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A Quiet 4th of July Weekend [SFGate]

"If nothing happens between Elton Brand and the Warriors, which is still the likeliest scenario, don't expect Golden State to turn around and hand out another huge offer to an outside free agent. As one team source told me, the plan is to "take our time" sorting through the rest of the market.

Josh Smith? Sources inside and outside the organization say he's not on the Warriors' radar.

Corey Maggette? The Warriors like him, but not at much more than the mid-level exception.

Andre Iguodala? Even if the Warriors went after him, (which I'm not sure they will), his restricted status is a big hurdle."
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How can Josh Smith NOT be on the Warriors' radar? It's good to see the Warriors aren't going to foolishly break the bank for Maggette, but not even taking a shot at Iggy is pretty questionable. Until proven otherwise, cap space for loser teams without star power to draw other big names or a winning tradition is meaningless.

I think we'll "take our time" renewing our season tickets this year too.

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The JSmooth tidbit is curious/depressing

If true. Talk about a guy born to play for Nellie. Maybe the NBA has an unspoken quota on left-handed forwards?

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2008 9:22 AM PDT   0 recs

As I’ve said, no offers are official yet. We’re working with rumor mill, nothing more.

Offers to restricted free agents aren’t without some cost to the organization. If the deal is going to be matched, it ties up the cap space in the mean time meaning that another offer isn’t possible in the time. A RFA as a primary target is a high risk, low reward move. There’s also a general, although not universal agreement to not put up offers that are going to be matched because it makes things messy for both parties without really producing a concrete gain for the team making the first offer. If there’s a potential for an UFA, you make those phonecalls first. If there’s a trade, you make those offers first before digging in to be matched in a week’s time.

But mostly, I’d caution all to avoid reading too much into what “sources” are saying, especially about the Warriors operations. Management can’t say who they are or are not interested in at this point, by rules of the CBA. “Sources” about the Warriors are notoriously bad since Nelson arrived. Richardson traded without warning (actually, counter to what Mullin said), Dun-Murphy trade came out of the blue, Belinelli drafted when no one really saw him on the radar, and none of the so-called “targets” wound up being drafted this year. What the media is saying about Iggy or Smith doesn’t mean that much. Plenty of real reasons to question Warrior management. There’s no reason to invent false ones.

by jae on Jul 7, 2008 9:25 AM PDT   0 recs

I think jae laid out the parameters well. That said, I agree with others that Mullin is at least putting out feelers for Josh Smith. He is an awesome talent, only a couple of years older than Beasley/Rose, with a very good NBA track record and is tailor made for Nellie ball. At the same time, he has his downsides (attitude) and will have to be overpaid in order to sign with the Warriors – somewhere around what Baron would have made ($17 mill). That ’s the only way to land a coveted RFA. Overpay him to the extent that his current team thinks it isn’t worth matching.

And as jae points out, during the process of offfering a restricted RFA contract, the Warriors would be frozen from using that money otherwise, until the Hawks decide or not to match the offer. I think that could take a week or two.

So, I see Mullin wieghing in with Smith’s agent as to his interest of signing with the Warriors for a big number and to get some sense whether or not Atlanta would match it. If that seems too risky, I could see the Warriors just going ahead and signing Maggette maybe for something like 4 year/$35 million. That would still give them room to pursue another non-star FA or RFA, maybe Josh Childress.

I thought John Hollinger mentioned an interesting scenario. The Warriors have the room to take Vince Carter off of NJ’s hands in a salary dump deal, which probably wouldn’t cost more than a 2nd round pick. It would be sort of like a trade, Baron for Carter. Not sure if the Warriors would want to or should do that, but it’s an interesting idea.

by San Francisco Slim on Jul 7, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't mind renting Vince Carter for three years...

He is a fairly good ball handler to pair up with Jax & Monta and may be able to revitalize his career here w/ Golden State. My biggest concern is his desire to play. He is not that far from the elite player he used to be, but he doesn’t seem to have the drive to get back up there. That would be the biggest risk, considering the amount of money that would be tied up through his contract. Do you think Carter would be able to pull things together to become a franchise type of player again?

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 1:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good call on V. Carter

That’s my take on Carter as well. His numbers aren’t down much from his prime and watching him play, he still seems to be able to do what he wants to on the court. It wasn’t so much Carter who dropped off for the Nets, it was Kidd (terrible deal by Dallas).

