SportsCenter reports that Warriors will deal with Memphis
by ejdacanay on Jul 9, 2008 10:46 PM PDT
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For a PG. We may trade future pick(s) for one. Here are the candidates:
Mike Conley Jr.
Javaris Crittenton
Kyle Lowry
OJ Mayo (Restricted Right Now?)
All 4 of them are still very young and their PG skill sets way outmatch those of Monta and Watsons. More so then any Free Agent that is attainable right now. I would want either Javaris or MC Jr., but would be happy with either. OJ Mayo is pretty much untouchable unless we S/T Monta (which I wouldn't mind).
If we get a PG I would say this off-season was not as bad as it should've been.
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It was on the television broadcast several hours ago. No link available. It was Bucher who mentioned it.
by ejdacanay on Jul 9, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good
Bucher is really tight with the organization, because he used to be the beat writer. The question really is which one do we get?
by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We definitely need a backup point.
If this the rumor’s true, the only realistic possibilities would be Crittenton or Lowry. I’d rather have Lowry, who averaged about 9.5 points, 3.5 assists, 3 rebounds, and 1 steal in only 25 minutes a game (14ppg the last 5 games of the season). His PER was also the highest of the 3 (Lowry = 14.32, Conley = 12.65, Crittenton = 11.04)
I really wish the W’s would go after a more talented backup 1 than Crittenton or Lowry, but I guess it would be hard to trade Al for guys like Felton or Hinrich. If the rumor’s true, I hope the Warriors get Lowry.
by The Daydreamer on Jul 10, 2008 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucher’s comment was basically “don’t be surprised if the Warriors trade a draft pick to Memphis for one of their point guards”.
by Eggman on Jul 10, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah motha fuckas, rafer alston, or starbury or j-rich
by azntigar78 on Jul 10, 2008 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 10, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude... your so Gangsta' adding MF...
...at least tell us why choose those three than droppin names… excuse me… YA’ DIGG!
by Tony.psd on Jul 10, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL TELL 'EM TONY! LOL WOOOOOOWOOOOO
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 10, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
I’d like to see some confirmation before I get excited but I think that this would be a great move if it’s true.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jul 9, 2008 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pree?
Any news coming your way?
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jul 9, 2008 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
when did you hear this?
i just turned on sports center
i would love conley…
by monta ellis on Jul 9, 2008 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This would be a nice move for you guys
If I had to guess it would be Crittenton just because he has the most size (6’5”) to pair up with the undersized Ellis.
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by Dheepan on Jul 9, 2008 11:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
He is probably the most available, especially if all we are giving up is a future pick.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jul 9, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OJ Mayo
Let’s offer up a future 1st rounder and Al for OJ Mayo!
Lowry is a modern day Mateen Cleaves. Scratch him off the Dubs wish list.
by GoldenStateDubtronic on Jul 9, 2008 11:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m afraid we’re going to cough up Monta for Mephis to even consider it.
by ejdacanay on Jul 9, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont be surprised if Antoine Walker and his 3/9 mil contract are part of any deal. it would most likely him and a what ever pg we wanted except oj
by Rach on Jul 9, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we land Conley, then it is worth it.
by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind bringing in Walker
It’s only one year at $9 mil… since next season would be a team option (which we would likely decline) He was a great passing PF who could conceivably initiate the offense for the 2nd unit. If you really think about it… his game is built for Nellie ball… and like Joe Star said… If we get any PG back w/o having to sacrifice anything more than Al Harrington or a pick… I’m all for it.
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 10, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good to know about walker
then the more realistic centerpeice to a possible would be jaric and ??? player to be named. walker would basicaly be an even swap no benefit for them.
by Rach on Jul 10, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While he might be able to get back to “not a total and complete liability” Walker has been, for many years, a total and complete liability. Every minute he spends on a court detracts from his team’s ability to win. His passing has never made up for his errant shooting, pedestrian rebounding and poor decision making. He’s almost as likely to turn it over as he is to get an assist, and his 41.4 % shooting is poor for a point guard. For a forward, it’s six levels of hell below “abysmal.” His game is built for college scouts to marvel at ‘ability’ with no regard for results.
