REPORT: MAGGETTE AGREES TO DEAL WITH WARRIORS
Sorry no source yet but I was watching ESPN news and Marc Stein just reported that Maggette agreed to midlevel(7-8 mil) deal with Warriors. Stein also reported the Warriors aren't done in the free agent market.
I'm assuming that Iguodala is out of the Warrior's sight. This will be a good alternative to Iggy and for a pretty good price. But my question is that I wonder if Maggette would play at the 2 or 3. I would say he's an upgrade over Azubuike.
Current Lineup:
PG: Ellis, Watson
SG: Maggette, Belinelli
SF: Jackson, Randolph
PF: Harrington, Wright, Hendrix
C: Biedrins, Perovich
I'd say that lineup is still mediocre. Throw J-Smoov in there and call it a day.
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here's a link
by b33b0 on Jul 8, 2008 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We are not done...
there is more…
by streetballer on Jul 8, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Nellieball - what do you mean REC THIS THREAD?
We moved immediately with an offer sheet to Turiaf? There was more…and quickly!
by streetballer on Jul 9, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He means recommend
At the bottom of the original article there is a line saying:
Email|Print|Flag|Rec|
Click on Rec to recommend it.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maggette
Not bad. Now let’s resign Monta and AB and pick up Hinrich.
by GoldenStateDubtronic on Jul 8, 2008 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Won't happen
Monta is your starter .. why waste money on a PG that is aback up?
by pree on Jul 8, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not?
Monta shouldn’t waste his time handling and distributing…he needs to concentrate on getting buckets..2 years ago: Hinrich 16pts, 6 asst. why wouldn’t you want that?
by GoldenStateDubtronic on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because of his contract
I should back off of “won’t happen” .. I just don’t think it should
by pree on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why waste money on a PG
Because Montay is a 2 guard. Why should we hafta suffer thru watching him play point when he does fine at 2 ?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 8, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
**FINGERS CROSSED**
If this is true, this better not be “IT”!!! I think MAGGETTE is a good player, but this move to pay him over $6 million per year can’t be the ONLY move they make!
Is this another knee-jerk reaction to losing out on BRAND? What does this mean to making a run at J-SMOOTH?
Scouting report on MAGGETTE has been he’s injury-prone and a mediocre defender! Greeeeat…just what we need! scratches head
Keep ‘em comin’ MULLY!!!
by scottiepimppen on Jul 8, 2008 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LA Times has it now too
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers9-2008jul09,0,7626268.story
I don’t like this deal very much. If we were going to pay $50 million for Maggette (which is overpaying for this guy), why not something like the $65 million the Clips gave to Baron? Baron is MUCH better than Maggette and meets a need.
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by Yoyo on Jul 8, 2008 6:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, so much for waiting. With Elton Brand officially out of the picture, league sources told the Chronicle that the Warriors have reached an agreement with free agent forward Corey Maggette on a five-year deal worth up to $50 million.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/warriors/author?blogid=39&auth=155
Isn’t 50 mil over 5 yrs a little too much for Maggette?? I guess this means Dubs won’t have a chance of landing Josh Smith.
by nautica on Jul 8, 2008 6:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It starts at 6 mil so we still have 10 mil to use on a free agent.
by joestar on Jul 8, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about luring Baron away and signing him. He only reached a verbal agreement and now the Clipps are going to suck.
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by camwoody on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Awful, awful deal
$10 M per for fucking Maggette?!!!!!! So, instead of Josh Smith even being “on the Warriors radar” for around $12 M per but instead we sign fucking Maggette for $10 M per?!! Worst decision ever (OK, oher than Foyle’s contract).
by Lifelong on Jul 8, 2008 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Starts at 6 mil foo read the damn posts. We have 10-12 for J. Smith.
J.Smith+Maggetter > BD
by joestar on Jul 8, 2008 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what post says only 6 mil?
sfgate says 10 mil. the espn article say more than the midlevel.
by DustyG on Jul 8, 2008 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a specific type of payment plan
He gets gradual increments I believe each year
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would mean
His last year in contract would be getting paid 14Mil it is a 2Mil pay increase I could be wrong though.
1 6Mil
2 8Mil
3 10Mil
4 12Mil
5 14Mil
If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh
by StephenO4 on Jul 8, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those numbers are certainly wrong. That’s a raise larger than allowed by the CBA.
by jae on Jul 9, 2008 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's actually worse b/c
that means towards the end when he’s 33 we’re going to be paying him $14 mill when he should basically be playing a stackhouse on the mavs role on a contender.
by the evil monkey on Jul 8, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOT NECESSARILY
you can put a positive spin on his last year being a very valuable trade commodity in the tune of $14 million dollars to a team that wouldn’t mind having MAGGETTE for 1 year and having his contract expire after!
by scottiepimppen on Jul 9, 2008 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Financials
I just wanna know what the terms of the deal is. Reports everywhere are conflicting
by FHWANG007 on Jul 8, 2008 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Man I am not a Maggete fan. He has great physical skills, but he plays selfish. He just isn’t a winner. Never had it at Duke when he left early and never had it obviously with the Clippers.
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 8, 2008 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree. plus if where is he gonna play? if he starts, monta basically has to be our point guard and i don’t think he’s ready yet. also, i think we’re overpaying him when younger guys with more upside like iggy and josh smith are around.
by jakeaco on Jul 8, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are resticted.
So if you offer them contracts you have to wait for their teams to decide to match up to 7 days. At the end of that period there teams match and then no one is left.
Thats why Maggette was the choice to go after.
It also still gives them chance to do more before resigning ellis and bieds if they want.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent...
thats an okay starting lineup, now get rid of harrington, pick up a decent pf and your set…
by MeTaLLiCs0naTaS on Jul 8, 2008 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding
5 year 50 mil, thats fucking terrible. put an extra 10 mil in there and throw it j-smooves way, sheesh. i like maggette, but i like josh smith WAYYYYYYYY more
by Thoang77 on Jul 8, 2008 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta matches that
They probably still match it if you throw in an extra 20M.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolute Disaster in Retrospect
1. Anything more than 40 mil to maggette is crazy. nobody was going to offer him more than 25 mil (Mid-level)
2. Now we cannot get a ball handler. Ellis, Jax, and Maggette must start. We would go ultra small.
by FHWANG007 on Jul 8, 2008 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we are not spurs
in other words, we have to pay more to lure decent players because we can’t entice them with chance of title. i like the signing because we still have 10 mil to a solid backup pg like heinrich. if we got jsmith we’d have to pay much more.
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by buttafingas on Jul 8, 2008 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I konw....
Paying mmore is one thing…paying double is idiocy
We can’t spend “10 mil” because we still need to resign biedrins and ellis
by FHWANG007 on Jul 8, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no no...
your numbers are wrong. They can still resign both guys and sign one more.
by mikey J on Jul 8, 2008 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers are really going to be 4 years/ 36M
Unless he becomes and all star, we’re trading him as an expiring contract in the offseason before the 5th year.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad start...
still got 40 mil left in cap since he was signed for MLE. Assuming Monta/Andris take half, i say we gotta push for Smith. He was made for Nellieball and will be apart of our young core. A definate upgrade over Al IMO.
by Spee-D on Jul 8, 2008 6:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade with the Blazers
They have four point guards.
Jared Bayless- Can’t have him.
Steve Blake- Pure PG who is a really solid role player. Great 3 point shooter.
Sergio RodrÃguez- Talented passer who likes to run. Not a great shooter , but he is still really young. He does stuff like this a lot.
Petteri Koponen- The Suns really want him. 6’4 pg who likes to pass. He still lives in Finland and is only 20 years old.
