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"The Warriors became players in free-agent negotiations after Baron Davis opted out of his contract Monday, and they could be the chief challengers to the Sixers, not only for Brand but also for Smith and Andre Iguodala.

The Warriors have big offers on the table for two unrestricted free agents, Brand and guard Gilbert Arenas, who has been given a sizable contract proposal by his old team, the Washington Wizards. An NBA source said that, should both players spurn Golden State, the Warriors would go after who they feel are the best restricted free agents on the market: Smith and Iguodala."

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Josh Smith and Iggy are definitely nice players and I'd love to get either, but let's be honest- do you really think they're going to come to this loser franchise when their respective teams can offer them better deals? (please correct me if I'm wrong on the cap figures) If they do it will because the Warriors front office gets hoodwinked and offers some ridiculous Rashard Lewis type deal that even their own team won't match. I'll also reference what my man Modi posted in The Salary Cap Myth. Cap space is wildly overrated my friends.

Chances are the Warriors aren't going to get a single major impact free agent. For the most part you win in this league with stellar drafting and amazing trades. Two things the Warriors historically have been absolutely horrendous at.

Good times in Dubs land!

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Warriors can offer $67 Mill/5 yr's, but...

That looks like the amount they’d have to offer him in order to get him to not go to the sixers.

http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/blog_index.php/?p=31935&cat=8%209%2010%2039%20216%20274%20101%20152

At the same time though, what good would it do if we pay him all that money, and lose BD AND Monta? (See my latest fanpost, where the Knicks are now eyeing Monta.)

by BaronsClipps on Jul 4, 2008 10:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Even if the Knicks were eyeing Monta...

They would only be able to offer the MLE to Monta… and outside of David Lee and Jamal Crawford, the Knicks wouldn’t have what it would take to make a sign and trade happen at all. David Lee & Jamal Crawford are the only two pieces the Knicks would have in order to get rid of Zach Randolph’s contract…. there is no way that the Knicks would give up both to get Monta in a S&T.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 4, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think the warriors are going to sign at least one good free agent. Because players today want money and although they want to be on a contender, money becomes a more important factor. Take Elton Brand, I know he will probably go back to the clippers but he did delay his decision to go back because of the huge sums of money that we offered. So i think the warriors can seriously sign one of these restricted free agents eventhough we might not be a contender next years. Thats my opinion. Yeah i would not want to lose Monta, but i highly doubt that Monta will leave, Mullin promised and he will do anything to bring him back. I trust mullin.

by pat52willis on Jul 4, 2008 10:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Smith

I wouldn’t throw the bank at Smith, he’s not the type of player that can carry a team. He should sign with atlanta where things were looking pretty good. If they get someone to take the double and triple teams off johnson they could be go a long ways.
Iggy would be a good addition but still not a franchise player. If the sixers don’t want to pay him maybe we can get him cheap? I’d save the big money for Boom version 2.0 when he comes along( Maybe it will be DeRon next year?)

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 4, 2008 10:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

AI 2.0 is definately a franchise type player...

He is a good defender, good offensive option, and is unselfish with the ball. He has fairly good court vision and would be a perfect match with Stephen Jackson & Monta Ellis, giving the Warriors someone else who could handle & be the playmaker to alleviate Ellis from having to do so all the time.

As for Smith, he’s a GREAT defender, a spotty offensive player (although he does seem to get points) and an even spottier shooter. I wouldn’t throw max money at a glorified role player, even if his defense is purely superior to anyone on our team.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 4, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I strongly disagree

I see Andre as a 3rd banana on a good team. Yeah he can defend, but he cannot create his own shot to save his life. Or at least be able to hit that shot consistently. To me, to be a franchise player, you have to be someone who can consistently create their own shot as things are breaking down. He is also unable to consistently knock down open shots. In my opinion, Andre can only truly flourish if he has an outstanding point guard along side him to get him the ball in motion. Then he is able to use his athleticism to get to the rim and make plays/ get fouled.

