Greg Oden Movement
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
0 recs |
80
comments
Comments
Why in the hell would Portland want to do this? Think about it.
Portland is going to trade “Hakeem Olajuwon 2.0” for those guys? Why? They would be stupid to do this and would most assurrdly laugh Mullin off the phone if he even proposed it.
I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.
by camwoody on Jul 5, 2008 1:57 PM PDT 0 recs
Because
dispite being “Hekeem Olajuwon 2.0” he is injury prone as he missed over 10 games in college ontop of a major surgery on his knee. You can be Jordon, but if you’re injured, you can’t play. Not to mention that you get 3 major upside guys, and two draft picks and you free up around 3-5 million in cap space.
According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis
by montasmob69 on
Jul 5, 2008 2:11 PM PDT
up
0 recs
So let me get this straight...
Portland lucks out and gets maybe the second most coveted 1st pick in the last 10 years. That pick has knee surgery and misses his rookie year and Portland decides “Thats it. Trade him. I know he was supposed to me the next all NBA center but screw it he got hurt. Get rid of him”. Do you realize how stupid and impatient that sounds? And it’s not “trade him for another really good player like CPIII, Deron Williams, Wade, or some other big name. No. Trade him for a tweener big man, a euro that didn’t play at all last year and a rookie who is a complete question mark”
If you were the Blazers’ GM and you made that deal you would be fired.
I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.
by camwoody on
Jul 5, 2008 2:21 PM PDT
up
0 recs
It's not this injury
It’s injuries throughout high school and college. And that’s not why they would do it. I forgot to add brandon wright but he was also included. The point is you get a guy that almost averaged a double double in 25 minutes of play and is getting better, a guy who has the 3rd highest upside in the nba draft, a sharp 3-point shooter who has not been given a chance, an explosive power foward, 2 first round picks, and frees up 3-5 million dollars. I wouldn’t be suprised if they took that
According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis
by montasmob69 on
Jul 5, 2008 4:02 PM PDT
up
0 recs
Funny.
You act like the Blazers don’t know that he is Hakeem 2.0 as you put it. It’s not that big of a secret that only you know.
Again, if the Warriors would be willing to gamble on his so called poor health, then tell me why Blazers wouldn’t? You can’t just throw dookie at an easel and call it art.
The Blazers knew about the injuries and still took Oden over Durant. They obviously feel that after they nurse all his ailments to health he is going get every shot to dominate for them.
by misterjennings on
Jul 5, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
up
0 recs
So...
if his injuries are such a concern that Portland would trade him before he even played a game for them, then why did they draft him in the first place?
But if it is not the injuries that are the reason they would trade him, let me ask you a question. Let’s go back in time and assume that you are the GM of the Spurs. You just drafted David Robinson. He won’t play for you until his service time is up so you don’t have him for a while. The year after you draft him a team comes to you and says, “we will trade you Jim Paxton, Ed Pickney, Brian Shaw and Joe Klien for your rookie center that hasn’t played a game yet and might not for a while.
Would you have taken that trade? Now I am not saying that Belinelli, Beans, Randolph, or Wright are going to have the same careers as those guys I am just saying that they are relative unknowns.
Oden, just like Robinson is predictied to be one of the most dominating centers in the game. Why would the Blazers trade that kind of talent for unknowns?
I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.
by camwoody on
Jul 5, 2008 5:06 PM PDT
up
0 recs
I'd be shocked
Portland has plenty of depth, no need for them to trade away a stud for depth. this deal makes zero sense for Portland
by sam23 on
Jul 5, 2008 6:59 PM PDT
up
0 recs
-1000000% chance they do this.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on
Jul 5, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
up
0 recs
blazerfan here just to give you guys some perspective.....
Before the 2007 draft, LA offered us Kobe + Ariza for the #1 overall pick..(oden) packaged with Travis Outlaw.
We turned that down….....
That said, propositions like these are crazy. Oden gives a team a chance to compete for twelve to fifteen years. We didn’t trade him for Kobe (the best current player in the game) because his window was smaller. and because the role of franchise center role is so much harder to fill.
