to trade JRich either. This is not true for me.

JRich’s trading may have impacted baron leaving as well… but I’m glad baron left, sooner rather than later. baron’s a great fixer, but his act gets old quick. he’s not having fun unless he’s drawing attention as the new guy, and everyone around him suffers the longer he stays in one spot.

OK. since the topic asks within the time frame of one year, i’ll vote no.

by dso on Jul 31, 2008 3:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your right. The trade wasn’t made with the next year in mind. It was made with the next 4-5 years in mind. Tough to judge it now. We saw what the flexibility has gotten us (Monta, Biedrins, Maggette, Ronny, Kelenna etc) but we won’t know for a couple years if this pans out and was a good trade.

by Nellieball on Jul 31, 2008 3:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHAT?!

how can you people think this was a good trade????

by Foulacy on Jul 31, 2008 3:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you have to vote YES

context people. context. it was a move to position ourselves for kg. yes, i am a broken record. but it is the truth. the fact that we got bwright and cash considerations was nice, but the point wasn’t to

a) get rid of jrich’s contract
b) acquire brandon wright

That’s why so many people’s arguments here on the subject are flawed- we are not looking at it from the right angle. if you want to argue that the team is worse off w/o jrich, have at it. but it has nothing to do with The Trade itself. It was, and always will be, the right trade to have made.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Jul 31, 2008 3:45 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d definitely make it again. There’s a good chance we would’ve made the playoffs with J-Rich this year, and it was certainly disappointing that we missed them. But as I see it, there’s no way we would’ve made the second round… we most likely would’ve nabbed the eighth and gotten swept by the Lakers, much as the Nuggets did. I would’ve preferred that, but let’s not pretend that we would’ve all been exhilarated by such an outcome.

That team’s ceiling was low… any team with a good inside player had our number. That’s still true, but we now have a younger, cheaper, more flexible roster… we have a much greater chance of trading for an elite big man than we did a year ago. The team also looks pretty decent, to boot. I’ll take that over a capped-out, aging team that wasn’t ever going to reach the conference finals, no matter how sweet the memories are.

by onlxn on Jul 31, 2008 3:47 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a big reason many disagree was ignored

One reason many weren’t ready to agree with Matt was because the jury is still out on Wright. Matt’s refusal to acknowledge that Wright may be a very good player down the road makes his argument very one sided. I wright doesn’t get much better than he has shown – I agree with Matt – but it is too soon to say!
Wright, if you or any of your peoples are reading this – PLEASE PROVE MATT WRONG!

Warrior fan for life - where we are "always just a big man away" from total domination

by buttafingas on Jul 31, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably saying this on the wrong post but the same can be said about Marco. Neither had significant playing time and when they did they produced.

I’m extremely annoyed at how people are calling Marco a bust before he’s had a chance.

This argument is filled with too many unknowns. We still don’t know how Wright’s going to pan out and we don’t know the outcome between the Warriors & Baron if J-Rich had stayed, a situation which shapes the salary situation.

by gunwing54 on Jul 31, 2008 5:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO

Getting rid of J-rich’s contract was good but we could have traded him for more potential than brandan wright

probably could use him to get josh smith if we had him

by dancingchiapet on Jul 31, 2008 4:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why do you think we could have traded him for more than the Brandan Wright pick?

Based on what FAs are getting now, Richardson is “overpaid” relative to the wins he does (or more to the point, doesn’t) bring. He’s not a bad player. He’s a good, helpful player, but with limited resources he’s a bit of a liability making 12.2+million (11.1 at the time IIRC). Not too many teams really want to pay that for him, I’d imagine. He has value, but not to everyone and the contract limits the bidders. Charlotte was in a unique situation at that time. They had cap room to spare so they could take on his salary. The window was open then but it wasn’t going to remain open. They were the lone bidder, and as such, the compensatory price was what it was.

Just saying “we could traded him for more potential” is a vacuous statement supported by absolutely nothing other than that you said it. It doesn’t really seem to fit well with the reality of the cap, of the resources available or of other similarly productive player’s trade value. If you disagree, feel free to cite some reasons, but just saying it’s so carries zero weight.