But Carter is a superstar who coasts. Remember how he mailed it in with Toronto in order to force a trade and then played brilliantly that same year with the Nets? I think Nellie, along with the competition of the West, could revive him for a year. The question would be whether his salary would be a liability a year or two down the road.

by San Francisco Slim on Jul 7, 2008 1:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade Proposal...

The numbers work on this trade and my brother says Fitz & Brooks tossed this idea from an email I wrote to them this morning…

Carter, Yi AND/or Marcus Williams for Harrington (one foot out the door already) & SJax. Throw in a pick here and there, say Warriors pick up a future #1 for their own future #2 pick or vice versa. I can see NJ parting with one of the two young players, but two may be a stretch. But if they can get both, the Warriors starting line up could look like this…

PG: William/Ellis
SG: Ellis/Carter
SF: Carter/Yi
PF: Yi/Wright
C: Wright/BIedrins

Bench: One from above plus, Belinelli, Randolph, Hendrix. Hopefully they can resign Buike & Watson & Perovic (please DO NOT resign Barnes) and pick up a serviceable big man thru free agency.

What would hurt is trading SJax, but the Warriors seemed poised with a youth movement. I don’t see where Mully or the Warriors are going with signing Brand, and signing Magettee would be a huge mistake, especially if he receives more than the MLE. Warriors would have to suck it up and take on Vince’s contract for a couple more years while NJ would “compete” for the next two then have enough cap space to sign not ONE, but TWO free agents of the 2010 class (Bron, Wade…. even YAO).

This trade is a stretch, but if the Warriors are going to pick up a player, they minus well get rid of players that don’t seem to have a future with the team (emotionally & financially—SJax can be a player that the Warriors will financially not want to keep when his contract runs out).

Their biggest need right now is POINT GUARD, not POWER FORWARD. And if they can’t land Brand, which is still hard to fathom, the only team out there with young players to trade for is NJ. Forget all this talk about sign and trades with Monta & the Knicks. They don’t have any valuable assets, and the ones they do have, they don’t want to part with. That is why NJ looks like a good trading partner. It’s a gamble, but we could possibly find our PG replacement.

How about giving Shaun Livington a shot too???

by GState21 on Jul 7, 2008 11:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I kinda like it...

it sounds like a very logical move maybe Mullin is thinking about this as well..

“The numbers work on this trade and my brother says Fitz & Brooks tossed this idea from an email I wrote to them this morning…”

They said this on air?

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 11:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i like your thinking

i really like this scenario and the team we would create. i would prefer a staring lineup of
pg: williams / sg: ellis / sf: carter / pf: wright / c: biedrins with yi coming off the bench as well.

i dunno if it is a good idea to create a new fanpost with this idea, because personally i think its genius and all GSOMers should see this. the only concern i have is if new jersey would do it because it seems like they want to go young also… regardless—mullin get it done!

and as i’ve said many times, i would love to take a flyer on shaun livingston

by gogoldenbears on Jul 8, 2008 7:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dont you watch baskeball?

Vinces knees are SHOT! He has lost alot of his hops and is not a top guard or small forward anymore.

by smearthebeard on Jul 9, 2008 8:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Definitely right I couldn’t agree with you more.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"Not on the radar"

I can see other comments, but how can Mullie and Co NOT have Smith on the radar?

He’s a nasty fit in the Dubs system, can probably be had for somewhat close to his worth ($12m should pull him away, possibly even with a smaller yearly increase like 5% or flat).

While I’d prefer Iggy by a long-shot, not having J-Smoove on the radar worries me a great deal

by dprodigy19 on Jul 7, 2008 9:32 AM PDT   0 recs

how can Mullie and Co NOT have Smith on the radar?

Probably cause they’d have to pay him too much to come here when he has better situations available to him? Atlanta is rising so he should stay there, the shopping around is probably just for show. Without Boom or Jrich we don’t have as much charisma to attract a good player so we’d have to offer more money.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 7, 2008 10:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That and Smith is just not a franchise player

He’s a great defensive player, no doubt about it. But he’s not someone that you give huge money to because of his offensive limitations. With Atlanta’s ability to match and Philadelphia’s interest in Josh Smith, the Warriors are taking the smart road in not going after him.

As for Iguodala, I would love to see him in a Warriors jersey. Nuff said.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 12:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That and

usually you throw money at players who can lead your team to the next level. Josh Smith is a very reliable starter as been proven in his young age. He’s a budding star but is more of a complimentary to THE star rather then being THE star on the team… if you get what I’m saying… Iguodala would be a great addition to the Warriors, but as everyone has said, waiting it out and letting everything just finish itself through the 9th may be the best option… No need to waste money and a lot of people are desperate to see the Warriors pull something big… but it’s just not necessary to gamble like that. Mullin & Co know what they’re doing.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 12:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

J-Smoov

is only 22….I wouldnt be so quick to say he’s not a franchise guy. I’d prefer Iggy too, but certainly wouldnt mind watching Smith next year.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 1:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well ill say it

JOSH SMITH WILL NEVER BE A FRANCHISE GUY

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Please define "franchise."

All star?

PER over 20?

Best player on a bad team?

Best player on a winning team?

Player capable of winning a championship with a bunch of role players as supporting cast?

BTLBJ? (Better than LeBron James?)

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2008 5:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ok will do

He will never be the main star that would win you a Championship

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I should have worded it better my bad...

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

who are your franchise players around the league?

by that definition there aren’t many and none of the current warriors nor was baron a franchise player. and i agree with that definition. a franchise player should be someone you can build a team around to win a championship.

so out of curiosity, who are your franchise players?

by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 7, 2008 5:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Players such as

Joe Johnson
Paul Pierce
LeBron James
Dwight Howard
Brandon Roy
Chris Paul
Amare Stoudamire
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Elton Brand

And youre absolutely right imo that The Warriors have never really had a franchise player that could lead them to a Championship.

What I’m getting to is that to me as much as I love Josh Smith’s game and athleticism… he seems to be limited and you cannot teach finesse or shooting touch… hell LeBron will never find that pure shot because he’s just not that player… and I really don’t see Josh Smith becoming a big star enough to even lead a team to a playoff series…

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

IMO

Hes not worth being the highest paid player on any team.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

and i don’t agree with jeppalepala very often. Josh Smith, as many of fans and sports analysts believe is made for Nellie-ball, has absolutely no handles and does not initiate offense on his own.

I haven’t watched a whole lot of him, but from what I got from the Boston series and whatever I could catch on NBA league pass, the dude scores most his point off put backs and set shots from deep. He’s still ‘young’ (or old depending on who you talk to on any specific day) but the guy has absolutely no right hand and needs to look down to dribble and make sure the ball is still there. I personally don’t think we need more guys that we have to consistently teach fundamentals too, tho im sure even the best pros need tips every day. but still.. i don’t think 80+ million for a few tight dunks is worth it.

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 7, 2008 6:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

YAHOO! lol yea I know what you mean DJ

I’ll try being more clear when I speak.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Joe Johnson

is a franchise player but Josh Smith never will be?! I’m not gonna argue with the rest of the guys on that list, but if there are only 10 franchise players in the league capable of leading their teams to championships we might as well give up and wait til we ge lucky and land the #1 pick next time there is a LeBron caliber guy there.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There's most definitely more

it’s just that those were at the top of my head.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well then who are they?

I’m not saying Smith certainly will be a franchise type guy, and he certainly has his flaws but there arent many 22 year olds without serious flaws in their game. Like sleepy said he has as good a shot as just about anybody that age to become a franchise player. I like Iggy much more, I’m not a huge J-Smoov fan, but your criticism seems a little extreme.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't really think it's that extreme at all...

in fact I’d say it’s pretty accurate but I would love to be wrong because originally I wanted the Warriors to draft him but he went a little higher than what I had expected… Of course but I mean its based again on the players dedication to the game you can’t just expect a player to get better… it’s based on what they want to accomplish and sure how many of us really know his dedication level? He does have attitude issue which have been stated a couple times on this blog so maybe he’ll improve maybe he’ll stay the same… I think the space to become a better player is very limited.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yea

the attitude issues actually concern me much more than his game. If it werent for his attitude and the fact that we already have a couple potentially similar players on the roster I’d be all in for Smith.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd say Iguodala

is a much safer bet as far as RFAs.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

much less likely though

as I think the sixers feel the same way

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There’s quite a spread in ability and win production in that list. Johnson may look good in fantasy leagues, but he doesn’t add to a team’s win probability all that much. The rest of that group outshine him considerably.

Josh Smith hasn’t shown that he’s in the elite group, but he’s a step above Joe Johnson.

by jae on Jul 7, 2008 9:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Joe Johnson a franchise player?

Ya right! Exactly what has Joe won? Stats? Micahel Redd has better stats and is not a franchsie player. Brandon Roy? Not! Paul Pierce?
I guess as long as he has Garnett and ray Allen. Both franchise players using your criteria.

by smearthebeard on Jul 9, 2008 8:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that's my definition too.