The only player i could realistically see the blazers trading oden for is Lebron James….because besides Kobe, he is the greatest in the game. And his window is upwards of ten years
by BroyTheTruth on
Jul 5, 2008 10:05 PM PDT
up
0 recs
You wouldn’t trade Oden for Dwight Howard straight up? I don’t know…
by belilaugh on
Jul 6, 2008 12:06 AM PDT
up
0 recs
I'm a Blazer fan too
I bet KP would look long and hard at that trade, but do you think the Magic would go for it? I don’t.
@('.')@
by JTDuck22 on
Jul 6, 2008 9:26 AM PDT
up
0 recs
Dwight Howard......
Now that you say that, i would have to think long and hard about it. But i wouldn’t trade oden for him befor giving greg the chance to succeed.
granted…dwight howard is a beast man. he really is…From what i’ve seen, he makes men look like boys
its just that, oden has the physical tools that surpass even howard. crazy, i know…
But look at Greg next to howard. Oden looks down at him. He also has the defensive presence to render howard inneffective.
just to sum up….there is no way the blazers trade greg oden…..
by BroyTheTruth on
Jul 6, 2008 7:55 PM PDT
up
0 recs
Oh, KP would take Howard for Oden, no question...
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on
Jul 7, 2008 8:33 AM PDT
up
0 recs
Just to summarize
1. Biedres will never evolve into the type of big man that wins championships.
2. Oden is Hekeem Olajuwon 2.0.
3. Despite this obvious discrepancy, Portland somehow will want to make this trade, because of injury concerns.
4. Oden has supposedly been working out over three days a week and is in great shape.
5. It wouldn’t be surprising to see Portland make this deal.

Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 5, 2008 4:58 PM PDT 0 recs
Yeah I'm glad I'm getting some mileage out of this

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
by Dheepan on
Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM PDT
up
1 recs
Greg Oden sucks
You can have him.
President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 5, 2008 6:40 PM PDT 0 recs
GO
The Blazers would never even consider trading Oden.
by blaze jose' on Jul 5, 2008 6:55 PM PDT 0 recs
so fail
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 5, 2008 8:11 PM PDT 0 recs

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 5, 2008 8:11 PM PDT 0 recs

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 5, 2008 8:12 PM PDT 0 recs
uhhh
is this the type of garbage that gets posted on this GSOM?
Hey, why not throw B-roy into that proposal just so GS doesnt get completely screwed in that trade?
FYI, RLEC (raef lafrentz expiring contract) is an asset because of the cap room he is going to create.
James Jones is on his way back to the red and black
We would never trade GO, especially not for anything the warriors have
travis outlaw is running out of time? Do I even need to respond to that?
I hate you
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 5, 2008 10:51 PM PDT 0 recs
GSoM, ignore this man
he has been reading for a couple weeks, and posting for less, and it is all in the same insulting, aggressive tone. Blazers Edge readers know that GSoM is a quality blog, that you have intelligent, fervent fans. We get trade ideas like this, too: until a few days ago, it was various bank jobs we could pull on New Orleans to net CP3. Team mania can lead to wishful thinking.
I hope Monta blossoms with the new responsibilities – he certainly torched us last year.
Question: does the Beards departure make Stephen Jackson the team leader? How do you feel about that? To a casual observer, he seems passionate but erratic, willing to lead down the stretch and take big shots, but what about 48min/82games? Not to mention the practices in between. Who do you see as a team leader next year?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
by Honka Playboy on
Jul 5, 2008 11:29 PM PDT
up
0 recs
about jax
it’s worrisome, honestly, it is. he really did step up when named captain, but we had boom there to take media duty and play with a much more controlled fire. i think it would be phenomenal if jackson could show monta the ropes of on the floor intimidation and help him grow a legit mean streak. that might help his d. right now, leadership and point guard play are clearly our two main issues as a team. i think that jackson rises to the occasion for the first part of the year, certainly, but what about when the team loses sight of the playoffs (an inevitability without significant additions)? of course, during the ‘malice’ the pacers were a really good team, so winning isn’t necessarily what keeps him on track. it could just be trust. once it became clear that everyone was in his corner, jax never made me nervous. so, let’s give that trust to him and hope he takes the next step forward and becomes the undisputed leader. at least for the time being.
by cap'n hack on
Jul 5, 2008 11:55 PM PDT
up
0 recs
Im sorry
It was jus an idea. I know it sounds far fetched but crazy things happen. And FYI I have been a pretty active member f GSOM for over 6 months so please talking when you don’t know what your saying. I thought it wasn’t a great trade for the blazers, but you would aquire some real good talent and 2 draft picks as well. And yo answer Pippenainteasy, outlaw is not running out of time in his career, but he has been given multiple chances to prove himself and has failed. So I did mess up but I’d perfer either funny pictures of fail like the mcdonalds one or constructive critism. There is no need to be a douche pipenainteasy
According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis
by montasmob69 on
Jul 6, 2008 12:13 AM PDT
up
0 recs
i think
honka was addressing his remark to pippen, who whenever i go through a blazersedge post, has something obnoxious and meanspirited to say. nothing in your post was “insulting or aggressive.”
by cap'n hack on
Jul 6, 2008 12:17 AM PDT
up
0 recs
oh
Well once again, sorry for the bad idea. I didn’t have much to do, but I’ll think of something much much better soon. But hey, atleast my article brought in a few bloggers from outside the bay. Get ready for Dwight Howard for Wright and Marco
According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis
by montasmob69 on
Jul 6, 2008 12:21 AM PDT
up
0 recs
No need to apologize
Honka Playboy put it perfectly: “Team mania can lead to wishful thinking.” (And yes, when he said “ignore this guy,” he clearly meant Pippen).
Personally, I apologize for contributing to the hatefest. I sometimes get unduly cranky when I hear trade proposals like this, not just because they’re “unrealistic,” but because I think they sometimes reflect a kind of self-absorption, or lack of respect for other NBA fans. But yeah, insulting is never called for (unless you’ve been insulted first ;-)).
Anyway, mm69, props for seeing the silliness of the proposal, and for trying to do better.
On the trade itself: I dunno, the implication from some Blazers fans here that Oden is the most valuable commodity in the NBA is almost as silly as the trade proposal itself. We’re talking about an injury-prone defensive specialist who’s never played a minute in the NBA, and whose wobbly gait Bill Simmons likened to Fred Sanford’s. In terms of value, he’s not in the same freaking universe as LeBron James (who almost single-handedly knocked off the eventual NBA champs); and I’d rank him well below Howard, Amare, CP3 and Deron as well (obviously he’s not in Duncan or KG’s universe either, but I’m ignoring the over 30 crowd). He could well be a perennial All-Star, but he could also be an inury-plagued version of Dikembe Mutombo.
Yes, I would gladly flip AB for GO because of Oden’s scary upside (particularly defensively), but I don’t think it’s at all beyond the realm of possibility that Andris Biedrins has a longer, better, more productive NBA career than Greg Oden. Get back to us when Oden posts a PER of 19.2 in the NBA at age 21.
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on
Jul 6, 2008 4:41 AM PDT
up
0 recs
yeah, we will get back to you
trust me, Oden will prove all the haters wrong, just wait and see. As far as being injury prone, he’s had the mis fortune of 2 freak injuries (we’re not talking soft crap like sprained ankles and pulled hamstrings). A broken wrist and freak injury don’t make him injury prone, they make him unlucky. As far as that crap Simmons said, let’s be honest here. He was a little bitter about his beloved Celtics tanking for no reason and was trying to talk himself into believing Oden was over rated. Have you heard anyone say that in the past year? No, because it was total crap.
myspace.com/marktwainindians
by mark twain on
Jul 6, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
up
0 recs
I didn't noticed any hate
in his post. The fact is that you can’t say how good GO is going to be until he plays at least half of a season, season or two (and even then is not certain) in the NBA.
by buky on
Jul 6, 2008 2:01 PM PDT
up
0 recs
"Trust me"
I always love that one. Who are you again? Sorry, dude, call me a skeptic, but I don’t believe in self-styled Nostradamuses, least of all ones whose crystal balls are clouded by fanboyish zeal. Oden might prove the so-called “haters” wrong (by haters you presumably mean “anyone who isn’t 100% sure he’s the next Bill Russell”) or he might not. Period.
As far as Simmons’ quote: yeah, let’s be honest. Simmons is one of the savviest hoops analysts around, and he was skeptical of Oden (and ga-ga over Durant) long before the Cs struck out in the draft. It had nothing to with “bitterness.” Here’s what he wrote after the micro-fracture surgery (NB: this was after the KG trade, which obviously left no Celtics fan any reason in the world any reason to be bitter):
It’s not like this story came out of the blue. Heading into the draft, there were concerns about Oden’s long-term physical health and the fact his legs were different sizes. After his predraft physical with Portland, rumors spread that the Blazers were concerned about his knees, followed by a round of stories that they weren’t concerned at all. I believed at the time the Oden-Durant thing was so close, ANY potential physical concerns should have swung the choice to Durant; that’s one of the reasons I kept writing last June that Durant should be Portland’s pick. Everyone kept writing Oden was a sure thing; if anything, Durant was the sure thing. He has a chance to become one of the greatest offensive players ever. That’s his ceiling. We’ve never seen anyone remotely like him. Throw in his competitiveness and flair for the dramatic and I probably wrote more words arguing Durant’s case than anything I’ve ever written for ESPN.com. Even for the team Portland had, Durant was the logical pick—the Blazers could have kept Zach Randolph and played Durant at small forward instead of stupidly giving Randolph away.There should’ve been no debate in June: Kevin Durant was the sure thing in the 2007 draft.
From Portland’s viewpoint, what worried me was Oden wasn’t entirely a basketball decision. Clearly, his gregarious personality played a huge role - the Blazers even said so - and when he hammed it up at a local parade after the draft, you could see why they picked him. After the whole Jail Blazers debacle, they spent the next few years trying to upgrade the character of their team. Hence, the curious Martell Webster pick (sixth in the ‘05 draft???), the Brandon Roy/LaMarcus Aldridge picks (and the team shying away from Ty Thomas); the Randolph trade; Steve Francis’ buyout and everything else. It’s not like Durant is a bad guy - he’s actually a good guy, just shy and uncomfortable with the press - but Oden’s deadpan wit and constant smile off the court made him a more seductive pick for a franchise that was desperately trying to win back the citizens of Portland. Supposedly, they were also attracted to Oden because he’s a loyal person who didn’t care where he played, whereas Durant’s motives were tougher to peg. In four years, if Durant evolved into a superstar and had the words of the wrong agent in his ear, would he bail on Portland to play for a big market? Could they take that chance?
So, Greg Oden was the “safe” pick.
Here’s the irony of the whole thing: You know who would have won the good people of Portland back and gotten them excited about basketball again? A kick-ass superstar like Kevin Durant. That’s why the Blazers should have taken the most talented player. And everything that happened after the draft helped Durant’s case: Oden looked terrible in the summer league and dropped out of the Olympic tryouts because of exhaustion (a dubious reason for someone who’s 19; we should have known right there). Meanwhile, Durant got better and better in summer league and knocked everyone’s socks off during the Olympic tryouts, including a jaw-dropping performance in the Blue-White scrimmage on TV. Even before the story broke about Oden’s surgery, I was 100 percent convinced Portland would regret passing on Durant. We’ll see 20 more Odens before we see another Durant.
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on
Jul 6, 2008 3:25 PM PDT
up
0 recs
ahahahahahah
yeah what a genius that guy is
“could have kept zach randolph instead of stupidly giving him away”
Id like to hear his thoughts on that today. Or better yet, ask the knicks how much they love z-bo.
durant + randolph < G.O. + Frye
that guy sure is savvy. I would give anything to get randolph back.
I see parallels to some d-bag claiming oden is a bust, and some other d-bag claiming that he is Bill Russell. Neither are correct right now.
by PippenAintEasy on
Jul 6, 2008 3:35 PM PDT
up
0 recs
Well, yeah
The dude spills so much ink writing about the NBA of course he’s going to come up with his share of calls that are laughably bad in hindsight. The Z-Bo comment is one of those bad calls; and the “once in a generation” stuff about Durant may be one too.
All I’m saying is the fact that a smart, objective hoops analyst has serious questions about Oden should shed some doubt on his future, unless you’re a rabid fanboy. As you say, right now it’s wrong to predict bust or boom with 100% certainty.
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on
Jul 6, 2008 3:49 PM PDT
up
0 recs
...
and its even wronger to have predicted feast or famine a year ago, coupling that with saying that randolph is awesome.
I can not get passed him saying the blaze should have kept z-bo, its not like that was a prediction, all the facts were there. He sucked, he was a little baby, he played no defense, and he had a massive contract. And this d-bag still said they should have kept him. All credibility is lost.
by PippenAintEasy on
Jul 6, 2008 5:11 PM PDT
up
0 recs
OK, then.
One misguided judgment renders everything BSG has written before or since invalid. It also makes him a “d-bag.”
“All credibiity is lost,” indeed. Honka Playboy’s advice is duly noted.
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on
Jul 6, 2008 6:26 PM PDT
up
0 recs
“Trust me” is almost as good as the guarantees about the outcome of hypothetical situations.
I guarantee if the Blazers drafted Durant instead of Oden that it would snow chocolate ice cream in Burbank all winter long, David Stern would grow 2 feet and enter the league as a player himself, and Mickael Pietrus would have led the league in A:TO ratio. Trust me on that one.
by jae on
Jul 6, 2008 3:49 PM PDT
up
0 recs
Please do not use Bill Simmons to validate ANY Oden vs Durant argument
The guy is totally irrational, and doesn’t know shit about rating college basketball prospects.
by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 6, 2008 7:37 PM PDT
up
0 recs
Congratulations.
You managed to make my jaw drop. I think it’s completely unhinged.
by premthegrem on Jul 6, 2008 12:20 AM PDT 0 recs
portland
they dont want rudolph, or they would have taken him, they dont want biedrins, they already have soft big men, they dont need picks, since they have a full team, there is absolutely no incentive for them, plus theyd be giving up cap space. there is no way that this deal would even make it to KP’s desk, he puts all deals involving Greg Oden on hold with elevator music, and never picks up
by blackandwite323 on Jul 6, 2008 1:00 AM PDT 0 recs
I’m sorry but I can only imagine the 12 year old behind the computer screen writing out this troll post. This is the kind of kid who plays NBA live just to trade his entire crappy roster for all stars. There is no player in the league the Blazers would trade Greg Oden for right now. Your insulting Warriors fans and Blazer fans with this terrible joke of a post.
Some helpful advice for the future, learn what a paragraph is. Your writing is unbearable to look at.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 6, 2008 1:05 AM PDT 0 recs
we get it
the piling on from all the blazersedge folks is getting old. the guy acknowledged that the trade could never happen and then actually APOLOGIZED for it. there is no reason to keep up the internet thug junk.
and the blazers wouldn’t trade oden for lebron or howard? c’mon, that’s absurd.
by cap'n hack on
Jul 6, 2008 1:16 AM PDT
up
0 recs
Without seeing how good he is
I can safely say we would trade him for Lebron or Dwight.
President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.
by Sabonis4Ever on
Jul 6, 2008 10:26 AM PDT
up
0 recs
Howard can’t get his team far in the playoffs in the east, and Lebron is a one man show. I think Lebron is a maybe, but we already have Brandon Roy. Adding a big man is easier on chemistry than Lebrick.