Speculating that he’d be useful to get Josh Smith seems extreme. Why exactly would ATL want to have him at that salary when they don’t want to offer that much to Smith?

by jae on Jul 31, 2008 4:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

+1

A player of J-Rich’s ability and contract size is not easy to move. To be blunt about it, most teams wouldn’t regard that package - a good-but-not-great SG with a big contract - as desirable in a vacuum, let alone worth trading good players for. If anything, it’s surprising that we were able to get as much as we did for the guy.

by onlxn on Jul 31, 2008 4:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also who knows if there was any truth to the story.

That the warriors and bobcats had the deal to trade J-Rich for the eighth pick before hand. It was suppose to be part of getting KG. When the pick came up the Bobcats could not get a hold of the Warriors in time again, to find out exactly who they were suppose to pick and so they took Wright. As the story goes the T-Wolves were not happy with that, because that is not who they wanted. That killed the deal with the T-Wolves for the Warriors. The Warriors then got stuck with Wright and tried to spin it to everyone the best they could.

by The Golden One on Jul 31, 2008 11:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ditto again

i hate ignorant fans..good counter

by IndubitableBayAreaGM on Aug 1, 2008 1:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know the era has passed

but i do miss J Rich! We didn’t use the $10 mil, so that sucks but we’ll have to give B Wright another year before we really evaluate this trade. he barely played last year and he’s still what 19 y/o maybe 20 y/o

by GoldenStateDubtronic on Jul 31, 2008 4:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we did use the exception in a manner of speaking

would u have rather used it on a team giving a 10 million dollar player away (probably crap) and not have the money to sign maggette? or use it and not have the cap room? the only possible was camby and we obviously could have since they gave them to the clips. but the we would have had an aging team assuming they did it before baron opted out

by IndubitableBayAreaGM on Aug 1, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow. That vote is deadlocked right now.

50% agree. 49% disagree.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 31, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enough JRich already. He wasn;t leader and my

grandma can dribble the rock better than does. He has two left feet and hands of stone!

by smearthebeard on Jul 31, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ahhh

you want to try to D him up. He probably dunk on you with ease. Many ppl forgotten he rarely take it to rim since he undergo knee surgery.

by warriorfan4life on Aug 1, 2008 1:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steinmetz is not the menza...

of NBA basketball or the Warriors. For some reason ->he needed the attention ->digs up buried bones -> relives the past. Matt, there are 12 step programs out there that can help!

by streetballer on Jul 31, 2008 5:04 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

even the Warriors don’t like Steinmetz. Will he be conspicuously missing from the sidelines this year?

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by olympicmike on Jul 31, 2008 5:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted no...

but totally expected the yes to be the favorite in that poll. I’m extremely surprised that its still basically 50/50

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 31, 2008 5:33 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm even more surprised that there are 1062 votes

are there really that many different ppl going through here in a span of 18 hrs, half of which should have been dedicated to sleep and daily commute?

or are some obsessed individuals voting over and over again…..........................................................

by the evil monkey on Aug 1, 2008 9:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

i voted 1000 times, 500 times yes, 500 times no.

by Fantasy Junkie on Aug 1, 2008 10:07 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forget SUPER CR3W!

FANNY PACK KILLED IT! Man… Super Cr3w is overrated and highly messy. They shoulda never made it past Supreme Soul

by Mr. Monday Night on Aug 2, 2008 9:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

500 times yes, 500 times no.

I only got in 5 no votes before it cut me off?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2008 2:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

the board is spilit… i think if jrich was still here we would never had the monta blossom like we had this year and maybe monta would have been cheaper this year.

by saintdee on Jul 31, 2008 5:45 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like Steinmetz wrote, Monta was the Most Improved Player with JRich on the team.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 31, 2008 6:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Monta won that award because J-Rich broke his hand and got a ton of minutes during the year. It’s not like he and J-rich were really feeding off each other the whole year or anything.

by Nellieball on Jul 31, 2008 6:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we did that to bukie

the was he started off i thought we was gonna have to pay him crazy jack to keep him

by IndubitableBayAreaGM on Aug 1, 2008 1:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well here's the thing,

Had the Richardson trade never happened and this team failed, everyone on here would have bitched and moaned about not going after Kevin Garnett hard enough, not even thinking about Brandan Wright. If it would have been a success and the Warriors made the playoffs, everyone on here would be talking about shipping off Al Harrington because he’s _ and _.