I agree having cap space only means you get to pay the Baby Shards of the world (Unless you are New York, L.A., or a Florida team (no state tax)). But this is why the Warriors are/were going after legit, all NBA talent such as Brand and Arenas.

by Nellieball on Jul 4, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny

I see Iggy as a good player on a 3rd banana team. And unlike that “all NBA talent” such as Brand and Arenas you refer to, Iggy has no history of major injury to report.

by centerre on Jul 4, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not saying Andre is not good. But, for the Warriors to get him, they would have to drastically overpay him. They would be paying him money that a franchise player/ 2nd banana should be making. To me, he is not worth that much, nor will he ever be. He is a very nice young player, but let’s not kid ourselves, call him a franchise player, and give him more than he is worth.

Also, with the type of modern medicine, science, doctors, and surgeons that teams employ in this day and age, do not be surprised if both Gilbert and Brand make full recoveries. The surgery and rehab they are put through is drastically superior to anything you or I would receive if we got hurt. I mean, you don’t think the Warriors have some of the best doctors in the world that inspect these guys before they sign? I agree it is a risk, but it’s not like this stuff is not calculated.

Yes, we did not see them play much this year, but I feel this is a situation where all of us have forgotten how good they are. Look at the stats, they are freaking good. I DO NOT THINK THE WARRIORS WILL GET EITHER but Atma is right when he talks about cap space being overrated. Cap space means you can pay Rashard Lewis 124 million dollars. Rashard Lewis is worth half of that. So, if All-NBA talent (top 15 player in league) becomes available, you owe it to yourself to try and use your cap space on that.

I refer to Brand and Arenas as “All NBA talent” because, guess what, they have made an All-NBA team in their career. Elton and Gilbert have both, in the very recent past been 2nd team All-NBA, essentially making them a top 10 player in this league.

by Nellieball on Jul 4, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the right price, I would absolutely take Andre. However, I do not think it is possible to get him without overpaying.

by Nellieball on Jul 4, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny how we are mouring

over a player that hasn;t made an all star in years, plays on avg. 50 games a year, shoots 30% from deep and yet fans consider him a superstar? What gives? We didn;t even make the playoffs last year and alot fo it had to do with Party Animal Baron. I am a season ticket holder and watch every freakin game. I say this team will be able to bring in
2 star players to replace 1 star player. There is a difference between stars and superstars. Baron was not a superstar so get over it. This team is about to become better without him!

by smearthebeard on Jul 4, 2008 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Smith can;t carry a team?

Your right and neither could Baron.

by smearthebeard on Jul 4, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

48 wins in a RIDICULOUSLY TOUGH western conference is definitely no joke! Just because we didn’t make the playoffs doesn’t mean that our team wasn’t good. Sure there were some games we should have won, but there were other games we should have lost as well. Without Baron, we would have definitely lost ALL of those games!

Baron Davis averaged an estimated 22 ppg, 8 apg, 5 rpg, 2 spg and a block every other game. That gaudy statline in itself is better than half of the people that went to the all-star game, let alone most of the people in the league.

Now I agree that we could conceivably bring in two star players to replace a superstar, but in this crop of free agents, I would only target Iguodala as a big time player, with Josh Smith coming in on a lower scale. There just isn’t that much “star” power available in the free agency pool.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 4, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's okay

dudes like this will wake up from their delusions when the Dubz fail to win 40 games this coming season.

That or he’ll just hop off the bandwagon and ride the Kobe jockwagon.

by misterjennings on Jul 4, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All the warriors have to do is forget brand and trade al harrington for a vet PG, then that frees up even more money in the cap to go after either iggy or Joash smith maybe even both?? Then if there is any money left we could try and go after maggete.

Lineup-
Kirk Heinrich
Ellis
Maggete
Josh Smith
Beidrens

by BD-SUCKS on Jul 4, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

how about

we trade everyone on team for this lineup guys!

Chris Paul
Kobe
Lebron
KG
Dwight Howard

Aren’t you guys sick of these rediculous proposed lineups by now? It’s just not going to happen.

by misterjennings on Jul 4, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking more like-

Paul
Kobe
Lebron
KG
Adonal

by Nellieball on Jul 4, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smokescreen Summer

How is this for optimism:

First, Mulson gets the Kings to blink on the guy from Rider, dropping a better player (AR) into the #14 spot. Time is the only way to tell on that, so I won’t argue the point either way.