The guy is trolling. He said Outlaw failed to prove himself? Yeah the guy hit multiple game winners, one sparking a 13 game winning streak. He sent games into over time many times with clutch shots, and preserved wins with nice defense. This is the most ill informed Warriors fans I’ve ever seen.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 6, 2008 1:23 AM PDT 0 recs
"lebron is a maybe, but we already have brandon roy"
my mistake, i forgot that brandon roy, mj incarnate, was on the blazers. and as for howard, neither of his knees are a question mark and has absolutely dominated most competition he’s faced. i’m not saying oden will flop because of the injuries, far from it, i think he’ll be a franchise guy, but before he’s played a minute in the nba and has been sidelined for one and a half of the past two seasons, i guess i’d say howard, already a franchise guy, is the safer bet.
by cap'n hack on
Jul 6, 2008 1:31 AM PDT
up
0 recs
LeBron is a "maybe."
Classic. Try proposing an Oden-for-LeBron deal on a Cavs board and see what kid of response you get. Somehow “Lebrick” almost single-handledly took this year’s eventual NBA champs to the brink of elimination.
More than ever, the NBA is about athleticism, versatility, and speed. Needless to say, LeBron is off the charts in these areas. He’s unguardable. The same Celtics who were able to lock down and nullify Kobe Bryant in the finals were at wit’s end against LeBron.
And this is without getting into those dreaded “intangibles”: drive, clutchness, star quality, leadership, what have you. At age 23. LeBron, has repeatedly shown that whatever fire rages in the bellies of Bird, Magic, MJ, Kobe, et al. rages in him too, no less wildly. Wake us when Greg Oden shows even a flicker of that fire.
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on
Jul 6, 2008 5:07 AM PDT
up
0 recs
Yeah
and remember who saved them in that game? PJ BROWN!!!
by buky on
Jul 6, 2008 2:05 PM PDT
up
0 recs
Er, what?
You don’t think LeBron and his four cloned twins could handle Roy and Oden?
Let’s put it this way: in a 2 on 2 death match I’d gladly put my money on LeBron and his one cloned twin over Oden and Roy. The three other James twins could just sell nachos.
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on
Jul 6, 2008 4:10 PM PDT
up
0 recs
Hey dude, I'm from the BEdge too
and this may not be the greatest trade proposal ever, we post a bunch of horrible ideas also. You don’t need to be putting other people down for thinking of a trade they might think will land them Greg Oden. Come back to Blazersedge and stop being mean to the fine guys at GSOM.
@('.')@
by JTDuck22 on
Jul 6, 2008 9:35 AM PDT
up
0 recs
What?
If he was trolling, why wouldn’t he have posted this on BE instead of GSOM?
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!
by rockingharder on
Jul 6, 2008 11:36 AM PDT
up
0 recs
Brandon Roy is a player with a player that can do it all, makes everyone on his team better, and has leaderships skills beyond his years. In just his second year he was in the All Star game. This guy just seems to get better and better as he gets more experience. Where as Lebron doesn’t have good defense, can’t shoot a FT or make a jump shot.
We all saw Lebron get swept in the finals however and he can’t shoot free throws or shoot a jump shot. The qualities in Brandon Roy’s game may not be on ESPN top highlights and he isn’t the flashiest player, but he gets the win.
Now you bring up Dwight who is a very good player already, but Oden is being compared to players much better than Dwight. On top of that Oden is stronger and has some college experience. Oden is well worth the “gamble”.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 6, 2008 2:07 AM PDT 0 recs
So LeBron gets less credit for makign the Finals with a cast of nobodys
But Brandon Roy gets all the credit in the world for leading the Blazers to….the 1st overall pick and 41 wins?
by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 6, 2008 9:22 AM PDT
up
0 recs
dwight is more than a very good player
he has a fair shot at ending up as one of those 30-17 guys over the course of multiple seasons. but, man, you bring up some stuff in every post that makes me feel embarrassed about the oversight. oden’s half a season in college is certainly more valuable than howard’s few seasons in the nba. that ocean of college experience that greg has was never tapped by dwight. so, since dwight never went to college, he is clearly less talented.
as for the “stronger” bit, does anyone have anything to suggest that oden is stronger than howard? oden doesn’t look weak, but it seems like dwight howard might be able to play catch with small cars. man’s a beast.
oh and one more on the lebron thing. i watched that cavs-blazers game. lebron DESTROYED roy in the fourth, just dismantled the guy. you felt sorry for him. out of his depth. cleveland down double digits in the forth until lebron realizes that he’s way better than roy and should just win the game on his own. no assistance required. but if roy’s on your team, why would you want lebron?
by cap'n hack on
Jul 6, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
up
0 recs
Sorry,
I mean LeBron is at the stage of stardom where people look for negatives, and once they find them, they overexaggerate them. Like “LeBron has no defense” for example.