He’s nothing more than contract fodder. If we traded for him, I’d hope against all that he’d be made inactive for the duration of the contract so he cannot drag down squads by accidentally stumbling onto the court when the team was left with only 4 healthy bodies.
by jae on Jul 10, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
any deal that would need to include walker or jaric i wouldnt do. we just wouldnt get enough back in return other than saying we traded al or we got a pg. i would rather shop him some where else or just keep him
by Rach on Jul 10, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any trade where you got rid of Benoit was a good trade. Walker is the new Benoit Benjamin.
by jae on Jul 10, 2008 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope it is not Kyle Lowry
The other two I would be perfectly fine with, but Lowry makes no sense, you see how small he is?
by ineemoney21 on Jul 9, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Conley was their number three pick overall. Unless we’re giving up something really, really good (like we’ve worked out a Biedrins sign and trade) I don’t think he’s coming. He had a respectable rookie year when he was healthy, respectable enough that I don’t think that Memphis is interested in giving up on him. That said, his year wasn’t really any better than Lowry’s. Conley has an inch on Lowry perhaps, but Lowry somehow seems to find more rebounds and plays bigger. Conley’s the better outside shooter, Lowry’s better on the drive. Yeah, he’s small. So is Conley. Crittenton would be a perfect fit, if we’re modeling jerseys. The ability to play the game, to pass the ball, to score efficiently, to grab boards? That he’s yet to demonstrate.
by jae on Jul 10, 2008 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why so down on Lowry?
Look, I understand the intrigue with Crittenton. 6’6”, PG skills, upside, etc.
But Kyle Lowry can play! One of the reasons BD and Monta could play together was Boom’s ability to defend bigger players, especially on the block. He was an absolute bulldog and I see similar qualities in Lowry.
Plus, of the Conley/Crit/Lowry group, KL would probably be the cheapest to obtain. I think he makes the most sense.
You may run like Hayes. but you hit like sh**!
by Orbit1099 on Jul 10, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lowry
is on paper 6’0 but in reality I’ve heard that he’s actually even smaller than that… so comparing him to Baron… ehhh I don’t really think he quite matches up since Baron is a solid 6’2 – ‘3 player with a heavy build plus I’ve seen Lowry flop waaay too manytimes man… Not a good sign for being solid.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 10, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lowry
He’s a feisty little guy ala Nate Rob. I don’t think he’d be a good fit with Monta though not enough size
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year
by gsw4life on Jul 10, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 10, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing along side Monta
I’d hope to be the exception rather than the rule. 5-10 minutes a game?
You may run like Hayes. but you hit like sh**!
by Orbit1099 on Jul 10, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about KWAME BROWN?
hes only 25 and i think the warriors can make him happen!!! harry + bellinelli for conley and kbrown!!
WE BELIEVE KWAME CAN PLAY!!!
by monta ellis on Jul 9, 2008 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FA
The W’s have Turiaf, Biedrens, Wright, and Hendrix who are all better than Brown.
by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
So we can blow the bank on Kwame Brown? Get outta here.
by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about...
signing dooling or jason williams?
by monta ellis on Jul 9, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get Conley or Crittenton, then we don’t have to need them.
by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crittenton hasn’t shown he can produce in the NBA at all.
by jae on Jul 10, 2008 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
You’d rather pay white chocolate to come here.
by joestar on Jul 10, 2008 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strawman
Well that’s a complete and total strawman. Where the hell did you get that notion that I’ve said ANYTHING about Williams? Do you believe that what you posted actually followed logically (in which case, you’re incorrect, but thanks for trying) or were you just trying to be cute?
Crittenton’s name gets bounced around, I suspect because someone got the notion that we need a tall guard to pair with Monta. Unfortunately, most of the thought process doesn’t get that much deeper, as what we need is a tall guard who can play the game, something Crittenton hasn’t shown. He came out too early, had turnover problems in college that appear to be true in the pros, had shot selection issues in college by trying to force issues that haven’t solved themselves in the pros. I don’t think he is close to ready to help a team and don’t really see much hope that this will ever change. I’d rather have a short guy who can play than someone whose big selling point is his size. That gets you lousy players who don’t fit in airline seats.
by jae on Jul 10, 2008 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL...Strawman
Anytime mention of logical fallacies enter a debate I am attentive.
by Hoof on Jul 10, 2008 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
if we could somehow convince foyle to play the point, his size would be a great compliment to monta, point guard skills notwithstanding.
by cap'n hack on Jul 10, 2008 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Foyle...