Then, they don’t resign Baron. It was going to go down that way in a year anyway. Face it, the writing was on the wall. So we Cohan have has an extra $17 Mil lying around this year. The intent was to have that kind of money lying around next year, but I don’t think Cohan is going to get too grumpy about it. What Mulson gets is more minutes to spread around – to Ellis at the one, Belli @ the two (not sold that he will be a useful NBA player yet, but perhaps Nellie can cook up a way to use him, and this is a great way to find out), we see what Kaz has over a full year, etc.

So now the smoke screen really starts.

The warriors seem to be rumored to have big offers out to every major free agent in what is really a pretty mediocre FA year. I can’t help but notice that we don’t seem to be “winning” any of these bidding wars. My question is, are we really in any of them in the first place? Where are all these rumors coming from, anyway? The Dubs front office has been completely mum. Do you think that any NBA player’s agent would mind having permission to go back to the Clippers and say that the Dubs just made a max offer on their client?

In the meantime, there is a feeding frenzy happening in this very mediocre FA season, and a whole bunch of other teams are filling up their rosters and cap space for the long run. The dubs are not. Yes, I get it – cap space and $1.95 gets you a Venti coffee, but still.

I am not hearing so many rumors about Ellis and Biedrins. Or even Kaz. Perhaps we keep following the course that Mulson has been setting for the past couple of years. We let the frenzy die down. Quietly sign our guys to reasonable, fair, we-can-build-a-real-team-around-you-guys numbers. We keep Jackson to school the youngsters. If Barnes can stage a mental comeback, we probably get to get him at the vet’s minimum, and his (past) fire would be a nice addition to the Warrior culture. We keep Al and his expiring contract, decent understanding of Nellie’s system and neutral locker room presence.

We give the youngsters a year to show what they have got, and who works where. Then next year, we can target a talented PG in the draft (our record is, after all, going to suck though all this, sorry), and exactly the right available FA, at a potentially more modest price, to complete our roster.

Side note: A top-notch point guard is obviously a great thing to have, but there was an espn.com article that showed that very few of the past championship teams had a top-10 PG at the helm. In fact, who remembers that the last time the Dubs made the playoffs (before Baron) was the year that Tim busted up his ACL and Avery Johnson took over?

No major moves this summer, but keep the waters stirred up and tap all the other teams out. Develop/evaluate our guys. Maybe even groom Nelsons’ replacement. As for Baron’s money, we can turn it into short-term deals for veterans that can help show our new guys the ropes, or perhaps Cohan can lower ticket prices for a change.

OK, now even I realize that I am dreaming.

But just to do the math – let’s see. Let’s take Davis’ Salary: 17.8 Mil. Divide that by 41 home games, equals a little over $434 thousand a game. (sickening isn’t it) (I guess I shoulda learned hoops instead of Ultimate Frisbee). Divide that by about 19,596 tickets per game, and that works out to about $22.15 per ticket.

Whaddya say, Cohan – split the difference?

by SoCalMole on Jul 4, 2008 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

SoCalMole

How many Warriors games do you attend every year? None? Thought so, there for your opinion is garbage and has no validity!

by smearthebeard on Jul 4, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i actually pretty much agree with SoCalMole

and, mr. smearthebeard, i’ve been to over 80 home games the last 2 year. and i watch every game on tv. and i’m going to vegas next week to watch the youngsters, as a matter of fact. the fact that people disagree with you does not mean they are uneducated.

look, without BD we won’t win 48 games, but we’ll win more than you think - and we’ll be good at home, because that’s just how we play. no, we won’t make the playoffs. we didnt last year with BD playing all 82 games. yeah, i know, jax missed the first 6 - but we still fell apart at the end of the season. and the West is going to be tougher this year too.

look, like it or not now is a bad time to be playing all your cards and mortgaging the future for the playoffs. we have fantastic youth, and it’s a bloodbath in the West. the dust will clear in 3 years, and there will only be a few teams left as legit contenders: portland, the lakers and the W’s—if we play our cards right.

either way, you’ll get nellieball this year—which will be fun as hell with our young, athletic team. enjoy the show and get behind the next generation. they might surprise you…

by b.radley on Jul 4, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole ticket price thing was just intended as irony - I can't call it a "joke", as it wasn't funny.

