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how the west was BRUTAL

i know i'm not telling anyone on here anything they don't know, but it's a long offseason and...have you really mapped out the west in your mind yet, like really team by team?

i guess i hadn't fully done it until tonight and man--this could be the toughest of many consecutive tough years in the bestern conference.

here's how it stacks up by my estimation, breaking the conference into three categories and ranking them 1-15:

IN:

 

Lakers

San Antonio

New Orleans

Utah

Houston

Dallas

Phoenix

 

BUBBLE:

 

Denver

Portland

Warriors

Clippers

 

OUT:

 

Memphis

Minnesota

Oklahoma City

Sacramento

 

at least two quality teams are gonna have to fall off for us to get in. injuries happen, and i'm not one to get pessemistic...but damn.

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how is

dallas a automatic in? if anything dallas is on the bubble.. jason kidd’s performance in the Olympics further showed me that he is now too afraid to try and score.

by saintdee on Aug 19, 2008 12:25 AM PDT   0 recs

ditto for phoenix

guys who have had injury problems are getting even older. a new coach is there and a new system is necessary, they don’t have the players for the old run and gun offense. i’d probably add portland to the ‘in’ section though.

dallas, phoenix, the warriors, and maybe denver should be fighting for the last two spots. toss the clips out, not a playoff team, they made a lot of interesting moves, that add up to at best a slight improvement, but probably just a lateral move and they weren’t good last year.

the west is worse this year, by a considerable amount. the lakers, jazz and hornets are the only teams i can see coming out of the conference. houston only got marginally better, and san antonio got worse due to being old. neither one of those teams is a threat to go to the finals. last year five teams had a real chance to win the whole thing (all the playoff teams except houston, dallas and denver). the west got worse, not better.

by cap'n hack on Aug 19, 2008 12:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ye

the east got way better

boston will be dominent still
cavs will be strong with lebron
detroit will still be strong they still have their core.
wizard will be back to full strength next year with arenas, jamison and butler
magic is the same
philly is way better with ebrand
raptors will be better now that there is no tj ford and the addition of Jermaine.

the final playoff spot is the only one i see up for grabs.

by saintdee on Aug 19, 2008 12:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

omg i totally forgot

the heat will get a playoff spot. Dwade is dominating. and marion is healed along with beasley. no playoff spot left for anyone else.

by saintdee on Aug 19, 2008 12:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

seems reasonable

i was trying to think of an eastern conference team that could oust any of the teams you mentioned and at this moment, cannot. i think that it will come down to the celtics and the cavs to win the conference.

advance warning: i am about to ramble on about how fantastic lebron james is for an extended period of time, please stop reading now if you are uninterested.

lebron is too good, i don’t see any team besides the celtics beating them and he could easily push them into the finals by sheer force of will. i’ve never seen a player just decide that his team will win the game and then go out and single-handedly beat the other team in the way lebron does, since mj. and he’s definitely the only player i can think of who, when someone says, “he could be better than jordan,” i have to agree. he needs to become a better defender and a develop a more consistent jumper and he’s there. neither one of those tasks is unreasonable. and who isn’t excited about his inevitable move to brooklyn to play for jay-z? it will be fun to see him in the first “brooklyn takeover” jersey.

gushing over lebron james completed.

it has taken a while, but i think we are starting to see the gap between the conferences get smaller, which is great news for the league.

by cap'n hack on Aug 19, 2008 1:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

DWade will get injured sometime this year

They may or may not make the playoffs. Though, if Beasley is close to the real deal they’ll probably make it with or without DWade.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 19, 2008 6:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about

Atlanta. They will still be good and I can see them coming up and stealing a spot from someone else in the east.

by clauser6422 on Aug 19, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

atl got worse

they loss their best bench player in Childress.

by NaturalBornBaller on Aug 19, 2008 2:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

bro

only the wizards, philly and raptors got better… boston can’t be better they can only be worse and detroit is slowly getting worse. i would say the east got deeper with those three teams improving but not “way better”

by Agent Zero on Aug 19, 2008 3:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Boston would be better...

Champions only stay up there by getting better. How do you think Tiger stays ahead of the rest?

