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I am writing this in the open rather than comment because I want everyone to read this. Mostly, because alot of people have the opinion of Maggette being a reaction signing, and Turiaf being a bad get.

Maggette was a good get. Was he Brand? Hell, NO! and he doesn't fill our major needs, rebounding ,defense and a post presence. Problem is, who does, especially in this free agent market. Brand WAS IT and there are only 10 guys in the league that can do everything we need. We haven't had a top Power Forward since the year we had C-Webb. We haven't had a great center since Big Nate. You get lucky, like the Blazers and draft one, or you are LA or NY and court one. Every great big has ended up in a major market through trade or free agency or stayed where he was drafted cause it was home or he loved it. We are NEVER, gonna sign a Shaq or a Kareem like player.I can run off every great center or every great big that left his original team through trade or free agency and they all went to a major market. Bill Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Moses Malone, Kareem,Parrish and even our own Nate Thurmond. We will never get a great big unless we purposely lose and end up in the lottery 14 years straight and pray we get the next Shaq, and it looks like the Blazers already did that.

So what do we do now? We build a team the best we can and hope we're onto something with this run and gun thing. We are (at my house at least) always complaining that Baron won't go to the rack. If he drove everytime he settled for a 3, he would be one of the 5 best point guards of all time. Instead Baron got lazy and settled, sometimes it worked out, quite often it didn't. We just got a guy who never settles in Maggette, he goes to the hoop everytime. We complain about not attacking the rim or getting to the free throw line and in Nellie's system he will do that alot, maybe even lead the league.We are always hearing Fitz talk about our need for a Paul Milsap type player. Defensive toughness and a rebouders mentality, and that is Turiaf to a "T". We didn't overpay for Turiaf and Magette's contract isn't a burden. These are building blocks, young and old, that can put us on the right track. Turiaf isn't gonna take all of Wright's minutes and Nellie was never gonna play Randolph any meaningful minutes this year. All that youth talk you can chalk up to the same sort of talk last year, when Nellie said" Belinelli, will be our starting SG and Monte will come off the bench". That was hype and him pushing Monte, Nellie knows talent and never once hesitated to start Monte but sure as hell hesitated to start Marco.

Don't get me wrong, I will miss Baron he was great and so much fun. His swagger is something we haven't had in a along time, not since Tim Hardaway. And I am disappointed in not getting Elton, he was exactly what we needed and what we may never have, a dominant BIG. But now, we trade for a PG (I like Hinrich's "D" and he is a great distributor but there is Josh Childress or taking a chance on Livningston) and we move Al's contract to free up space. We just added a hustle player and rebounder ( if the Lakers don't match, and all signs point to the no, but that's what they said about Baron and Brand too, right?) and a slasher and driver in Mag's. We lose no speed in Mags(very fast at his pisition and Baron had lost a step, he was pushing guys around rather than going around them) and get tougher in Turiaf. This looks like a team who will either add a star and be a contender or develop a star, if either of our last 2 picks grow like Monte did. I know we haven't  seen a guy develop and become a star, not since Richmond, who we lost anyways, but it happens. We got A.I. 2.0 and this one can shoot for percentage.

So buck up, we are on the right track finally, not crippling ourselves with a long term contract with Baron, mostly young guys with some real talent that will flourish in a Nelli-ball system and hope in Monte that we got a star for the future and it is starting to look like Mullin actually has a plan.

 

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Thank you, Jacob! I was too lazy to respond to that lame “Please Read”...

by flaaron on Jul 9, 2008 10:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No problem Aaron

I get sick of this stuff, some other guy was talking about how much Turiaf sucks and Mag’s will be no help. we are gonna sign Monte and Beans, so we got a good squad, plus no one understands history. We aren’t getting any of those great bigs. We are building what we can, we will be fun to wathc and some other dude said, why spend $50M on Mag’s and not $65 on Baron. That is ridiculous, Baron has not future and will cripple the clips in 2 years, and they say we are stacked at the 3, but if Jack slides to 2 we got who? Jack, Mags maybe Randolph, is he forgetting we don’t have Barnes or Pietrus anymore? People are mad Baron left cause he was the first guy in 10 years we could say look at our guy, he’s as good as anyone on your team or close to it. Now we don’t but it would’ve been too much to pay to watch another good year or 2 from Baron and then watch his shell get lugged around for the remainding 3 years on his contract

by JacobMiller on Jul 9, 2008 10:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok first of all Baron has made the playoffs 6 times, and the second round 3 times as the leader of his team. Maggette has made the playoffs once as a role player. Baron maybe hasnt gotten close to a championship, but much closer than maggette.

Also look at how many games MAggs has played since 01 vs. Baron

Mags Baron

01-02: 63 games played 01-02: 82 games played
02-03: 64 games played 02-03: 50 games played
03-04: 73 games played 03-04: 67 games played
04-05: 66 games played 04-05: 46 games played
05-06: 32 games played 05-06: 54 games played
06-07: 75 games played 06-07: 63 games played
07-08: 70 games played 07-08: 82 games played

Cmaggs total: 443 games since 2001
BAron’s total: 444 games since 2001

So why is Cmaggs more reliable than Baron????
Why will Baron cripple us while Cmaggs won’t. Baron is twice as good as maggette

by scwarrior24 on Jul 9, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baron is obviously breaking down

where as Mag’s has had a few injuries. Also, Baron is not trying all the time, but everytime I watched Mag’s he was trying, to get to the BASKET. But all this is moot because the reason why Mag’s is a good choice is, he is $15 Million cheaper. Baron wanted more $ than Parker or Nash. He isn’t as good as either of those guys. He will cripple the Clipps because they are sommitting to paying him more $ than he can perform worth. The W’s are filling gaps and building a team, Baron will not be an all star in LA, he won’t even have the same #’s there. I will bet you now his points and boards go down. and he won’t avreage more dimes than he did last year.
Baron would cripple us, because in 3 years when he breaks down, he will still be owed $13-15 M and we will have to figure out how to get along with him in the same way the Suns were trying to figure out what to do with Penny Hardaway.
And Magette isn’t the answer to filling in for Baron. He is a get and will match Baron’s point production. Turiaf will hopefully match his intensity and get some Rebounds (and Baron was not a great defender, he went for easy steals and frequently got used by other PG.) and we will deal for a PG soon. Just got to clear up this Turiaf thing and we will deal Al and get a PG. All these guys will make up for Baron by committee. I feel like your expecting us to just replace a star with another star. But we are replacing Baron with a bunch of good players and Monte was already our best player by the end of the year. With money we are saving on Baron we can get a Turiaf and even another PG. That is why Baron would Cripple us and Mag’s will help.
I will make you a friendly wager anytime about Braon, if he averages more points than Mag’s or is even playing more than 20 minutes a game in 3 years. you pick the topic and we’ll bet.

by JacobMiller on Jul 9, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with what you’ve said but disagree that this warranted yet another fanpost.

Just sayin’.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What????

Do you go around “Goofus” and let everyone know they are waisting cyberspace? Are you the protector of Cyberspace, in charge of over done topics? I don’t get it, everyone is talking about the same topics with their opinion, I thought that was the point of message boards. I am sorry though, I will try and conserve cyberspace, we are running frighteningly low.

by JacobMiller on Jul 9, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chill

A little too much coffee this morning?

My point is that with all the fanposts pushing duplicate posts down, following multiple conversations takes more time than it should and you end up reading the same opinions on multiple posts. Your reason for creating a new post (“I want everyone to read this”) would suggest that you have a far higher opinion of your opinion than anyone else’s.

I don’t post much here, but try to stop in hear people’s opinions. The signal-to-noise ration here is pretty low right now. As I said, I agree with your post completely and it was well-written, but starting new fanposts to respond opinions in existing fanposts is a little much.

Or should I have started a new fanpost instead of replying here?

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok point taken

However, I want to clarify I’m not saying signing Turiaf was a bad thing. I like him, he will help us. All I am saying is, with the signing of Magette we have no money to spend now. And in all hoensty wouldn’t you have rather have waitied a year before just unloading cap money on players who aren’t the answer to our long term needs rather than a short fix. You can’t honestly expect this team right now to be in the palyoffs. Can you? At best were the 9th or 10th best team in the Pacific. And its not like over night the spurs, suns, and dallas are just going to not contend anymore for the playoffs. So my beef is not with Turiaf. My beef is that we are stuck with the 10-14th draft pick for the next 5 years or so and the question of will we be good enough next year to make the playoffs. I mean theoretically speaking if we would have waited a year before just signing people to sign people we could have ended up with a top 5 pick and gotten jrue holiday or ricky rubio which would have solved our PG problem. And we could have really developed B wright and given some pt to Randolph here and there like we did with B wright last year. I’m not saying start AR. Turiaf is a great add, but when also signing Magette it kind of hampers what else we can do this year in terms of FA.

by Mr RuN n GuN on Jul 9, 2008 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am following you

I just think we don’t need to go into free agency full bore this year. We will move Al and get a PG and then we can make a play next year or the year after. Their is always ways to make cap room. we got Al and Jack coming off the books in 2 years and everyone will be looking at Lebron and Wade, we could get Bosh or another guy. Plus I don’t think any of these guys will hamper our young bucks. Wright looked good last year and he will improve plus we are over estimating how good Baron is and under estimating how good Monte is.

by JacobMiller on Jul 9, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

just to clarify I was never a person who abcked signing him to a 5yr 65M deal. Baron is the man and proved it but to pay him top dollar for 5 years is ridiculous. He has about 2-3 years of All Star Calliber left. Monta is great too, but he is no PG. He wont be Steve Nash. He has a high turnover rate and only creates for himself. Put it this way do you see Monta averaging more than 8 assits? Also, by playing him point we may take away form his ability to create for himself since he is at the point and not at a wing. It’s easier to get to the basket form the wing cuz theres less help than driving from the top of the key where anyone can step in. And you’re absolutely right about clearing space for a 2010 superstar. It’s just Magette and Turiaf seems so disappointing after what we have had the previous 2 years.

by Mr RuN n GuN on Jul 9, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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