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by Winchester on Jul 8, 2008 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
also
they have Rudy Fernandez coming… they have way too many players and their GM loves to trade
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year
by gsw4life on Jul 8, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify
Rudy is a 2. Yes..we do have too many players.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio
Would be a great fit for Nellie ball. And he is unhappy in Portland.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are the chances
Hey guys, what do you think the chances are of the Warriors re-signing Kelenna?
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by starry night on Jul 8, 2008 6:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Barnes and Pietrus gone.
and allowed to go over the cap for your own players. I believe he will be back.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
stuff like this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pae5GLy-9Zc
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by Winchester on Jul 8, 2008 6:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is kind of an odd move.
I don’t like moving Monta to the point. Monta is probably more effective playing off the ball than being our starting point… Our lineup looks ok on paper, but our team still needs shooters, leadership, and defense. I’m not sure Maggette fills any of those needs. From a financial standpoint, Maggette is cheaper, but he might not be the best fit for our team. Josh Smith might have fit our system better than Maggette. We’ll see how it works out.
by The Daydreamer on Jul 8, 2008 6:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maggette fits our needs...
to an certain extent. Hes a big 2 maybe 3 would can get rebound and most importantly, doesnt rely on his jump shots. I like this move because he has a nose for the basket and can draw fouls, something that the Warriors lacked.
Interesting that he settled for only the MLE when he clearly wanted more. I wonder if his gunna get traded
by Spee-D on Jul 8, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Bad
still rather have J Rich though, I just hope Wright breaks out soon and I can move finally on from losing him
by TonyDelk on Jul 8, 2008 7:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade with the Pistions.
Anyone think this signing was just to get Billups from the Pistons? I was reading on hoopsworld that a trade might happen with Harrington but there is no way the Pistons would make that deal and they have been really interested in Maggette.
by RuCuS on Jul 8, 2008 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t there some rule about not being able to trade players you have just signed? Like a 6th month period? Or is that just with drafted players signed?
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by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed
His style doesn’t fit nellieball too much since he draws fouls like a mutha but we need that. He’s already a better FT shooter than a lot of our guys. I’m intrigued to see him play under Nellie though.
by disguy on Jul 8, 2008 7:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't hate on maggette
First, he seems like a guy who would flourish under nelson’s system and be so happy to not be under Dunleavy’s stilted offense with too many set plays that it would give him new life.
Second, we are a score first team – we may want a guy who plays great defense and shuts guys down and slows the other team’s offense – but nellie wouldn’t play him. maggette is a scorer and with baron’s points leaving we need a guy who can score from anywhere on the floor like baron did- Maggette can
Third, people are calling for leadership and defense – I think SJax brings that
Finally, unlike maggette, Josh Smith will think this is HIS team – not Monta’s team. Could cause trouble down the road.
Maggette isn’t perfect but I doubt we could get him by paying much less.
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by buttafingas on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maggette also gets to the line a ton
He shoots at a high FG% for his position and scores efficiently. He’s an offensive machine.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this is a six million per year contract like some are saying, its a pretty good move (only reservation is that it probably puts us higher in the lottery and probably doesn’t let a guy like Buike shine, but you never know)
If it’s a ten million per year contract like some are saying, WTF ARE YOU DOING MULLIN? I’ve defended your moves a lot but if we are giving an injury prone twenty nine year old 3rd/4th option player 50 million, why couldn’t we just have given Baron, an injury prone twenty nine year old 1st/2nd option player, 65 million? Not to mention Baron is a PG, the position we don’t have, while Maggette is an SG, the position we do.
If it’s 8 mil then I don’t really know. I guess I’ll wait until he signs to judge it, but I’ve got all the responses ready.
by belilaugh on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN confirms it.
A starting salary above the mid-level exception, which is expected to approach $6 million.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3479117
I wish I knew the exact terms. $6-7M and I’m pretty thrilled. That’s roughly what MP2 got from the Magic. $10M and I’m less than thrilled.
Now bring us JSmooth and let the Left Coast Movement begin!!!!
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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2008 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully midlevel
if we got him for the midlevel i would go crazy. if we got him for a little above the midlevel i would be excited. if we got him for 10 mil a year, i would be pretty disappointed…
by gogoldenbears on Jul 8, 2008 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol at the Clips
in the span of a few minutes, they find out they just lost their two best players from last season. To all the people clamoring for Josh Smith: let it go, we’re not getting him, ATL will match any offer. Maggette is a good pick-up imo. He’s a guy that can score in a multitude of ways and can create his own offense. And it seems like he keeps getting better unlike BD whose best years are behind him. There’s a reason why teams like the Celtics and Spurs were wanting this guy. Now Mullin needs to pull a Billy Beane and trade for a decent PG
by Money Ball on Jul 8, 2008 7:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the celtics and spurs
would have gotten him for the MLE. If that’s what the warriors signed him for it would’ve been great, but it’s not.
by kinetic on Jul 8, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we gotta spend more
Obviously, we have to spend more for a player like Maggette because we can’t guarantee that we’ll be contending for a championship. Seriously, who would you like to give the money to instead? BD’s gone, Brand wanted to go to Philly. All that’s left is Maggette and a bunch of scrubs. It’s very difficult to sign a restricted free agent because their team can match any offer. If we don’t spend the money, it means we’re definitely rebuilding this year. This move shows that Mullin is trying to contend this year.
by Money Ball on Jul 8, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this signing
is dumb as hell. He’s signing for OVER the MLE, not like some of you are saying. Maggette is a good player, a great sixth man, but that’s it. He’s a 6th man! We already have a good scoring option in Monta, Maggette isn’t filling a need for the warriors and he’s being WAY OVERPAID.
Seriously though, if they’re willing to give Maggette a 5-year 50 million dollar deal, why didn’t they just resign baron. I have absolutely zero faith in Mullin.
by kinetic on Jul 8, 2008 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Warriors would have ended up
with nothing then
There is no plan B
The restricted guys are long shots at best and Maggette would be gone
they had to over pay a bit
by SFzig on Jul 8, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
You mean nothing besides what we already have, and what we could do through trades, right?
And it’s not a given that we couldn’t/can’t get anyone else.
by DustyG on Jul 8, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course its not a given
trade who?
Sign who
Wishes don’t get you much
All I am saying is they had to make a move now. Its not like Maggette was going to sit around and wait. Its unlikely they were going to get a restricted guy
So we are left with the Al Harrington and a bag of old basketballs sort of wishing
they need depth. They were thin last year and just lost there top scorer. They had to make this deal and it seems it doesn’t preclude a future trade anyway
by SFzig on Jul 8, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what do we already have?
some young player but do you really want to go into the year with Monta as your first option and captian JAX as your second without a single other proven scorer on the team
by SFzig on Jul 8, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they didn't...
They could have waited until next year. I’ve endured 13 straight years of futility, one more year is not going to phase me.
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do that when they might have a pretty good team
by signing a few guys?
Wait until next for what?
by SFzig on Jul 8, 2008 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to offer someone better than Maggette
that kind of money
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After this year all the money would have been gone anyway because of Ellis, and Biedrens resigning. Might as well use the money while you have.
by joestar on Jul 8, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How the hell...
He scored 22 pt a game last year and he’s a sixth man? He must be playing for a team that scores over 130 pts if that was the case. Hey, I think we might be able to do that.
by joestar on Jul 8, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron's older, history of injuries,
And will break down at some point probably in the next 2 years. Mullin got rid of him before he started having problems. Kinda like hustling someone on that used car before the transmission goes out.
by goldenstatefan on Jul 9, 2008 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like
the fact that if we ever cant buy a bucket, all this guy will do is drive to the rim and make two free throws. Whoever mentioned it earlier has the right idea. Maggette could single handedly prevent us from going into a ridiculous shooting slump.