As much as I’d love to still see Richardson in a Warrior jersey this past season, I’m happy about the general direction of this team. Rebuilding happens, but our team hasn’t been this young since the Arenas/Richardson/Jamison days. Is it August 8 yet?

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 31, 2008 5:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can't put a price on heart

First let me say that this is not a knock on Brandan Wright. He wasn’t the problem with this trade. Normally when you make a trade, you try to get back an asset that is equal or greater to the one that you are giving away. The Warriors trade away the heart of the team. They still had Baron Davis but the true “Warrior” was Jason Richardson. They traded him away in exchange for Brandan Wright and then let Brandan sit on the bench for pretty much the whole season. If they kept Richardson, would he has sat on the bench the whole season? Of course not. Jason would have played his heart out every game the same way he did for the Warriors since his rookie season. So basically, the Warriors traded him away for the Mid Level Exception (which they didn’t use) and a player that Nelson didn’t add to the rotation. They got nothing in exchange for the symbol of the team. Walk through Oracle Arena during any game last season and I bet you would have seen as many Jason Richardson jerseys as you would have seen Baron Davis jerseys. He was loved by all the fans. He was the symbol of the Warriors teams just as the Bald Eagle is the symbol of the United States. You can’t put a value on that.

The only excuse I can give Warriors management for making that trade is that they were attempting to clear salary space to make a run at making a trade for Kevin Garnett. If the Warriors had managed to get KG, we wouldn’t be talking about Jason Richardson now. Heck, we might be celebrating a championship. But it didn’t happen. Now Baron Davis bailed on us for the Clippers. If we still had Jason, we wouldn’t have bothered signing Maggette. Maggette came in at a lower price than Jason Richardson but to be honest there is something about Jason that I would rather have, HEART.

by NBA on Jul 31, 2008 5:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

f we still had Jason, we wouldn’t have bothered signing Maggette.

Bothered? We wouldn’t have been able. If Davis left and the Richardson trade had never happened, we wouldn’t have had cap room.

by jae on Jul 31, 2008 11:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sentimental sentimental sentimental
slop

by haverecords on Aug 1, 2008 12:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IT'S OVER AND DONE WITH!!

I’ve actually been an active reader for this site and a crazy dedicated warrior fan for a while now and I usually don’t post comments but this thread has split this whole forum and half and I don’t think it’s neccessary…... I just want to say…..

GET OVER IT!!!!! nothing we do now can undo everything that has happened already!!! We all loved JRich and we always will but everyone should have moved on by now even Matt Steinmetz and I don’t even know why he’s still bringing this up. All we should care about now is how to get to this season’s playoffs and nothing about JRich!!! Let’s just take this thread out!! IT’S POINTLESS!!!!

by Pjaysee on Jul 31, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you have an Egg McMuffin...

...or Sausage McMuffin with egg this morning for break fast? :-P

by Tony.psd on Jul 31, 2008 8:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, it was good trade

yes, it’s too early to judge this trade, but Wright will be here for a long time and looks like he’ll be a good player.

Didn’t the W’s win more games last year than the season before?

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by Kobe on Jul 31, 2008 6:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why the hell did we trade for Baron Davis???

Keep talking about J-Rich if you want, but trading him meant breaking up the whole ‘We Believe’ squad just so we can keep Monta. There was no point of having Baron Davis on this team in the first place if we were just going to end up saving money for Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins to get pwned by guys like LeBron, Oden, Paul etc. in the future.

