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State of the Team and the Cap, post Maggette

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We're still working with rumormill numbers, but as it appears that the cap is set at 58.68 mil, there's some real numbers to work with.  I'm hashing these out on the fly, so some things may be off, but they should be close.

If true that Maggette's deal is 50 mil over 5 years, he's starting at about 8.62 mil for next year.  What this means is that with Pietrus off the books, considering Foyle's buyout salary, penciling in Randolph's rookie deal and a min sal for Hendrix, we're sitting still with more than 9 mil under the cap.  That's what we have to play with. 

Azubuike can be signed independent of the cap, as can Ellis and Biedrins.  I'm gonna guess: 2.2, 9, 9 for the trio next year.  This keeps the team right below the lux tax if they spend the rest of the cap.

Is there something out there worth buying at that price?  Childress? Seems superfluous at this point since he's the same 3 that Maggs is.  I'd assume that Maggs takes the combined Pietrus/Barnes minutes.  I'd also assume that if Wright actually plays, this means the anemic rebounding Jax spends more time at the 2 where he can be the reasonable distributor big defender that we want paired with Monta.

Probably the best use of the cap is to see what happens in trades in the next couple of weeks. Not much worth spending big bucks on in PGs, so that will likely come as a trade. Cap room helps us in being able to make unequal trade, but unfortunately, the piece we'd most likely move is one that has a bigger dollar value.  Still, if Harrington can bring an adequate point guard, the team could be both exciting and productive again next year.

Here's more reality before a hundred all caps posts about Josh Smith:  it was going to take the max to pry Smith from ATL (or Iggy, even after Brand, or Okafor of Deng). 

So 9 mil to spend or swap with.  Anyone see a sub 9 mil point guard on a marginal team that might want to shed salary?

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"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 9, 2008 1:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great post

Someone that actually gets the situation were in.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:50 PM PDT   0 recs

Luxury tax vs cap space

Jae, fill me in on the cap space please. You say “Azubuike can be signed independent of the cap, as can Ellis and Biedrins. I’m gonna guess: 2.2, 9, 9 for the trio next year. This keeps the team right below the lux tax if they spend the rest of the cap”. Wait ,so there salaries don’t count against salary cap, but actually do against the luxury tax? So even if we sign Beans, Monta, uki and end up with 60-61mil payroll, we will still be techically under the salary cap, and will have to spend some money? I’m confused man

by JustAnotherWarrior on Jul 8, 2008 8:53 PM PDT   0 recs

Your allowed to go over the salary cap for your own players.

So that’s why we have room to sign someone right now and then can wait to resign the others.
If we sign them now then we fill the salary cap and then we are not allowed to over for other teams players.
That’s why are only chance to sign anyone is right now.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 8:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Over

the cap for our own players, but we’d still be subject to the luxo tax right?

by phiLthyphiL on Jul 8, 2008 9:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yea thats why you try to hit the middle point.

The salary cap is set at 58 million or so and lux tax is around 70. So they will aim to be under 70 after they resign ellis and bieds.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gotcha..

I once was lost but now am found. Did you ever find the link to Pree’s story?

by phiLthyphiL on Jul 8, 2008 9:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not yet,

wondering if he has a waiting period for an editor or someone to go over it before it’s published on the web.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So explain to me this...

How in the world is Beans and Monta only going to accept $9 & $9 mil each when Maggette got $10 mil?

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 9, 2008 12:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Because 9M is STARTING

Ending for them would be 13-14. Or something… JAE?

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 12:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They can get 10% raises since it's their current team

But it’s hard to see Monta moving from his $10m/year demand that ESPN reported earlier this week after this.

So a starting wage of $9m could theoretically lead to a 5 year, $54,945,900 contract (or 6 years, $69,440,490)

Just to have that to work with

by dprodigy19 on Jul 9, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Precisely. People seem to confuse average with starting salary. The two aren’t the same.

by jae on Jul 9, 2008 12:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maggette is not getting $10 this year. He’s getting a deal that averages that, but since the price goes up, it’s going to start at 8.62 if indeed it’s 5/50 as reported. Starting Monta and Biedrins at the same point, because we can extend them longer and with bigger raises works out to closer to 11mil a year
over the life of a 6 year contract.

How are they going to accept it? Let’s assume that the starting point offer to Biedrins and Monta is exactly what Maggs gets. They’ll accept such an offer if:

A) they realize that the Warriors can match other offers and they’ll have to find a team with cap space to offer more to drive up the price—such teams aren’t plentiful. Once these offersheets don’t come in, they see that getting 66mil guaranteed (raises and contract length can be higher than what Maggs got) means a pretty respectable lifestyle.

B) they realize the alternative is to play for less money for a year (take a qual offer at ~3.6mil for Biedrins, ~$0.9 mil for Ellis), risk injury, risk security. In Biedrins’ case, it means that to break even, if he waits, he’s got to get a 5 year deal starting at ~10.7 in a year to match accepting a deal starting at 8.62 from the Warriors over the life of the contract. In Ellis’s case, he needs to find a deal starting at 11.1 mil next year to break even or he’s on the short end of the financial sheet by risking a year on the qual offer. Are either scenarios possible? Perhaps. If the Warriors come up with 9mil starting for each this year, then B and E would need to get offers of 11.2 and 11.7 respectively in a year to break even.

C) because when they sit down with agents and negotiators, they aren’t dealing with rabid fans who tend to overvalue home talent. When Maggette’s 20p/36 and 6r/36 over his career are laid out on the table, all of a sudden, coming up with the argument that either are presently signficantly better gets more difficult. Yes, E and B are younger and I consider both of their productivity and potential to be greater and they’re younger so they’ve got a better chance of playing the contracts through at high production, but it’s still not a slam dunk on negotiations to say “but I’m so much better than Maggette” and bargain from that point.

That’s how they accept starting at $9mil.

by jae on Jul 9, 2008 12:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maggs' #'s are fradulent and a smart agent would know that

Surprise, surprise, a player who sucks at D and can’t facilitate well has a high PER…it’s a terrible stat.

Mullin can throw that out all he wants, but two players who are just as good (or better) and five years younger can command more next offseason. They have ZERO reason besides fear of injury to accept a low-ballish offer.

by dprodigy19 on Jul 9, 2008 12:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ummm...

I’m pretty sure his numbers came from the NBA, a pretty impartial institution with respect to keeping statistics. The numbers presented by JAE were 20points/36mins and 6rebounds/36 minutes. He didn’t say anything about PER. You just made that up. Try again.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 9, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn’t include PER. I don’t consider it one of the better tools for evaluating players.

The 20 and 6 numbers are real. You can downgrade what they mean, what caused them, but “fradulent” “just like your opinion, man.

But if we’re into commenting on a player “sucking at D” Monta has another hurdle to climb in suggesting that he’s worth more money.

by jae on Jul 9, 2008 12:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

evaluating players.

Do we really think Magette,Montay, and Dris can be our “Big Three” for 5 years? Is it worth giving them 9 mil to start? or 50 mil for 5 years?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2008 2:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm. Dunno. I’m not sold on the “big three” philosophy. (Yeah, I know that Nelson’s said that’s what it takes to get a championship. His coaching fingers, ringless as they are indicates that he’s a very good coach who may not really know what it takes; there are several instances of teams that have won without a “big three” as well.) It’s the buzzword of the year because of Boston, but I think the real answer is to consistently try to get more talent, fine tune it when you’re real close and…(this is an important part)...mix in some luck and good fortune.

That said, in general, most teams gets the vast majority of their production from 2 or 3 guys out of the 12 on the active roster at any given time. Eating up half the cap or 40% of the tax threshold (which is what Maggs, Monta, and Biedrins at ~10mil each) means you’re paying the guys who are likely to contribute most of the peak statistical production. That’s a very reasonable ratio, but it means you’re riding them for the bulk of your success.

I did some projections based on some assumptions and general trends and win probabilities from individual player production and I’d put the over under as the team stands now at about 44 wins. Normally, that’s 8th seed. What happened last year in the west was weird.

Mid 40s wins assumes that Wright plays as well as he did last year, but gets a regular 18mpg or so, that injuries are minimal (key players are available 80% of the time for minutes similar to what they got last year) and that the point guard solution is found either in Monta showing ability or league average production comes from some source.

If this doesn’t happen, if there’s a serious injury to a key part or someone implodes and takes the team with him then we’re in 36 win territory. If things go real well, if Wright not only plays more, but substantially improves, if Monta isn’t in the least bit hampered by having more point duties, if everyone stays healthy and we get a moderate surprise from someone, we’re back at 48 to 50 wins. Squeezing more out will be difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

That’s all some guesswork, but if I were the Vegas over-under comes in at 43, I’d put money above it (and probably will). Much more than that and I’ll keep the money in my pocket since I cannot bring myself to bet against my team.

by jae on Jul 9, 2008 4:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A Player who sucks at D

Nellie Ball is all about defense. Everyone knows this.

by Jynx-Removing on Jul 9, 2008 6:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about

Acie Law? I really like his game.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 8:53 PM PDT   0 recs

He didnt have much stats this year but

4.2 ppg 2 apg in 15 mpg… ehhh I just like him as a point guard and he would be a great addition

What about Sebastian Telfair…

Minnesota has alot of PGs…

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 8:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about Daniel Gibson or Delonte West?

I understand they’re both RFAs but will the Caveliers resign both?

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 9:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd be happy with either one

Well maybe more Delonte West. I want someone who can ball handle and find the open/cutting man.

by Golden Boy on Jul 8, 2008 9:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like West. He isn’t a world beater, but he’s solid and has a track record. He’s something of a combo guard too, and I’m not sure that two combo guards makes a point guard, but he’s intriguing. I’ve thought about mentioning him before.

If the Warriors are going after pure backup, a cheap Chris Quinn (who Miami gave a qual offer too and can match offers for, so it’s got to be a trade most likely) isn’t terrible. He’s entirely unexciting, but not terrible. I’m much more positive about Ramon Sessions. His limited minutes really suggest that he’s a capable player. I don’t see how Milwaukee sees him in their plans with Williams (who is acceptable, though overpaid) on board.

by jae on Jul 8, 2008 10:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Or what about...

Louis Williams?

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 9:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i like

but he doesn’t “fit” with monta. unless he would be strictly a backup. it would be difficult to play them on the court together.

by gogoldenbears on Jul 9, 2008 7:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he's as much a pg

as iverson is

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 9, 2008 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

how about

Trading for Earl Watson? He’s stepped in to fill Baron’s shoes before and did a decent enough job.

by TempletonPeck on Jul 9, 2008 5:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

here's a thought

with your projected 9mil of cap left. i think they will go for a big may be james jones or somebody. they then would need to trade al to a team with cap room like the griz for a pg. hinrich cap # is to high. i wouldnt be surprised if jax was the one that got moved though. mully is full of surprises

by Rach on Jul 8, 2008 9:03 PM PDT   0 recs

but thats just adding another SF... in the mix

We already have Jackson/Maggs/Randolph alternating at those positions I think we better go for a PG… we don’t have one under contract… unless you count Monta

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 9:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i know but

there is no pg FA that is worth signing so that leaves a big FA to sign. we only have to chips that have we could move al and jax.(mully said BW and marco wont be moved and not sure if they signed the rooks yet but if they did they need to wait 30 days b4 they can be traded) al and jax have tradable contracts but bcuz we would be tight on the cap we would need to get a young pg on the cheap and the team we trade with would need to eat some $$$ cuz we cant. when one or both of these guys go then we wouldnt have a log jam

by Rach on Jul 8, 2008 9:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just put a bunch of FA pgs I think

are worth signing…

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 9:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ehh....

i really dont like what we gave Maggette. Starting at 8.5 mil, aint bad but with the increase, im not so high on. I would have been much more comfortable with 5yr 43mil deal since he has been injury for majority of his NBA career. Dont get me wrong, i love the addition, but i think 5yr 50mil is a lil too much. I hope he can be our 6th man, someone who is instant offense.

by Spee-D on Jul 8, 2008 9:09 PM PDT   0 recs

I agree with you man but

whats done is done… or is it?

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 9:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

its looks like...

its set in stone. He clearly wanted more money heading into FA and he got it. Only time can tell if hes worth the money. Heck who knows, he can pull a BD; interms of playing 82 games after numerous injury plaged seasons.

by Spee-D on Jul 8, 2008 9:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea that deal is better.

But we offer that and he goes to the spurs or Celts and just waits for his payday next year. This was the only way to lure him here.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i agree

sucks but we probably had to overpay whoever we hoped to land

by sam23 on Jul 8, 2008 9:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

just wish...

the warriors dreamt a little bigger, and maybe thought things out a little further in the future.

i hate to say this but i think the warriors brass is more concerned about losing season ticket holders than building a legit team.

by GState21 on Jul 8, 2008 10:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think there really concerned over it

But realize at this point there is no one realisticly to bring that will help fill the void. So instead will look to building for the year after.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If I was at the Front Office...

My PG wish list would consist of….

RFA Delonte West 9.8 PPG 3.8 APG 44% FG 37% 3PT

RFA Daniel Gibson 7.5 PPG 1.7 APG 43% FG 43% 3PT

RFA Louis Williams 7.2 PPG 2.2 APG 42% FG 35% 3PT

UFA Sebastian Telfair 7.8 PPG 3.8 APG 39% FG 30% 3PT

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 8, 2008 9:31 PM PDT   0 recs

Gibson and Williams

while good players, arent very good fits here. I guess we could use a reliable outside shooter like Gibson, but I dont see he and Monta being able to coexist in a lineup together for more than a couple minutes at a time. Williams seems too similar to Monta. Telfair is intriguing and I dont know about West. Again I’d prefer Livingston, Sessions or Crittenton.

by sam23 on Jul 8, 2008 9:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ramon Sessions

The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!

by ballin on Jul 9, 2008 5:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jannero Pargo

is an unrestricted FA. I’m sure the Hornets want him back, but maybe a good deal will make him thing twice. He was a key player for the Hornets last year and did a great job backing CP3 up. Very quick and a good shooter. Hit some big threes against us in that last game against the Hornets. I’m all for Livingston tho. Another man’s trash is our treasure.

by Captain Jack on Jul 8, 2008 9:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Agreed on...

giving Shaun “former #4 pick/next Magic Johnson” Livingston. When you’re tossing out $50 mil for Mags, why not give a guy with one good knee and all the potential in the world a $1-$2 million dollar deal per year for say 2-4 years. it can’t hurt at all.

but… if he does sign, put him with wright, randolph & belinelli is Buike’s nightly weight lifting class

by GState21 on Jul 8, 2008 9:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Find a Way To Get Billups And Carter To The Bay

I was all for keeping the cap space, sucking horribly, and receiving a high lotto pick, but now that we dipped into the cap to get Maggette, it’s time to go big or go home.

The Nets probably won’t demand much for Carter and will love to clear his contract so they could have a shot at two big time players in the 2010 free agency pool. Teaming Lebron with Bosh or Wade when moving to Brooklyn would be a huge coup.

Carter makes 15 mill this year so how about trading Jack + future picks and absorbing Carter’s 15 mill with our available cap space?

Turn around and call up Joe D and see if he’s at all interested in a Harrington/Billups swap. We might have to spruce up the deal with a future pick or two.

Starting Lineup

Billups
Ellis
VC
Wright
Biedrins

Sixth Man: Maggs

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 8, 2008 9:50 PM PDT   0 recs

first off....

similar to the carney & booth trade to minny… the warriors should be stacking picks if they are taking contracts off the hands of other teams… I would only trade for carter if we could get yi and/or marcus williams. the warriors still have a huge whole at the point and this year’s point guard free agent class isn’t promising at all.

second, joe D’s only dumb move thus far was picking milicic. besides the numbers not working, harrington for billups would not work straight up. you gotta make the trade enticing for the other team as well… which would be something that looked like this…

harrington + sign & trade beans for billups

a even worst nightmare… harrington, sign & trade beans AND monta for billups, sheed and picks. if the warriors do this, they have completely lost their minds.

by GState21 on Jul 8, 2008 9:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My guess is they wont doing anything stupid.

Good chance you dont make the playoffs this year anyways in the west. Could always just try out Ellis at the point this year, then trade for a pg during or after the season if it does not work. Don’t have to panic over it.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 9:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agree with your sentiments...

don’t do anything stupid…

signing maggette to me is almost borderline, but who knows what kinda magic nellie can pull outta him.

I still hope the warriors can try to target a young, unproven point guard not named hinrich and most likely via trade.

by GState21 on Jul 8, 2008 10:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with the Maggette signing

only because after we resign ellis and bieds we wont have cap money this year or next. He was the next best in line to come here after Brand, that was realistic. Most restricted (smith, ai, etc) players go back to there own teams and if you make an offer you have to wait a week for them to decide, at that point your out of all options if the old team matches.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One thing is for sure...

the warriors will be scoring a lot of points next year. They will be pretty much starting 3 2-guards plus a combo of Harrington/Beans/Wright.

“Starting salary at 6 mil?” -ESPN on Maggette’s contract. “He comes pretty cheap”

Insteresting

by GState21 on Jul 8, 2008 10:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ESPN is wrong I believe.

Starts at 8.5 from what Pree heard and he has close contacts to the warriors.

I don’t see harrington being in a warrior jersey ever again. would be suprised.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The lowest salary he can get for a total 50 in 5 is about 8.6 mil since the CBA limits the size of raises to 8% of base year salary for signing another team’s free agent. I’d be ecstatic if we got him at a start of $6 mil (which is essentially MLE money) but that number is unlikely to be correct.

by jae on Jul 8, 2008 11:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cap Space

If it is true that the Warriors signed Maggette to a 5 years/$50 million dollar deal, that leaves the Warriors with about 26 million under the cap still (unfortunately, Foyle is still on the books). That is not including the 12 million more the Warriors can spend before hitting the dreaded luxury tax. So the next plan could be… go after one of the restricted, then resign Monta & Beans (& Perovic, Watson, Buike).

What should the Warriors do???

The Maggette deal doesn’t really make much sense, especially at the cost, but it seems the brass is making the “let’s make the playoff” effort but NOT making the “let’s build a contender” pitch. If Maggette is commanding $50 mil, Ellis will at least get $50 mil. Maybe the Warriors can sign and trade one of the two, most likely Beans, for a point guard. But I am lost now… not sure what to think, especially with Nellie in his last year.

by GState21 on Jul 8, 2008 9:52 PM PDT   0 recs

Thanks JAE

I just wanted to say thanks for having a more prominent voice in the Fanpost section this week. It seems like to main page guys are a little to busy to maintain this place at the moment and it has been great to find your analysis and insight into the CBA in all of the threads along with your own posts. You already know I’m a big fan, but I just wanted to say thanks.

As far as the current situation goes I’m a little torn. CM wasn’t on my list of targets and I do think we overpaid a little but I do like Corey’s game and he is super efficient offensively which should be nice. I think we should still be pursuing a possible Hinrich or Billups trade. I’m very curious to see what Management expects from Monta this year. They may very well see how he does with an entire season at the point. He has been surprisingly good so far in his career and I think it would be a worthwhile venture to let him man the point this year. If that’s the case then we don’t have to be in as much of a hurry to land a starter quality point guard but we still need depth at that position.

I’m going to need some time to process what happened tonight, but thanks again for your work.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 8, 2008 10:03 PM PDT   0 recs

Agreed

The main page has been dead and any time there is a post its all negative and nothing written without tons of bad feelings toward the team coming out.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

SB Nation

I have been reading a lot of the other SB Nation Blogs lately to get a feel for what might happen in free agency and I have to say that we are getting the short end of the stick. I understand that ATMA and the guys are real busy right now but it seems like SB Nation could probably do a lot better. If only Clipper Steve or Matt from Blog-a-Bull were warrior fans.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 8, 2008 10:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They have said there busy

Which is understandable, but why not then give some regular posters main pages rights. Like athletics nation as done. That would at least keep things running smoothly here. It was truly sad how poor draft day coverage was.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't sweat it

If they are busy that’s good! Do you really have a problem finding the info? It pops right up on my screen, (right on the right side)

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 8, 2008 10:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea its just lately there isnt that much info

Last year this was the place to come for info on the warriors. At times this year it has been deserted. That’s why I was just suggesting having some help on the main page, to pump some blood in to the place again.

Not complaining there busy, just think they should let some others help to make this site the place to be again.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem is...

that we have a ton of main page contributers but none of them are really into it. I’d love to have someone like JAE who gets into the nuts and bolts of things writing on the main page regularly. I also really miss OZ’s passion for blogging about the Dubs. He was hard to get along with for some but as far as analysis and staying on top of things he was great to have around. I’m hoping that Atma and the boys pick it up a little but I’m starting to get a the felling that we may be under new management soon…

All of the other SB nation blogs that I’ve been reading have had some great articles on frree agency and the teams respective summer league rosters and things like that. I guess I’m just a little jealous of the better coverage that the other teams are getting in the SB Nation network.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 8, 2008 10:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What happened to OZ

I never really understood what happened I know why Coma left though

If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh

by StephenO4 on Jul 8, 2008 10:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not positive

Just think they werent happy with the power that went to OZ’s head and the focus he was getting here. They wanted more back towards them. There site, there choice.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 10:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

what did happen to coma??

i never found out why he left a year ago

by GSwarrior on Jul 8, 2008 10:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Um go to fear the fin

and ask him. Believe he is xcoma because he lost his screen name with the sb nation upgrades. He has been posting over there more often lately.

by The Golden One on Jul 8, 2008 11:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is why

Changes in GSoM Moderation Duties
Hope i helped

If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh

by StephenO4 on Jul 9, 2008 10:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

someone like JAE who gets into the nuts and bolts of things writing on the main page

JAE is just as informative in the fan posts as he would be on the fr