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by sloth11 on Jul 8, 2008 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, OK
Everyone calm down. Maggette averaged 22 a game last season. Baron averaged 21. If you plug Maggette in and acquire Hinrich for Harrington, then the scoring will be around the same. You still have 3 20+ scorers with Jack, Maggette, and Monta, providing that Hinrich is there to play point and take the playmaking pressure off Monta. Jack will be a little out of position at the 4, but it’s not like he hasn’t played the 4 in Nellie’s system before. I’m sure there’ll be some lineup shuffling.
Lineup
G Hinrich/Ellis
G Ellis/Maggette
F Maggette/Jackson
F Jackson/Wright
C Biedrins
by dindin on Jul 8, 2008 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of getting Hinrich,
because monta can NOT play the point and the warriors need a PG that can guard SGs. Jackson at the 4? Really? This team just gets worse and worse.
Also, I’ve heard that the bulls aren’t trading hinrich.
by kinetic on Jul 8, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could dig that
But I’d prefer to get ahold of someone like Felton at point—maybe by trading TMNT or Capn
by DustyG on Jul 8, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
get ahold of someone like Felton at point
“maybe by trading TMNT or Capn?”
The logical one to try to trade for Felton would be Montay. Magette can be our new 2 guard and Felton can play point better than Montay. Why carry two 2 guards instead of one point and one 2?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 8, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I think a backcourt of Felton and Monta would work well. I feel that Felton could guard many 2 guards cause of his combo of strength and quickness (he is short however). I think he’s like Baron in that regard.
Otherwise, I think Monta is more valuable than Felton. Also, I feel that Maggette is a SF in the W’s system, and Monta should stay at the 2 spot (on offense).
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
He will still be an undersized defender no matter how quick he is. The player he is defending can simply shoot over him.
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by kenntoe on Jul 9, 2008 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
“No.”
I guess that wraps it up.
Please tell me how Baron can guard twos then…or for that matter how anyone who is shorter than anyone else ever has a shot at basketball.
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See the difference?
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/raymond_felton/
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/baron_davis/
About 2 inches and 15 lbs (more before Baron lost weight). And Baron isn’t the best solution on SGs, he was a band and because it was necessary. Felton would just be even worse.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
Maybe we should get a PG a little bigger than Felton, maybe more like BD?
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe we get a SG
And just say “screw the PG”, grab a Steve Blake or a Delonte West to come off the bench when the offense starts to stagnate, and call it a day. We’re not a normal team, so the skills we need will not be the status quo.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Smith likley wasn't comng here
ATL is going to match any offer
If the Warriors waited they might have ended up with nothing and you would all be angry
Pay aside I think this is a good deal. Don’t forget how thin the Warriors were last year before we lost Baron (and now Pietrus). You really don’t want JAX as the second option on your team as we all know. that is bad news.
MAGGETTE gives them more depth, a proven volume scorer who can shoot the 3 a bit (shoot it pretty well last year in fact), makes free throws, gets to the line (which we needed badly last year) and can rebound well for his size. Would you rather have Maggette or Jax trying to take guys off the dribble when things break down?
Starter or not really doesn’t matter. You know Nelson will be playing lineup with Maggette and JAX out there with two other guards and a big
Now they really need a solid point, starter or not, as insurance for mix and match line-ups and I think they might be good to go
by SFzig on Jul 8, 2008 7:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maggette is not a "volume scorer"
He scores very, very efficiently. He has the best PPG:FGA ratio at 22.1:14.3. He has the second best FTA/FGA ratio at 9.7:14.3 (Leon Powe is best at 3.4:4.8).
Other than that, I agree with your sentiments.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Sure
But Maggette will probably play more 3 than 2. He’s huge, and the Dubs usually play small. I feel like that might mean that the deals aren’t done and that the Cap’n might be on the move.
by DustyG on Jul 8, 2008 7:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope that its for less money than that
He’s a glorified role playing scorer. As many have posted on here, he’s a great third option, maybe even 2nd… but he’s definitely not worth $10 mil a year. That’s Monta Ellis type money… not Corey Maggette type money.
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Calm down
I’ve been told what the Warriors’ plan is and am writing an article up right now
by pree on Jul 8, 2008 7:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Told by whom?
Can we get the first paragraph? Pretty please?
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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2008 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
The things I do for loyal readership ..
With Elton Brand reportedly opting to join the Philadelphia 76ers and Gilbert Arenas sticking with the Washington Wizards, the Golden State Warriors got their third option. Corey Maggette is expected to sign a five-year, $50-million deal with the team as soon as the NBA’s free-agent moratorium is lifted tonight.
Maggette doesn’t necessarily fill a position need for the Warriors, but informed sources told HOOPSWORLD that the team will now look into trade options for Al Harrington, hoping to net a backup point guard and an additional big man.
by pree on Jul 8, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHHHH!!!!!! YAHOO!!!
Bye Al
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You rule, Pree.
So assuming subsequent moves are of the “fill-in” variety (Harrington for Sideshow Andy?), is this our starting 5 next year?
Monta
Jackson
Maggette
Wright
Biedrins
Meh, not bad, not great.
And what of Iggy and Smooth? Do they stay put? Are the Ws interested? Do the Clips now go after them?
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by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith
Clips have 11,500,000 reasons they might get Smith. I think that will happen and ATL won’t match.
by pree on Jul 8, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pree
I just read a rumor on a message board/ and heard that James Posey was coming to GSW. Any news on that rumor?
by phiLthyphiL on Jul 8, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NM
on that rumor…derived from a Boston message board that included “Posey” instead of Maggette.
by phiLthyphiL on Jul 8, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sleepy.
That lineup really doesn’t do much for me.
Meh…is exactly the feeling. It’s still not a given that we’ll be in the Playoffs. And it also is a better roster that shouldn’t expect to be in line for a high lottery pick.
So woo-hoo. Thanks Mullin & Co, for setting this franchise up for being not great, and not horrible, but somewhere in-between. You are such a tease.
My first reaction when i saw this thread was: “Oh Crap”.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 8, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
what were the alternatives? I for one like that the organization is trying to put the best team possible on the court.
And chill with the Josh Smith b.s. because ATL says they’ll match any offer. I wouldn’t want to spend the amount ATL wouldn’t match.
by mikey J on Jul 8, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
He was not really a realistic option.. Just like the teams saying there gonna sign Ellis.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'll chill
But if Pree is right that the Clips may snag Smith for $11M per, I reserve the right to throw an online sh*tfit, replete with F-bombs, multiple exclamation points, ALL CAPS, and unflatteringly photoshopped portraits of Mullin.
And then I’m going to seriously consider reclaiming my Boston roots and jumping on the Green Bandwagon.
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 8, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he does end up going there
doesnt mean he ever wanted to come here.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ..
It could be MORE than that $11-mil mark if they open more cap space like they planned to do for Brand.
by pree on Jul 8, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances Atlanta still wouldnt match
They said they would match anything right?
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll reclaim my New York roots and join the Knicks bandwagon....
...if we actually end up paying $10 mil for Maggette, who really should be the Six-Million-Dollar Man (not Steve Austin) AND the Clips somehow get Josh Smith for $11 mil. But I’ll believe that when I see it. Why in the name of Dominique Wilkins would ATL let Smith walk for that paltry (by budding-star standards) sum like that after issuing a Mullin-like statement that they’ll match any offer for him.
As it is, like most sane GSOMers, I’d love the Maggette deal at $8 mil over four, hate it at $10 mil over five. But it sounds like that’s what we’ve got.
