A Quiet 4th of July Weekend [SFGate]

"If nothing happens between Elton Brand and the Warriors, which is still the likeliest scenario, don't expect Golden State to turn around and hand out another huge offer to an outside free agent. As one team source told me, the plan is to "take our time" sorting through the rest of the market.

Josh Smith? Sources inside and outside the organization say he's not on the Warriors' radar.

Corey Maggette? The Warriors like him, but not at much more than the mid-level exception.

Andre Iguodala? Even if the Warriors went after him, (which I'm not sure they will), his restricted status is a big hurdle."
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How can Josh Smith NOT be on the Warriors' radar? It's good to see the Warriors aren't going to foolishly break the bank for Maggette, but not even taking a shot at Iggy is pretty questionable. Until proven otherwise, cap space for loser teams without star power to draw other big names or a winning tradition is meaningless.

I think we'll "take our time" renewing our season tickets this year too.

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The JSmooth tidbit is curious/depressing

If true. Talk about a guy born to play for Nellie. Maybe the NBA has an unspoken quota on left-handed forwards?

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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2008 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

As I’ve said, no offers are official yet. We’re working with rumor mill, nothing more.

Offers to restricted free agents aren’t without some cost to the organization. If the deal is going to be matched, it ties up the cap space in the mean time meaning that another offer isn’t possible in the time. A RFA as a primary target is a high risk, low reward move. There’s also a general, although not universal agreement to not put up offers that are going to be matched because it makes things messy for both parties without really producing a concrete gain for the team making the first offer. If there’s a potential for an UFA, you make those phonecalls first. If there’s a trade, you make those offers first before digging in to be matched in a week’s time.

But mostly, I’d caution all to avoid reading too much into what “sources” are saying, especially about the Warriors operations. Management can’t say who they are or are not interested in at this point, by rules of the CBA. “Sources” about the Warriors are notoriously bad since Nelson arrived. Richardson traded without warning (actually, counter to what Mullin said), Dun-Murphy trade came out of the blue, Belinelli drafted when no one really saw him on the radar, and none of the so-called “targets” wound up being drafted this year. What the media is saying about Iggy or Smith doesn’t mean that much. Plenty of real reasons to question Warrior management. There’s no reason to invent false ones.

by jae on Jul 7, 2008 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think jae laid out the parameters well. That said, I agree with others that Mullin is at least putting out feelers for Josh Smith. He is an awesome talent, only a couple of years older than Beasley/Rose, with a very good NBA track record and is tailor made for Nellie ball. At the same time, he has his downsides (attitude) and will have to be overpaid in order to sign with the Warriors – somewhere around what Baron would have made ($17 mill). That ’s the only way to land a coveted RFA. Overpay him to the extent that his current team thinks it isn’t worth matching.

And as jae points out, during the process of offfering a restricted RFA contract, the Warriors would be frozen from using that money otherwise, until the Hawks decide or not to match the offer. I think that could take a week or two.

So, I see Mullin wieghing in with Smith’s agent as to his interest of signing with the Warriors for a big number and to get some sense whether or not Atlanta would match it. If that seems too risky, I could see the Warriors just going ahead and signing Maggette maybe for something like 4 year/$35 million. That would still give them room to pursue another non-star FA or RFA, maybe Josh Childress.

I thought John Hollinger mentioned an interesting scenario. The Warriors have the room to take Vince Carter off of NJ’s hands in a salary dump deal, which probably wouldn’t cost more than a 2nd round pick. It would be sort of like a trade, Baron for Carter. Not sure if the Warriors would want to or should do that, but it’s an interesting idea.

by San Francisco Slim on Jul 7, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't mind renting Vince Carter for three years...

He is a fairly good ball handler to pair up with Jax & Monta and may be able to revitalize his career here w/ Golden State. My biggest concern is his desire to play. He is not that far from the elite player he used to be, but he doesn’t seem to have the drive to get back up there. That would be the biggest risk, considering the amount of money that would be tied up through his contract. Do you think Carter would be able to pull things together to become a franchise type of player again?

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good call on V. Carter

That’s my take on Carter as well. His numbers aren’t down much from his prime and watching him play, he still seems to be able to do what he wants to on the court. It wasn’t so much Carter who dropped off for the Nets, it was Kidd (terrible deal by Dallas).

But Carter is a superstar who coasts. Remember how he mailed it in with Toronto in order to force a trade and then played brilliantly that same year with the Nets? I think Nellie, along with the competition of the West, could revive him for a year. The question would be whether his salary would be a liability a year or two down the road.

by San Francisco Slim on Jul 7, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trade Proposal...

The numbers work on this trade and my brother says Fitz & Brooks tossed this idea from an email I wrote to them this morning…

Carter, Yi AND/or Marcus Williams for Harrington (one foot out the door already) & SJax. Throw in a pick here and there, say Warriors pick up a future #1 for their own future #2 pick or vice versa. I can see NJ parting with one of the two young players, but two may be a stretch. But if they can get both, the Warriors starting line up could look like this…

PG: William/Ellis
SG: Ellis/Carter
SF: Carter/Yi
PF: Yi/Wright
C: Wright/BIedrins

Bench: One from above plus, Belinelli, Randolph, Hendrix. Hopefully they can resign Buike & Watson & Perovic (please DO NOT resign Barnes) and pick up a serviceable big man thru free agency.