The main point that I have is: why should we work to be also-rans in a mediocre FA market, when we can set up to be the main player in a stronger market in a year or two? And might that be what the Dub brain trust is doing?

by SoCalMole on Jul 4, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm hoping so

but that gilbert offer kinda scared me…

by b.radley on Jul 4, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so is going to a W's game like staying at the Holiday Inn?

for making such a ridiculous statement you should be forced to buy SoCalMole some Warrior’s tickets.

by the evil monkey on Jul 7, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think

I’ll pay the extra cash for a better team, instead of getting last year’s team minus baron for less money per ticket. I like watching us win.

"Hold it. The Schwarzenegger Library?" - John Spartan after hearing Arnold became President, from Demolition Man

by 61st Amendment on Jul 4, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Very good stuff

by Nellieball on Jul 4, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Iguodala

He’s a good defender and apparently he can handle the rock pretty well… maybe play the 1?

by dhp318 on Jul 4, 2008 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the disireability factor
Ellis’s agent, Jeff Fried, declined to discuss his client’s intentions.

"We’re in the midst of some meaningful discussions, and Monta is extremely interested in being part of a team that has the growth potential and solid foundation that is consistent with his own game and character," Fried said Tuesday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/sports/basketball/02knicks.html

there’s something about that “solid foundation” statement that makes me wonder if Monta is feeling all that chipper about being a Warrior now that he’s had a chance to see how the Warriors treated their supposedly valued team leader.

by centerre on Jul 4, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BaronsClipps?

Did you bang your head. The knicks are not int he market for high pay free agents. They are so far over the cap they can not sign Monte for the 5 year $60/million it will take to get him. Now post some runor that has a snow balls chance in hell of actually happening.

by smearthebeard on Jul 4, 2008 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The question

I was posing wasn’t about Monta going to the Knicks (which could still happen since Donnie Walsh and Mullin are buds and there’s always the possibility of a sign & trade – it wouldn’t be the first time Mullin said he wasn’t going to trade someone and then turned around and traded him). The quote left me wondering how Monta (as well as Jax, Beans, Bukie, et al.) are feeling after the BD comedy of errors has played out before their eyes.

Gilbert Arenas Takes Less Money to Stay in Washington Wizards Uniform

Can you imagine that type of headline on the sports page of the SF Chron about a Warrior? Good players are attracted to good teams, and there’s more to a good team than the team’s record. They want to know they are going to get a fair shake and valued as a player for their contribution.

by centerre on Jul 4, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the fact that the warriors did not resign baron does not make them a bad franchise

look, everyone knows why they didn’t sign him. they offered him what they thought he was worth. that’s just smart business. arguably, they didn’t want to overpay him so they wouldn’t tie their hands inside the salary cap, down the road. esp. when his valuable contribution expectancy is really +/-3 years.

monta et al should be less concerned about what we did with baron, and more focused on what we do next. if we do something stupid like tie up our newfound cap space in someone who will not be a leader on this team, they’ll worry. but if we bring in some solid talent by spending wisely and/or save our money while expressly promising them that our intent is to get the best player(s) we can, even if we have to wait until next year, they should appreciate that as smart business—and in their best interest too…

by b.radley on Jul 4, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its great how many warnings i get on this site

and how Atma continues to just bash the warriors and everything they do.

“do you really think they’re going to come to this loser franchise”

Whats up with that?

I am as powerful as 100 times 100 times 100 times 13 Stilts!

by jeppalepala on Jul 4, 2008 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whats up with that?

I think that’s a rhetorical question?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 4, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

i was gonna say something too… hater!

by b.radley on Jul 4, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

jep- instead of complaining

why not put together a thoughtful, cohesive response to his claim that we are indeed a loser franchise?

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Jul 7, 2008 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't think so

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Jul 8, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

and the Hawks aren’t a loser franchise? BD was a solid player, but he wasn’t an all-pro and the dubs were terrible in his first couple years here, so obviously he wasn’t the sole reason for the turnaround.

by acpc2203 on Jul 4, 2008 3:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't

mind having either, but no matter how you put it , the warriors were going to have a tough time getting the eighth spot w/baron. never mind these two. The best thing to do is wait and see as they develop young players. there is no need to sign anyone unless he/they make us better than what we’ve lost.

by KeepdaCore on Jul 4, 2008 3:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do It!

These are the type of players I would like to see on the W’s! WE FLY HIGH!

The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!

by ballin on Jul 4, 2008 5:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"but let's be honest- do you really think they're going to come to this loser franchise when their respective teams can offer them better deals?"

I really wouldn’t consider the Atlanta Hawks to be a respective team. They’re going to lose Josh Smith and all of the team’s momentum leaves with him.

by Jynx-Removing on Jul 4, 2008 7:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

how many guys go to winning teams over taking the most money. did baron? imo no. come to think of it in the last twenty years name one big name free agent that came to any of the bay’s franchises. think long and hard about that. i can only think of one. barry bonds. but bonds was coming home,so imo it doesnt really count as the giants attracting a top free agent. plus the giants were getting a .290 30hr guy not victor conte’s bonds. so baron signing with the clips isnt so much them bein able to attract f.a.’s as it is him goin home.

by shootingtwo on Jul 4, 2008 9:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fisher :-)

I think we should have a thread for Baron haters and leave the rest of us to hate on Mullin and Cohan. Baron was and is a great asset and I can completely understand him feeling disrespected and heading south.

Right now we have more money than any other team in the NBA-about $18M-and that is after we sign Monta and Beans due to some prudent moves made by Mullin starting with the J-Rich trade. We are in great shape to build a good team for some time to come, but this coming season, baring landng one or two solid to impact players like Smith and Iggy, we won’t win 35 games IMHO.

CWebb is undoubtedly the answer but I forgot the question.

by commish on Jul 4, 2008 10:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

commish where you been man?

I am as powerful as 100 times 100 times 100 times 13 Stilts!

by jeppalepala on Jul 5, 2008 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for asking :-)

I’ve been posting and responding to a number of things, mostly posted by the sits’s managers and staying away from the fanposts. But now there are so many people posting it is hard to keep them straight. I still very much enjoy the site and, as all of us, will be very curious to see what happens after July 9th when the offers have to be for real.

CWebb is undoubtedly the answer but I forgot the question.

by commish on Jul 5, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea man same thing...

Lot’s of the posts now are so… well… not up to par… and it really started when the bandwagoners started coming lol… but it’s alright I guess its people like you Sleepy.. Urquell.. the people that been here that needa teach them and educate.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 5, 2008 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

naw zito was already in the bay, all he did was cross the bridge. dont remember the f.a.’s on the 94 squad. off the top of my head deion is the only name that really stands out(then again i’m not a niner fan so my bad if i missed someone)as far as fish goes…well i dont think i really need to elaborate on that one. but my point basically was that historically the bay area just does not draw big name f.a.’s for some reason. is it the ownerships, cost of livin, i dunno but imo its bigger than just the franchises w-l record or history. the bay and its franchises just do not appeal to f.a. outsiders.

by shootingtwo on Jul 5, 2008 12:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the bay area just does not draw big name f.a.’s for some reason.

It’s the fans. We got a lot of things to do around here so we don’t take the games seriously enough. We let the teams jack us around with poor decisions and cheap front offices. If our teams suck we can go to the beach or the mountains. The players wannna go where they know there’s a commitment to winning or maybe to major media markets like NYC or LA. I’m not sure what attracted Baron up here but we need to bottle it? If this place were as one dimensional as Utah or Texas we’d probably have better teams but would then hafta move!

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 5, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What!?

Skeptic, this post isn’t up to your normally high standard. Baron came here because he was traded and we got a steal cause he burned his bridges in NO. And in general players go when a teams shows them the $$$ except in rare cases. For obvious ego reasons, players equate bread with status and follow the money. The only time they don’t is usually if they made a commitment to the franchise/team like Brand seems to be doing or like Malone did when he hoped to win a title with LA.

Sadly, most front offices operate on a bottom line and as cheap as I think Cohan is, he isn’t nearly as bad as the owners of Memphis, for instance.

CWebb is undoubtedly the answer but I forgot the question.

by commish on Jul 5, 2008 5:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Baron came here because he was traded and we got a steal cause he burned his bridges in NO.

So he din’t have any input into where he was going? I guess he got lucky with the Yay area.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 5, 2008 9:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We also got him because we had a big expiring deal to send away. In fact, it seems like the lure of expiring contracts to get a cap situation under control are usually more valuable than the cap space that such contracts generate.

Perhaps the strategy for our current cap space should be to give one year deals to guys at inflated prices and then make trades for vets in bad situations on teams in tax crisis mode sometime during the year. “Barnes? It’s your lucky day. We’ll offer a one-year deal again, but it’s for $10mil. Mickael, how does a three year deal (with a team option for years 2 and 3) at $11 per strike you? No, I wouldn’t ACTUALLY suggest upgrading my property around here now that you’ve got the payday. I might be contacting real estate agents on the Eastern seaboard actually.”

I’m only sort of serious and only sort of kidding here. Unfortunately, I’m not certain that there’s a Gasol-type situation clearly on the horizon to aim for.

by jae on Jul 6, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Funny post but it might actually make an interesting strategy. I have been thinking that we might be in a position to make a deadline steal if we don’t eat up all our cap space in the offseason. The problem is that once we re-sign our guys and fill out the roster we won’t have any space left to take on contracts so your idea might just work.

It’s really hard to predict which players are going to demand trades, but could you imagine if D Wade demanded a trade in Feb and we had a 10 mil expiring contract to offer along with B-Wright, Randolph and next years 1st. Maybe Amare won’t be happy with the new situation in PHX. These situations never make sense until they happen. Once a team decides that they want to get out from under a guys contract it doesn’t take much more than a big expiring deal.

Yeah it’s a little silly and it’s almost a satirical look at the way this league functions under the CBA but it just might be a new trend. It couldn’t be any more ridiculous than bringing guys out of retirement to make a trade work. At least these guys are in the league right now.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 6, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I think James Jones would spend a year by the bay for $10 mil.

"I am the CHOSEN ONE"

by Tim&ChrisBurger on Jul 6, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we had a big expiring deal to send away?

Ok, Ask me this… What is it about the CBA that makes taking on an expiring contract worth the trouble? Why don’t teams just trade away the exiting player for cash then sign new replacements instead of getting an incoming player they don’t want along with his expiring contract?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 6, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The team taking on the big contract player has to give up similar salary to make space. When two capped teams make a trade, neither team is allowed to gain significantly more salary in the deal. If you want to take on a 10mil player, you need to find at least 8mil to send out the door. This is why teams can’t just make the trades for cash.

by jae on Jul 6, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want to take on a 10mil player, you need to find at least 8mil to send out the door.

But why take expiring contracts of bad players in trade for existing players? Why not just tell them to come back next year after the bad contract has expired and buy our player ? Seems like non expiring contracts locking up good players would have more value than expiring contracts of bad players but everyone seems to value the expiring ones?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 6, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The issue is that the expiring contract may not help the team holding it and the better player is part of a team that the other club wants to break up.

Holding an expiring contract doesn’t mean that you’ll have cap space. Case in point: the Baron trade. We had Dale Davis’s expiring contract. We didn’t have cap room. We were enough over the cap that had we let his contract expire, we’d STILL be close enough to the cap that we wouldn’t have been able to absorb Baron’s contract. Since you cannot trade contracts *after they expire, the deal had to be done while D.Davis was still under contract to make salaries match. Had we let it expire, we’d not have been able to afford a player of the same price and we wouldn’t have been able to get anything else back.