We waited 12 years to make the damn playoffs and we finally put together a GREAT team. We acquired Baron Davis who was the best point guard we had since Tim Hardaway, we brought Don Nelson back to lead the team even further, and we added key pieces in Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington. What did that lead to? It lead to the team going 16-5 in the games they played together and they ended up pulling off an upset and going to the 2nd round. Our team was good enough to be one of the last eight teams remaining out of the 30 overall. Do you know how great that was? Isn’t that the success that we all have been waiting 12+ years for??

What do we do after? We trade Richardson, and then we let Baron walk. All because we value Monta and Biedrins so much. So yeah, 12 seasons just so we can get a tease huh? We wait 12 seasons, and then the organization teases us by getting Baron and acts like we were working towards a championship. But no, that was just to get us excited for a while. Now we’re rebuilding AGAIN with Monta, Biedrins, Randolph, Wright, etc. Ok, lets wait another 3 years before we become one of the top teams in the league again, but even then we’re still going to get owned by guys like Greg Oden, Derrick Rose, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Andrew Bynum, Al Jefferson etc. etc. etc. all of them will be in their prime by then.

We were already a top 8 team in the league in 06-07, we were just one big player away from smelling that championship but instead we decide to break everyone up since we all love Monta so much. The Brandan/Jason trade better be worth it, we better win a championship within the next 10 years; we could have gone pretty damn close to winning one had we kept the group together. Don Nelson didn’t come back from retirement just so he can lead a bunch of 20 year olds.

Don’t even tell me to “move on”, because quite frankly you don’t make a trade like the Jason Richardson one and become MUTE about it. Matt Steinmetz is simply reviewing the OUTCOME of a trade, yet hella people are getting mad at him for doing so. So what, we’re supposed to make a big trade and never talk about how things ended up turning out?.I’m not just going to be all on Chris Mullin’s nuts and be okay with whatever direction he leads the team to.

Don’t get me wrong though. I can move on, since there’s no reason why someone couldn’t be able to move on while reminiscing at the same time. I will just be patient with this whole Monta Ellis thing, he’s a future all-star in my eyes and hopefully he leads us to a championship; but damn, we just broke up a great team because of him and Andris. That team was capable of doing great things, they just needed one more piece and they would have taken over. Especially with Don Nelson ready to retire again after one more season. Enough with the low expectations, we shouldn’t be accustomed to losing anymore, in my eyes the 2007 Warriors could have developed into a championship contender if Chris Mullin kept the main guys together. All we needed was a dominant low post presence and we would have been crazy.

I’m 100% sure that if Chris Mullin was the GM of the Boston Celtics, he would have kept Al Jefferson to work towards the future, instead of getting key players to win a championship. It’s whatever now, we’re all on Monta’s nuts hopefully that guy brings a championship to the Bay.

by Five Ten Entertainment on Jul 31, 2008 8:57 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Onlxn, man

The quaility of your writing and thinking seriously makes me envious. It’s like, if I had a machine that magically transcribed my thoughts exactly into perfect, smooth English prose, while purging them of any trace of snark and meanness, it might resemble the typical comment you post here.

I think you may be the “dominant Big Man” GSoM been lacking…

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 1, 2008 4:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha, kind words, Sleepy, but really the difference between thee and me is that you have the decency not to ramble every time you post. I am the Declercq of this board, at best.

by onlxn on Aug 2, 2008 11:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1
They thought they were great, and that’s what made them so charming… they were fun and crazy, and they pulled off a huge upset. But they weren’t a team that was going to get anywhere near a championship

and this was the main reason why 07/08 season started 0-6

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Aug 1, 2008 4:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No it wasn’t. Missing Stack Jack was the main reason, and everyone knows it.

by Amoc on Aug 1, 2008 11:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

playing utah twice didn’t help either

by Nellieball on Aug 1, 2008 11:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope

in one interview Biedrins said that team was just too self confident after 06/07 PO
actually Warriors played without Jack even later in season -as i remember they won BOS without SJax -so IMO missing SJax was just one of the reasons -but not main

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Aug 2, 2008 5:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I had the ability or knew how to rec a post, I would rec this one.