But Boston lost Posey, and will have a shallower bench. But Rondo will be better, the team will be back almost as a whole, so they’ll know how to play together better, etc.

I just think the NBA is getting better. Anyways, go Warriors!

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 19, 2008 6:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

another year

of dwight howard and lebron james improving makes the magic and cavs better too. and the addition of mo williams should help the cavs as well. really, five teams should be better, detroit will get a little worse, boston treaded water, which is fine seeing as they were the nba champions, and miami will probably sneak into the last spot, if atlanta can’t hold it (and josh smith’s hatred of mike woodson might cause that all by itself). you’re right though, “way better” is a stretch, but ‘better’ seems about right.

by cap'n hack on Aug 19, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+10 but the clips and portland will NOT make it

Dallas and phoenix are in the bubble and I would go so far as to put the clips and portland in the out column. Why? the clips are trash…always have been. They lost maggs, EB, and livingston. Then aquired j-will, BD, and camby…wtf. j-will will not help them that much, camby is old and BD will be injured probably before the all star break. With portland, the only reason I see them moving up is because of 42 year old greg “old a$$” oden. I dont think he is that great and has yet to prove himself. He may have been drafted 1 in his class but should have crapped all over everyone in summer league yet he was a bust. But summer league means nothing? I hope he turns out to be an owlokandi (or however u spell his name) for our sake!!!

by Butt Secks on Aug 19, 2008 11:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if portland stays healthy they will make it, they added a lot of talented guys to a young team that finished .500, in a weakening west, they will make the playoffs. and the heading on your post implies that i thought the clips will make it too, and i specifically said that they would not. i agree with all of the points about why they are not good enough to get to the playoffs, but think that you forgot about how much they have pinned on ricky davis and eric gordon to do well. ricky davis is terrible and eric gordon never impressed me in college, why would he in the pros? the clips are looking at the eleven or twelve spot in my opinion.

by cap'n hack on Aug 20, 2008 1:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i wasnt trying to imply anything...

I agree with you (+10)….I was just making a statement about the clips. Ricky is not that good. I used to like the T-wolves when they had garnett and thought that when they brought ricky davis in, he would help them at least get into the 8th seed…well we know how that turned out. Ricky is not that great and I hear he is a locker room cancer. I dont know crap about eric gordon. If portland does stay healthy…they might make it…it just seems like they are banking on odon to take them to the next level right now and I just dont see that happening. Plus there was a blazers fan in my class last semester and all he could take about was stupid greg odon. irritating!

by Butt Secks on Aug 20, 2008 11:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Irritating fans of other teams

shouldn’t cloud your judgment about those teams. USA Today ranks Blazers to finish #5 in the league this year, behind Boston, L.A., Hornets, and Spurs. Oden will need some games to acclimate to the NBA, but trust me, he is going to destroy teams single-handedly this season. The Blazers will make the playoffs and do some damage.

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Aug 23, 2008 2:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Now Locked in - Now You Are Not

Lets break down each teams chances, shouldn’t we :

LA – future depends so much on Bynum that no one thinks about possible ego collisions between Bynum, Gasol and Bryant going forward. Gasol is soft inside and is going to be tired and more soft when he is back from China. This will put Bryant into burn up mode, like this year with all those injuries that they had.
By the season’s break I see LA sliding. Then those egos start churning again.
Bubble.

San Antonio – is getting very old. Manu is going to be taxed, and if he does not take break at the start of the season ( which he should ), San Antonio do not have any other bench scoring.
If Parker can maintain production they will get into bubble, otherwise they are lottery.

New Orleans. NO was a surprise last season, however I don’t think this year they will get anywhere as easy. SA last year proved that NO is short on scoring threats and lots of teams will learn from that. Posey has to learn how to create otherwise NO will really miss Pargo.
Bubble.

Utah. There is a reason why Jerry Sloan never won a championship ( Stern? :P ): He has his favorites and sticks to them so much that he can’t bring other guys into the mix as well. Sloan couldn’t maintain team mentality throughout playoffs, although that is his mantra. Eventually that gets old, so to the team he starts to appear out of touch with reality, which most of the time leads to tensions in locker-room and ultimately, poor records. Bubble-ishious.
If Kirilenko and Sloan won’t fight mid-season so they have to trade him, then maybe 7-8 spot.

