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After the Maggette deal went down, I talked to as many people as I could and it sounds like Al is basically gone. His value is a bit lower than people would like, as he's seen only as a shooter now, but his deal is short and the team might be able to get something for him (like a backup PG!).

I speculated that Turiaf was on the team's radar and shortly after I published this, the news came out about an offer to him. I had no idea discussions were that far along, but it's just more signs of the obvious Harrington deal.

Some possibilities include Milwaukee, Charlotte, and maybe OKC. The Nets could be interested as well, but I have not heard that as a name that has popped up.

Expect the team to focus on this before looking hard into Keyon Dooling or Carlos Arroyo as pick up possibilities.

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Thanks for the Info Pree

I am watching sportscenter right now and they were talking about the state of the clippers and a writer from L.A said that Shawn Marion is a possibility that the Clippers are looking into acquiring. He also mentioned that they have competition for Marion from Golden State. Is this true? Any word on Marion, and if so, why would we need more 3’s?

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 9, 2008 3:22 PM PDT   0 recs

Marion would be a 4 in our system

he would be a better rebounding and defensive version of Harrington

I guess the way we can entice Miami is by offering to eat a big chunk of his contract. Could be possible I guess…

by racsan on Jul 9, 2008 3:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it would be awesome to get Shawn

Ellis, Maggette, Jack, Marion would a possible 4 20ppg scores plus the Matrix can play some D and has a great expiring contract.

Bring the Matrix to the Oracle!!

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 9, 2008 3:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

wouldn’t it take packaging Al and Jackson to get Marion?

by Nellieball on Jul 9, 2008 3:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it’d frankly take a helluva lot more than that. Riley may not love Marion, but he’s not gonna dump him for that little. I think we’d need to include Monta or Beans to get Marion, and as great as Marion would be for us, I dunno if it’d be worth it.

by onlxn on Jul 9, 2008 3:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i agree it would take alot more, but wouldn’t it start at Al and Jackson just because of their contracts?

by Nellieball on Jul 9, 2008 3:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd be on board for a Marion pickup.

It’d probably take Al, Randolph/wright, and a future 1st, but shoot I’d do it.

Maybe not if Wright was involved, but for Randolph, sure why not?

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 9, 2008 5:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't

that would not make us that much better in my opinion… We’d have basically the same kind of player all over again when we just signed Maggette it’s just that Marion is an unorthodox 3… is the only difference… if you’re trying to get a PF then get a PF… not a 3 that people make play a 4…

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 9, 2008 7:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

on interesting take I read recently

suggested that the Warriors aquisition of Maggette was a great one because it enhances their strengths. The article suggested teams that dont have great balance like San Antonio or Detroit end up hurting their team when they try to fill their areas of weakness. A clear example used was the Suns, not only with the obvious trade of Marion for Shaq but also the trade of Q. Rich for Kurt Thomas. The argument is that when a team tries to improve its areas of weakness it usually ends up going away from its strengths. You could say the Warriors also did this with the JRich trade (though that was mostly financial) as they tried to go more “traditional” and get bigger. Its, if nothing else, an interesting argument. I’m not sure I really agree but aquiring Marion would certainly fit with this strategy of continuing to play to our strengths. Monta, Jack, Maggette, and Marion on the floor at the same time would be scary to teams in much the same way that Baron, Monta, Jack, and JRich were at the end of the 2006-2007 season.

by sam23 on Jul 10, 2008 10:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm...

That is actually pretty interesting. I’m not sure how true it is but I’m always willing to examine an argument that goes against conventional thinking when it comes to stuff like this. I’m guessing that teams that make trades to cover up weaknesses will come up short overall in the talent department a fair amount of times as well. Definitely something interesting to think about.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 10, 2008 10:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yea exactly

I’m not sure if I really agree or not, but it was definitely an interesting theory that got me thinking. I’ll try to find the article or at least the author and post it. Seems like Nellie would totally buy into that line of thinking.

by sam23 on Jul 10, 2008 10:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

true

but you could argue there are actually 4 better scoring options-Marion and Baron being about equal, Monta as a better version of himself, and Maggette probably being a slightly better scorer than JRich in an uptempo system. Hopefully Monta and Jack can handle the ball handling duties.

by sam23 on Jul 10, 2008 11:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

interesting thought

i think its evident though that in the 2 deals that you reference the deals werent of equal value. both players that were given up were more productive than the players they got in return. in regards to jrich this deal was never finalized. what i mean by that is imo that deal was done to get kg. had this all worked out the way it was headed we would of had a pretty good team. i believe we would of had a team bd, jax, al,kg and a fill in cuz i think monte and beans were part of the deal for kg

by Rach on Jul 10, 2008 11:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

QRich for Kurt Thomas?