What would hurt is trading SJax, but the Warriors seemed poised with a youth movement. I don’t see where Mully or the Warriors are going with signing Brand, and signing Magettee would be a huge mistake, especially if he receives more than the MLE. Warriors would have to suck it up and take on Vince’s contract for a couple more years while NJ would “compete” for the next two then have enough cap space to sign not ONE, but TWO free agents of the 2010 class (Bron, Wade…. even YAO).

This trade is a stretch, but if the Warriors are going to pick up a player, they minus well get rid of players that don’t seem to have a future with the team (emotionally & financially—SJax can be a player that the Warriors will financially not want to keep when his contract runs out).

Their biggest need right now is POINT GUARD, not POWER FORWARD. And if they can’t land Brand, which is still hard to fathom, the only team out there with young players to trade for is NJ. Forget all this talk about sign and trades with Monta & the Knicks. They don’t have any valuable assets, and the ones they do have, they don’t want to part with. That is why NJ looks like a good trading partner. It’s a gamble, but we could possibly find our PG replacement.

How about giving Shaun Livington a shot too???

by GState21 on Jul 7, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I kinda like it...

it sounds like a very logical move maybe Mullin is thinking about this as well..

“The numbers work on this trade and my brother says Fitz & Brooks tossed this idea from an email I wrote to them this morning…”

They said this on air?

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i like your thinking

i really like this scenario and the team we would create. i would prefer a staring lineup of
pg: williams / sg: ellis / sf: carter / pf: wright / c: biedrins with yi coming off the bench as well.

i dunno if it is a good idea to create a new fanpost with this idea, because personally i think its genius and all GSOMers should see this. the only concern i have is if new jersey would do it because it seems like they want to go young also… regardless—mullin get it done!

and as i’ve said many times, i would love to take a flyer on shaun livingston

by gogoldenbears on Jul 8, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dont you watch baskeball?

Vinces knees are SHOT! He has lost alot of his hops and is not a top guard or small forward anymore.

by smearthebeard on Jul 9, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Definitely right I couldn’t agree with you more.

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Not on the radar"

I can see other comments, but how can Mullie and Co NOT have Smith on the radar?

He’s a nasty fit in the Dubs system, can probably be had for somewhat close to his worth ($12m should pull him away, possibly even with a smaller yearly increase like 5% or flat).

While I’d prefer Iggy by a long-shot, not having J-Smoove on the radar worries me a great deal

by dprodigy19 on Jul 7, 2008 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

how can Mullie and Co NOT have Smith on the radar?

Probably cause they’d have to pay him too much to come here when he has better situations available to him? Atlanta is rising so he should stay there, the shopping around is probably just for show. Without Boom or Jrich we don’t have as much charisma to attract a good player so we’d have to offer more money.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 7, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That and Smith is just not a franchise player

He’s a great defensive player, no doubt about it. But he’s not someone that you give huge money to because of his offensive limitations. With Atlanta’s ability to match and Philadelphia’s interest in Josh Smith, the Warriors are taking the smart road in not going after him.

As for Iguodala, I would love to see him in a Warriors jersey. Nuff said.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That and

usually you throw money at players who can lead your team to the next level. Josh Smith is a very reliable starter as been proven in his young age. He’s a budding star but is more of a complimentary to THE star rather then being THE star on the team… if you get what I’m saying… Iguodala would be a great addition to the Warriors, but as everyone has said, waiting it out and letting everything just finish itself through the 9th may be the best option… No need to waste money and a lot of people are desperate to see the Warriors pull something big… but it’s just not necessary to gamble like that. Mullin & Co know what they’re doing.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

J-Smoov

is only 22….I wouldnt be so quick to say he’s not a franchise guy. I’d prefer Iggy too, but certainly wouldnt mind watching Smith next year.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well ill say it

JOSH SMITH WILL NEVER BE A FRANCHISE GUY

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Please define "franchise."

All star?

PER over 20?

Best player on a bad team?

Best player on a winning team?

Player capable of winning a championship with a bunch of role players as supporting cast?

BTLBJ? (Better than LeBron James?)

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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok will do

He will never be the main star that would win you a Championship

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Player capable of winning a championship with a bunch of role players as supporting cast?"

That one.

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I should have worded it better my bad...

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

who are your franchise players around the league?

by that definition there aren’t many and none of the current warriors nor was baron a franchise player. and i agree with that definition. a franchise player should be someone you can build a team around to win a championship.

so out of curiosity, who are your franchise players?

by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 7, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Players such as

Joe Johnson
Paul Pierce
LeBron James
Dwight Howard
Brandon Roy
Chris Paul
Amare Stoudamire
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Elton Brand

And youre absolutely right imo that The Warriors have never really had a franchise player that could lead them to a Championship.