I agree, a lot of the argument was hypothetical about the team+J-Rich. We ended on such a high note, we believed that the hot version of the team was what it was. Monta Ellis shot 60+% in a month, but that doesn’t mean that he is always going to play like that. Everyone peaked at the right time for us that year.

Don’t people remember how we went 18-10 with Baron Davis the first year we got him? Expectations were sky high for the next season, because it seemed that once we acquired Davis we started winning. Well, what was our record the next season?

And we played a lot of winning teams at the end of the year in 06-07, but how do we know they were trying as hard as we were. Dallas rested all their guys against us. When we played Utah we won 126-102, and they outrebounded us 49-45. How the hell does Utah only outrebound us by 4 in a game they have to win? The answer is that they didn’t have to win it.

by belilaugh on Aug 1, 2008 10:18 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, razor thin margins...

I guess, as always, the deciding votes will be coming from Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida…

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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 31, 2008 8:59 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, razor thin margins...

Yep, that’s the downside of voting, half the voters always vote as if they have below average intelligence.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 31, 2008 9:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha

Why does Skeptic seriously crack me up every day?

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 31, 2008 9:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We won’t really know if this was a good trade until we see how BWright pans out. If he reaches his potential it was a great trade. If he doesn’t…i don’t know.

by jakeaco on Jul 31, 2008 10:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My favorite part

What kind of banana is Brandan? HAHA!!! I love that picture and the idea. Snaps, Matt.

Well… I hope he’s a green banana.

I am going to take a pretty firm stance against Steinmetz on this one though:

GENERAL COMMENT OR COMPLAINT: When you get right down to it, Richardson is a third or fourth banana.

REBUTTAL: I don’t disagree with that. But I don’t think Brandan Wright is going to be any better kind of banana.

Umm… In what scenario are you going to be happy about paying a “3rd or 4th banana” 51M for 4 years (what JRich was due when he was traded)? That’s 14.4M in his last year… as a 3rd or 4th banana? Sorry, not buying it. Maggette’s getting less money over 5 years instead of 4, and people are still calling him overpaid. That makes JRich extra overpaid. Imagine the crying people here would do if we hired a jumpshot focused SG at 51M/4 years this offseason.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 1, 2008 8:53 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

# 23- CJ Watson !!!

Giving JRich’s number to CJ the very next year was low class.The Warriors brass could have suggested another number.Wait at least a year before giving it so unceremoniously to another player ! And the “Boy’s are back in Town” video montage with JRich and Webber was WEAK !! Jason deserved his OWN video tribute !!

Dr. Jeff

by JEFFSJAZZ on Aug 1, 2008 10:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think they showed the video or JRich and Webber together to avoid the embarassment of Webber getting booed, or at the very least the embarassment of the player they traded getting more cheers than the player they aquired. Not everyone was thrilled with the Webber deal.

I loved JRich, but still think trading him was the right move.

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by Goofus on Aug 4, 2008 3:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

k which of you cheaters are voting twice

as big as GSoM is, we dont have 1200+ active voters

by dso on Aug 1, 2008 3:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sitemeter

If you look at our sitemeter there are 8500 views per day and 26,000 hits.
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s22goldenstateofmind

What that translates into as far as unique visits, I’m not sure. But there are quite a few people who do read the site each day. 1200 doesn’t surprise me.

Or maybe people are just deleting their cookies or logging on from multiple computers because this vote is so important.

by Fantasy Junkie on Aug 1, 2008 4:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO

Trading Jason Richardson was a stupid trade in my opinion. He was our 2nd best player and we got Brandon Wright in return who was in the D-League at the beginning of the season. I just don’t see that much potential in Wright, never did. Watching J-Rich drop 42 points on the warriors and then seeing him on sportscenter’s top 10 doing a 360 last year just hurt so bad. And then, the warriors let Baron walk. So after 13 years of not making the playoffs, they make it one year, and then decide it is time to rebuild??? Haha what they hell. I was just happy to be in the playoffs since I have been a warriors fan all my life. Even tho that group may have never won a championship, they would have been in the playoffs every year for the next 3 to 4 years. And who knows, they were so dangerous and unpredictable that when they got hot, they could beat anyone. Not to mention they had only played with eachother for half a season and it looked like they had played with each other for years. Just think if they had played with eachother for 3 or 4 more years. But that’s done with now. I am a warriors fan and will always be so i welcome the new era. I just think we would have been better off with our original team that made the playoffs. But hopefully in 3-4 years I am wrong.

by rickyross on Aug 1, 2008 4:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was our 2nd best player and we got Brandon Wright in return who was in the D-League at the beginning of the season.