PS-Whatever else comes out of this disastrous off-season, it was a pleasant-even joyous—shock to watch the little Brand/Baron lovefest in LA blow up just days after it started. I’d say Brand is about as reliable a “mate” as Tila Tequila.
by BlueInTheFace on Jul 9, 2008 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maggette at $50M/5 years and Josh Smith STARTING at 11.5M are very different
Maggette starts at 8.6M. You’re talking about a 20M difference over 5 years. Will Atlanta match? Probably.
But Brand can’t play for both teams… there’s the difference between him and Tila.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Knicks bandwagon? :-(
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 9, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Smith is/was an option for our team.
We need a PG/PF to really solidify this team into the upper-echelon of the WC.
I’d actually prefer a year of sucky-ness and land a high draft pick than waste another 5 years hovering between the late lottery to hopeful 8th seed.
Yes, I know, I know that high draft picks are never guaranteed, but at least we have some assets (Wright, Randolph, Bellinelli, cap room) to trade up.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 8, 2008 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith would play PF
in the dubs system. He rebounds and blocks shots at a good rate. He would have been a great fit, and at a needed position, unlike Maggette.
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We better get a PG....
There’s no way that Monta instigates the type of ball movement that Baron did. It just simply won’t work without a PG.
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by Zorgon on Jul 9, 2008 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we need a BD clone?
Why does everything have to stay the same? Why can’t we get somebody more similar to Arenas (Score first PG)? Why is there so much lamenting what’s been lost as opposed to looking to the future?
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One reason
Monta can’t guard twos, and ideally we’d have a large PG that can switch on D.
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point, sir, was that Monta could be our PG
Thus, we could have a score first PG and a normal SG. No switching on D.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
But the reason Monta plays two is cause he doens’t do PG duty all that well. I think that’s been covered quite a bit. But he’s undersized as a two. BD enabled that sitch to work out fine cause hes quick and strong enough to guard twos.
Having said that, I think that theres a chance that Monta could develop into an adequate PG. Also I think that if you have two combos in the back that could be equivalent to the conventional PG/SG setup, especially in the Ws system that values those skills.
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If your definition of PG duty is "playing like BD" then yes, Monta doesn't do that perfectly
Have you ever heard of a guy named Gilbert Arenas? He scores 29PPG and hands out 5 APG. He’s been criticized by his teammates for not passing enough, yet his team is pretty darn good when he’s on the floor.
Monta doesn’t need to be a PG in the traditional sense (as I’ve said over, and over, and over). On defense, he NEEDS to guard smaller guards who typically tend to be considered PGs. On offense, he’s dangerous with the ball in his hands, so he’ll be the primary ball handler. Does that make him the de facto PG? Sure, whatever that means. I don’t understand why this is so complicated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Criteria for a PG:
Ballhandler and distributor. And IMO he doesn’t do either particularly well. He can slash and drive with the ball, but not otherwise. And he’s not gifted as a distributor (yet?).
This has nothing to do with BD, individually. What is does have to do with what BD brings to the court. Size to guard the two so that Monta can guard the PG, and ballhanding and distributing on the offensive end.
I don’t know if using Arenasand the Wizards as your example is doing you any favors. Wizards have a ton of talent and haven’t done much with it. I think it’s because they don’t play enough as a team, which is what a good PG can do for you.
“I don’t understand why this is so complicated.” You mean why is it so difficult for me to understand your opinion, which is so obviously correct?
We have differing opinions, and I offer mine as such. I see some issues with the way you think, and vice-versa.
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh shit
there another bad signing. ppl we sign the wrong clippers. I wanted Brand not Maggette.oh well at least he still got his health. his ass better put up 22,6,5 for us.
by warriorfan4life on Jul 8, 2008 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I can see 20, 6...
but five assists are a stretch. That and his type of offense is very one on one, meaning reduced ball movement should he be a #1-2 option. I know it didn’t seem like there was a lot of ball movement, but Baron Davis was a dominant point guard. Who was the 2nd best scorer on the Clippers? Probably someone around the 15-16 range. That’s probably why he scored 22 PPG last season. Over inflated numbers on a fairly weak team. This team had three players who averaged 20+ PPG. Man.. I’m just ranting but I DO NOT WANT TO SEE HIM MAKE THIS MUCH!!!!!!!!!
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warriors wanted Brand too
whats your point?
Everyone posts here like the Warriors determine all of this
by SFzig on Jul 8, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe exactly
It would be nice tho if the warriors just decide who they want and players and others teams have to just go along with the wishes.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh please.....
hurry Pree. this Mid-level to 10 million shiet is killing me!
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 8, 2008 7:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Would 50 million/5 years be...
something like this…
Year 1 = 6 mil
Year 2 = 8 mil
Year 3 = 10 mil
Year 4 = 12 mil
Year 5 = 14 mil
Total = 50 mil
by nautica on Jul 8, 2008 7:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be the third one to say...
calm the @# down! We don’t even know the financial terms of the deal yet. I’d be very surprised if we actually gave him $10 mil per year considering the most that other teams could offer him was the full MLE. If we get him for 7-8 mil per year it’s a GREAT signing.
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by gsw4life on Jul 8, 2008 7:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess you're surprised then
I would live w/ $8 mil/yr…. but if it’s backloaded and he’s getting $14 mil at the backend… he would be a very hard player to move toward the end.
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 8, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the last year
that 14 million expiring contract may become very valuable in a trade.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or it could be a team option
Who knows. Wait till the cookie crumbles to count up the crumbs.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this signing
is just like the movie harold and kumar escape from guantanamo bay…..not one that you would run to the movies like an iron man but a decent rental…
Also I guess this signing would effectively eliminate us from the Deron Williams sweepstakes next year, unless of course we can trade Stephen Jackson to a contender by mid season…
at least were better than the clips….I can live with that
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Jul 8, 2008 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf?
who would settle for being better than the clips? that ain’t nothing to live for…..lol.
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 8, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D williams will
be restricted right?
If so the chance he ended up on the Warriors would be .01%
by SFzig on Jul 8, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
same chance
the clips might get josh smith
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Jul 8, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love D-Will but we have no chance at him. I think he’s going sign a Chris Paul type extension.
by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
until he does
we have a chance
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Jul 8, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
read my post below
once we resign ellis and bieds we wont have the cap room, so next year doesnt matter.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why
i said by signing maggette we have eliminated ourselves in hopefully luring williams out of utah next year…
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Jul 8, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But even if we dont sign Maggette
We our going to be up to the cap after resigning Ellis and Bieds are only chance to sign anyone was this summer beofre they are under contract.
So its either sign maggatte , then ellis and bieds and be over cap.
or sign ellis and bieds and be over cap.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason we have cap room now is because..
we have not resigned ellis and biedrins yet. Once we do that we will have no cap room. Regardless if we sign anyone else or not. So that’s why we have to over pay a lil to Maggette now. Once we resign Ellis and Biedrins we will be over the cap.
So there making moves now to get other players here before that happens.
Be happy they did something.
So stop with the wait till next year with cap room stuff, that is not an option….......
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If it's
5 years for $50m…wow. JUST WOW
Baron Davis 5 years $65 million >>>>>>>>>> Corey Maggette 5 years $50 million.
That’s all I can say about that.
by phiLthyphiL on Jul 8, 2008 8:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dont compare the two straight up.
This is only happening because Baron already left not instead of him. Plus Corey will play for 5 years. Baron will be done in 3, probably less now with the Clippers being worse. We all know he only plays when he wants too and he will not be motivated as much.
Also once again look up to what I wrote We only have a lil room until, we resign ellis and bieds. At that point we will have no room to sign anyone regardless. We had to over pay a lil for Maggette because if we offered him the mid level he would have signed with the spurs or celts.
So we had to make the move to sign him to a bigger deal to get him to come here. Be happy they signed someone before the ellis and bieds deals are done.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't mind Maggette at all...
Some people really dislike him, but if it’s $50mm.. Jeez….I really like the signing if it’s $7-$8mm. The leftover could’ve gone towards resigning Kaz or possibly someone else.
by phiLthyphiL on Jul 8, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is our own player
We can go over the cap to resign kaz, this deal wont stop that. Remember we lost Barnes and Pietrus off the books also.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah 7-8 might be great
but why would he choose us instead of top contenders like boston or spurs?
by GSwarrior on Jul 8, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they
weren’t looking to give him 5 years, he wouldn’t start on Boston. Maybe he’d start on San Antonio, but with Baron gone, he’d probably have a larger role with us rather than the latter two teams.
by phiLthyphiL on Jul 8, 2008 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maggette…............Cmon…......Mediocre
by dontchrip on Jul 8, 2008 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maggette had a higher FG%, 3pt FG%, FT%, and scoring average than BD last season. I’m not saying he’s worth 10 mil a year but I don’t think BD is worth his contract either.
by Money Ball on Jul 8, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends on the exact terms of the deal
i actually like the fact that corey maggette is coming to the warriors. HOW MUCH i like him coming depends on the terms of the deal. it was obvious that the warriors would have to overpay to land maggette, otherwise he would have chosen an instant contender that offered him the MLE. but that doesn’t make 10 mil/year (average) right. the MLE is expected to be a little less than 6mil this year. so if we sign him to 7-8 mil average, i’m ok with this. but 10 is a serious overpayment, any way you slice it. reports are just that, and we’ll have to wait until the morning to see what the exact terms are. i’m really hoping the 5 year deal doesn’t exceed 40 mil, but i also think i’m wrong.
by Run Dubz on Jul 8, 2008 8:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pree said 5 year 50 mill above
He has the best sources out of anyone here. So that is probably right.
It was either pay him that or not get him at all. Also if we didnt get him we prob would be left with the same roster with out him and about up to the cap once ellis and bieds resign.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard 5/50 from eight people
Literally .. eight .. some with the Warriors and others are from the other teams that wanted him.
by pree on Jul 8, 2008 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be starting at like 8 million...
... or so the first year right. Which is that much over the mle and seems like what it would have taken to get him here. Makes sense.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense.
Heard anything on what they may try to do with the remaining cap space they have left, unleast until they resign Bieds and Ellis.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"thrive in Nellie's system"
I’m not hating on Maggette (in fact I like the move) but can we please put the phrase “player X should thrive in Nellie’s system” to rest? EVERY PLAYER except for purely defensive-minded players like Bruce Bowen and Desagna Diop would thrive in Nellie’s system.
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by gsw4life on Jul 8, 2008 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hehe
but isnt it fun saying it with everyone.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I COMPLETELY agree with you but I also think it is fair to say that Nellie prefers players that cause match-up problems, and Maggette certainly is that. One of the strongest players in the league at his position. Nelson likes unusual players that are difficult to defend one on one.
Think of the some players that have thrived under nelson
Baron- one of the strongest pgs in the nba
Monta- quickness
Jackson- LENGTH at his position
Dirk- Length and abnormal shooting ability for his size
Nash- quickness
Hardaway- quickness
by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Maggettes contract tho
EVERYONE PLEASE REC THIS THREAD!!!!
by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, but its what it took to get him here
And this summer since we havent signed ellie and bieds yet was our only chance to get anyone. So be glad they did something.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have made the best of a bad situation
they never thought Baron would opt out, so they were not expecting any of this. At least there doing something.
I wonder if the report is true that Brand and Baron had a hand shake deal in place. But Brand broke it when the clippers pissed him off. If it’s true wonder how Baron feels now.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elton
won’t be sleeping in the top bunk at Baron’s house anymore. That’s for sure.
by phiLthyphiL on Jul 8, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe yep
Bet the chances of Baron being “hurt” next season go up alot more now.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he just stubbed his toe moving into his new house...
Guess he’s gonna have to skip preseason to direct “Hangin’ with Mr. Cooper”.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just heard on the radio that Baron isn’t gonna reneg on his Clips deal. Good thing he doesn’t care about winning. I was really scared for awhile he was going to turn around and pull something like signing with the Lake show for the midlevel. That would be devastating.
by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really can't reneg at this point
There really is no where else for him to go. It’s just go to the clipps now. Get paid and forget about winning.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will be happy if Maggette
can perform at a high level throughout all 5 years his contract. Gotta hope Monta, BW, and Randolph can develop into something special
by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maggette
corey is a decent player, we overpaid for him and we aren’t going to win a championship with our current lineup now or ever. it really sucks I miss baron more and more.
by Foulacy on Jul 8, 2008 9:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
kelenna
I would have liked to see Azubuike get resigned and get the PT over Maggette. If Kelenna played on the Clippers last season and had as much PT and took as many shots as Maggette, he’d have similar numbers.
by unblinded on Jul 8, 2008 9:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maggette does inprove the warriors though
with his ability to go to the line and hit free throws something the warriors need help at but not a #1 Priority.
If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh
by StephenO4 on Jul 8, 2008 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
can we get this straight....
ive been reading different post, websites, etc.
im tryna figure out the exact deal we offered Maggette. If its 5yr, 50mil does it start our at 6 then raise like some said, or does it start at 10 (which i hope isnt right), or wha.
by Spee-D on Jul 8, 2008 9:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
5 years 50 million
First year starts at 8.5 million and goes up from there.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Jae
he’s starting at about 8.62 mil for next year
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2008/7/8/567613/state-of-the-team-and-the
If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh
by StephenO4 on Jul 8, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jUST ABOUT all CONTRACTS ESCALATE
thats the way you sign a player with a total contract value yet keep the current cap year number down. Those of you who do not understand go back to school and learn math.
Magette was a GREAT pick up!
by smearthebeard on Jul 8, 2008 9:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
unless your smart
like whoever the bulls cap guy is. too bad their GM is an idiot and over pays for role players like heinrich and nocioni.
by the evil monkey on Jul 8, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
warriors offered more than mid level exc for first year…therefore the reason why maggette didnt go to high caliber team like spurs, detroit, or boston who could only afford mid level at 5.82 million i believe. If it is 8.5 million for first year….its a so so pickup…i just hope we arent done yet
by war i are. on Jul 8, 2008 9:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright, my story has been filed ..
The gist of it is that the team is going to look into moving Harrington for backup center/point guard. I got a list of names the team is going to look at next, worded carefully. Guys like Turiaf, Krstic, possibly Arroyo, Dooling. Nothing all that new other than the word of what they want to do more directly.
by pree on Jul 8, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thanx for the article
Makes me feel even better about the state of things, especially compared to a week ago.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS THE START
Of Post Davis Era But It Was Too Much For Him… So We Have Another “J-Rich” Back (Look @ The Numbers) And We Are Kind Of Back In Square When We Went To The Playoffs… Except For We Don’t Have A Quaterback… I Mean PG. So I Would Assume The Next Step We Need 2 Do Is Go And Get A PG! And Once Again, Monta Is NOT A PG…. Get A Real Legit One
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by YayArea510 on Jul 8, 2008 10:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The caps and grammar nearly blinded me there.
by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man oh man...
I thought it was around the 6-7 mil range. When I heard it was it was around 5 for 50 million for maggette I was shocked. We could easily use the extra cap space more for JOSH SMITH and still have plenty enough for monta and biedrins. But everyone… look at our team before you figure all of this out.
Getting Josh Smith, Monta, and AB would’ve given us close to nothing for our more additional bench playes and/or the point guard that we NEED.
It looks like this was a move to sort of fill the PG spot as well and pick up a decent FA. He’s not great, but the above comments are right. The guy can certainly take it to the hole and is a smart (but fragile) player.