What I’m getting to is that to me as much as I love Josh Smith’s game and athleticism… he seems to be limited and you cannot teach finesse or shooting touch… hell LeBron will never find that pure shot because he’s just not that player… and I really don’t see Josh Smith becoming a big star enough to even lead a team to a playoff series…

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

IMO

Hes not worth being the highest paid player on any team.

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

and i don’t agree with jeppalepala very often. Josh Smith, as many of fans and sports analysts believe is made for Nellie-ball, has absolutely no handles and does not initiate offense on his own.

I haven’t watched a whole lot of him, but from what I got from the Boston series and whatever I could catch on NBA league pass, the dude scores most his point off put backs and set shots from deep. He’s still ‘young’ (or old depending on who you talk to on any specific day) but the guy has absolutely no right hand and needs to look down to dribble and make sure the ball is still there. I personally don’t think we need more guys that we have to consistently teach fundamentals too, tho im sure even the best pros need tips every day. but still.. i don’t think 80+ million for a few tight dunks is worth it.

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 7, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

AMEN!

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

YAHOO! lol yea I know what you mean DJ

I’ll try being more clear when I speak.

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Joe Johnson

is a franchise player but Josh Smith never will be?! I’m not gonna argue with the rest of the guys on that list, but if there are only 10 franchise players in the league capable of leading their teams to championships we might as well give up and wait til we ge lucky and land the #1 pick next time there is a LeBron caliber guy there.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's most definitely more

it’s just that those were at the top of my head.

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

well then who are they?

I’m not saying Smith certainly will be a franchise type guy, and he certainly has his flaws but there arent many 22 year olds without serious flaws in their game. Like sleepy said he has as good a shot as just about anybody that age to become a franchise player. I like Iggy much more, I’m not a huge J-Smoov fan, but your criticism seems a little extreme.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't really think it's that extreme at all...

in fact I’d say it’s pretty accurate but I would love to be wrong because originally I wanted the Warriors to draft him but he went a little higher than what I had expected… Of course but I mean its based again on the players dedication to the game you can’t just expect a player to get better… it’s based on what they want to accomplish and sure how many of us really know his dedication level? He does have attitude issue which have been stated a couple times on this blog so maybe he’ll improve maybe he’ll stay the same… I think the space to become a better player is very limited.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yea

the attitude issues actually concern me much more than his game. If it werent for his attitude and the fact that we already have a couple potentially similar players on the roster I’d be all in for Smith.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd say Iguodala

is a much safer bet as far as RFAs.

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh for sure

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

much less likely though

as I think the sixers feel the same way

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Warriors have never really had a franchise player that could lead them to a Championship

What about RickBarry?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 7, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

k cept him someone already mentioned that i think

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There’s quite a spread in ability and win production in that list. Johnson may look good in fantasy leagues, but he doesn’t add to a team’s win probability all that much. The rest of that group outshine him considerably.

Josh Smith hasn’t shown that he’s in the elite group, but he’s a step above Joe Johnson.

by jae on Jul 7, 2008 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Joe Johnson a franchise player?

Ya right! Exactly what has Joe won? Stats? Micahel Redd has better stats and is not a franchsie player. Brandon Roy? Not! Paul Pierce?
I guess as long as he has Garnett and ray Allen. Both franchise players using your criteria.

by smearthebeard on Jul 9, 2008 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that's my definition too.

The thing is, by that definition, nobody on the Warriors since Rick Barry, or possibly even Wilt Chamberlain, has been a franchise player. Not Mullin, not Hardaway, not Webber, not BD, and certainly not JRich or Monta Ellis.

I’d agree that Josh Smith probably won’t attain that level either, though I’d say he’s one of a 15-20 guys in the world under between age 20-22 that has a shot. Which is to say, I’d be perfectly happy if the Ws blew all their newfound $$$ on him, even if he’s a longshot for superstardom, and even if he brings our sum total of athletic, lefthanded frontcourt players to four.

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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We could inspire a whole new fanbase!!!

“Come to the LEFT coast”

Or something. Open up one of Flanders’ Lefty stores. Wooo!!!

Yeah, Josh Smith is a great young player. Just because he hasn’t reached his potential yet doesn’t mean he won’t. He’s 22! Give him a break. I don’t think anybody here is offering 5 years/95M. But if he could be had for 3/35 or 4/48 I think it’d be a decent investment. Probably slightly more than he’s worth now, but not long term, and if he gets better it’s definitely worth it.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is kind of amazing

I mean, the last prominent lefty big man I can remember was the Admiral, and before that Artis Gilmore and Bob Lanier. That’s three in my lifetime (feel free to add any I’m omitting). What are the chances of four, all similar in age, appearing in the same frontcourt at the same time? One in 1.8 quadrillion?

Of course, it probably wouldn’t be total coincidence, given that one of the most prominent lefty swingmen of my lifetime also happens to be our GM…

I agree with you, though: the lefty thing has awesome marketing potential. One of the great things about Nellie Era II is how, for the first time in years — really, since Nellie Era I — the team was given a distinctive attitude and character. Nellie branded us. Like Ainge with this year’s Celtics, he played a freaking hand. Here, Mully would be playing a hand, too: the left one. The fact that all four big lefties happened to be preternaturally quick and athletic for their size would just be icing on the cake.