Houston. I can’t judge that well about this, because I’m in love with Artest game so much, but all signs point that this is a lock-in. This is Tracy’s chance to go after it all, and he has matured. Yao is going to come back after Games like on steroids, hungry for wins. Rafer showed last year that he knows how to run point.
Playoffs Locked In, Division title.

Dallas. They needed a dead-eye shooter at SG, instead they got the opposite at PG and they got rid of their mid-range threat. Every team that plays them from now on will just play 5 on 4 defense. It is really hard to score against such defenses if you have a perimeter oriented team like Dallas.
Lottery.

Phoenix. Mr. Terry Porter is one of the best coaches in this league. He can make it work even without Shaq’s effort. But, If Shaq shows up mildly interested in the actual game for more than just press conference, Phoenix has a chance to make playoffs. Otherwise they are 2 defenders short. They will miss Marion more than ever when they are in mid-season.
Bubble, but only because Porter is a great coach.

Denver. Letting Camby go was a good move, because it opens up Denver offense. Some might argue that it opens up their defense even more, but I’m not sure if that is possible. In fact most blocks that Camby was getting were sort of baited freebies, not real defensive stops. It was so easy to score on Denver defense last couple of years that people were getting too anxious to score and forgot at times that there were defenders at all.
Lottery.

Portland. Do you think Greg will dunk more on Yao or on Dwight? He has all the potential to be most dominant center in the league, but first year is almost always the shakiest, he needs the playing time to develop. Good thing they have all the other pieces ready.
Playoff bound.

Clippers – have all the pieces to get into playoffs. They have Baron and they got his clone, Eric. I just have to briefly mention that Eric Gordon is a beast. Imagine any team with 2 BDs. How can they lose? Oh and they also happen to have Al Thornton, and they have a best backup PG in the league in Jason Williams.
Playoffs- Locked In, Championship in sight.

Memphis – J-Crit, OJ, Rudy, Hakim and M-Zol. Best lineup in the league? Not quite. But very close. Once OJ starts to string those 40+ point games together. Rudy is ready for Pippen role, and J-Crit been working on outside shot. I don’t think anyone can argue that Hakim is already a formidable rebounding force, and he has Arthur to back him up.
Playoffs Locked In.

Minnesota Realistically Al Jefferson learned how to play some defense by now. We will see some classic ball coming back to Minnesota with Al and Kevin inside-outside game with Gomez on the flank and Randy and Mike shooting threes in high percentage.
Bubble.

Oklahoma .. Lottery

Sacramento Sacramento is strong after Artest left as it opens up a number of opportunities for young players to shine. Because of Artest played so many minutes and had ball in his hands, Sac can really open up their game now and start running. But, they also dramatically improved their half-court game, by acquiring Jason Thompson. He will also help to lighten load on defensive end with his help defense.
In fact it may allow them to start Douby and let Beno come off the bench, where he is more comfortable without losing much playing time.
Playoffs Locked In.

and finally

Warriors Can we go really really small and trade seattle for their mascot? Or we could do 3 team swap of names: we become Supersonic Warriors, then there is Seattle Blizzard and then Golden State Oklahoma City.

Monta, Corey, Jack, TR, Beans – best offensive lineup in the league period. Every guy has 20+ ppg potential and 3 out 5 are very efficient at scoring. If you factor in the bench scoring, we will average 120 ppg next season. I don’t see how anyone is going to cope with that. And then we have Hendrix!
Playoffs Locked In, Championship In Sight.

thank you for reading
and good luck.

by farid on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 AM PDT   0 recs

You wasted a lot of typing...

For being so ridiculous.

Lakers, Spurs, Hornets, Jazz, Suns, Wolves on the bubble?

Warriors, Kings, Rockets, Clippers, Blazers, Grizzlies in the playoffs?

Mavs and Nuggets – Lottery?

So the Grizzlies are now better than the Lakers and the Wolves are in the same breath with the Spurs. Thank God unproven Terry Porter is great!!

by JoeBarelyCares on Aug 19, 2008 8:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Clippers?????

I’m sorry, but I think one could make the argument that the Clippers are one of the worst teams in the West. How are Kaman and Camby going to play on the same team? They are way too similar. Who gets to start? Camby was already upset about being traded to the Clippers and if he was relegated to being a backup center, I think he would throw a tantrum. I say they finish second to last in the conference, ahead of OKC.

by jenkembinge on Aug 19, 2008 8:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you serious?

So by your measure Warriors and Clippers will be the 2 best teams in the West… followed by Kings and Grizzlies? Best chance of Rubio, maybe…

I’m still trying to figure out who “M-Zol” is on Memphis’ dream lineup.

Eric Gordon is not another BD; that might be his best case scenario but he’s a long way from it today. I guess they are both a little chunky and they both like doing the little hop move before a 3.

by antihero on Aug 19, 2008 10:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think "M-Zol"

is Marc Gasol. Never heard it either. And No, Memphis is not even remotely close to having the best lineup in the league. In fact, they are amongst the worst. New Orleans and LA certainly aren’t bubble teams. They are probably the best 2 teams in the west.

And Sac a lock for the playoffs? I actually can’t believe I just read that.

by jenkembinge on Aug 19, 2008 11:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sacramento

  The Sacto paper is projecting the Kings in the cellar this year. What do you know that they don’t?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 19, 2008 9:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

BLAZERS are going to the playoffs, (Bayless, ROY, Aldrige, Oden)

Lakers
Hornets
Spurs
Rockets
Jazz
Blazers
Suns
Warriors
Who was close to us but didn’t make it : Dallas

Ronny Turiaf, the real face of the franchise.

by 61ixty on Aug 19, 2008 7:56 AM PDT   0 recs

Blazers??? Playoffs???

Of the 4 players you bubbled, 3 have long track records of being frail and injury prone (all 3 in college and as pros). And the 4 player is a unproven rookie, who has very good with Arizona last year, but was inconsistent at time throughout the college season. I think the Blazers have really gambled with the type of young players they’ve brought in. I see them being the same as last season a 9 to 10 range in the West, with the upside of sneaking into the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Aug 19, 2008 8:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My 08-09 West playoff predictions

Let’s assume that we can’t predict which team is going to have key player miss a significant amount of time this season. Therefore, if every team is healthy I see the West playoff raced ending in the following manner.

Locks (5): LA Lakers, Utah, Houston, San Antonio, New Orleans

Bubble (6):
Denver (depending on Nene at 5),
Dallas (Kidd’s decline and Dirk’s still shell shcoked from GSW series),
Phoenix (Nash and Shaq are another year old, new coach),
Golden State (NO BARON, huge roster change over),
LA Clippers, (No guarantee that Baron can make it 82+ games, huge roster change over),
Portland (injury prone core, young lacking experience in playoff race)

Would need a miracle (4):
Sacremento (rebuilding),
OKC (Bastards deserve to be the new Clippers of the NBA),
Memphis (rebuilding),
Minnesota (nearly rebuilt, but would need a miracle to be a bubble team).

In the end I see playoff being
LA Lakers
Utah
Houston
San Antonio
New Orleans
Phoenix
Denver
Golden State

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Aug 19, 2008 9:07 AM PDT   0 recs

You started by assuming all teams would be healthy

then you docked the Clips and Blazers for injuries. My take, in order of finish:

Playoff-bound:
     * Lakers
     * Hornets
     * Spurs
     * Blazers
     * Rockets
     * Jazz
     * Suns
     * Mavericks

Bubble:
     * Nuggets
     * Warriors
     * Clippers

Lottery:
     * Kings
     * T-Wolves
     * Grizzlies
     * OKC Rustlers

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Aug 23, 2008 2:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

...

Its going to be golden state, portland, and phoenix fighting it out for the last few playoff spots…
 
With Dallas on the outside looking in…and the clippers and nuggets not even close

by 3Kings650 on Aug 19, 2008 9:14 AM PDT   0 recs

(Rudy Fernandez"*)also

Ronny Turiaf, the real face of the franchise.

by 61ixty on Aug 19, 2008 9:19 AM PDT   0 recs

man...

…i am amazed by how many people are just ready to write teams like phoenix, dallas, denver and especially san antonio off. are they the dominant powers they once were—of course not. will they have to fight to get in—yes. is it possible one or more could miss—yes, possible.

in the case of san antonio, duncan has another year or two left in the tank. parker is coming into his prime. manu g. is getting older but also ain’t out of gas. as long as that core 3 is in place, this is a playoff team. they could slip a few seeds, but they’re in.

phoenix will be interesting. with a new coach and slightly tweaked system, it could take them a while to get rolling. and the wheels will fall off the nash wagon eventually. but don’t forget amare, an absolute beast who I predict could have an mvp season. shaq was a terrible signing, but i wouldn’t put it past him to miss half the season then come off the bench and contribute to a stretch run for the playoffs. bottom line: i’m not betting against the suns sneaking in this year.

with dallas, a lot will depend on kidd. we love to make fun of dirk around here but he’s still an all-star caliber player who can carry his team on any given night. i wouldn’t be shocked if dallas missed the cut, but if we’re COUNTING on this to happen just to sneak in, that’s rough.

denver also has some issues and like dallas i wouldn’t be blown away if they were a lottery team. but AI ain’t quite done yet and ‘melo will be riding an olympic gold high into the prime of his career. two top 20 superstar players and again this is the team we’re COUNTING on to miss the playoffs?

like i said…brutal.

you can talk all you want about the east getting better (and it has) but talent in the nba’s two conferences isn’t a zero-sum game; both can get better at the same time. yes, guys like brand shifted over, but guys like chris paul and brandan roy are a year older and better. anyone who says the west is anything but a gauntlet filled with slashing knives is delusional, and in for a rude awakening.

by theresthedub on Aug 19, 2008 9:52 AM PDT   0 recs

you just listed

all the reasons that the west got worse, then said it will still be hard. agreed. it’s not an easy conference, but anyone who just says “this is the reason this team will be worse, but they are still good,” and then claims that the conference got better is delusional, as you put it. let’s go through it.

san antonio- a playoff team, definitely, only the absurd post that had memphis locked into the playoffs and the clippers a championship team said that this was not the case, but they are worse this year, they’re older, and not very deep. i see the four seed for them, edging out houston for it.

phoenix- injury prone guys who got a year older and don’t really fit well together. this is a transitional phase for them, they are COUNTING on, nash’s back to stay in one piece, shaq to stay healthy and hill to put together a second straight year of respectable health. i see them as a playoff team, but barely, a 7 or 8 seed.

dallas- you said it yourself, a lot will depend on kidd. and as it turns out, kidd’s done. he was never a great shooter, but now he can’t run well or take his man off the dribble, because everyone just gives him four steps and says “i dare you to shoot the three.” if you have a point guard that teams won’t even pretend to guard, you have a huge issue. dirk is great, but can he carry a team with mediocre at best talent around him to the playoffs in a very good (but clearly worse than last year) western conference? i say probably not.

denver- they just traded away marcus camby, the only guy who cared about defense on the team to the clippers, for the right to trade second round picks. and they absolutely hate each other. i’ve said it a few times, but i think this could be the first team to have a one team bench clearing brawl in a game. melo needs to really step up if this team wants to make the playoffs, and i will count on them to miss them.

and no one is counting on all of these teams to miss the playoffs, unless you think that memphis and the clips are locks in the same way farid does. of the 8 spots i’d say that only lal, no, utah, sa, and hou, in that order are locks, with portland almost certainly making it as well, but valid points about their players injury history were raised, so i’ll acknowledge that they are not a lock. after that, the warriors should be fighting with dallas and phoenix and to a lesser extent denver, for the last two spots and i’d say that phoenix and the warriors should make it in.

by cap'n hack on Aug 19, 2008 10:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no...

…i listed ways that some of the former HUGE powerhouse teams have come down a notch, but remain almost sure bets to make the playoffs. i also said that other teams like the blazers and hornets will be better as their young superstars continue to develop. houston got better with the addition of artest. the lakers will be better with the return of bynum. utah is still a powerhouse, and williams may not have reached his full potential.

at the end of the day, it really doesn’t matter (from the warriors perspective) if the over all quality of the west has gotten slightly worse in terms of elite, championship-caliber teams. what matters is the number of teams who are likely to make the playoffs, and i would say that number has not gone down, and has arguably grown.

we’ve got a shot—i’m not trying to be a total downer here—but my point was just with all this drooling over how tough the east will be, top to bottom we’re still in a brutal conference.

by theresthedub on Aug 19, 2008 2:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

6 on down are all worse teams this year (not counting portland)

that does not make it harder to make the playoffs out west. the reason that there are more teams with a chance is that the teams that made the playoffs (on the lower end) got much worse. if phoenix, dallas and denver were going to have the same records as last year, the warriors and other bubble teams would be out, no question. but they all got worse. a lot worse. i just don’t see the argument that the playoffs will be harder to reach this year. it is still a good conference, i’m not saying it isn’t, but just saying that the best five teams are locks (which is all you did) does not mean that the bubble is stronger. if you want to say that the championship calliber teams are fewer in number, but the bubble is better, don’t only talk about the teams you deem championship calliber, the argument just doesn’t follow. please, before you talk about how much better new orleans will be, explain to me why phoenix and dallas are locks, then we might at least be having the same discussion.

by cap'n hack on Aug 20, 2008 12:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i

definatley have to disagree with you about memphis not being on bubble or in the playoff. i personaly am a huge OJ MAYO fan and him, gay, Warrick, conley , darrel arthur. i think they could make a little noise in the east

by cjwatson23 on Aug 19, 2008 11:04 AM PDT   0 recs

To bad they're in the West

Memphis is in perhaps the toughest conference in the NBA (West’s Southwest Conference) with Dallas, NO, SA and Houston all on there schedule 4 times each. However they my move the East if Stern could be convinced to move OKC to the Southwest, Memphis to the East (Central Conference) and Milwaukee to the Northwest (and rename it the North Conference).

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Aug 19, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No one on that list

has proven anything in this league yet except for Gay. I don’t see what the big deal about oj mayo is either. He just seems like a chucker and will probably end up somewhere along the lines of a ben gordon.

by dajrichshow on Aug 19, 2008 11:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

. He just seems like a chucker and will probably end up somewhere along the lines of a ben gordon.

  And will take at least three years to get that far.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 19, 2008 1:47 PM PDT   0 recs

i have been watching OJ since freshman year.

He is damn good. I think he is ready for the nba. He wil definatley prove some haters wrong with his skills. His body type is good he is large. he could gain more muscle he is kind of skinny. He shots well. his ball handling is great. his defensive is good when he wants it to be. and most important he has great confidence and he knows he could be a great NBA player.
 he will be way better than just a ben gordon.

He would have complimented monta so well

and i apoligize i meant to right west not east*****

by cjwatson23 on Aug 19, 2008 3:55 PM PDT   0 recs

OJ Mayo

Honestly I didn’t watch a lot of OJ Mayo in college, but I did watch his summer league play. In the summer league, he didn’t show very many of the positives you described. Good shooting= 40% FG, Good ball handling= 4.8 TOs/game, Good defense= 4 fouls a game. Yes, I know it’s just SL, but if he really is as great as you say he is, he should have easily dominated the relatively weak competition.

by dajrichshow on Aug 19, 2008 5:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and

phoenix is getting old. I think in a couple years they wont be a realt big contendor.

the only decent person they have is amare

by cjwatson23 on Aug 19, 2008 3:57 PM PDT   0 recs

San Antonio

Spurs suck, there is no way they would have been nba champions if it wernt for Stern.The leagues on their ass cause they have so many internationally players on their team and people from all over the world are big fans of them!

Top 4:
Rockets
Lakers
Hornets
Jazz

Bottom 4:
Warriors
Clippers
Blazers
Spurs(For the reason i stated above)

Nuggets,Mavericks, and Suns will fight for a spot but i dont think they will make it the Nuggets are probally going to be the worst defensive team in the league next year. The Mavericks we can already see they are dying after they traded for Jason Kidd, and for the Suns new coach, getting older, and Shaq = no playoffs.

I know some people arn’t going to agree with me but these are just my opinions.

by OneandOnly on Aug 19, 2008 8:29 PM PDT   0 recs

give me at least one reason

that the clippers will make the playoffs. i just don’t see them as any good. camby and baron do not improve the team nearly enough after losing brand. they needed a huge improvement to be a playoff team, and got a marginal improvement at best.

by cap'n hack on Aug 20, 2008 12:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Spurs do not suck.

Have you even watched a game of theirs in the past 3 years? Stern is definitely not “on their ass” because Ime Udoka has 20 fans in Nigeria. I just got back from China (the biggest international market in the world) and boy, they are all over Kobe’s junk there.

by antihero on Aug 20, 2008 5:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There's only 4

Only 4 locks to make the playoffs in the west, barring hella injuries or some shit.
Locks:
Lakers
Hornets
Jazz
Rockets

Then there are 7 teams fighting for the last 4
Bubble:
Warriors
Spurs
Suns
Nuggets
Blazers
Mavericks
Clippers
 
I would guess the standings may go like this, but who’s to say, the West is crazy:
1.Houston
2.Lakers
3.Jazz
4.Hornets
5.Suns
6.Spurs
7.Warriors
8.Blazers

I put the Hornets lower because i feel losing Pargo is going to cost them big time, its going to force Paul to log more minutes overall, and you lose his production. However the Hornets can still win the conference. The Suns are ahead of the Spurs because I have a hunch that this is now a team built to play a style like Porters and not D’Antoni’s. Nash will have even more opportunity to be slow and methodical, plus Shaq can actually play and help at that pace. But there is a good chance they dont make it at all. And the Spurs are older again and they seem to only be themselves in the playoffs, getting there may be a challenge. Utah could also sink lower than the 3 spot f’sho. They are a good team but they seem to go through mental relapses or something and can get thrown off their game for large portions of the season. Plus they were horrible on the road. Dubz and Blazers round it out because if you look at the other 3 teams besides them (Clipps, Nuggs, Mavs) they both have the best all around game. Barring injuries to both they should get in and even have the shot at being seeded higher. I really am excited and I must admit I have pretty high expectations for them, but if they mesh like they should, this team will be better than last year. The 53 that everyone is trying to get is not out of the question. They aimed for 50 and came up with 48, if they go for 53 and come up with 50 or 51 they’re in as at least a 6.

by droppin gsw _knowledge south bay style on Aug 20, 2008 10:51 AM PDT   0 recs

Sure can tell its the off season

Other than NO, SA, LAL and Utah, its all going to be a crap shoot to see what other 4 teams can make the playoffs. Thank God we can watch the season progress and not have to depend on this blog for results on wins and losses.

Memphis a lock into the Playoffs? Gimmie what your smoking cause it must be really good!

I can’t wait for the season to start so a lot of these quazi pointless diaries will disapear.

by gabezgsw on Aug 20, 2008 12:51 PM PDT   0 recs

nah u got some teams mixed up

dallas has been goin down hill since the warriors destroyed em first round so there no doubt in my mind their gonna slip. the nuggets lost one of their best rebounders and the only guy that actually played defense in camby so i htink their gonna drop. nash and shaq at phoenix can only do so much now plus after all these years running and gunning and then a brand new coach that takes over is gonna take time to get used to so i think their gonna drop some spots. so i think at least the warriors should get the 8th seed this year

by gswLLBatman on Aug 20, 2008 3:13 PM PDT   0 recs

yoouuuuuuuuuuuuu

will all see. OJ will prove you all wronggggggggggggggggg.

but the warriors will dominate memphis mahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

by cjwatson23 on Aug 20, 2008 8:37 PM PDT   0 recs

extending wordssssssssssssss

make the statementttttttttttttttttt even moreeeeeeeeeeeeee absurddddddddddddd.

by cap'n hack on Aug 20, 2008 8:46 PM PDT   0 recs

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Aug 23, 2008 3:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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