Well for starters, we got Brandan Wright, not Brandon, but if it’s consolation, you don’t seem to be alone in your inability to get his name right. I’m curious about his time in the NBDL as well as there’s no record of it that I can find.

And then, the warriors let Baron walk.

Do I take it from this that you’d have the Warriors shell out a contract to exceed what the Clippers offered him? That’s what it would have taken to keep him.

by jae on Aug 1, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m also not at all convinced that J-Rich was our 2nd best player. Biedrins was already quite valuable by the time J-Rich was traded… Jackson was and is more useful in our system, and Monta was improving rapidly (and is certainly better now). I’d say J-Rich was somewhere between the third and fifth best player on the Warriors in the summer of 2007. He was our 2nd most expensive player, though, which is the main reason why it made sense to move him.

by onlxn on Aug 1, 2008 4:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

J-Rich was somewhere between the third and fifth best player on the Warriors

Missed the playoff games didya?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2008 4:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Still makes sense

he’d still be 3rd through 5th. In the playoffs…

1) Baron (even you couldn’t argue that)
2) Jackson
possibly 3) Barnes
possibly 4) J-Rich
possibly 5) Biedrins

J-Rich is anywhere from 3-5 there.

by belilaugh on Aug 1, 2008 9:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

???

barnes over j rich?!

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Aug 2, 2008 7:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said, possibly. I’m talking only about the playoff games here. Barnes was consistent and hit some really timely shots on the road and at home, most of J-Rich’s production was at home.

by belilaugh on Aug 8, 2008 10:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5 year $65 million ($13 million a year). I mean I would rather have Baron for $3 million more over Correy Maggette ($10 million per year) in a heartbeat. The contract they offered him was reported to be way lower than the clippers offer. So I am sure he felt disrespected since he turned the franchise around and then simply dominated in the playoffs. You would think the warriors would make more of an effort to keep him. But then they start talking about how next year is going to be a rebuilding year which did not help either.

by rickyross on Aug 2, 2008 10:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're only remembering the good times...

Not the times when he was sitting on the bench. Or the times he was jacking up 3s for no reason for one of his patented 6-20, 15 points, and 1-8 3pters, to go along with his 8 assists & 8 turnovers…

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 4, 2008 8:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hopefully in 3-4 years I am wrong.

Rickross? In 3 or 4 years you can buy the team and freeway it up!

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Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 1, 2008 4:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I loved JR

But I will have to side that the trade was the right move. Obviously losing JR hurts us immediatley, but it paid dividends in the end.

First there was no way we could have resigned Monta and beidrins if JR was still with the dubs. And that was our MUST going into this offseason. So that was a possitive for us.

Secondly, we didn’t get nothing in return. I mean we didn’t exactly get a starting 4 in the deal but BW will definetely be a contributor on both ends as he continues to grow.

Lastly, JR had some issues with his legs if you remember correctly. After the Dallas series when we took on UTAH his shots began to fall flat. Check Out nearly all of the UTAH games to see it. JR was hitching on his shot because he wasn’t getting the elevation he usually does on his jumpers. So there was obvious signs of fatigue there. Not saying he wasn’t still one of our best threats, but Monta is much more dangerous on the floor than JR. If it wasn’t for the deal Monta would not have had his spot to step into.

The JR trade was the reason we were able to resign our franchise players and he may be the reason Monta was given his big shot to become more than a backup.

by shooter1525 on Aug 2, 2008 8:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn! That poll is neck and neck!

... It’s like lord of the flies… hmm… now that would make a great GSW poster concept ;)

by Tony.psd on Aug 2, 2008 10:34 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn! That poll is neck and neck!

dint know there are so many republicans on here didya? what’s happened to the Yay area!!