QRich was more productive for the Suns’ system but I wouldnt say he’s a more productive player. Again its not my argument, just a theory I read that I found interesting. Its certainly debatable at best, but it is thought provoking.

by sam23 on Jul 11, 2008 12:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont know about that KG deal either

I think JRich wouldve been part of a deal for KG. I think once they dealt JRich to Charlotte it was pretty clear we werent getting him. Monta OR Beans, plus JRich and a draft pick or two was always the deal I heard rumored.

by sam23 on Jul 11, 2008 12:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

my bad

i should have said were referenced insteasd of you reference. i didnt take it as your agument.my bad. i remember the deal kg deal was to be ellis AND beans, bwright and foyle to have the $$$’s match. that was what fitz said on knbr the deal was to be and at the last minute they went with boston instead

by Rach on Jul 11, 2008 7:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

probably right then

Fitz would remember better and have better info than me, thats for sure. that wouldve been a lot to give up.

by sam23 on Jul 11, 2008 9:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

alot to give up?

kg may have been the piece that could have got us to the finals. w/out kg the celts dont win it all. bd ,kg jax, al, and buike better 5 than lakers, spurs, pistons, suns. that would have been very good TEAM and balanced .ahhh mchale sucks

by Rach on Jul 11, 2008 10:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thats not a better 5

and there is NO depth to that team at all. I love KG, but I dont know if that wouldve been a good deal.

by sam23 on Jul 11, 2008 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

keep in mind

this deal is done before ellis has his breakout. and your right a bench of cro, mb, mp, lasme and bellie isnt one that you get excited about. i just feel that kg would have been one superstar to rival bd cuz jax isnt.

by Rach on Jul 11, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thats not a better 5

im just a big buike fan and think that if given a chance he could put up good numbers

by Rach on Jul 11, 2008 12:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They probably would have made the playoffs

But not more. The only wild card is how much KG would have inspired BD. If he is somehow able to tun BD into a 100% commitment player on offense and defense, they might be able to make the finals. That’s a pretty big if though. And even still you’d have to hope BD makes it the whole way without injuries. I suppose that if you add Posey, House, and PJ Brown the depth improves… but we’d still have a tough time with any of the western conference playoff teams.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 11, 2008 11:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point

about the inspiration factor. IMO the Celtics didn’t win it all just because they had a ton of talent. You could tell that these guys bought into playing defense with intensity the entire year. A big part of that was KG’s slightly crazy intense nature. I would have been interested to see what he could have done on this team.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 11, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Even with a 100% Booom

I dont think they make the finals. Not even close to enough depth and when Al Harrington is your best AND only option at center I think youll struggle to win a playoff series.

by sam23 on Jul 11, 2008 1:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

im not sure...

i know that the warriors are still around 10 mill under the cap so they could absorb the 7-8 million more dollars that Marion’s contract has compared to Harringtons. The question is how much it would take to get him, but i felt like the heat didn’t care much if Marion opted out. He isn’t part of their long time future, so maybe Harrington/Belinelli/future picks might get it done. IT might cost us one of our young guys Randolph/Wright/Belinelli but out of the 3 i hope its Marco.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 9, 2008 3:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That is alot for a one year rental unless you give him the max or close too it next year. He has repeatedly said he wants the max.

by Nellieball on Jul 9, 2008 6:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i like what i hear

thanks pree… the more info, the marrier

AIM: AndrewR1388

by NinerWarrior on Jul 9, 2008 3:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Pargo

I would sign him in a heartbeat as a starter and back him up with CJ

by sarangc on Jul 9, 2008 3:28 PM PDT   0 recs

i agree

i really like pargo but i also wouldn’t mind arroyo or dooling

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 9, 2008 3:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pargo

seems like the best available FA to me

by sam23 on Jul 9, 2008 3:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think Pargo would start over Monta

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 9, 2008 8:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hey pree

what about jax? any word on moving him or maybe packaging him with al to get a more higher profile player.he had a career year last year and he has a movable contract.

by Rach on Jul 9, 2008 3:32 PM PDT   0 recs

NO WAY.....Keep StackJack.

He’s a solid player…I would package Bellinelli/Harrington and next years first round draft pick for Chancy and call it a day.

by Boricuabob on Jul 9, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd keep him as long as he takes care of the ball more...

I hate how he tries to do too much sometimes by forcing the issue either with him just straight up going for it just trying to bulldoze his way through and get to the line and often times he doesn’t even get the call… Other wise a great player who has does a lot of intangible things on the court.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 9, 2008 8:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he has good handles for a forward but he takes the ball into trouble way to much and that high dribble is a killer. thats where maggs will help us out he’s better at scoring inside paint than jax and has more credablity when it comes to getting fouled than jax. the scarry thing is that with me and maggs in the paint jax will jackin em up like crazy.

by Rach on Jul 9, 2008 8:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I actually prefer Stack Jack bombing from outside...