Similarly, when Gasol went to the Lakers, they had no option of waiting for the off-season to do something with Brown’s contract. If it expired it would have still left the Lakers over the cap. The contract was worth more to the Griz as it would help them get significantly under the cap and they could go shopping (whether that works remains to be seen, but it was the intention). I don’t think the Griz got back value for Gasol, but they wanted a new direction and they needed a trading partner to make it work. When everyone’s capped out, unless they wanted to replace a good player with a big contract with bad players with big contracts, the only move that makes sense is for expiring contracts, essentially to call a mulligan and start afresh when the season ends and the contract dies.

by jae on Jul 7, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Josh Smith

I think he’d be a great fit for the Warriors being that he can run the floor, DEFEND, and has a developing offensive game. Saying that, I don’t think they should offer him MAX money, but think of the possibilities:
Beans
Smith
Jacks
Monta
Watson(?)

I’d take that. Smith might not be a go-to player but he definitely adds another dimension to the W’s, esp. on the defensive end. Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather have Brand, but Smith ain’t a bad pick up either.

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by crossphaded on Jul 6, 2008 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

granted, i've only seen about 10 or so games of his this past yr

but outside of shot blocking, is his defense all that great? his on-the-ball defense seems barely average. it also looks like he doesn’t rotate to shooters and over rotates into the painted area. and he seems to foul a lot (though it turns out that was mostly in the postseason when he had to guard the celtics big frontline otherwise he fouls at a rate similar to barnes). there are some flags to his game that are confirmed when you look at his stats.

he shoots way too many jumpers considering he’s probably like a 25 to 35 % shooter outside of the key. for a PF who gets to finish a lot of dunks on the fast break, his mid40s shooting % is a bad sign. it’s not like he has defenses geared toward him or gets double/ triple teamed a lot or has to take a lot of shots w/ the shot clock winding down/pressure/game-winning shots….. all that is on Joe Johnson.

for a guy who doesn’t do the majority of the ball handling, he turns the ball over a lot. i’d say he handles it about as much as kirilenko, but while ak47 is just about 4 assts to 2 tos, jsmooth is around 3.4 to 3.

he’s young, but sometimes the biggest fallacy in evaluating talent can be youth. just b/c he’s young doesn’t mean his shooting is going to get any better. or that his ball-handling / decision making will improve. and that could be true even if he works hard. could be your ceiling is your ceiling. or he could just be working on the wrong stuff like shooting 3’s. or he might only improve from a 25% 3 shooter to a 29% shooter. he has no injury history, but neither did arenas, jrich or brand till recently. w/ a guy who jumps as much as jsmooth does, it’s probable that he’ll eventually have some knee issues.

in the salary cap age, if he were coming at diaw or even harrington rate i’d like to have him, but he’ll probably end costing BD money at least. if also used wisely, that’s probably the difference of having a barbosa, kapono, mcdyess type role player over a awvee storey, andre owens, or ryan hollins.

by the evil monkey on Jul 7, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don't see the point in signing either of them

They just aren’t worth the type of money they will demand. Sure they can play defense (well, Smith does it more so on the stat sheet), but where would a young defender who can’t shoot fit on a team that is notorious for playing no D and chucking 3’s? Signing any of these free agents would just be like buying a large gold bar and trying to push it through the circle hole in the child’s toy table, it don’t fit. All we have are swing men, smallish 2 guards, and 7 foot projects. Adding an overpaid swingman that can’t even shoot would just be a travesty. This team needs to just stay on it’s rebuilding path now that they’ve kissed Davis away and the big contract along with him. Now if the Warriors just draft smart, see how their players develop, and test the 2010 Free Agent waters, everything should go smooth. As of now, there are only 2 players I’d consider pursuing, Kirk Heinrich (for a cheaper price than he might demand though considering last year was terrible) and Kyle Lowry (a great defender and set up man for a mere fraction of the cost for AI or Josh Smith). I’m not going to concoct any crazy schemes to ship out players for any of those two, or even guarantee that they would be great, but I am saying that PG is our biggest need along with our eternal necessity for an effective PF/C (those can be optimistically filled by AB, Wright, and now Randolf however so the jury is still out). Whether they pan out or not, the lack of a single PG to develop is certain, considering Ellis is more of a SG.

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by thebigva on Jul 7, 2008 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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