LeBron may be on Sportscenter and be flashy, but does that make him any less effective?
And no offense but what has Brandon Roy won exactly? Don’t get me wrong I love watching him play but he hasn’t won anything compared to James.
by belilaugh on
Jul 6, 2008 11:37 AM PDT
up
0 recs
dude, are you freaking kindding me?
LeBron could easily be the only player to match Oscar Robertson’s feat of averaging a triple double throughout the season. The only guy that came close to doing that was Magic Johnson, and you know who LeBron was compared to coming out of high school? You guessed it, Magic Johnson. Would you rather have a guy in Oden who has never played a single game, but MIGHT become the next Bill Russell, or would you rather have a guy in LBJ who is 24 years old, led his team to the NBA finals in his 4th year, and almost beat the current champions in a close game 7? And you compare him with Brandon Roy? The guys aren’t in the same league, man, although I hope Roy eventually gets to that level. You’re statement barely makes sense using the disparity in # of years in the NBA (Roy with 2 compared to Lebron’s 5), but you need to remember that Roy came to the NBA after 3 (or was it 4) years in college, and their ages are almost exactly the same. Meanwhile, Dwight is a guaranteed 20-10 player, while Oden is, as you said, PROJECTED to be great. That doesn’t equal the truth, man. Remember Kwame Brown?
by premthegrem on
Jul 6, 2008 12:29 PM PDT
up
0 recs
obviously
you’d take lebron over oden, and roy is not lebron, I love him, but he’s not lebron, if you watch them head to head you can see the differences very clearly.
I do agree the only person you’d trade oden for is Lebron, that may be homerism, but it’s also because of the way the blazers are constructed. Wouldn’t trade for cp3 because Roy needs the ball, nor for Kobe, nor for any of the older superstars. The blazers window is looooong – even if Oden never plays. The potential there is pretty amazing so yeah, nobody but Lebron.
by begottenson on
Jul 6, 2008 12:57 PM PDT
up
0 recs
answer this premthegrem
and be honest…. who do you see winning a championship first, roy or james?
by PippenAintEasy on
Jul 6, 2008 1:08 PM PDT
up
0 recs
wouldn't the better question be
who would the blazers with a title with faster? fair to say that jordan farmar might win a title before chris paul, but if you asked the lake show: farmar for paul, straight up, i think you know what the answer would be.
by cap'n hack on
Jul 6, 2008 1:15 PM PDT
up
0 recs
+1
My point exactly. Now PAE, don’t jump on cap’n hack for using Jordan Farmar to represent Roy in his analogy, we know the talent gap between farmar and paul is much larger than roy and james, but the idea is the same.
by premthegrem on
Jul 6, 2008 3:55 PM PDT
up
0 recs
Here's a better question...
Do you think Oden or James would bring a championship sooner to Portland? Or how bout this..if you traded Roy for James, do you think we could have won the championship last year? I think we could have.
by premthegrem on
Jul 6, 2008 3:57 PM PDT
up
0 recs
now by we...
ill assume you mean the blazers. And my answer is no. Roy is the reason for the chemistry situation that is happening in portland. If Lebron was traded straight up for roy, portland would become the next Cleveland. Roy fits better with this team because this is a team, not a one man circus. Lebron is gifted, cant argue that, but he will win exactly zero championships. He is better than roy one-on-one every time. But a Roy-type player wins a lot more championships than a lebron-type player.
give me roy over lebron any day
by PippenAintEasy on
Jul 6, 2008 5:34 PM PDT
up
0 recs