The thing is, by that definition, nobody on the Warriors since Rick Barry, or possibly even Wilt Chamberlain, has been a franchise player. Not Mullin, not Hardaway, not Webber, not BD, and certainly not JRich or Monta Ellis.

I’d agree that Josh Smith probably won’t attain that level either, though I’d say he’s one of a 15-20 guys in the world under between age 20-22 that has a shot. Which is to say, I’d be perfectly happy if the Ws blew all their newfound $$$ on him, even if he’s a longshot for superstardom, and even if he brings our sum total of athletic, lefthanded frontcourt players to four.

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2008 5:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We could inspire a whole new fanbase!!!

“Come to the LEFT coast”

Or something. Open up one of Flanders’ Lefty stores. Wooo!!!

Yeah, Josh Smith is a great young player. Just because he hasn’t reached his potential yet doesn’t mean he won’t. He’s 22! Give him a break. I don’t think anybody here is offering 5 years/95M. But if he could be had for 3/35 or 4/48 I think it’d be a decent investment. Probably slightly more than he’s worth now, but not long term, and if he gets better it’s definitely worth it.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 6:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It is kind of amazing

I mean, the last prominent lefty big man I can remember was the Admiral, and before that Artis Gilmore and Bob Lanier. That’s three in my lifetime (feel free to add any I’m omitting). What are the chances of four, all similar in age, appearing in the same frontcourt at the same time? One in 1.8 quadrillion?

Of course, it probably wouldn’t be total coincidence, given that one of the most prominent lefty swingmen of my lifetime also happens to be our GM…

I agree with you, though: the lefty thing has awesome marketing potential. One of the great things about Nellie Era II is how, for the first time in years — really, since Nellie Era I — the team was given a distinctive attitude and character. Nellie branded us. Like Ainge with this year’s Celtics, he played a freaking hand. Here, Mully would be playing a hand, too: the left one. The fact that all four big lefties happened to be preternaturally quick and athletic for their size would just be icing on the cake.

Meanwhile, I absolutely love “Left Coast” Warriors as a name/slogan, particularly in such a progressive state and city, and in an era where our next president, Barack Obama, will be not only lefty politically but also left-handed. (And hey, even if the other guy wins, he’s left-handed too).

Which reminds me: is anyone else bothered by the obnoxious, neofascist NewsMax slanders of Obama that often fill the adspace above the diary section here? I mean, WTF? On a site like this? I realize nothing I say these days carries much weight with the GSoM kids, but really, something oughta be done. Just say no to right-wing propaganda!

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2008 7:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Sleepy

do you know anything about the New World Order?

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 10:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHA!

Maybe he’ll put his classic train wreck photo’s those are ALWAYS classic… and super random!

by Tony.psd on Jul 8, 2008 3:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's think realistically...

Do you think Josh Smith is going to get only 3/35 or 4/48? He’ll definately be matched by ATL if its only that much. He’s gonna get overpaid to move.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 10:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thus the "if" in my comment

I agree with you that it’d almost certainly get matched. Just saying that’s about the limit of what I’d pay for him.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 10:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I saw the if...

Well if it would be plausible, then I’d be all for it. At that price tag, we’d still be able to find some formidable pg that can take the pressure off of Monta & Jax to make plays.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 3:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

smith not a franchise player?

i would of never thought that j-rich was until he started to develop an outside game. i never thought monta was until watching him grow this season. if smith can get a midrange game goin and be decent beyond the arc….he would really be hard to defend

i want a bike, like a beach cruiser of somthin like that - Baron Davis

by boomdizzle5 on Jul 7, 2008 3:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LIKE I SAID FOR SAM23

JOSH SMITH WILL NEVER BE A COMPLETE FRANCHISE GUY

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Capital letters just make you look like an a$$

They don’t convey your opinion any better than lower case or properly punctuated words.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 6:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps

but I like them so I did it.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 10:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Put it this way...

If Josh Smith was the best player on your team… You will not win a championship… EVER.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 5:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

at 22 years old

a lot of people wouldve said that about Chauncey Billups too. Actually not just a lot of people…..EVERYONE.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True but honestly

if you havn’t gotten down the basic mechanics of basketball at the age of 22 at that point… you really don’t have that much to left to grow imo… of course he could potentially get better… but that should have happened a while ago within the first 3 years in the league… you’re talking about dramatic advances in skills people such as LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony have made… I don’t think Josh Smith is capable of lifting his game to that level..

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 6:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Chauncey Billups wasn't even the best player on that championship team!

Rip Hamilton basically put up similar numbers during that playoff run, and hit some clutch shots himself. That team was predicated on DEFENSE. I would NOT! expect Chauncey Billups to be the franchise player for the Warriors, or for any other team. He is a good player; efficient at what he does and he fits into the Detroit scheme of things very well…. but he would not thrive in any other type of system.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 6:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so Rip Hamilton

is a franchise player in your opinion? Youre kinda making my point for me. We cant just wait til we land another Jordan/LeBron type, J-Smoov may not carry this team to a championship but maybe he could be a solid contributor on such a team. I’m not even a huge pro-Smith guy, I dont know how I got sucked into this argument as the “sign Smith” party. I dont want to see him here signed to a max or even close to max deal, but he certainly should be on our radar come wedensday.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying that Rip is a franchise player either.

Detroit was a great all-around team that thrived on the team mentality. Unfortunately, it is very rare to have a championship team w/o a superstar anchoring the ship. The Spurs had Duncan, the Bulls had Jordan, the Lakers had Shaq & Kobe, and to a lesser extent the 76ers had Iverson, the Jazz had Malone and the Kings had Webber.

And i’m not saying that Smith shouldn’t be on the radar. He is a great defensive player who is very energetic and can really be a key contributor to a championship caliber team. All I’m saying Smith is not a franchise player.

Let’s look at the type of pieces that you would need to build around Josh Smith: a player who would be able to create their own shot to free up the lane, a player who would be able to create a shot for him, a three point shooter to stretch the floor a little, other defensive minded players, because one great defender is just not enough (as evident in Marcus Camby, who is a GREAT defensive player, but can’t get his team to keep pace). Maybe the Warriors would be able to provide that (Monta, Jax, Beans & Nelson preaching that defense leads to faster offense), but I would not give him franchise player money in order to see if it would work.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 7:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Detroit Pistons were an exception… they won purely because of teamwork.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They won because they had a rotation of above average players. It’s not like Billups, Wallace and Wallace, McDyess, Prince and Hamilton are nobodies. They’re all rather good players. They’re not necessarily the offensive dynamos that normally get top star billing, but all provide above average productivity. All do their part to raise the probability of wins, not just through ‘teamwork’ but by being good players on their own.

The NBA markets stars. They’ve freely admitted this because it gets ratings and sells merchandise. The NBA has effectively marketed the ‘star’ concept for so long it seems like people regard all non-stars as almost interchangeable. They aren’t.

by jae on Jul 7, 2008 9:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1 k i was lazy ill admit it

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 10:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

They would have said “Who?”

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 6:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree...

Josh Smith has the ability to hinder your offense to no end. He is a TO machine and although he does average 16 ppg, he can’t be trusted to do anything else but dunk and shoot a wide open jumper. His defense is sick, but that’s just like Chicago giving Ben Wallace a max deal. We all saw where that went. NOWHERE!

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 6:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you really just compare Josh Smith to Ben Wallace?

That’s ridiculous. I’m not even going to qualify that argument with a counterpoint.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 6:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hes talking about

money and maximizing contracts to limited players I believe…

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 10:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Grr...

Ben Wallace is a truly limited player. That and he’s too old to learn new tricks. JSmoove is in no way shape or form a similar player to Ben Wallace. Sure they both play great defense, but that’s where the similarities end, and they don’t even play defense the same way.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow... Boston... Look....

You didn’t deserve much of a response for being very close-minded… but how much would you want the W’s to give Josh Smith that would be realistic enough to have him sign with the W’s? How much do you think Philly is willing to give Josh Smith, as they are actively pursuing?

Now factor in Atlanta’s ability to match any deal. Can you tell me how much more would it take for Josh Smith to sign an offer sheet with the W’s over the 76ers without having Atlanta just pull the rug out from underneath us and matching that offer? It would probably take a lot of money.

Now I’m not the smartest poster on here, but I think it would be safe to assume that if the Warriors were to offer Mr. Smith a large, Ben Wallace sized contract at 4 yrs/$60 mil, this team would not be able to thrive without bringing in a person who could set Smith up with wide open looks or other players to stretch the floor. Unfortunately, none of those players come cheap.

Now if you’re interested in investing a wealth of money and time into Josh Smith to see if he would work out with the Warriors, with his low FG% & FT% and high TO output, then you’re entitled to your own opinion. I would readily give Josh Smith the kind of contract that Marcus Camby got, but he’s not worth more than that in my opinion.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

scratch the low FG%

46% is decent… but for a player who plays around the rim as much as he does, its a little lower than what it should be.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You may have just meant “big contract” when you said “max deal” but they arenR