Meanwhile, I absolutely love “Left Coast” Warriors as a name/slogan, particularly in such a progressive state and city, and in an era where our next president, Barack Obama, will be not only lefty politically but also left-handed. (And hey, even if the other guy wins, he’s left-handed too).

Which reminds me: is anyone else bothered by the obnoxious, neofascist NewsMax slanders of Obama that often fill the adspace above the diary section here? I mean, WTF? On a site like this? I realize nothing I say these days carries much weight with the GSoM kids, but really, something oughta be done. Just say no to right-wing propaganda!

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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2008 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Sleepy

do you know anything about the New World Order?

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by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

HAHAHAHAHA!

Maybe he’ll put his classic train wreck photo’s those are ALWAYS classic… and super random!

by Tony.psd on Jul 8, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's think realistically...

Do you think Josh Smith is going to get only 3/35 or 4/48? He’ll definately be matched by ATL if its only that much. He’s gonna get overpaid to move.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thus the "if" in my comment

I agree with you that it’d almost certainly get matched. Just saying that’s about the limit of what I’d pay for him.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I saw the if...

Well if it would be plausible, then I’d be all for it. At that price tag, we’d still be able to find some formidable pg that can take the pressure off of Monta & Jax to make plays.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

smith not a franchise player?

i would of never thought that j-rich was until he started to develop an outside game. i never thought monta was until watching him grow this season. if smith can get a midrange game goin and be decent beyond the arc….he would really be hard to defend

i want a bike, like a beach cruiser of somthin like that - Baron Davis

by boomdizzle5 on Jul 7, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LIKE I SAID FOR SAM23

JOSH SMITH WILL NEVER BE A COMPLETE FRANCHISE GUY

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Capital letters just make you look like an a$$

They don’t convey your opinion any better than lower case or properly punctuated words.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps

but I like them so I did it.

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by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Put it this way...

If Josh Smith was the best player on your team… You will not win a championship… EVER.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

at 22 years old

a lot of people wouldve said that about Chauncey Billups too. Actually not just a lot of people…..EVERYONE.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

True but honestly

if you havn’t gotten down the basic mechanics of basketball at the age of 22 at that point… you really don’t have that much to left to grow imo… of course he could potentially get better… but that should have happened a while ago within the first 3 years in the league… you’re talking about dramatic advances in skills people such as LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony have made… I don’t think Josh Smith is capable of lifting his game to that level..

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

word

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 7, 2008 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chauncey Billups wasn't even the best player on that championship team!

Rip Hamilton basically put up similar numbers during that playoff run, and hit some clutch shots himself. That team was predicated on DEFENSE. I would NOT! expect Chauncey Billups to be the franchise player for the Warriors, or for any other team. He is a good player; efficient at what he does and he fits into the Detroit scheme of things very well…. but he would not thrive in any other type of system.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

so Rip Hamilton

is a franchise player in your opinion? Youre kinda making my point for me. We cant just wait til we land another Jordan/LeBron type, J-Smoov may not carry this team to a championship but maybe he could be a solid contributor on such a team. I’m not even a huge pro-Smith guy, I dont know how I got sucked into this argument as the “sign Smith” party. I dont want to see him here signed to a max or even close to max deal, but he certainly should be on our radar come wedensday.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not saying that Rip is a franchise player either.

Detroit was a great all-around team that thrived on the team mentality. Unfortunately, it is very rare to have a championship team w/o a superstar anchoring the ship. The Spurs had Duncan, the Bulls had Jordan, the Lakers had Shaq & Kobe, and to a lesser extent the 76ers had Iverson, the Jazz had Malone and the Kings had Webber.

And i’m not saying that Smith shouldn’t be on the radar. He is a great defensive player who is very energetic and can really be a key contributor to a championship caliber team. All I’m saying Smith is not a franchise player.

Let’s look at the type of pieces that you would need to build around Josh Smith: a player who would be able to create their own shot to free up the lane, a player who would be able to create a shot for him, a three point shooter to stretch the floor a little, other defensive minded players, because one great defender is just not enough (as evident in Marcus Camby, who is a GREAT defensive player, but can’t get his team to keep pace). Maybe the Warriors would be able to provide that (Monta, Jax, Beans & Nelson preaching that defense leads to faster offense), but I would not give him franchise player money in order to see if it would work.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Detroit Pistons were an exception… they won purely because of teamwork.

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They won because they had a rotation of above average players. It’s not like Billups, Wallace and Wallace, McDyess, Prince and Hamilton are nobodies. They’re all rather good players. They’re not necessarily the offensive dynamos that normally get top star billing, but all provide above average productivity. All do their part to raise the probability of wins, not just through ‘teamwork’ but by being good players on their own.

The NBA markets stars. They’ve freely admitted this because it gets ratings and sells merchandise. The NBA has effectively marketed the ‘star’ concept for so long it seems like people regard all non-stars as almost interchangeable. They aren’t.

by jae on Jul 7, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1 k i was lazy ill admit it

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by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

They would have said “Who?”

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree...