Than driving constantly, dribbling off his foot or getting his ishh thrown from behind or even worse, complaining about a no-call. I think his chances of getting kicked out of a game is proportional to the time he spends driving the lane.

Besides, I think his erky jerk handle loses its hypnotic effectiveness the more the defender sees it. Kind of like a pitcher’s out pitch in baseball…

"I am the CHOSEN ONE"

by Tim&ChrisBurger on Jul 9, 2008 9:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

very well put. just keep in mind that instead of being 0 for 6 for a qtr from 3 he will now be 0 for 9. then he will hit the next 5 in a row:)

by Rach on Jul 9, 2008 9:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

true

so ridiculously streaky. but at least he never lacks confidence.

by sam23 on Jul 10, 2008 10:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Take it to them!!!!!

I happen to like it when he forces his will and puts some pressure on the defence. Other than Baron, he’s the only one that does that…and we need that with all the skinny post players we have that don’t want to bang in the paint.

by Boricuabob on Jul 9, 2008 11:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No

He’s too important to move right now – he’s really the initiator on offense.

by pree on Jul 9, 2008 5:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Marion

I love that we got Maggette. I know Baron wants back in, especially if we somehow acquired Shawn Marion. I say trade Harrington & Ellis for Shawn Marion/Mario Chalmers/Ricky Davis.
I think the heat would take it. I know people wouldn’t like the idea of Ellis leaving. But then we can pay Andris something nice. Marion/Davis/Jax/Maggette/Biedrins/ and let Chalmers run the damn point. So when the vets move on, Chalmers can get chemistry going with Randolph/Wright/Bellinelli in the meantime. I think Chalmers is going to be a stellar Point Guard.

I can’t imagine having Shawn Marion/Corey Maggette/Stephen Jackson/Ricky Davis/Mario Chalmers. Now thats some small ball! With Wright, Randolph & Biedrins coming off the bench. Like?

Jayar P.

by jayarpdreamdub on Jul 9, 2008 3:39 PM PDT   0 recs

no.

i don’t like ricky davis one bit and why would you even think of trading ellis for an unproven point guard??? i’m sure we can get marion through other methods.

by jchao204 on Jul 9, 2008 3:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ricky d

is a free agent

by sam23 on Jul 9, 2008 3:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

marion!? awesome!

nothing would thrill me more than the opportunity to watch marion launch those flawless, signature jumpers night in and night out!

I'm keen on the professional basketball club The Golden State Warriors. I don't fancy other clubs.

by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jul 9, 2008 3:45 PM PDT   0 recs

+1

let’s pair him up with josh childress. we can run fundamentals summer camps for kids.

by b.radley on Jul 9, 2008 6:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don Nelson says

A shot is only ugly when it misses. :P

I love Marion’s shot specifically because he throws it up all weird and stupid yet the ball still goes in like a textbook jumper.

by J-Triumf on Jul 9, 2008 9:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

cmon mullins, clippers took baron away and u countered with offers to brand and magette. magics took pietrus away so counter with marion!!! i know its a different team but still the same state!!!!!!

by nuttinbutnet on Jul 9, 2008 3:51 PM PDT   0 recs

Hmm

In terms of the Heat, I don’t think they’re looking to bring in ANY long term contracts at the moment. With Wayde and his opt-out clause in 2010, they need to keep as much cap space open as possible the next couple of years in order to give their man a lucrative extension. But Marion is someone that flew under the radar and now that he’s been brought up, it’s getting me a bit excited.

by dandydaniel on Jul 9, 2008 4:10 PM PDT   0 recs

Harringtons deal

ends in 2010 so its perfect.

by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 5:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

boozer will be a FA next year

assuming he opts out. wouldnt you? the year after has too much competition for contracts. if i’m miami i DO NOT take on a long term contract, and i probably keep marion PRECISELY BECAUSE he is a big expiring. turn around next year and put his money into an offer to boozer, move beasley to the 3, and re-sign wade the following year…

by b.radley on Jul 9, 2008 6:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Personally I don't think Beasley can play the 3 because of his size...