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by RayAlmeda on Jul 8, 2008 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Josh Smith is restricted
We couldnt get him for a decent deal without way over paying for him. He was never really a realistic option.
If we made a fair deal to him, it could have and would have been matched by atlanta.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we could of made his contract a descending one
overpaying him like 15 mill the first year which might of put atlanta over the luxury tax and therefore unwilling to pay. even if they went into tax territory this yr for smith, they lose childress for sure. and childress might of been one of the few guys willing to take less to come play in oakland where he had a starting 2 guard opportunity and familiarity w/ the bay.
by the evil monkey on Jul 8, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea but is the wait worth it
While you wait the week for ATL to decide to match, everyone else gets signed. Then you can end up with nothing.
Thats what made Maggette the safer chocie. If Maggette would having have been out there.
Your idea then would have been the best way to go.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Maggette gets injured or we trade Jackson or something, we pretty much just made a small step forwards which is really a giant step backwards. This team really just reminds me of last years Kings, which means a little less than or around .500, which means the 12th pick, which means no point guard of the future. I don’t really like it. By not signing Baron we said we were in rebuild mode, so why are we making deals that will make us mediocre? Sometimes you have to go down to go up. I would have been fine with one year of losing if it meant more years of winning down the road. Not only that, I’m sick of Azubuike not getting his minutes. Really, everytime he’s gotten consistent minutes he has produced. Why don’t we see what we have? Hopefully we don’t trade for a mediocre PF that will take minutes away from Wright too.
I keep thinking this franchise has a direction we are going in, but it’s just back and forth. I guess we’ll see how it works out.
by belilaugh on Jul 8, 2008 10:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IS anyone else watching Sportscenter?????
Scott Van Pelt’s exact words when describing the Maggette situation, “he comes pretty cheap, starting salary at 6 mill a year”
I know I’m not hearing things, anyone else hear this? Is Van Pelt just misinformed or did he just misremember?
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 8, 2008 10:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
yes those are the exact words, i just heard it too. espn doesn’t always report the correct stuff on TV but i’ll cross my fingers.
by Foulacy on Jul 8, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its starting at 8.5 or so.
Pree already stated so and he has contacts close to the warriors.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Heard
Him Say The Same Thing But Like I Would Rather Listen 2 What Stein Says And Not Van Pelt
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by YayArea510 on Jul 8, 2008 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure
You could say the Warriors overpaid for Maggette. They paid about 2 million over the MLE for the first year. But, whose to say Maggette wouldn’t have signed with a Spurs, Celtics, etc. for the MLE if the Warriors offered less. We are losing sight that Golden State isnt exactly a destination for free agents. I bet if we didn’t give THAT much more then we lose out on Maggette and every other free agent. Neccessary and under rated move by the warriors if you ask me.
Playoffs!!??
by PAWarrior on Jul 8, 2008 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN also said ..
Anthony Morelli was still on Penn State earlier today
by pree on Jul 8, 2008 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just sayin'
It was Josh Elliot. It made me sad that they’re the WorldWide Leader. Anyone can make tha tmistake, but I’m a basketball guy and I even knew that he left.
by pree on Jul 8, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumbest thing
is we basically bid against ourselves since no one else could offer more than the $5.585 million exception.
by the evil monkey on Jul 8, 2008 10:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Maggette for 5 years 40 million, i would be all over it. you could even twist my arm and get it up to 43-44-45. but 50?
I like Maggette, but not at this price.
by Nellieball on Jul 8, 2008 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
what the other teams like the spurs and the celtics had was that they were winning teams..and that is y their team was attractive to mags even if they cud only offer the mas of 5.85mil. we had to overpay coz if we didnt, he wudnt be signing here
by japoyy on Jul 9, 2008 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
This Is Not Exactly The Lakers Or The Spurs, But I’m Sure It Would Have Been A Little Wiser To Trade Or Acquire Through The Draft Than To Overpay A Man For 5 Years. The Warriors Are Starting To Acquire Many Of The Same People On Their Team EXCEPT For POINT GUARD And CENTER. No Need For SG (Monta,Belleneli,Azubuike), SF (Jackson,Randolph), PF(Harrington(?),Wright,Hendrix).
"Going To Be An Interesting Year"
by YayArea510 on Jul 8, 2008 10:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The only people that respond to your posts are those that ask for clarity
Nobody reads these things. If you want your opinions to be understood and commented upon, write them clearly, please.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a HORRIBLE signing
I’m furious right now. In no way at all did we need a brittle SF. Maggette has averaged 62 games per year over the last 7 seasons. We needed a PG or a power player, plain and simple. Maggette is redundant. I would have rather have seen Petrius or Buke get the minutes. We are now back to being a mediocre team, locked into the last couple lottery picks. I can only hope Mully has more up his sleeve, because right now, I’m ashamed of him.
by OperationWayne on Jul 8, 2008 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Horrible Signing
-10000 on Pietrus….+1 on Buke..
AFter losing Baron, I’d rather save all our cap room and got into complete rebuild mode a la Nba 2k8 on xbox.
I’d sign a bunch of wily vets off the waiver wire and NBDLers to one year contracts. I’d trade Jack/Harrington for pure draft picks/cap space and sit back and watch Monta Ellis put up 30ppg while B Wright played 40 mins a night. Belinelli and Randolph would also start and Rod Benson would be a super sub off the bench and frequenter bl0gger friend of sb nation. I’d throw White Chocolate a 1 year 7 mill contract just for entertainment value and sit back and watch us lose 55 games in entertaining fashion.
We’d get a top 3 pick in the draft where we could decide between rubio or jennings and our young guns would have a full nba season of development under their belt. We’d still be 20 mill under the cap and could go from there.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 8, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only teams you can trade jax/tmtnt for draft picks
are the clips or griz because they are under the cap, otherwise we have to match contracts. So that’s not an option. This really was our only choice and in the situation we were in, was actually a great signing.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the only thing is that
Buke and Pietrus suck compared to Maggette
by Agent Zero on Jul 9, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
If we could sneakily sub both Buke and Pietrus in for Maggette at the same time to get a 6 on 5 advantage they’d be more productive…
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep hope for jsmith
we could still do a sign and trade with atl for him. al and bwright and a unconditional pick or jax and bwright (i dont think they could trade ar yet even if they wanted to) al and jax have cap friendly salaries that maybe sweet enough to pull this off plus a legitamite young prospect like bwright. who knows. the fact that there was a report that gs had no intrest in jsmith tells me they have intrest i think somthing could still happen.
by Rach on Jul 8, 2008 10:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd pay at least 5 mil/year more
to get Iguodala or a potent, YOUNG player who can play defense
by dhp318 on Jul 8, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea but sixers
would just match the offer and keep him.
by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you would pay 5 million a year out of
your own personal funds to get iguodala?? man thats generous lol.. Iggy is going to get somewhere between 10 and 20 million dollars per year!
by Agent Zero on Jul 9, 2008 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess this means...
we’re not getting brand. i guess his good but i wish we got josh smith. and we need a point. hinrich makes sense cuz the bulls are still overloaded with points so why not
by gswLLBatman on Jul 8, 2008 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so why not
Cause he’s bad(not in the good way, in the really bad way)
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 8, 2008 11:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
awful
Mullin’s taking lessons from Giants’ GM Brian Sabean. This deal smells like a desperation signing. i.e Barry Zito.
by 1rabidwarriorsfan on Jul 8, 2008 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Zito...
Ouch. I wouldn’t go that far.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jul 9, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron for 5 years is more like Zito. Watch him under perform for that amount of time.
by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thankfully
maggette didn’t come for what 126 mil? brutal. i’m not sold on this either though. seems like our problems at the 2 and 3 were much less significant than our pg and pf situation.
by cap'n hack on Jul 9, 2008 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
this is their comeback to davis wow what a horribe signing hes just a more muscular dunleavy. how sad. take mully off our team and replace him with mr. Cooper!!!
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Jul 9, 2008 3:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no Brand?
Since we are getting Magette, does that mean Brand is out of the equation? Or is it still possible to get him? I would love Josh Smith here also, so I hope the W’s make one more splash!
The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!
by ballin on Jul 9, 2008 5:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it...
What’s so bad about Maggette. He scores a lot and scores efficiently. He gets to the line a lot and can probably teach Monta a thing or two about that. So he doesn’t play the best defense in the world. That’s the only argument I’ve heard against him. I know people have had to teach themselves to hate him because he’s a Clipper and all, but can somebody provide some evidence to why they HATE HATE HATE Maggette? And no, just repeating “He plays no defense” is not evidence, it’s an opinion.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 7:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you.
Stop the hate on Maggette. He will be effective and he does something no warrior has been good at; he gets to the line, alot!
by flaaron on Jul 9, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not who people were gearing up for emotionally and, for whatever reason, he’s never been marketed by the NBA. I think those two reasons more than anything else explain less than lukewarm receptions. People wanted Smith or Iggy, neither of whom were real options. (and no, if they remain on their teams, the salary they command there is not indicative of what it would take to lure them away)
An efficient 22ppg scorer for less than 10mil a year to start is the sort of bargain that teams really, really like under normal circumstances. Anyone whining for Richardson to still be here should ask what exactly the extra 3.5mil gets you.
by jae on Jul 9, 2008 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
It’ll get you a solid big man off the bench named Ron Turiaf. That’s what it’ll get you. I’ll take Maggs+Turiaf over Richardson any day.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!
by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He plays no defense" is not evidence, it’s an opinion.
The evidence was that we need more defense not more offense? Now with Pietrus gone we’ve even dropped further in that respect? The opinion is maybe we shoulda looked for a defensive instead of offensive pick up?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're changing the topic
This topic is about Corey Maggette. If your assertion is that he is an “offensive signing” as opposed to a “defensive signing”, I say why can’t he be both? He’s clearly an efficient scorer, as the factual statistics prove. On the defensive side of the ball, I’ve heard nothing about Corey Maggette except for people saying “He sucks at defense”, which is, as I’ve said before, just an opinion.
Pietrus is definitely a blow to the team. He’s gonna be a good player for Orlando. We still have roster spots, and Maggette is larger than BD, so he should be able to guard SGs at least as well as Baron, who was over matched often.
Please answer this question:
Why is Corey Maggette a bad defensive player? If you can’t answer that, you have no business telling me that his signing was not a defensive pickup.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Maggette a bad defensive player? If you can’t answer that, you have no business telling me that his signing was not a defensive pickup.
“He’s not known as a committed defender” was the way JAE put it and I have no reason to doubt his research. My observation is that people say “Magette is an offensive machine” not “he’s a defensive machine”? Plus when has Nelson ever put an emphasis on defense? Letting Pietrus go is par for the Nellie course.
Magette will be a fine Montay role replacement in the scheme but then Montay won’t be able to be Montay , he’ll be trying to be Boom cause we got no real Boom now? I just don’t see the point of not getting a point instead of doubling up what we already had? Maybe they’ll sign and trade one of the two? or trade Jax for a point and play magette at the 3 spot? Then we’d be without a real heart guy(unless Magette is a floor leader?) Anyway the team chemistry has really taken a hit from the hopeful Boom/JRich/Jax playoff days.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maggette is an offensive machine
So he’s not Bruce Bowen, or even Pietrus. I think he’ll be able to do at least as good of a job as BD did against SGs. BD gave up on defense a lot, he was great one day and horrible the next. That’s the defense that we need to replace. Pietrus didn’t play that much. Maybe Wright can step in there.
Why will Monta try to be Boom? Why is it a bad thing to have two one on one weapons you can use to attack the weakest perimeter defender? Why is everything always compared to the 30 games Boom/JRich/Jax played together? If given the choice, would you have Monta or JRich right now? That’s the choice you get. You can’t have both.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why will Monta try to be Boom?
“Why is everything always compared to the 30 games Boom/JRich/Jax played together?
If given the choice, would you have Monta or JRich right now?”
OK, let’s see…
Montay will be playing Boom in the sense that someone has to handle the ball.
but Montay is no ball handler so he’ll be weaker than if he plays his natural position where magette also will hafta play if Jax gets any time at 3 spot? Maybe Magette can play defense but Boom definitely could plus handle and make plays. Magette and Montay seem less usefull than Boom and Montay or boom and Magette?
Everything is actually compared to the 1975 team, the 30 games at the end of the playoff season compared pretty good!
Montay or Jrich? Depends on the supporting cast but I think Jason would inspire more players to give their best. For our team I’d be happy to just go back to the playoff roster and add a bigman( maybe even Rony :>) and continue from there. Do we get do-overs?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BD didnt play defense
that was evident with a bunch of guards having carrer games against us last years. BD leaving left a 20 pt hole that needed to be filled and they did it with maggs. no way mp could have done that maybe only half that
by Rach on Jul 9, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't HATE HATE HATE Maggette,
I hate the Maggette signing. Where does it get us? Are we a championship contender now? No. Are we a high pick lottery team? No. We’re in basketball purgatory, ready to get another 14th or 15th pick. I’d rather see Buike get the minutes and see what kind of player he was (and as I’ve said, whenever Buike has gotten consistent minutes, he’s produced) and lose our way to a future PG than use Maggette and win our way to a first round exit and draft pick that is unlikely to produce a contributor.
And as I’ve said before, I don’t understand the cap all that well (what is a cap hold btw?) but I figured that even after signing Monta and Biedrins we’d have something left over, and if we were going to fill that space why couldn’t we have done it next year, when there were better players to be had? Surely cap space carries over from one year to the next. And both 2009 and 2010 had better players available. Plus, by then we’d know more about the types of players we had on our own team, and if they were worth sticking with.
by belilaugh on Jul 9, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we were going to fill that space why couldn’t we have done it next year, when there were better players to be had? Surely cap space carries over from one year to the next.
Cap space doesn’t necessarily “carry over.” If we didn’t use some of that cap space this year, it would get eaten up by Monta’s likely new contract. The cap hold is how much an unsigned FA counts against your cap. It varies for players but is based on their previous contract. Since Monta was cheap, he’s a unique situation where his hold is vastly less than what he’ll actually get. We might have had some cap space, but it wouldn’t have been substantial enough to toss a huge offer at the guys who are going to command it.
I suspect that signing Maggette, who is a legitimate quality above average NBA offensive machine, makes things more attractive to Monta to stay, to Biedrins to stay. Expecting them to sign here for deals if it’s clear that the Warriors are tanking might have been more difficult.
by jae on Jul 9, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an annoying question for an already (and understandably) grumpy blog
What do you think the chances are Mike Dunleavy (he of Wheaties box fame) will be more productive in Indy over the next few seasons than oft-injured Maggette in Golden State? Yes, as bad as it seems, boys and girls, it might turn out even worse? But keep the rotten tomatoes to yourselves, y’all….
by BlueInTheFace on Jul 9, 2008 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you that one...
