Stephon Marbury

by azntigar78 on Jul 7, 2008 5:52 PM PDT

Knicks just signed Chris Duhon to run the point.

Starbury is maybe better than Baron.

the only question is does starbury want to play.

Starbury and ellis in the backcourt?

Starbury would be the only possible pg to match barons talent and starbury doesn't appear to want to play in NY anymore and NY management doesn't want him running the point, the bay would LOVE him and the kid can str8 ball.

This is the only option that i could see happening that would bring back the warriors into playoff contention this season.

How old is starbury?

discuss.

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totally down...

I would love to see starbury with monta..although he is a headcase he has some of the same physical attributes that made baron a stud..i also wouldnt mind seeing jamal crawford with the warriors because he is an awesome scoring combo guard who can handle..he can also give monta time to shine at point…i wouldnt mind seeing either of them here..

by AP DIDDY on Jul 7, 2008 5:59 PM PDT 0 recs

he's 31

If they could get him at a decent price, I think they should. He’d probably be real grateful to be saved from the coaching clutches of D’antoni. The only thing I’m wondering is if he can flop as well as BD.

by centerre on Jul 7, 2008 6:06 PM PDT 0 recs

NO

Marbury is done. Have you seen him play in the last 2 or 3 years? Its certainly not the same starburry that was ballin in Minny with KG. I think and hope he lands in Miami.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:09 PM PDT 0 recs

who else do you see playing point guard than sam?..C.J???

by AP DIDDY on Jul 7, 2008 6:15 PM PDT up 0 recs

sure

I’d rather run CJ or even Marco out there,or have Monta play point for a year, and hope we land Rubio or Holiday in the draft next year than waste a penny or a minute of playing time on Marbury. Felton, Ramon Sessions, Crittenton/Lowry, or maybe even Heinrich are all veteran options I’d much rather see in a dubs uni than Marbury.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up 0 recs

WOW

you lost all credibility when you actually said MARCO can play point..seriously that guy hasnt shown he could play one single minute in the NBA let alone play point guard!.he actually was embarassing to watch last year..Crittenton/Lowry? please…at least agree with Jamal Crawford being a good fit?

by AP DIDDY on Jul 7, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

oh I cant stand Marco

I hated the draft pick, and I hope we can deal him while he still has some value, but I’d rather see the dubs try to prove me wrong and give him some floor time than waste it on Marbury. Crawford could be a good fit, but D’Antoni likes him so he’s goin nowhere. Ramon Sessions is the guy I’d like to see the Dubs pursue. He’s totally unproven, but its worth a shot.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up 0 recs

ummm... Sam has a better sense of realism than you do

Are you serious about letting Marbury running this team over Marco or Ellis? Ridiculous

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 7, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

Are you serious

A real experienced point guard over two in experienced shooting guards? You’d hafta be nuts!

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 8, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up 0 recs

Nuts as in I would rather have the Warrior guards grow together...

Placing Marbury here would be very risky. If we would be able to sign Marbury to a veteran minimum contract (which I would HIGHLY doubt) then hey…. give him a try and see if he could step it up for the W’s. If it works, then great. If it doesn’t, then waive him and chalk that up as a small mistake.

Just think about this… he basically quit on the Knicks this past season after getting into a huge fight with Coach Thomas regarding playing time, and despite Thomas repeatedly giving him chances to redeem himself, he never picked up the ball and ran with it. He tanked it and collected checks.

If we were to give Marbury anywhere near the MLE and he tanked it, everyone on here would be pissed. Especially so because it would potentially hinder Marco & Ellis’ ability to try and work together and become more efficient points. I used to be one of the biggest Marbury fans in the world, but even I know when someone is over the hill.

Just look at what Houston did with Steve Francis: They signed him to a very small deal, very low risk – high reward. Francis really didn’t work out, as Alston really started to shine during the second half of the season. That should be the benchmark by which the Warriors make a decision to try out Stephon Marbury.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

Nice name drop

Ramon Sessions was a beast once Mo Williams got injured. He was on my fantasy team and did not dissapoint. He had like 20 assists in one of those games. On the contrary, it is easy to rack up assists if you got Redd on your team. Would be nice to see him split time with Monta. Marco can be his poor man’s Redd.

by Captain Jack on Jul 7, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

Sessions

yea like I said in another post he played a lot of garbage minutes, but he killed it the last couple weeks of the year. I wonder what it would take to get him. Milwaukee seems poised to make a run at contending now with the Jefferson trade and it seems like Al Harrington might be a nice fit for them. Sessions, plus the contracts of Gadzuric and Mason for Al? Gadzuric would provide an athletic big body off the bench even if his 4 year 6 mil per contract is pretty bad. Mason would be a great asset in the uptempo game and his 5 mil a year deal expires after next season. Sessions would provide a nice true PG who could platoon with a guy like Livingston pretty well. If we cant land Iggy or Smith to a reasonable deal this could make a nice young team for next year.
PG-Sessions/Livingston
SG-Monta/Buike/Bellinelli
SF-Jack/Mason/Randolph
PF-Wright/Hendrix
C-Biedrins/Gadzuric/Kosta

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up 0 recs

If the team can afford his contract, then yes

Remember the 1993-94 Warriors? Tim Hardaway was out for the whole year and we still performed strongly with a veteran shooter at SF (Mullin), a hot scoring two guard (Sprewell), and a capable PF/C (Webber) all coached by Don Nelson. Hardaway’s replacement that year was Avery Johnson, who obviously wasn’t a superstar guard but was serviceable for the time being.

Marbury can easily be this year’s Avery Johnson for us. Obviously past his prime but still capable of getting some things done; despite his reputation as a shoot-first PG he still averages around 8 assists per game for his career (similar to our outgoing superstar). We also have our veteran shooter at SF (Jackson), a hot scoring two guard (Ellis), and a capable big man (Biedrins) or two (Harrington) all coached by Don Nelson. Things could work out just fine with him.

Another bonus: the Starbury shoes remain cheap due to not needing to alter design or colors. :P

by J-Triumf on Jul 7, 2008 6:21 PM PDT 0 recs

As a player, I'd hate to have Marbury on the Warriors.

The only reason why I’d want him on the W’s is because of his expiring $20 million contract. We already have cap space, but honestly, his expiring contract is the only reason any team would want Marbury. I’m not sure if having a cancer on your team for the whole season will be worth it, though.

by The Daydreamer on Jul 7, 2008 6:25 PM PDT 0 recs

If he gets waived

he’s worth a non-guaranteed shot.

The last time the Warriors took a chance on a PG with a bad rep, it turned out pretty well, didn’t it? I’m not saying that Steph is BD by any means, but at this point, you do the things that you need to do to temporarily build a squad until .. whenever a real point guard prospect produces itself.

by pree on Jul 7, 2008 6:34 PM PDT 0 recs

I agree wholeheartedly, for the right price though...

I would love to see starbury in a w’s uni, I think Jack, Al, and Donny could handle him and I think Starbury still has something to prove, for the right price though….

by warriorbum on Jul 7, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

but couldnt you also see

a horrible team blowing up with Jack and Starbury suddenly turning on Nellie? Thats a pretty unstable mix. I hate the idea of adding Marbury

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

I hate Starbury

He’s small, sullen, sulky and in serious career decline (PER of 13.8 last year); and he and Monta would form probably the worst defensive backcourt tandem in the NBA. Starbury at PG = roughly zero chance of not sucking in 08/09.

At the same time, if his huge expiring contract gives us even a 25% chance at acquiring Deron Williams next summer, I’d seriously consider him. Anyone wanna place a call to Deron and see how he feels about the Bay Area?

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 7, 2008 6:53 PM PDT 0 recs

+1

thats the only reason I’d do it, but I think he’s gonna get bough out by NY anyway.

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

Ill try and get his number.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 7, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up 0 recs

Jack would never...

Jack would never disss nellie..he respect nellie to know end..if anything i could see jack and steph arguing over nellie.JACK IS THE HEART AND SOUL!

by AP DIDDY on Jul 7, 2008 7:37 PM PDT 0 recs

CJ Watson

Why does everyone think watson cant handle the point? He averaged 26.4 points, 5.3 rebounds and 5.3 assists with 90% ft in the D-League. Yeah ok it’s the D-league… i know… But if you paid close attention to his game he’s got really great bball IQ and he was able to run the fast break within days when we first signed him. He’d be one cheap ass player to sign that can be potentially the next Rondo.

by bojangles408 on Jul 7, 2008 7:55 PM PDT 1 recs

Thank you...

CJ is good and so is Monta. And one of them will start for us this year. And I will be thankful we did not waste our time on marbury. Even signing Jason Williams makes more sense than that.

Monta starting with CJ covering 15-20 at point. Monta can shift over if we can afford going small.

by shooter1525 on Jul 7, 2008 8:02 PM PDT 0 recs

WOW..

If you guys thinks CJ EFFIN WATSON can start you guys deserve to be clippers fans!..cmon guys im trying to win games..he can be a servicable back-up but no starter..he averaged great number in the D-LEAGUE!!!!!!!..be reasonable about this…

by AP DIDDY on Jul 7, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up 0 recs

no on starbury

starbury is old and done. i think the guy we could sign would be monte ellis. the gaurds out there that could replace Boomfizzle is Dwill or Cp and we cant get them anyway. monte will do a fine job and cj should be a good backup. the celts won last year without a pg. who’s rondo he’s nobody special just somebody to bring the ball up. monte can do that so can jax and so could kaz or cj. what this team needs is better shooters. thats why we didnt make PO’s we couldnt hit a J.

by Rach on Jul 7, 2008 8:25 PM PDT 0 recs

Celtics without a point.

Rach

the celtics point guard (rondo) could play defense.

also on offense they had a really great passing big man in KG, to give them movement.
not to mention PPierce and Ray Allen could pass okay aswell.

And A flat out shooter(allen), some of the best footwork of our time out of a small forward(pierce). and someone to get it done in the post.(KG) all this allows for spacing and movement on offense. not to mention the loads of role players(posey, eddie house, perkins, PJ brown)

thats how they won it last year.

The Beginning of the "We Believe" Movement of Melbourne, Australia.

by DoomBizzle on Jul 7, 2008 8:42 PM PDT 0 recs

i agree with you

the reason i said the celts won without a pg is not becuase i think rondo sucks he is a decent pg on a very good team. rondo is just an example of the point that i was trying to make that you dont need a superstar pg to win.

by Rach on Jul 7, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

Superstar usually gets attributed to guys who score a bunch. The odds of a zero defense high scoring player being labeled ‘superstar’ are much, much better than a dominant defensive player with not much to offer on offense getting the same billing, even though the latter can be a bigger help to his team.

by jae on Jul 7, 2008 9:44 PM PDT up 0 recs

Starbury is maybe better than Baron.

You lost me at that point, though I guess the maybe is a disclaimer like “Spud Webb is maybe taller than Manute Bol”.

by jae on Jul 7, 2008 9:42 PM PDT 0 recs

career numbers for starbury and baron:

GP   GS   MPG   FG%   3P%   FT%   RPG   APG   SPG   BPG   PPG

Starbury : 823 812 38.2 .434 .326 .785 3.0 7.8 1.2 .1 19.7

Barons: 608 501 35.5 .414 .325 .692 4.1 7.2 2.0 .4 17.1

by azntigar78 on Jul 7, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up 1 recs

try some recent numbers

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up 0 recs

2004–05 New York 82 82 40.0 .462 .354 .834 3.0 8.1 1.5 .1 21.7
2005–06 New York 60 60 36.6 .451 .317 .755 2.9 6.4 1.0 .1 16.3
2006–07 New York 74 74 37.1 .415 .357 .769 2.9 5.4 1.0 .1 16.4

in the warriors system starbury could easily avg 20 and 8 like baron

by azntigar78 on Jul 7, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up 1 recs

no

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up 0 recs

yes

by J-Triumf on Jul 8, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up 0 recs

Career #s are a little misleading

As Marbury had a great start to his career and has famously flamed out. He’s coming off of four years of declining PER. That’s never a good sign.

Baron, meanwhile, has shown no notable decline in his game. Statistically, his last two seasons have been the best and fourth-best of his career, respectively.

Moreover, the numbers you posted gloss over BD’s biggest advantage over Marbury: the fact that he’s a lot bigger and stronger, and, when healthy and motivated, is a solid rebounder and an active, lockdown defender. Marbury is notably awful on D and on the glass.

Career #s per 36 minutes
BD - Marbury
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Steals: 2.0 - 1.2
Blocks: 0.4 - 0.1 (wow, nice effort there Starbury!)
Rebounds: 4.1 - 2.8

On top of that, last season when he was on the floor, Starbury made his terrible team measurably worse (-3.9 net plus-minus), whereas BD was the single most important player to the Ws’ success (+5.7). Both of these numbers correlate well to anecdotal evidence, as nearly any Warriors or Knicks fan will attest.

In 2008, Baron Davis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephon Marbury. It’s not close.

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2008 8:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

+1

You are learning quite well, young one.

by jae on Jul 8, 2008 8:57 AM PDT up 0 recs

well, to be fair

I think the entire knick’s roster has been declining in PER mostly because they’re all having the life sucked out of them.

by dhp318 on Jul 8, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up 0 recs

by playing with

Isiah’s former pet Starbury

by sam23 on Jul 8, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up 0 recs

Who is doing that life sucking? Marbury has gone many places in his career now, enough to show that he doesn’t have a positive impact on things, enough to show that more often than not, he’s a drain on the squad.

The “Starbury” moniker bothers me to no end. Someone should demonstrate an ability to win games, if not to make his team better at least not make them worse before being labeled as a star. Hype over substance rules in the NBA once again.

by jae on Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up 0 recs

BD was the single most important player to the Ws’ success (+5.7).

Damn, it doesn’t look good for 08-09 then, Who was second?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 8, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up 0 recs

+1

I kinda figured a more in depth look at the stats would prove what is obvious to most observers on this one, but I was too lazy to take the time. Thanks for the reinforcement Sleepy. I dont know how you couldve watched Marbury and Baron the last couple years and come away thinking Starbury might be the better player….simply baffling.

by sam23 on Jul 8, 2008 10:00 AM PDT up 0 recs

olympian

He was in the Olympic team too right?

by bojangles408 on Jul 7, 2008 11:11 PM PDT 0 recs

and he stayed at a holiday inn express once

by Rach on Jul 7, 2008 11:13 PM PDT 0 recs

all i'm saying is

if starbury has the motivation he can have one or two more GOOD SOLID YEARS

and he would flourish in the warriors system b/c the warriors style is basically streetball and starbury is streetball.

would we win championships? we would be a long shot like every year, but we would be damn exciting like the past 2 years.

by azntigar78 on Jul 7, 2008 11:45 PM PDT 0 recs

At This Point

Why the hell not? As long as Stephon’s 21 mill expiring doesn’t cost us a run at Josh Smith/Iguodala/Brand, then I’m game.

If we can get him cheap after Ny buys him out, I’m game too.

I remember watching the Knicks /Warriors game, I think it was last year or maybe the 07 season, where Stephon torched us for 28 pts and 14 assists. He looked great running the point in a really fast paced game and the Knicks won that night.

I was stunned at how much game Steph still has left because we only hear about him being the Marlboro Light of the NBA (Cancer) and that he is a Jesus freak. I’d roll the dice on one year and see where it goes. If he acts up or pouts, then waive him. If he can Run and Gun and add to the chemistry, have him stick around a couple years if Deron doesn’t pan out.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 8, 2008 12:16 AM PDT 0 recs

Why the hell not?

for 21mill even for one year you better no for sure this guy is going to take us to the finals. you cant take a chance on somebody maybe being half as good as he use to be at 21 mill.

what gaurd didnt have a big game against us last year? i think blake had those #’s against us by half time in one game.

by Rach on Jul 8, 2008 7:53 AM PDT up 0 recs

starting 5:

Marbury
ellis
jacko
josh smith
biedrens

bench:

al
buikie
pietrus
watson
wright
bellinelli
hendrix
randolph

by azntigar78 on Jul 8, 2008 12:36 AM PDT 0 recs

huh

i seriously thought this was a joke at first
but then i thought about it-i guess if we could get him for real cheap it would be okay-but i wouldn’t want him in a starting role. i just don’t see him having the motivation to revive his career. and for some reason, i don’t think he would be a good fit. i would rather try a younger player with “upside” that we may be able to groom and keep later on or a less volatile veteran (pass first) who doesn’t need the ball in his hands all the time.
also hasn’t he said before he wants to go play in italy when his contract is up (be the david beckham of basketball)?

by gogoldenbears on Jul 8, 2008 8:00 AM PDT 0 recs