Josh Smith has the ability to hinder your offense to no end. He is a TO machine and although he does average 16 ppg, he can’t be trusted to do anything else but dunk and shoot a wide open jumper. His defense is sick, but that’s just like Chicago giving Ben Wallace a max deal. We all saw where that went. NOWHERE!

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did you really just compare Josh Smith to Ben Wallace?

That’s ridiculous. I’m not even going to qualify that argument with a counterpoint.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hes talking about

money and maximizing contracts to limited players I believe…

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by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Grr...

Ben Wallace is a truly limited player. That and he’s too old to learn new tricks. JSmoove is in no way shape or form a similar player to Ben Wallace. Sure they both play great defense, but that’s where the similarities end, and they don’t even play defense the same way.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow... Boston... Look....

You didn’t deserve much of a response for being very close-minded… but how much would you want the W’s to give Josh Smith that would be realistic enough to have him sign with the W’s? How much do you think Philly is willing to give Josh Smith, as they are actively pursuing?

Now factor in Atlanta’s ability to match any deal. Can you tell me how much more would it take for Josh Smith to sign an offer sheet with the W’s over the 76ers without having Atlanta just pull the rug out from underneath us and matching that offer? It would probably take a lot of money.

Now I’m not the smartest poster on here, but I think it would be safe to assume that if the Warriors were to offer Mr. Smith a large, Ben Wallace sized contract at 4 yrs/$60 mil, this team would not be able to thrive without bringing in a person who could set Smith up with wide open looks or other players to stretch the floor. Unfortunately, none of those players come cheap.

Now if you’re interested in investing a wealth of money and time into Josh Smith to see if he would work out with the Warriors, with his low FG% & FT% and high TO output, then you’re entitled to your own opinion. I would readily give Josh Smith the kind of contract that Marcus Camby got, but he’s not worth more than that in my opinion.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

scratch the low FG%

46% is decent… but for a player who plays around the rim as much as he does, its a little lower than what it should be.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You may have just meant “big contract” when you said “max deal” but they aren’t the same thing and Chicago didn’t give Wallace the maximum salary. They gave him a big, big contract, less than what Detroit could have offered. They also front loaded it, which is making it moderately less obscene in each successive season.

by jae on Jul 8, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah... I did see that

But that still doesn’t make Wallace’s contract any easier to swallow. Just looking at the figures and his productivity makes me shudder. It’s as bad as Erick Dampier’s $75 mil contract. I’m so glad that that’s the Mavs problem and not ours!

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

dont believe what you read

so many times mullin claims nothing is gonna go down and he does something that ALWAYS surprises us. nobody knew he would trade for baron, trade j-rich, and the trade for jack and harrington was not even mentioned anywhere and just happened. maybe mullin doesnt want the fans to expect too much this off season so he can surprise us once again

i want a bike, like a beach cruiser of somthin like that - Baron Davis

by boomdizzle5 on Jul 7, 2008 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

lol. so you want to jump off the wagon now and not buy season tickets? no faith? you dont believe?

other than that, i say it is wise to hold off. even with a big name free agent we’re not going to make a dent in the western conference playoff race. if anything 2-year contracts would be perfect.

by ejdacanay on Jul 7, 2008 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

where amazing happened

If we don’t get Jsmoov, fine, but I agree, We shoual at LEAST be looking at him. I like VC in the system as well. He can create shots fo others, and his three years is around how long we wanted Baron for. If we could steal williams as part of the deal, that’d be huge.

by hoophead on Jul 7, 2008 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

...

Josh Smith is not on our radar because we have Brandan Wright, who is in the same mold and plays the same position. Wright needs to be developed. J-Smoove is a very nice player, but getting him will not put you in the playoffs. Or anywhere near it. The West is waaaay too good right now to start getting cute. Besides, who wants to be a “dangerous 8-seed” anymore? The only reason to be involved in professional sports is to win championships. Money also, but there are much, much more lucrative business investments than owning a sports team.

In my mind there are two options for a sports franchise: either be putting a championship contender on the floor (Boston, LA, Spurs, Detroit, Utah, New Orleans) or be building towards putting a championship contender on the floor (Portland, Miami, New Jersey). Notice what Pat Riley did last year? When things got bad, he said screw it basically and held auditions for the Heat next year. He also collected ping pong balls and landed himself a player who in my opinion is a future multi time All-Star. Why chase victories unless they are in pursuit of a championship? Boston also has taught the league the valuable lesson of either being really good or really bad. Resigning Davis or getting Smith/ Iggy would mean 50-50 on playoffs and a pick from 12-17. Amazing does not happen there.

Beating Dallas was nice. I loved it. But I want to contend for/ win championships. And yes, this is a longtime Warriors fan who has been through it all saying it. To me, contending for championships is the only reason to play the game. Giving Baron 5 years 65 million would have not done that. Giving Josh Smith a huge contract will not do that. We have tons of young talent, let’s see what we got. Keep some the cap space and sign some players to small, short term contracts that can easily be traded. Maintain flexibility. Get a high lottery pick and pick a special kid. Do what Portland has been successful (so far) in doing, which is possible if you make the right decisions in evaluating talent.