Maggette does seem to have trouble playing 75, let alone 82, and Dunleavy has done pretty well in Indy. But look back at Dunleavy’s stats from his Warrior days. I don’t know what it was, maybe his game needed a little more time to mature, maybe he needed a different system (you know, one that isn’t run by St. Jean or Montgomery), or whatever. He’s flourishing in Indiana, but he wasn’t anywhere near worth it when he played for us. I wish him the best, but you can’t compare the two. Right now, Maggette is a very good option for us.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
COREY MAGETTE
is a great player for this team… great… yes… i said great. Now all of you hating on him should realize that he is perfect for this team. He is an absolute man in stature. He can handle the rock and he knows how to score. Not only does he know how to score he knows how to score by taking it to the rim hard. He is a beast. He gets points the best way, taking it to the rim with authority, getting buckets inside and shooting a lot of free throws.
We don’t need someone coming in and chucking up 3 after 3.. you can’t live like that. But someone as talented as Maggette at driving, scoring inside, and getting to the freethrow line, can score like that every night.
by Agent Zero on Jul 9, 2008 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And the thing is
that we played our best basketball in last two years when we were attacking the rim rather then settle for jumpers and threes.
by buky on Jul 9, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think why many are so frustrated (me included) is because we have great positions of need (PG/PF) and that many believe that we over-paid for him. I haven’t really read in this thread anyone deny that he is a good player and a good scorer. That’s not the issue. The problem is the opportunity cost: I’d much rather have Smith or Okafor for 14 mil/yr than Maggs for 10. I’d rather have Childress for the MLE than Maggs for this contract.
So I guess it’s not so much people hating on Maggs, really, as much as the surrounding situation. And yes, I’m hating the sitch.
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See "Point god/Point Fraud" for an argument against the PG need
We got Beans, Wright, Randolph, and now Turiaf at the PF/C role. We couldn’t get Brand, we can’t get Smith, so who do you want at PF. Name one player that we can reasonably go after for a PF that would be a vast improvement over our current situation.
If you’d rather have Okafor at 14M with his bad back (remember Taft?) you’re insane. 14M/year is what Josh Smith is about what he’s getting offered from the Clippers, and he very likely will get matched. If we wait around to get matched and players get signed, we’re SOL. Sorry, there weren’t any good opportunities for a PF out there. And if you want to ask for Iggy instead, any reasonable contract would be matched by Philly.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who then could we have signed at 8 mil for next year that had stats like 20pts 5 reb per game? okafor wont sign a deal for that much. jsmith thats probalby almost half of what he will end up getting without the same production.
by Rach on Jul 9, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
return to reality.
The question isn’t whether we’d rather have Okafor or Smith for 14 (starting salary would be 9.5) or Childress at 5.6 but if ATL and Charlotte would rather have them at that price while no one else would want them at more than that. I’m almost certain that the answer is that someone else (including the teams they’re on with rights to match), would keep them at that price.
by jae on Jul 9, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
You’re right, getting these RFAs is difficult and sometimes costly. We might even have to over pay for one of them. But IMO we DID overpay for a player with less value to this team than Igoudala, Smith, Brand, or Okafor would have. Time will tell, I guess. We’ll see what some of those other guys sign for soon enough…and who knows, this signing might look much better in that light.
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overpaying
The most frustrating thing about this situation is that Mullin’s inability to sign good FA deals is once again on display. He showed this with Dunmurphy, Foyle, Fish, etc. I thought by not paying Baron, Mullin’s overpaying days were over, that he was going to play hardball and get true market value for our guys, keep cap space in case a good deal comes along…but instead, he disappoints once again.
I’m not saying Maggette is a bad player, but for a guy who relies on his athleticism, he is an injury risk and not worth a long term deal. He’s only 6 months younger than Baron, with pretty much the same injury history, do we really want to be paying him 11mil a year when he’s 33, 34?
We really need to be over the cap, so Mullin can’t be making stupid moves like this. He’s good at getting talent through trades (Baron trade, Al/Jax trade), but just terrible when it comes to negotiating with agents for FA contracts.
I understand all the positives of Maggette: athletic, agressive, gets to the line. But I feel like his negatives outweighs those positives: not a team player, not a good passer, can’t shoot from the outside, suspect defense. Mainly, its the mentality issue. Maggette is the perfect 6th man, an energy guy who can consistently get to the line so your second unit isn’t stuck out there shooting jumpers. Coach K used him this way at Duke, Dunleavy tried using him this way as well, but he was unhappy with his role. In his mind, he thinks he’s a starter, and commands starter touches and minutes. That’s the problem. He’s had 9 years in the league to learn where he belongs, and he hasn’t figured it out, what makes us think he’ll figure it out now?
UNSTOPPABLE BABY!
by Jiggly16 on Jul 9, 2008 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I just think some people are only looking at next year, but what’s gonna happen when Maggette is 33, is getting paid 11 mil, and isn’t nearly as effective because of injury/age (I totally see Sam Cassell parallel, he’ll shoot it everytime he gets a touch, and everyone will gasp in horror whenever old Maggette touches the ball, cuz you know he’s not passing it).
UNSTOPPABLE BABY!
by Jiggly16 on Jul 9, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At that point, he'll be an expiring contract
And he’ll have trade value.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard
to justify a bad contract by saying that at some point it’ll be good cause it will expire.
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was responding directly to this comment:
what’s gonna happen when Maggette is 33, is getting paid 11 mil
Well… that’s what’s going to happen. He’s going to have trade value. We might get a draft pick and a bad contract back. I’m not saying it’s a good or a bad thing. It’s just the facts. Unless of course he’s putting up good numbers.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really think he'll be effective for 4 years?
Will his body hold up for 3+ years at over 30 years old (same question we ask Baron)?
And there’s the mentality issue, I seriously think his success with the Warriors hinges on whether or not he’ll finally understand his role. I’ve watched Maggette since he was at Duke, and he just never seemed to get it.
Btw, Dubs fan in Boston, keep repping the Dubs on the east coast!
UNSTOPPABLE BABY!
by Jiggly16 on Jul 9, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the breakneck speed with which we play with might negate some of that
It’s possible that he’s hated the rigid systems he’s been in. Perhaps with the free flowing system where there are no bad shots and he doesn’t get cussed out for that he’ll relax a little. Who knows. I see a player who scores efficiently. If he’s going to score efficiently, I don’t care if he’s a ball hog or not.
Also, given these two options:
Maggette with the ball and know he was going to the rack, maybe making it, maybe missing it, and maybe getting to the line (scoring efficiency: 1.6pps)
BD with the ball dribbling at the 3pt line and knowing he’s going to jack up a 33% shot (scoring efficiency: 1pps).
I’ll take the former, thank you very much. But, maybe that’s just me.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing different positions
I could come back and say that Baron is infinitely better at setting up teammates and making the offense flow, and the result of him jacking up 3s is that we did not have enough 3 point shooters last year (loss of J-Rich, MP performing poorly almost all year). But that would not be a fair comparison.
The thing is, as of now, Maggette is very one dimensional. He get to the basket and gets to the line. He’s not a passer, I’ve rarely seen him drive and dish. And that’s okay, even great, for a primary scorer of the 2nd unit, but for him to command touches as a starter, he needs to be a better passer.
I compare Maggette to Paul Pierce. Both are relentless at getting to the basket, and very efficient at getting to the line. Yet, Pierce is not injury prone like Maggette, although their games are similar, which leads me to believe that Pierce is smarter about when to drive and take contact, where as Maggette just puts his head down and runs in. Pierce is a good passer (not great, 4+ assists the last 4 seasons), while Maggette is a poor passer (around 3 assists the last 4 seasons). I know it’s not a strong argument, but when watching Pierce, you see someone that “gets it” (at least this year) whereas Maggette just hasn’t gotten it yet.
UNSTOPPABLE BABY!
by Jiggly16 on Jul 9, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely
Players who rely primarily on their athleticism tend to taper off pretty quickly with age. Hopefully, as with any player, he will develop other aspects of his game and improve generally, so that when the athleticism fades, the players has other tools at his disposal…
by DustyG on Jul 9, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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