Just imagine him catching a pass… and throwing a good one to another player! It would be a site to see!
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 10, 2008 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were
You even paying attention to the posts before. I was referencing the other possible scenarios that were being brought up. I’d take an unproven crit for cheap than pay J-Will anyday.
Strawman your ass, and stop trying to act superior to everyone else with your essays for posts.
by joestar on Jul 10, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to bash J-Will
Then respond to the posts about J-Will. And don’t get your panties in a bunch. It’s the internet and text based communication. Sarcasm isn’t apparent, intent is barely apparent.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 10, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats my point.
The post was within the context of the discussion. I assumed jae read the posts I replied to and would respond accordingly. Instead he bashes me and calls me cute? Also, you should get off your high horse. If anything the written word is one of the strongest mediums, and I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic. Go reread the whole damn discussion before stepping into this like you know whats going on. .
by joestar on Jul 10, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calm down.
Clearly it was a misunderstanding. Stop trying to call everyone superior. You wrote:
You’d rather pay white chocolate to come here.
No question mark. You were jumping to a conclusion about what JAE thought, and making an assumption. You may not have intended to do that but that is how it reads. He asked you if you believed what you posted in response to his comment followed logically or if you were trying to be cute. He didn’t just call you cute.
You could have just said, no I meant it as a question to you and forgot to use a question mark. Instead you took it personally and got personal in your response.
Chill out we are all just trying to talk basketball here.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jul 10, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make sense.
After reading your post I’m a lot calmer now. Maybe its because you wrote in a way that made us more like peers, instead of lecturing me.
by joestar on Jul 10, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
white chocolate to come here?
Yeah, Makes a lot of sense if the price is right. We get ring experience, entertainment,a big upgrade in team cool, and someone to show Montay how to play point?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 10, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND WE SHOULD SIGN
SEBASTIAN TELFAIR…
hes another underachieving high schooler, paired with ellis jackson harrington beans and k-brown, we’ll be sending the message
F* COLLEGE!!!
by monta ellis on Jul 9, 2008 11:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OJ Mayo is pretty much untouchable unless we S/T Monta
Can Mayo defend 2 guards? oh wait, if we trade Montay we won’t have to worry about that. Can Mayo handle or is he another point/ 2 combo? Dint pay much attention to him in the draft cause I knew we couldn’t get him with our spot. Bottom line would OJ and Magette be better than Montay and Magette? If not why take a chance? Montay is a proven 2 guard so unless we get a proven point guard in trade we might as well keep the little fellow?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2008 11:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i will move to which ever city
monta ellis is traded to
by monta ellis on Jul 9, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayo hasn't played one game yet.
It’s ludicrous to think that we should trade Monta for Mayo just because some fan thinks he’s better.
by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Can Mayo defend 2 guards? oh wait, if we trade Montay we won’t have to worry about that
LOL yea Montas D is bad. OJ is a great defender he can play man and zone. He excels greatly at perimeter defense. An example was when he locked down Pargo vs Gonzaga.
2. Can Mayo handle or is he another point/ 2 combo?
Yes. Coming into college he was projected to be a PG/SG. He excels more at the SG position, but there is no doubt in my mind that if he plays PG full time he will be nothing short of outstanding. He would be a mix of Ben Gordon and Derron Williams.
3. Bottom line would OJ and Magette be better than Montay and Magette?
Without a doubt. Monta’s PG skills are no where near OJ’s. And OJ plays D and can play both tempos.
by ejdacanay on Jul 9, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
Lock down on Pargo….soooooo, thats pretty much like guarding baron/deron williams/nash/billups/chris paul/other nba point guards on a night to night basis, right?
Playoffs!!??
by PAWarrior on Jul 9, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
OJ Mayo has not played a game in the NBA. He may be a great defender, one does not know. But to say that a lockdown defensive effort against Jeremy Pargo (12 point, 6 assist, 25% 3 point shooting, in the WCC of all leagues) shows his candidacy to “excel greatly” at perimeter D in the NBA, well that just is kinda funny to me.
Playoffs!!??
by PAWarrior on Jul 10, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant was, an example of good D on top of my head was that game. Your clearly looking up stats and I seriously doubt you watched that game, but Pargo was clearly frustrated with OJ being in his face the whole game. OJ is a great defender and defensive skill is easier to transfer to the NBA then most other skills. You laugh like that while clearly knowing that our team cant play D to save a life.
by ejdacanay on Jul 10, 2008 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa dude
Im not saying hes not a good defender, just thought your reference to Pargo was funny. Hes such a mediocre player it just didn’t make much sense to use that as an example.
And whos to say I didn’t know Pargos stats of the top of my head….haha just kidding buddy
Playoffs!!??
by PAWarrior on Jul 10, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's referring to Pargo who currently plays in college
Not Janeero Pargo of the NBA.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 10, 2008 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't
Janeero Pargo be even tougher to guard than Whatever Pargo in college? Let’s see how Mayo does against Janeero first before judging whether he can play d or not.
That’s like saying Alex Smith torched “insert top NCAA football program” so he can undoubtedly be a supurb QB for the niners.
by misterjennings on Jul 10, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i will move to which ever city monta ellis is traded to
Ah, True love!
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2008 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well...
i said that about j-rich, but i realized how much monta meant to me
by monta ellis on Jul 9, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
backup?
there’s no way we could trade for a starting point guard and run a lineup of
pg
ellis
jackson
maggette
biedrins
we’d be out rebounded by 20 and get outscored in the paint by 30 every night
by AJC3317 on Jul 9, 2008 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how much bigger does
harrington play than maggette?
standing in the corner shooting threes isn’t exactly bruising
by monta ellis on Jul 9, 2008 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
here’s no way we could trade for a starting point guard and run a lineup of (1player1,2,3,4,5)
The premise was trade Montay for Mayo so the starting line up would be Mayo, Jax, Maggette, Some big guy, some bigger guy.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 9, 2008 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who needs orthodox.
This is Nellie we’re talking about. And Mayo hasn’t done anything yet. Why trade our best player for Mayo just so we can pretend we’re orthodox.
by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is Nellie we’re talking about.
“Why trade our best player for Mayo just so we can pretend we’re orthodox.”
We’ve been thru this whole scenario years ago. After Nellie leaves we’re stuck with the ruins of our team. A non-nellie lineup will leave us with a chance to win after he leaves.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 10, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then...
We can deal with that after he leaves. You think trading away our best player will make us any better in the post-Nelson era? If we didn’t have Monta, then losing Baron would have been even more devastating. However, it does seem that we maybe able to use his salary to get three pretty good players.
by joestar on Jul 10, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 10, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im still waiting for the dream team...
arenas
ellis
davis
j-rich
jamison
by monta ellis on Jul 9, 2008 11:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but if we brought back matt barnes somebody would be getting flagrantly fouled. so it wouldnt be easy points
by Rach on Jul 9, 2008 11:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
You didn’t get he sarcasm. He said Barnes flagrantly fouled a person to prevent easy points, but that gets you FT’s and possession.
by joestar on Jul 10, 2008 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what does sarcasm has to with a team need?? thats all. :)
by brettt on Jul 10, 2008 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnes
should sign with the Raiders. They need a pass rusher.
by misterjennings on Jul 10, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"If we get a PG I would say this off-season was not as bad as it should've been."
What the heck is that supposed to mean? What a downer… or a doubter I should say.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 9, 2008 11:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This basically means...
that what most of the glass half empty W’s fans have been posting the past week, will all be invalid and silenced.
by joestar on Jul 9, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O ok TOUCHE MY FRIEND!
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 10, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And still no other source?
sounds like smoke but no fire to me.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 9, 2008 11:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was watching SportsCenter
last night, it was the 8 oclock I believe. Rick Bucher was running through the moves that have been made and said a little bit about each team. About the Warriors he said, don’t be surprised if their next move is to trade a draft pick to Memphis for one of their point guards. So he wasn’t saying it was going to happen for sure, he just thought that was a logical move, and maybe he had heard talk of it. He said because the Warriors have cap space they could trade a draft pick for a contract.
by Eggman on Jul 10, 2008 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that.
It’s a “rumor” created by ESPN, not some leaked info from a credible team source.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 10, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we lose Ellis....I AM GONNA KICK SOMEONES ASS!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jul 10, 2008 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
jump off a bridge
lose monta is suicide for gs hahaha
by japoyy on Jul 10, 2008 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Simmons trade proposal
Clipps lose out on J-Smoove and Okafor so-Clippers send Mobley and 2009 1st round draft pick from Minny to Warriors for Al Harrington. I’d jump on that deal in a heartbeat.
by sam23 on Jul 10, 2008 12:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if this is true...
...a big if, obviously…
I would be TOTALLY into it. It’s not that we’d be getting anyone amazing from the Grizz (it definitely wouldn’t be Mayo and almost definitely not Conley)... it’s that we wouldn’t be dumping Al for no reason.
If the plan is Monta at the point - which it should be, and seems to be - then we’re just looking for a backup-level guy. We really shouldn’t have to give up much for that. These guys are pretty fungible commodities… trading even a flawed sixth man like Al is giving up too much.
Al has his uses—as an offensive spark off the bench, as a versatile scorer during droughts, as an occasionally effective mismatch defender. We should be very willing to give him up, but we shouldn’t just give him up for nothing, ESPECIALLY when he’ll actually be a valuable chip in a year.
You could argue that a first-round pick is even more valuable than Al. For this team, I just don’t see that. We’ve got a shitload of youth as it stands, and if we pull a trade like this, we’ll have one young ‘un more than a shitload… no reason to keep stockpiling mid-first-round guys if we can’t even find room for ‘em. High picks are obviously quite valuable, but A) some amount of lottery protection is likely in any trade involving picks, and B) whatever this team is, it’s not one of the 6-8 worst in the NBA, so we don’t project to have a real goldmine draft position. I’d MUCH rather burn a future first on a young PG than Al Harringtion.
There’s only one negative to potentially hanging onto him, and that’s the possibility that Nellie continues to let Wright waste away on the bench. But even with Al, I think Wright will get some run this year. With Jack in the backcourt, there are a lot of 3/4/5 minutes to go around, and Wright could easily get 25 minutes a game spelling Al, Maggette and Biedrins, depending on matchups. He arguably shouldn’t be playing more than that yet, anyway.
This is probably all much ado about nothing, but I hope it isn’t. This would be a dynamite little move for us… I’d go so far as to say that it’d make this offseason a genuine success.
by onlxn on Jul 10, 2008 12:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
I don’t have a problem moving next years #1 for a player like Lowry/Crittenton. Let’s not kid ourselves, Mayo’s not going anywhere and Conley’s probably just as off limits. Can’t see the Grizz giving up on him so early unless GS takes back a bad contract (like Jaric…ugh).
Plus, another thread brought up a good point about Al’s (and Jack’s for that matter) contract. Teams trying to free up cap space for the 2010 FA class will be falling over themselves trying to acquire expirings. I think we can get more for him than a backup PG.
You may run like Hayes. but you hit like sh**!
by Orbit1099 on Jul 10, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i also think we can do better than a back up pg. i dont think we necessarily need to get a true pg more than we need to get a good basketball player. maybe we should be targeting talented players instead of a position players like a pg. in nellies style it doesnt matter what you play as long as you can play you will be on the floor. thats why al played 5 we al know al is really a 3 or 4 depending on your system. target the teams over or close to the luxury tax thats where we will get the most in return.
by Rach on Jul 10, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No....
We need a back up pg….
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 10, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moving Next Years #1
But make sure it’s Lottery Protected. The next time the DUBS make the playoffs, the Grizz can have our pick. Otherwise, it’s ours.
by Colorado Fan on Jul 10, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
portland has done a pretty good of building a good young team with a bunch of first round picks. stock piling picks and or young talent gives you options more than al would at 9mil. the reason for the throw in of a 1st rounder is mobley’s contract is at 8mil. pretty high for a 32yr old bench player.
by Rach on Jul 10, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point, and Portland has done an amazing job of acquiring assets over the past 2-3 years. But Portland is working off an entirely different business model than GS is. They’ve been able to buy multiple first rounders because Paul Allen is filthy filthy rich and lets Kevin Pritchard make deals that a majority of the league’s GMs do not have the luxury of.
And I think Al is still a valuable player to this years team. I don’t think Nelly’s ready to Wright major minutes quite yet.
You may run like Hayes. but you hit like sh**!
by Orbit1099 on Jul 10, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OJ for Ellis trade
This could potentially work out because we would be freeing up money to sign a pf. But I don’t think we could consider this until March-April. We would be able to judge things better and prepare for landing boozer
by dancingchiapet on Jul 10, 2008 1:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
go for skip or starbury
skip to my lou, nah its neva da shoes, it’s all about the starbury and1 to da nick and barry shoe
by azntigar78 on Jul 10, 2008 2:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Talk English
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 10, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
peace kid
Yo MJ i got og 1’s and Fresh 23’s, please won’t u return The city’s 23 back to where he need be. Release him back to da city where he was bread and butter on the dutch crunch roll, i’m callin yo bluff nigga hurry up and fold
by azntigar78 on Jul 10, 2008 2:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
staying on topic
First of all, there should be a linked reliable source.
Aside from that it, dealing with Memphis is the better than Orlando to trade with (AirFrance went there w/o a ST, so prolly no trade intentions).
With Memphis they have a plethora of pg which the Warriors could use one of. Ideally, it would be Critteon based on his potential, or even Conley based on the team’s FireSale tendancies. but ultimately we will have to pick up a horrid contract of either Walker or Jaric to match salaries.
Preferably, id take Jaric cause Walker in my opinion already past his time and just plain out of shape for Nelliball.
A huge trade with Memphis could look like this:
Al / Kosta / Pick FOR Critteon / Jaric / Brown
yes I said Brown, but he’s still young at 25 and could possibly be some sort of contributor.
-Go Beach!!
-Bring Back Sprewell!!
by F120man on Jul 10, 2008 2:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Like I wrote last week
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9322
I don’t just “suggest” out of the blue, my friends. Nothing close to being done, though.
by pree on Jul 10, 2008 3:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good call on lima
adriana lima > jessica alba!!
by Foulacy on Jul 10, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Critt...
He’s the only one that makes sense. The guy is loaded with talent and potential and has the look of a future superstar. Go watch him right now on youtube if you havn’t seen him play; he’s got amazing abilities.
Lets face it, we aren’t a playoff team looking for a solid pg to add depth to our bench and solidify our roster. If that were the case and we were the Spurs or Jazz then Lowry would be the one to target.
In reality, we are young and rebuilding and not expecting to arrive for at least 3-5 more years, if not longer. We must swing for the fences and go with the guy with the most potential and talent and that is easily Critt. We got lucky that O.J Mayo is now a Grizzly and Chris Wallace sucks at trading. Critt might be able to be had and if that is a case, we must do whatever we can to get him in a Warrior uniform (other than trading monta).
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 10, 2008 4:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crittenton has the potential to be our Franchise Pointguard
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 10, 2008 4:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has more potential
to sit on the bench after two straight 10 turnover games.
by cap'n hack on Jul 10, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youtube clips can make a whole lot of players look great. Mix in some highlight reels with some beats and “damn! did you see that!” At the NBA, all these guys have talent. I remember Foyle’s college highlight reel. It looked impressive. At the NBA level, many guys have abilities. The issue is getting these abilities to shine out regularly.
If we’re waiting 3-5 years, Critt might be good then. So might a lot of people. He also will have played out his rookie contract and have been three or four critical decision points away from acquisition. I don’t see him as the sort of special talent that one goes after. If he’s free, if he costs nothing more than swapping a second rounder or Belinelli, fine. If he’s throw in (like he was before) fine. Targetting him as a solution to the immediate problem of no backup point guard? Foolish.
by jae on Jul 10, 2008 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't trade Belinelli!
Belinelli has a pure shot I’m sure that he will prove himself this year with what kind of talent he really possesses… If you see his shooting mechanics he has great technique and I expect him to fill in where Pietrus & Barnes have been playing at the 2 or 3… well maybe not the 3 lol but still trust me Belinelli will be good next season a 12 ppg type player!
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 10, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
offense yes, defense no
bellinelli can definitely shoot the lights out, but hopefully what he worked on was his defense, because I think more than anything, that’s why Nellie couldn’t play him big minutes last season. I can’t count the number of times that he would get faked out on the perimeter and do the desperation reach around the player’s back hoping the poke the ball out move.
by Hac Man on Jul 10, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought nelleis philosophy
is good a defense is having a better offense. as long as you out score your man then you won that battle:)
by Rach on Jul 10, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Critt
Has nobody realized that the Grizz pretty much gave up Gasol to get him? I mean come on, I know there were picks and some other talent, but he was one of the cornerstones, right? If they think he is that good, they have to think they are going to keep him. Its going to be Jarik coming our way, face it. Trash talent for trash talent, let the Kwame Brown era begin!
by pinkycheal on Jul 10, 2008 6:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Grizz pretty much gave up Gasol to get Kwame Brown’s expiring contract and future picks. Crittenton was a throw in. He was one of three contracts that the Lakers had that made salaries work. I doubt it’s more complex than that. It’s very, very, very rare that mid to late first rounders are “cornerstones” in their first year after languishing on the bench most of the time and sucking like there’s no tomorrow to suck worse i when he gets playing time. This a year removed for a college career that wasn’t overly impressive. There’s no reason at all to believe that he was the “cornerstone” and far more reason to believe he was a “cap consideration”.. It was quite clear that they were more interested in cutting salary and moving Gasol than anything else.
by jae on Jul 10, 2008 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First year performances
I don’t inderstand why everyone is sooo caught up with the lack of performance by a player in their first year. It makes absolutely no sense to me. How many players didn’t do squat in the first year and we would love to have right now. Crit’s upside is great. We are talking “Chauncy Billups” great. Did Chanuncy perform is his first couple of years????? And he was given playing time unlike Crit is right now. Bah…I am just glad to hear they are dealing with the Grizz. Crit or Conley would definitley make this offseason better and have me looking forward to the season.
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 10, 2008 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you suggesting that we acquire Crittenton so we can be the third stop in the 4 places he’ll suck for more than 5 years before emerging as a player in Detroit? Billups’ case was not the norm. More often players who suck do not get substantially better like Billups did. Banking on that happen is taking a poor bet on long odds for a guy who was considered a middle ground prospect (yes, that’s what mid first rounders are, Billups, for what it’s worth, was picked #3 overall, not that this makes much difference after someone’s in the league). That’s a foolish way to build a team.
Here’s why you get “caught up” in a player’s performance: because even among first year players, what someone has done in the past is a reasonable predictor of what he’s likely to do in the future. Sure, some guys break through and most rookies improve. But the starting point with Crittenton doesn’t suggest he’s good odds to be a reliable backup, especially not next year. A team trying to convert a small off guard to a point guard without a true point on the roster to back him up is not an ideal fit for either player, unless by ideal you mean “longshot recipe more likely to result in failure than anything else.”
by jae on Jul 10, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt about it that ur bball knowledge is more than me jae. it just seems that for the warriors right now to be of any success for this or the coming years, they appear to be taking a lot chances on their present young players. why not take a chance on crit? young, cheap with a great upside. fits in perfectly doesn’t he. ROLL THE DICE i say!!!!!
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 10, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s not worth it though if we need to take on antoher bad contract.
by Rach on Jul 10, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
conley would be a great fit with the warriors
by monta101 on Jul 10, 2008 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Don’t get me wrong. He’s quick as heck, he can shoot the lights out, and distribute… but why specifically the Warriors? I don’t think he’s a great fit unless you want to move Monta, as a combo of Monta/Conley would get eaten alive on defense.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 10, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
no Lowry. No Flopping Fish v.1.2.
Give me Critt, no Lowry.
Memphis is not going to let go of Conley (not for cheap anyway). They’re hoping for that Conley, Mayo, Gay 1-2-3 punch.
by phiLthyphiL on Jul 10, 2008 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU
but I dont know about Critt…
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 10, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the love of god, no Crittenton
Let me preface this by saying I watched a ton of Javaris in college (he played with Thaddeus and I’m a hardcore draftnik) and a fair amount of his limited minutes thus far in the NBA.
He is NOT a good PG prospect. His passing is shaky and he tends to overplay/overdribble on the offensive end. Of course, his size is nice, but it’s not like he was a great defender in college or the pro’s (in limited minutes) with it. He did have some good games against good teams in college (13/11 and 5 TO’s vs. UNC), but he also shot an appallingly low % and had a terrible A/T ratio.
I really like Lowry for the right price, and of course Conley is a pipe dream but I’d love to have him.
by dprodigy19 on Jul 10, 2008 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Please get Crittenton on the Other Hand
I also have watched Crittenton a ton, if not more. A Duke student, I watched every game he played us (twice) and watched the games he played UNC, along with pieces of other games. This kid can be very good. Yes, he keeps the ball in his hands too much, but he is can score and get to the line. A lot. His passing is not “shaky”; it’s actually pretty good. You have to remember the teams he’s played on (Georgia Tech with only Thad Young as a rookie and Memphis after Gasol). It’s not like he has a lot of people to pass to. Put him on a team where he distributes to Ellis, Maggette, Jax, and the gang, and I guarantee his “shaky” passing improves.
by FHWANG007 on Jul 10, 2008 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yea
as a gatech student, i know what you mean. Javaris would fit well for the warriors though.
by t1andonlywall on Jul 10, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't leave out Mario West
I love that guy. What worries me about Crit isn’t so much his tools, is that I’ve never seen the light switch flick on for him.
It’s the exact same problem with a guy like Tyrus Thomas- they could absolutely be good, but it takes a leap of faith that they’ll get from A to B.
by dprodigy19 on Jul 10, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Javaris! JAvaris! JAvaris! Javaris!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Tyv6dE8QZw
^ I want the guy in that video ^
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ySkkeM9XYcQ&feature=related
Javaris vs THud/Pat Burke Last Year’s Summer League..LoL!!!^
http://youtube.com/watch?v=imxZirAHBsk&feature=related
Wow, What a Circus ^^
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 10, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
JAVARIS FTW
i know the grizzles arnt that stupid of a franchise to give up pau gasol for kwame and javaris. we all kno kwame is only good for defense but why would they take another point when they already had lowry and conley. CUZ HIS THAT DAMN GOOD WE NEEDA GET JAVARIS
by gswLLBatman on Jul 10, 2008 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
my roommates a die hard lakers fan and we lived in so cal so i had to watch all their damn games but he was a huge crittenton fan and in the many times i watched him coming off the bench he defintiely impressed me too
tall, big wingspan, good passer not any more shaky than most other young PGs, and good transition game which is what we’re all about on the warrrrriorrsss
by 3Kings650 on Jul 10, 2008 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
crittenton is going to be the real deal
I am a GT student, and I watched all his games. He is turnover-prone, but that is just because of the lack of experience. He can run a team, and he WAS our floor general at GT. He is a phenomenal athlete who has the power to drive on most anybody (ala Baron). I’d be very happy if the Warriors could land him. He also has a sweet J.
by thebaydestrian on Jul 10, 2008 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
same here
did you go to the games this year? they were terrible w/o javaris. cmon paul hewitt get us a good pg.
by t1andonlywall on Jul 10, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i did
we were terrible BECAUSE of that lack of a floor general at PG. That further supports my claim that Critt was THAT valuable to the GT team, and thus will be a solid NBA player. Hopefully, Shumpert turns out to be solid, although he is a 2. I hear he can shoot lights out though.
by thebaydestrian on Jul 10, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS
what year are you dude…not everyday I hear of a Warrior fan at GT.
I just finished my second year as an ISyE.
by thebaydestrian on Jul 10, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are the chances of trading for andrea bargnani?
win j-oneal and bosh in toronto it seems like the former number one pick is left out,
bargnani, bellinelli, and beidrins got me thinking about the euro warriors again!
by monta ellis on Jul 10, 2008 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lowry I'm guessing
Wasn’t Mulson on his nuts this past season? And when Memphis was talking to Minny about swapping picks predraft, wasn’t one of the sticking points for Memphis that they not give up Conley? It seems like Conley and Mayo are definitely not going anywhere anytime soon. So the question is Critt or Lowry? Time bring back Hardaway…
Rejoiced with each win
But whenever we lost
I walked to the bars
And got myself tossed
by mondris ellidrins on Jul 10, 2008 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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