Till I get free
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 2, 2008 10:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right direction but Brandan Wright?

Oak-town will forever mourn the loss of J-Rich no matter what the contract situation was because Brandan Wright will be a huge bust. Yes, athletic, but no offensive game but dunks. He hasn’t showed he can put at least 2 post moves to memory. He needs to become stronger to make up for the lack up skill and height even though he has the long arms. He will be a role player at best.

J-Rich was the leader, Yeah trading him to get younger is fine, but I think the Warriors could have gotten better talent then Wright

by gamebreaker24 on Aug 2, 2008 11:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

I’m kinda glad he left. He is my boi and all, but he need get out of the bay to prove he still got it. Well, looks like he doing just fine to me. If he could find his nut to drive it in the rim more often, he will be on the list of all the ex warriors having a better career.

by warriorfan4life on Aug 3, 2008 2:42 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1068-1063????

Can you say FREEP?

Methinks these poll results are about as legit as a $1,068 bill. ;-)

Based on my inside sources, here’s how those votes break down:

PRO-TRADE
Coma: 500 votes
Coma’s girlfriend: 300 votes
xcoma: 200 votes
OptionZero: 50 votes
Amoc: 15 votes
OlympicMike: 1 vote
Sleepy Freud: 1 vote
Sleepyette: 1 vote

ANTI-TRADE
Oldskool: 800 votes
Skeptic Con Urquell: 250 votes
GSoM staff and their significant others: 13 votes

What say we just call it a statistical tie and lock the poll?

Don't mess with ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 5, 2008 7:54 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

asdf

you forgot unconscious

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Aug 5, 2008 12:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What say we just call it a statistical tie and lock the poll?

you gotta wait for the Bizarro vote to come in.

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 5, 2008 2:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BOOO-ERNS!

If they make it past this week, I’d be upset. They should have never got passed Supereme Soul in the first place!

by Mr. Monday Night on Aug 5, 2008 3:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually....

I was pissed Boogie Bots got past em’... I woulda gone all the way w/ SS but hey… B-boys 4 Life… not really feelin’ SoReal, if anything SC vs. Fanny Pack should be interesting although this season was aight compared 2 lasts.

by Tony.psd on Aug 5, 2008 3:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SoReal is probably the smoothest crew out there...

The only reason why I don’t like like SC is they’re sloppy. If you really look at their formations and such… its usually off. Now I know that they break a lot and do coordinate a lot of stunts, but those do not make up for their attention to detail with other steps. They should be able to break while doing the transitions w/ finesse. Ah well… Fanny Pak

by Mr. Monday Night on Aug 5, 2008 5:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True... True... True...

Can’t complain about that at all and yea SRC is smooth 2 death! It’s all on America LOL! Imagine if it was SRC vs. Boogiebots! Those kids got grilled last week hahaha! Poor guys!

by Tony.psd on Aug 5, 2008 11:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DAMN!!!!!

1125 against the trade… that’s like 1 whole section in the upperlevel!

by Tony.psd on Aug 5, 2008 5:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Voted for it....

...it gave Ellis the opening and time he needed. In the long run it was thing to do.

by c1ramfan on Aug 5, 2008 7:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sleepy...

It’s been a while… I voted against it, but not bcuz it was a bad trade but bcuz of all the headaches and ish I got during that 1000+ post arguement. I still have nightmares about it.

by oldskool on Aug 5, 2008 11:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Voted for it. I'm a Laker fan.

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by Skeptic Con Urquel on Aug 7, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hated the trade then, Hate the trade now

For my money the answer is definitely no. The Jason Richardson trade ended the most exciting and the best quality team GSW has had for a decade. With J-Rich the team definitely makes the playoffs and would have been good enough to scare the life out of someone and possibly make a similar run to the previous season.

They gained nothing from the trade that couldn’t be acquired at a later date if the deal truly had to be done to rebuild. They could have got similar quality in return later on.

by Dave W on Aug 14, 2008 8:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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