I know your really upset about what has happened, but the negativity has seriously reached has reached giant douche/ turd sandwich proportions. You can choose to complain and moan about not giving Baron or J-Smoove a salary cap crippling contract in exchange for (if we are EXTREMELY lucky) the 2nd round or accept what is going on: rebuilding. Hopefully we can rebuild better than we have in the past (by giving shit veterans big contracts) and build on the talent we have with the clear goal of becoming a championship contender.

by Nellieball on Jul 7, 2008 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Hell yeah

Agreed, which is why I am wary of getting Elton Brand. If we had Baron then sure, but one or the other won’t get it done. Without Baron we are a good team that has no point guard, a position vital to Nellieball. Without Brand we are a good team that has no post presence/rebounder. Without either we are a bad team, but a team likelier to get a higher draft pick and be back a better team than before. I understand that for 13 years our front office sucked but they didn’t necessarily rebuild, rather just didn’t know what they were doing. Now rebuilding is clearly his plan and I don’t expect to go another 13 years missing the playoffs or another 3 years barely making/missing the playoffs.

by belilaugh on Jul 7, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed +1

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

We have Wright and now Randolph. If we ever decide to remember we have Monta and Beans hangin’ out waiting we can sign both of them still have cap room and let our young guys get theirs. We’re getting younger along with Portland and New Orleans. While most teams are getting older(Suns, Clippers, Mavs, Spurs). It isn’t going to be another 13 years but in 1-2 I can see us back in the playoffs IF we can hold onto Monta and Beans.

And I’m still curious to see if they will use CJ Watson in anyway.

by Jynx-Removing on Jul 8, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Preach on brother!!

The bottom line is that this is a sport/business with the goal of making money. The players are going to do what is best for them and not for us fans. Sure they love the loyalty of the fans, but when the isht hits the fan (see Baron Davis) they are going to do what’s in their interest. I too am a die hard fan but I realize that teams are going to do what they want to do. We fans can either stick with and root for them or bail and cheer for someone else. I for one plan to stick through it and be a fan for the rest of my life. I’ve seen the Warriors with Bernard Kings, Jerome Whitehead’s and Purvis Short’s of the 80’s, and also been through the run and gun, Run TMC days as well. I have seen the selection of Joe Smith and I’ve seen the selection of Todd Fuller. I’ve also repped the ‘We Believe’ slogan along with many other fans. Speculation is fun but I refuse to pull my hair out over management decisions. I’m a fan and want to see this team reach the mountaintop, but at the end of the day it is what it is.

by goldenstatefan on Jul 7, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

so is the consensus

that would should save the cap space, be awful for a year and hope we land a “special” player in the draft? I love Rubio, but the chances of landing him arent good. We cant simply count on getting as lucky as Portland did with huge drafts back to back to back. And if you look at our recent top 10 drafting record I really wouldnt hold my breath for that kind of a streak here. We arent gonna land a LeBron/Bosh/Wade in the next couple years of free agency because we arent NY/Jersey/Chicago/LA/Florida. We have to spend the money we do have wisely on young guys with potential and hope to develop them and lock up the young talent we do have. I dont know if J-Smoov or Iggy can take us to the promised land but they certainly would make us better. I’m not saying we should max one of those guys out, but lets not think we’re gonna solve things by sitting back and waiting for the next Rose/Oden/LeBron to fall into our laps and carry our team from the cellar to a championship.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

no

In case you didn’t watch Portland that much this year, they were pretty damn good without Greg Oden, the #1 pick in the draft. If Oden never plays a minute in the NBA, Portland is still pretty damn good. They built their team with developing good young talent and smart draft day decisions. Oden is pretty much gravy (albeit delicious, delicious gravy). Getting Oden was luck for the most part for them. I will wholeheartedly agree with you that we cannot count on that happening.

Portland parlayed Sebastian Telfair and the #2 pick in the weakest draft in recent memory (2006, Bargnani draft) into LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy. That was not waiting around for a Lebron. That was being proactive and using your resources to move around and do what had to be done in the draft. I suggest the Golden State Warriors maintain their flexibility not by necessarily saving the cap space and running out a 45 million dollar pay roll, but by not overpaying the likes of Josh Smith, Iguodala, Maggette, or whatever 2nd-3rd tier NBA talent is available. We cannot get these players without drastically overpaying them. Overpaying superstars and All-NBA team talent is one thing, but overpaying 2nd tier players is what kills a team.

I agree with you in the respect that we cannot wait around for a savior. Nor can we wait around to have a Lebron type free agent to sign with us. We have to do this the hard way, but I have confidence that it can be done if Mullen and company play their cards right. Panicking and overpaying a J-Smoove type just to get marginally better and miss the playoffs again would not be the way to go in my opinion.

by Nellieball on Jul 7, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

would they be considered

a serious threat without getting lucky with the Oden pick? I think not. We’d be saying they have a couple nice pieces in Aldrige and Roy but are a ways from being a contender.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

True but then again

they do have many pieces to make it work… so many pieces that it seems like for teams trying to go young… it would be going to Nordstrom’s Rack… great deals for cheap… and of course they would be banking on the potential of their many talented young players.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

I’m sure Mullin knows what he’s doing. But hey just a couple hours left till a lot of excitement goes down!