He’s too big of a body to take away from the block and he’s very effective there anyways… but ehh maybe…

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 9, 2008 8:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he will be able to. Think of Melo with more of a post game than just overpowering smaller defenders.

by Nellieball on Jul 9, 2008 8:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

I think Marion/Beasley actually will work really well together as they can be kinda interchangable at the 3 and 4. But 17 mil is a lot to tie up in one guy when they have so many other holes to fill so I can see why they might like to move him.

by sam23 on Jul 10, 2008 10:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade For Marion

Trading For Marion Would Be The Better Than Having B Davis Back.
Seriously, Marion For JAX/Harrington&2nd Round Pick.
If They Don’t Like That Than Screw Em.
That Sets Up Monta/Maggette… On Second Thought, Lets Not Do This. We Lose 2 Starters & Get One Back Thats Only A Temp… Add A PG And Call It A Day

"Going To Be An Interesting Year"

by YayArea510 on Jul 9, 2008 4:30 PM PDT   0 recs

ppl

how about Al for hinrich. he is one of the best pg that is on the move. and with derrick rose running point in chi-town. they both got the salery per a yr. hell, he give you 16,6 and steal. he could run point for us. Forget Marion, he only great with Nash. that it.

by warriorfan4life on Jul 9, 2008 4:32 PM PDT   0 recs

Latest word

Hinrich in, Gordon out

by pree on Jul 9, 2008 5:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

PGs are hard to come by all of a sudden

Gordon I thought would be the odd man out as well since Chicago does only have 2 PGs.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 9, 2008 8:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

all of a sudden?

How quickly we forget. remember our massive PG struggles between Timmy and Baron? No coincidence that the team struggled so much during that time.

by sam23 on Jul 10, 2008 11:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Charlotte???

do i see a possobility for j-rich to come back to the bay?
how about this situation:

Al+Beans+maggs for J rich and Okafor

by hyphy cowboy on Jul 9, 2008 4:41 PM PDT   0 recs

What if Jrich didn't want to come back?

With Mullin pulling the seat from underneath him. Ever thought of that?

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 9, 2008 5:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not like he would have a choice if he is traded for.

by Nellieball on Jul 9, 2008 6:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Complicated

It would have to be J-Rich for sign-and-traded Beans then Okafor sign-and-trade for Al. HAHAHA

by pree on Jul 9, 2008 5:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Like Pree said before

why don’t we trade Al Harrington to OKC for Wilcox and Ridnour.
Even if we had to add a pick to the deal it would give us an
experienced PG a solid addition to our front line and we’d get some
value for Al since the Sonics seem to be willing to part with both
players. This lineup looks pretty good

Monta/Ridnour/CJ Watson
Sjax/Monta/Bellinelli/Demarcus Nelson
Maggette/ARandolph
Wilcox/BWright/Hendrix
Biedrins/Turiaf

Don’t get me wrong though. If we can trade Al + picks for S. Marion. Lets do it. I think this OKC trade would really help us out.

by scwarrior24 on Jul 9, 2008 4:44 PM PDT   0 recs

That'd give us a whole lot of big guys.

Whoa, is this a warriors team? Bigmen and Warriors don’t go hand in hand…

In all seriousness, I think I’d much rather go full bore in getting Kirk Hinrich. I know, I know, he comes with that terrible contract, but it’s not like we’ll have the cap room anytime soon to sign someone better.

We now know that the Warriors are trying to stay competitive in this WC, and not going full bore into tank mode. Go get a decent PG, so that Monta can be used the best way possible.

Hinrich can also adequately guard SG’s. But defense needs to be addressed this year. I don’t know if the defense was terrible due to bad/lackadasical coaching on the warriors part, or if it was due to a “follow the leader” type deal where if Baron’s not giving 100%, then the rest don’t either.

But now if we can get Wright and AB on the court at the same time, that’s a lot of length on the court to cover holes in the defense. We’ve seen with New Orleans’ style defense, that if the perimeter guards can take away their man’s strong/preferred side, and shuttle them into traps, then it can be pretty effective (I’m talking about Peja’s defense). Their guards know they have a beast behind them, so they know their covered.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 9, 2008 5:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

-1

Getting a real-deal starting PG makes no sense with the Maggette signing. Unless we trade Jax or Maggette, or Maggette comes off the bench. With a PG, Maggette and Monta play the same position, and/or our positional balance is all off…

by b.radley on Jul 9, 2008 6:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 9, 2008 8:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

was his defense bad under skiles?

if you arent motivated to play d for skiles then i dont think you got it in you.

I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.

Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.

by STIX on Jul 10, 2008 5:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no way on ridnour

that dude is just a terrible ball player. he doens’t have the bulk, height or the handles to play PG + why wilcox when we got an up and comer in bwright?

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Jul 9, 2008 5:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like Ridnour

as a back up .. his contract is reasonable and if he comes with Wilcox, it would be a formidable lineup. You’re trading one bad contract for two better ones and they fit needs. It’s not bad.

by pree on Jul 9, 2008 5:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like the Kristic and M. Williams deal better

but the OKC deal seems much more feasible….Its probably as good as we are gonna get for Al.

by sam23 on Jul 10, 2008 11:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well....

I don’t think Ridnour would fit in our team, I would rather have alston or someone instead.

by Ali luvs monta on Jul 12, 2008 10:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs