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Which Lineup Is Best?

There are many different lineups the warriors could use this season but which one will be most effective. I believe it depends on the rotation also but the lineup would be very important considering Coach Nelson's crafty substitutions and defensive alignments.

I believe there are five different successful or creative lineups that we can use this season.

Lineup # 1

PG Monta  SG Kellena Azubuike SF Stephen/Maggette PF Maggette/Stephen C Beans

Lineup # 2

Pg Monta SG Azubuike SF Maggette PF Stephen C Harrington

Lineup # 3

PG Monta SG Stephen SF Maggette PF Harrington C Beans

Lineup # 4

PG Marcus W  SG Monta SF Maggette PF Stephen C Biedrins

Lineup # 5

PG Monta Sg Stephen SF maggette PF turiaf C biedrins

Vote which one is best. my personal favorite is lineup number 1.  considering nelson will probably use all of these lineups which is best for consistent use. they all have many strengths and have some weaknesses. that is why i think this post is very intriguing to me.

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Which lineup is best?
Lineup # 1
26 votes
lineup # 2
3 votes
lineup # 3
204 votes
lineup # 4
29 votes
lineup # 5
60 votes

322 votes | Poll has closed

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i’d go

pg monta
sg mags
sf jax
pf al/turiaf/wright any of the three depending on situatioin and matchup
c beans

jax cant play pf he gets raped.

by saintdee on Aug 20, 2008 3:06 PM PDT   0 recs

i agree

thats what i would do too… but i wouldn’t say that he would get raped i would say we could go with a lineup like 1 once in a while

by Agent Zero on Aug 21, 2008 12:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LINEUP #3 or the same thing but take out Al and put in Mr. America.
In other news Donyell Marshell got waived by OKC.
Former Warrior Waived

Ronny Turiaf, the real face of the franchise.

by 61ixty on Aug 20, 2008 3:12 PM PDT   0 recs

ummmmm donyell is washed up

and is basically limited to corner threes. hmmmm why would i play that over harrington or branden wright….
i’d feel better with kellenna playing the 4 over donyell

by montadaboss on Aug 20, 2008 8:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Different situations

Projected Starters:

Monta/Azibuke or Maggette/Jackson/Harrinton/Biedrins

(I think that Nelly will start his proven SG, Azibuike, but who knows)

Small Ball:

Marcus/Monta/Jackson/Maggette, (pretty much where Pietrus was)/Harriington

Good against teams like the Rockets with Yao, or the Suns, to wear them down. Harrington has proven that he can guard bic C’s on the mismatch.

Stick Crew:

Monta/Jackson/Randolph/Wright/Beidrins

Will look like a bunch of big toothpicks!

Shooter squad:

Monta/Beli/Morrow/Jackson/Harrington
(Damn thats a scary defensive liability, but imagine the possibilities)

Big Bangers:

Monta/Azibuike/Maggette/Hendrix/Turiaf

Putting in Hendrix and Turiaf wouldn’t allow for much offense inside, but it would solve that rebounding problem.

Thinking about the possible lineups made me realize how deep of a bench they have. Nelly’s gonna have fun with all the possible matchups.

We are the future of basketball. Dub Love.

by danielholl on Aug 20, 2008 3:12 PM PDT   0 recs

LOL

“i think nelly will start his proven sg Azabuike”

hahaha why in the hell would he do that when he has his captain and 20 point scorer and the 50 million dollar free agent who scored over 20 last year who both can play SG

by Agent Zero on Aug 21, 2008 12:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree

I think Harrington wont get any time at center, that’s why we have Turiaf now. AL doesn’t and can’t play there, unless there are injuries. Brandon Wright may also get starts from Nellie here and there, the organization is high on his game, plus he’s a good defender and rebounder. I also don’t see Maggette or Jack playing much 4. Unless Wright and Hendrix suck, probably wont see Hendrix. May see Bellineli and AR during injury/garbage time, unless Randolph is really bomb, could be a regular. Beli could play point if williams and watson are bad.

by droppin gsw _knowledge south bay style on Aug 21, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

jackson cant play power forward, no matter how “small” of a lineup we’re trying to play.

Option #3 is what Nelson has said will be his lineup. It also makes the most sense. every player on that lineup is playing their natural position, except for Monta but he played PG in high school and will prove everyone wrong wit his PG play this year

by 3Kings650 on Aug 20, 2008 3:12 PM PDT   0 recs

Funny that Jackson

can’t play PF, when Nelly would play Peitrus and Barnes at the 4, and Jackson has better defensive prowess. He’s just better against guys like Kobe and Kevin Martin who play on the perimeter.

We are the future of basketball. Dub Love.

by danielholl on Aug 20, 2008 3:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Barnes and Pietrus are much, much better rebounders than Jax.

by jae on Aug 21, 2008 9:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jack played PF,

when J rich was here.

Ronny Turiaf, the real face of the franchise.

by 61ixty on Aug 20, 2008 3:18 PM PDT   0 recs

yeah i mean of course hes played it

and can obviously play it again, but itd be a waste of our young talent to play jax at PF… especially when we got guys like wright, randolph, and hendrix to develop…not to mention our new backup Turiaf, whos only 25 and about to play in his 4th year, which should mean that hes yet to reach his peak as a player

by 3Kings650 on Aug 20, 2008 4:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no way

azubuike starts

by boomdizzleness on Aug 20, 2008 3:25 PM PDT   0 recs

thank you

finally someone who is not a complete idiot

by Agent Zero on Aug 21, 2008 12:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lineup #5

Ellis / Maggette / Jackson / Turiaf / Biedrins

That’s one of the better defensive/rebounding teams we can put on the floor. Ellis at SG is a defensive nightmare. Jackson at PF is a rebounding nightmare. Harrington anywhere in the starting lineup hurts both our rebounding and defense.

Ellis, Maggette, and Jackson are still a fierce and diverse offensive trio, and would be more than enough to carry the offense.

Adding in Harrington or Azubuike into the starting lineup would just limit the touches for our better offensive players. Harrington and Azubuike would be better to carry the offense off the bench.

by YaHeard on Aug 20, 2008 4:25 PM PDT   0 recs

whats up with all this azubuike love?

Seriously these posts the last few days on several threads have all these people down on their hands and knees praying for the second coming of Kelenna Azuibuike. There is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION for him to start for us. Period. He played a nice little role for us the last 2 seasons, but he hasn’t done a damn thing yet to deserve to start over Maggs, Jackson, or Harrignton. His time will come this year since he is clearly one of our veteran role players coming off the bench, but the 6 games he played for us last season while stack jack was out didn’t make me think, "Wow, this guy here is a real starter

/rant off. I like number 3, but I would rather go with option 5 as our starting lineup. Between Jack, Ellis, and Magg, we should have plenty of scoring in our starting 5. Othere then Kelenna, we don’t have any real proven scorers coming off the bench and I think Harrington will give us a spark. What we really need is rebounding and defensive precense in the post to help out Bean’s and Turiaf can do that.

by kyzah on Aug 20, 2008 7:43 PM PDT   0 recs

THANK YOU

another person who is not a complete idiot

by Agent Zero on Aug 21, 2008 12:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Line #4

I just can’t justify the thought of Monta playin point.
he is too quick. Marcus Williams plays the running point well and i’d much rather see monta run the lane and finish than see him wait back for an outlet pass. He needs to use his speed to beat defenders down court on a fast break

by jimmycaps on Aug 20, 2008 7:51 PM PDT   0 recs

chris paul

seems to be doing alright as a fast guy at point guard. i don’t see why speed is a problem for monta when he runs the point. wouldn’t you rather have a guy who can outrun his defender than someone who can’t?

by cap'n hack on Aug 20, 2008 7:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

why do people think these are permanent lineups

i was saying which lineup would you want on most nights. i am not saying this is our starting five all the time because nelson will always be doin mismathing some nights. but for all azubuike haters i believe he had 2 30 point games in the 6 games he played in and played well when he had solid minutes and and was not injured. and why wouldnt stephen be able to play pf next to biedrins….he did it when we beat the mavericks. and he also did shut down the mvp in dirk so your argument isnt justified. when we play good rebounding teams like utah we will play with lineup 3 or 5.

by montadaboss on Aug 20, 2008 8:33 PM PDT   0 recs

lol

and nobody wants your lineup on most nights

by Agent Zero on Aug 21, 2008 12:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

#3.

I really think people always think the worst of Harrington on this board. He came out blazing in the beginning of the season before he was forced into a three point specialist role. If Nelson allows him to play his game instead of specializing, I think that could be just as effective as stretching the defense.

by belilaugh on Aug 20, 2008 9:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Buike

is 6’5" and has proven that he can really work in Nelly’s system. He could guard the best SG’s, (he shut down Kobe), and if you think that D isn’t a factor look at how dominating the Redeem Team is because of their defense and energy. Also in good games, it was not unusual for Buike to score past 20 and grab 7 or 8 boards. Why are people tearing him down?

I have no doubt that Maggette will get a lot of PT. He could also be a very great 6th man bringing energy and leadership off of the bench. And even though Nelson says he will start Maggette, you never know with that crazy old man. He will probably not figure his lineup until gamenight vs. the Hornets. He hasn’t even seen Maggette in training camp yet.

We are the future of basketball. Dub Love.

by danielholl on Aug 20, 2008 9:17 PM PDT   0 recs

i totally agree

his critisism is unjust and i think they are not true warrior fans or havent watched too many games. he is probably our second best rebounder, 2nd best man to man defender, and one of our best 3 point shooters

by montadaboss on Aug 20, 2008 10:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not true warrior fans

What a joke, get off your high horse. I have nothing but love for Buike, but apparently if you don’t bend over and roll out the red carpet for everyone in a warriors uniform, your not a “true warrior fan”. I’ve watched plenty of Warrior’s games, I just choose to remember the bad ones along with the good ones. Has Buike has a couple all star games? Absolutely he has. Has he had a few D-League games, yes and quite more then the good ones. Other then the 2 30+ games, I can’t think of 1 other game in the 82 game schedule last season where Buike played any better then a ROLE PLAYER, and on some nights he was a no show all together. Theres no question he was one of our best off the bench, but thats in the light of the fact that we had a very weak bench.

In short, to say he has earned starter minutes based on last season over Maggette or Jackson, is quite frankly insulting. (And no, despite what people are thinking, Jackson won’t and shouldn’t play the 4 on a consistent basis, and neither should Maggette, its a ridiculous waste of our talent and not beneficial from a “matchup” standpoint against the powerful forwards in the west).

by kyzah on Aug 20, 2008 10:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

nice

basically summed up everything i was thinking

by Agent Zero on Aug 21, 2008 12:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Um.

Who were you replying to again? I didn’t see and high horses or claims that anyone wasn’t a “true fan” in Daniel Holl’s post. I did see a few posts calling anyone who thinks Azubuike could start an idiot.

There are really two questions:

1. Is it possible Nellie will start Azubuike?
2. Is it possible Azubuike will deserve to start?

Personally, I think the answer to both of these is yes. More likely he won’t start, but unless Marco and/or Rudolph blossom, I could totally see him getting 25-30 minutes a night as the sixth man. He’s one of seven guys on the team (with Turiaf, Maggette, AB, Monta, TMNT and Jack) without any real question marks. We know he can play and not embarrass himself against NBA wings. That’s something.

Don't mess with ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 21, 2008 4:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree

“1. Is it possible Nellie will start Azubuike?”

Other then that, I’m in total agreement with everything else you said sleepy freud, and if you read the post above mine, you’ll see who i was replying too. My point isn’t that Buike can’t start for us, my point is he hasn’t earned it yet, especially considering who he is going to be competing against. His resume isn’t that big yet. Plus if you read my 1st post here, you’ll see I came to a similiar conclusion as you, which was

His time will come this year since he is clearly one of our veteran role players coming off the bench

Oh, and I was replying to the poster montadaboss who had the nerve to claim, people who don’t see Buike as better then our other swingmen (Jackson, Maggette. or Harrington) weren’t true warrior fans or didn’t watch any games, look above me to see. I never said Buike didn’t have talent, I said he didn’t have more then his counterparts.

by kyzah on Aug 21, 2008 7:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One thing is for sure

Nellie is a mad scientist when it comes to juggling the roster. Last year he only tried, let’s see, TWENTY THREE different starting lineups!
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2008_start.html
And that was Nellie not tinkering as much as the year before when he played THIRTY FIVE different starting lineups:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2007_start.html

Basically, I agree with kyzah that Buike should be a role player on this team. Maybe even the 6th man, but probably more like 7th or 8th. Will Nellie start him at some point? Probably. He started 17 games last year. But Nellie doesn’t always start the 5 best or most deserving players, especially if he’s trying to motivate a guy like Harrington by bringing him off the bench.

Another interesting stat is that last year there were 8 lineups that yielded net positive +/- numbers over the course of the season, and three of those included Buike:
http://www.82games.com/0708/0708GSW2.HTM
(all 8 included Ellis, 7 included Baron, and 6 included Beans)

Azubuike individually was a net -8 for the season, as compared to SJax who was a net +206 for the season:
http://www.82games.com/0708/0708GSW1.HTM

by EternalWarriorsOptimist on Aug 21, 2008 9:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and buike played with the backups and stephen or monta were out

and azubuike started all 7 games when stephen was out and this is when we lost all those games so he really didnt have much playing time after that as monta and baron did to make up for that so when we have 1 or 2 of our best players out for 10 minutes when azubuike plays i’m sure the other team will be doing better and outscore us not really fair to azubuike. and are you saying watson and croshere provided more than azubuike this season…..

by montadaboss on Aug 21, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+/- numbers

Don’t get me wrong – I’m actually not that big of a fan of +/- numbers. I think they’re interesting, but you have to take them in context. Just because Watson and old man ‘Cro had higher +/- than Buike doesn’t mean they’re automatically better and more important to the franchise. They played way less minutes and in less important (garbage time) situations than Buike. You also make a good point about the first 7 games of last season affecting Azubuike’s overall numbers.

To be clear, my point is that Kelenna should be the 6th, 7th or 8th man for this team, but may end up starting some games because Nellie is the mad scientist of NBA coaches.

by EternalWarriorsOptimist on Aug 21, 2008 5:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i like lineups #3 and #5

i voted for #5
-most likely #3 will play more minutes but seems that Biedrins started to develop his 12 feet jumper because here is Turiaf -another guy who can fight for rebs inside

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Aug 20, 2008 11:32 PM PDT   0 recs

None of the Above?

I’d take #3, but switch Mags to the SG and SJax to the SF.

Regardless, I really like our bench of Williams for Monta, Beli/Buike for Mags, Randolph for SJax, Wright for Al and Turiaf/Kosta for Andris.

Where’s Morrow fit in?

by gabezgsw on Aug 21, 2008 11:06 AM PDT   0 recs

why would you switch

those two players? those are the primary and natural positions for each of the players……they definitely can both play the two positions but why not play them at their best spot

by 3Kings650 on Aug 22, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the original question

see, the answer will almost surely change during the course of the season. but to start, i dont think that any lineup other than #3 would be a smart one. all of the other ones you have mentioned is based on choosing a player based on potential or what we think he can do for the dubz. to begin the season, #3 has to be the starting 5, because we KNOW what they can do, as starters. in my opinion, the only other lineup that has a chance at being the starting 5 is #1, but is contingent upon azubuike having a very good preseason (which is possible) or harrington have a pretty bad one (which i think will NOT happen).

by Run Dubz on Aug 21, 2008 2:01 PM PDT   0 recs

5 over 3

Its going to be either 5 or 3… but it comes down to the fact that the Warriors biggest need is defense and rebounding and it is clear that Turiaf fills that need better than Harrington or than having Jackson/Maggette at the 4.

by marzorg on Aug 21, 2008 6:37 PM PDT   0 recs

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