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like how you laud Pat Riley for his tanking

He and his team tanked much worse than any team in recent memory. Their coach (Pat Riley) QUIT COACHING THE TEAM. He went to go watch the NCAA Championships so he could see Beasley and Rose. That was an impressively selfish maneuver. Sure, it helps his team get closer to a championship. But a championship of what? If every team acted so selfishly, the level of play in the NBA would be so poor after a while that fans would disappear. Are you really going to pay money to go watch teams throw out their scrubs in an effort to lose? Are you going to buy DWade’s jersey if he only plays 51 games a season? It sends a terrible message to anybody watching (especially children): “If the going gets tough, just quit and wait till it’s easier.” I still can’t fathom how that went unpunished.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because the NBA is a business

and they do not punish the fan favorite or the money making favorite… Dwayne Wade and co are fan favorites in the NBA and punishing a money maker such as Dwayne Wade… I mean hell Dwayne Wade has the #7 best selling NBA jersey today, #1 in 2005, and that’s world wide so you can only imagine the money he’s making for the league… plus the NBA is biased I believe and I have this site that basically I guess you could say it supports this idea that the NBA is biased towards certain players but hey the videos speak for themselves… take what you will from them…

Ill get that link from my brother ASAP

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If the NBA is a business, their job is to put out a good product as often as possible

Letting DWade sit on the sidelines while Chris Quinn is running the show is not “putting out the best product possible”. Having teams tank takes the energy out of an arena and a fan base and causes people to buy fewer tickets/jerseys/TV Ads/etc. It’s not good business practice.

Your argument that DWade is a “fan favorite” and thus gets special treatment. If he was such a fan favorite, people want to see him play, not admire the suit he’s wearing.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

If the tanking leads to a putting a championship contender on the floor, then I don’t care how selfish it is. I want a championship. If you don’t like it, don’t go to or watch the games. Pat Riley is a championship coach and has proven that he knows how to run an NBA franchise. Is tanking cheating? Are there rules against it? No. The lottery system was implemented to discourage it, but there is no punishment for it. I don’t care about the message to children. All I know is that kid will look damn good in a championship hat.

Hey, I would be pissed about it to. I sure wouldn’t want to watch a team that was essentially the d-league all stars. But Pat Riley made the right decision for his team. His team had zero chance to make the playoffs, much less do any damage in them. He decided to call of the dogs and hold tryouts for next year. He ended up with a little luck in the lottery and got what i consider to be the best player in the draft (I think Chicago is going to be regretting talking themselves into Rose over Michael Beasley for a long time, but that is a discussion for a different time). Now, Miami has an extremely bright future and can compete right away. I would take a year of tanking for Miami’s team.

Boston taught the NBA one thing: either be really good, or really bad.

by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Boston lesson

Isn’t really “either be really good, or really bad.” All the Celtics’ alleged tanking got them was a crappy #5 pick in the draft, which ended up being Jeff Green, a fungible combo forward. They probably could have gotten a guy like that even if they had been a mediocre 30-35-win team.

For me the Boston lesson is either (1) “Timing is everything” (Pierce, Allen, KG, Ratliff, Wally, Jefferson, Green, and Gomes were all at the exact right point in the contracts/careers to set up the Celtics’ amazing coup) or, for the more cynically-minded, (2) “It’s good to have friends in high places” (Mr. Ainge, have you met Mr. McHale and Mr. Stern?)

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeaup

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I should have explained further

The Boston Lesson isn’t necessarily “just be awful and get a pick”, it is stockpiling young talent and being able to parlay that into a superstar(s). Or least what people consider to be young talent (Gerald Green). You are going to be pretty bad when you have this young talent that you are running out every night. I agree with your Boston lessons a bit more I suppose.

But Boston’s tanking got them Ray Allen, who was huge for them. It doesn’t matter who the 5 pick in the draft was for Seattle, that was their deal. That pick doesn’t look so crappy now.

Maybe when Miami is contending with Wade and Beasley the “be really good or be really bad” mantra will fit better with them.

by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

One thing to remember in “the Boston Lesson” and any other lesson is just because someone had success with a particular strategy doesn’t mean that emulation will result in future success with the same strategy. If two teams tried the same strategy, one will not do as well with it.

Analyzing a ‘successful’ strategy in hindsight makes them look great. But luck always plays a part and there’s no guarantee that the same strategy would work for someone else. Usually, attempts to copy a strategy (whether it’s the “get three stars” or “clear capspace for the Big Guy” or what have you) don’t work as well the second time around. It may be because they aren’t executed as well. It may be because there are small variables that aren’t correctly identified. It may be that luck factors heavily and in repeated attempts, the good luck doesn’t follow.

Boston caught lightning in a bottle. They had picks deemed good enough, expiring contract of magnitude to make it work, and a young promising player to make it seem like a reasonable deal for Minn. Perhaps Ainge’s relationship with McHale helped too, but if they were total strangers, Boston still had a deal that made sense for Minn in trying to make the best of a bad lot. Did Boston’s “tanking” really figure in? They didn’t win the lottery. They picked 5th. They also didn’t really change their draft position much based on their second half. They were 13 and 38 before the break, 11 and 20 afterwards. Yeah, they closed out April of ‘07 going 2 of 10, but they were 7 and 8 the month before. Hard to really say that they “tanked” and harder to say that it mattered in the least in getting Allen.

by jae on Jul 8, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I completely agree that one strategy that works for one team may not necessarily work for others. I agree Boston caught lightning in a bottle.

I am not sure what if you read my earlier posts on this thread, but what I was trying to get across was to not overpay a player like Josh Smith, Maggette, or Igoudala. To me, they are not good enough to keep us from being in the lottery, and it would be foolish to spend the money on them. I would rather be bad/ building a team by playing the kids than trying to get in the playoffs to be an 8 seed and get our ass kicked by the Lakers.

I am not saying the Warriors should try and win only 12 games next year. They should win as many as they can, but with playing the kids.

How did Boston’s tanking/ being bad not get them Allen? I am a little unclear on your logic. They sucked in 06-07. They got the fifth pick in the draft. They traded that for Ray Allen (along with Delonte and Wally). The fifth pick was obviously the reason Seattle made the trade. Without being terrible, Boston does not get that pick.

by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

But 80-90% of their being terrible was a result of losing Pierce, their franchise player. The other discretionary 10-20% was either lack of enthusiasm, or malicious tanking, or some combo of the two. Either way, they would have been picking in the #4-10 range, and would probably have been able to pry Ray Allen from the rebuilding Sonics. A lot of Cs fans actually felt that #5 + Delonte West for a 32-year old shooting guard was a big overpay. Indeed, a lot of Cs fans were skeptical of the trade all the way up through the Cavs and Pistons series, as Ray Ray looked like toast for long stretches.

But then Jesus Shuttleworth rose from the dead and torched the Lakers, and those whiny Boston fans forgot what they were whining about. :-)

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ray Allen is still blowing by Sasha.

by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

True youre right.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I BELIEVE in Josh Smith...

he’s young…and his offensive game is still raw, but the guy can BALL. And his defensive skills and intimidation factor are already there…the offensive skills will come around. I’m not saying throw him max money but I think he’s worth the investment.
And we do need to shop TMNT for a decent point. Billups is still a possibility. How about Mo Williams? Or maybe Randy Foye?

We Believe!!!

by crossphaded on Jul 7, 2008 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Randy Foye is someone

the Timberwolves are going to keep for sure. He was their starter before he got injured as I remember correctly… if anyone on that team is expendable it would in my mind most likely be Sebastian Telfair.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mo Williams

has a pretty big contract though Milwaukee would for sure like to move him so its a possibility. I’d rather see if we cant pry Ramon Sessions from him. I know he played a lot of meaningless minutes, but the kid was ballin at the end of the year.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hvn't seen Ramon Sessions play but I agree with you

I think Mo Williams is someone the Bucks would like to move because of his contract… I just don’t think he’ll be ending up on the Warriors though… and I would much rather take Billups if possible…

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

eh

I dunno thats a toss up. Billups is the better leader/player, but Mo is younger and has shown great promise. I guess I agree since Chauncey would be less of a long term investment, though neither one is really great for this team right now.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Taking their time"

Nice, we have EIGHT empty roster spots to fill this offseason and Mullin’s sitting over there “taking his time.” Meanwhile, players like Duhon, Diop, and Gerald Green are getting swooped off the market while our front office is twiddling their thumbs waiting for some Elton Brand pipe dream to happen.

By the time Brand is done making a fool of us; Smith, Iguodala, and Okafor will all be signed already as well as any other quality free agent available right now. We’ll be stuck bringing back Hudson and Croshere because there’s nobody left because the front office decided to “take their time”. Godamn the Warriors frustrate me

by YaHeard on Jul 7, 2008 5:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

People hvn't even

finalized deals yet… everything’s just verbal and even though people usually don’t go back on their word… We can still find descent players to fill the roster… I’m sure we won’t be a terrible team… we’ll be mediocre at WORST… and besides just wait I’m sure Mullin has something good planned.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whats that you say. Your looking pretty dumb right now

by smearthebeard on Jul 9, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This isn't a bad thing

Smith is not on the team’s radar just yet. They’re technically not able to make an offer until another one is rejected, if you catch my drift.

by pree on Jul 7, 2008 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

how about

we offer a lot for Josh Smith if we don’t get Brand. Then if ATL resigns him we can sign Childress, I think we should be able to get one of them, I mean Childress is definitely not a franchise player or anything like that. But I think he could be a very good player someone like Posey?

by warriorsalltheway on Jul 7, 2008 11:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Offering "alot of money" to Josh Smith

would be a bad idea in my opinion… I could see us gassing up the price for Josh Smith so that the Atlanta Hawks would have to use much of their cap space on him enough to not be able to match up the offer for Josh Childress… but yeah… I don’t know if Childress will ever be like Posey but if you’re talking about it efficiency-wise… then maybe yeah I could see that.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs