2009 Draft
So long as we're all stuck in the purgatory of mid-summer hypothesizing, I was wondering what you fellow NBA junkies thought of next year's draft.
2009 is shaping up to be very interesting, and I'd like it to be different than the blasé 9-15 picks that we are eternally damned with (every year we seem good enough to play our way out of both the lottery and the playoffs).
I'd like to treat this in two ways:
1. Assume that the Warriors will battle their way to above .500 and end up with a 13-22 pick (playoffs pending). This puts us in the same horrible position that we have been in the past few years. At this position, all of the marquee players at each position are gone. Faced with the prospect of, once again, picking "talent/ upside", would it be most expeditious to package the pick in a trade this year considering that our "talent" is being choked on the bench? We may also want to free up cap/ roster space down the line to be able to sign FA's in '09 and '10, or to reup on the youngsters in '11. I for one, don't want to see many more projects, I'm starting to like some of ours and I want the see them get a chance.
2. Heaven help us if the Warriors' road heavy early schedule takes its toll and the W's end up 10 under .500 at the break. At this point Nelly will either take an early vacation to Hawaii, or just goes ultra reverse crazy Nelly and let the youngins play. I can see it now, Ant. Randolph the point forward doing ally oops to Bwright, and CJ and Buike runnin the break, giving each around 20 minutes a game. Belinelli too, i guess, but ill-advised threes are tiresome. I, for one, would welcome this strategy not only because it would be fun to witness the unearthing of the hidden gems of talent in our secluded young stars, but, if we tank hard enough, we would have a shot at a lottery pick or maybe another pick at about 5-10. Considering that this would make nearly all players available, who do you want to see?
Ricky Rubio (PG), Demar Derozan (SG/SF), Blake Griffen (C), branden jennings (PG), tyler hans (PF), jrue holliday (PGSG), james harden (SG), BJ Mullens (C), Tyreke Evans (SG)
Or, more importantly, what is your draft strategy?
Our most pressing need over the last few years has been the same: a big man at the 4, or 5 that can rebound and score (from outside = a Nelly + ). We've ended up with O'Bryant, Perovic, BWright, Hendrix, A-Randolph (kinda). The Skinnies have all the talent and none of the ability to play yet. The bigger guys probably peaked when they were Juniors in high school and yet are considered more 'NBA ready'. So, do you pick the best talent available, the best player where you need the most help such as- best PF, do we go for the future of our guard positions and find Monta a high flying running mate, who could hopefully shoot the three, or even a franchise PG to allow Monta to do what he do +1 ?
Personally, it's been fun imagining Rubio throwin those oops on the W's. But a big bruiser would be nice too.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Avoid tunnel vision
The most pressing need for most teams most of the time is a big man. There aren’t as many of them that are worth a damn if for no other reason than that there are fewer people that tall. There are many, many more guys 6-3 who have athletic ability than there are guys 6-11 with comparable abilities. As a result, some rather marginal “talent” wind up as stand-ins for legitimate NBA centers.
It almost never works to pick for need. A) That need is almost always a big and there’s just not many of them and B) targeting particular positions narrows down the available good options.
It also rarely works to pick a guy solely on athletic ability, hoping that the “potential” overcomes obvious holes in his game. If someone doesn’t show some real ability to produce, it’s unlikely (not impossible, but unlikely) that this will somehow change in the NBA.
[And no, I’m not even close to saying that athletic ability isn’t important. It’s incredibly important. But the phenom athlete who has problems with his game usually wind up as busts while many of the still-very-good-athletes with more polished games wind up helping, sometimes quite a bunch.]
The best available player is almost always the best pick. Duplicates a position of strength? Fine. Two point guards can work (see the KJ/Kidd Suns), you can always squeeze in another 2/3 swingman and if you’re lucky enough to have a good big, two is even better. It’s sure better to have the problem of too many guys who can play at a position than to have yet another bench warmer who will wear size XXXXXL sweats (for the Bakersfield Jam, no less).
by jae on Aug 22, 2008 7:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
Ricky Rubio will be in 2010 or later, not next year, but he is definitely an interesting prospect.
by dajrichshow on Aug 22, 2008 7:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
international players are ok to join so long as they are 18 and have played in a pro league.. i think.
Whether or not he believes he is ready is another question.
so good it hurts
by NaturalBornBaller on Aug 22, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
NBAdraft.net projects him going #2 in 2010.
by dajrichshow on Aug 22, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
draftexpress.com has him at #1 in 2009. Your comment doesn’t dispute that he is in fact eligible in 2009.
so good it hurts
by NaturalBornBaller on Aug 22, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a question
of whether he will be eligible or not, but more if he will come over next year or not. This article http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/basketball/news?slug=aw-rubiospain081508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
says his family has decided to hold him back until 2010. But hey what do I know? I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
by dajrichshow on Aug 23, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New NBA Eligibility Rules
- All drafted players must be at least 19 years old during the calendar year of the draft.
- Any player who is not an “international player”, as defined in the CBA, must be at least one year removed from the graduation of his high school class
so good it hurts
by NaturalBornBaller on Aug 22, 2008 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabeet
Yea!
The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!
by ballin on Aug 22, 2008 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Way too early to tell...
But I will have a firsthand look at Holiday so I will definitely be keeping tabs on him.
by baybruin415 on Aug 23, 2008 12:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No Ricky!!!!! He is too young, too slow, can not shoot and is nothing more than the next great white hype!
Till I go pee
Live life at KMart
Foot in mouth chasin me
by Skeptic Con Urquel on Aug 23, 2008 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Blake Griffen
he is a great low post threat with nice mid range and muscle down low. a faster more athletic, bigger boozer. He is the perfect nelson center but would be a better fit at the 4. Imagine this.
Monta
Maggs/Buike
JAx/Randolph
Griffen/Wright
Biedrins
by montadaboss on Aug 23, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WE SHOULD DRAFT
the person who averages 25pts 10rebs and has range lmao!
by Foulacy on Aug 23, 2008 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2009 Draft?
Is this what all the people with no life do? worry about the next years draft before we’ve even played the season and got our draft position? :>)
I don’t want to even know their names till they are signed and trained to be NBA ready. Might as well just call them skinny young boy 1, raw rook 2, lots of bullshit potential 3, big,tall,clumsy guy 4, etc.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 23, 2008 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For once I completely agree with you.
by joestar on Aug 24, 2008 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you! and Ricky Rubio? He is nowhere near ready to play in this league.
Till I go pee
Live life at KMart
Foot in mouth chasin me
by Skeptic Con Urquel on Aug 24, 2008 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you miss the olympics?
he’s 17 and he more than held his own out there.
by sam23 on Aug 25, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
from what i’ve seen in the olympics rubio hasn’t developed enough offensive weapons. he’s a great passer, but other then that i havent seen any desire to score from him at all. this link s a pretty solid article by tim kawakami.
by lowchi on Aug 24, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rubio looks Good Based on the System
Spain plays zone which does not expose his weaknesses and he has two sold international big men to work with. Didn’t Navarro looks dominating against the US last night? But what did he do in the NBA that was “special”. He will be similar to Jason Williams – a lot of sizzle but no steak. Give me a veteran point guard or basically a “can’t miss” rookie (i.e. Chris Paul).
by terryteagle on Aug 24, 2008 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I watched last night.
And Navarro was instant offense. Which he was in Memphis also. He could shoot the 3pt shot, hit his free throws and has that beautiful looking running-floater. He wasn’t that bad in the NBA, and to see him do well against the USA National team isn’t a surprise.
As for Rubio, he’s not ready to come to the NBA, and probably won’t be ready even in 2010. He definitely has the looks of a playmaker. But I didn’t see him getting to the lane as much as Navarro or Rudy Fernandez were doing. I don’t know if he’ll ever get that ability. He’s also not a great shooter yet—though he didn’t shoot much.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Aug 24, 2008 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's why he'll have to get in in '09
That way, some idiot GM won’t have seen anything about him execpt the buzz… OMG Rubio is available at #10? We gotta grab him!
I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 25, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless this season looks to send this team into a high lottery pick I think it should be traded away.
We have a lot of guys to develop, adding another another piece just forces the door to revolve from someone this team is working with right now.
There’s someone at each position under 22.
Unless Randolph/Wright/Biedrins/Azubuike/Belinelli or any combination thereof is traded I think there’s no need for another project.
by so ill so d0pe on Aug 24, 2008 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We should always hedge our bets by:
Bringing in another young talent with potential, thus if the first one fails we have something to fall back on.
or
Bringing in a veteran with a known skill set, thus if the young talent fails we have something to fall back on.
I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 25, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
James Harden
Marcus Williams, just watch. This SIG won't be deleted till Warriors make the playoffs.
by AKA JustPlainOldDubsFan on Aug 25, 2008 7:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Check the sig.
Anyways I would want Jennings next. I am not sold on Rubio yet, his athleticism and explosiveness and shooting range are very questionable right now. His vision and IQ however is astounding.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on Aug 27, 2008 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Mills!!!
Check this out here’s Austriala’s highlights against team USA. Serval of them are Mills. At the 30 sec mark you can see him blow by Kidd and on the next highlight zoom around LeBron. At the 3:25 mark he does a Baron esque dripple jabb step into a fade away jumper on Deron Williams. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5zfDNT4A8Y&feature=related
Here a pre-Olympic Aussie profile of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tRLRvWUtI4
The draftexpress.com profile is here: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Patrick-Mills-1362/
"Mills, 6-0 , Freshman, Point Guard, St. Mary’s 15.5 points, 2.1 rebounds, 4.1 assists, 2.4 turnovers, 44% FG, 34% 3P, 92% FT
Basketball Australia – Jonathan Givony
Somewhat lost in the sea of outstanding performances in this excellent class of NCAA freshman has been the play of St. Mary’s point guard Patrick Mills. The Australian teenager has led his team to a top 25 AP poll ranking, producing at a high rate and showing terrific poise and maturity in the process. Having spent three years at the world renowned Australian Institute of Sports, Mills has terrific fundamentals that are helping him make the transition to college basketball much easier.
Mills is a small and skinny point guard with long arms and good athletic ability. He is very fast in the open floor, but is not very capable of finishing above the rim. Mills relies on his outstanding skill-set and natural basketball instincts to get the job done, and is doing so incredibly well so far early on in the season, especially when considering his age
Mills’ best source of production at the moment comes from his terrific stroke from the perimeter. He has excellent shooting mechanics, with NBA plus range on his jumper, and is able to elevate nicely off the floor to create separation and get his shot off. He creates shots for himself in the mid-range area as well, and has no problem pulling up off the dribble if given just a glimpse of daylight. In an early season game we took in pitting St. Mary’s against Oregon, Mills showed his credentials as both an outstanding shooter and scorer by knocking down back to back to back 3-pointers on consecutive possessions, all in pull-up fashion, and all from NBA range. It was an impressive scoring barrage to say the least.
As a point guard, Mills looks very natural with the ball in his hands, clearly possessing natural leadership skills as well as the aggressive mentality needed to want to be a go-to guy for his team. He’s an unselfish player, looking very good making the simple pass to cutters going to the rim, or a post-entry lob to his talented big men (Omar Samhan and Diamon Simpson), and being a very quick decision maker, particularly in transition. He does a very good job pushing the ball up the floor, which is exactly the way St. Mary’s wants to play from what we can tell early on. He’s extremely clever for a player his age, already showing the ability to bait referees into making calls and the fortitude to take a team on his back when they need him to.
On the downside, he seems to have a tendency to hold the ball a little too much at times in the half-court, and at times will display questionable shot-selection. We must keep in mind that we’re talking about a freshman point guard here, meaning he should improve on these things as he gains more experience.
As a slasher, Mills can get to the rim using either hand, but clearly looks more comfortable looking for shots outside of the paint if he has the option to do so. Part of that has to do with his below average size, part with his struggles finishing at the rim (strength related), and partially due to the fact that he’s just not always strong enough to create separation from his defenders and beat the opposing big men rotating over before he reaches the basket.
Defensively, Mills does a very good job despite his lack of size and bulk. His outstanding wingspan helps him out greatly in this area, as does the toughness and tenacity he brings to the floor. He is willing to step in and take a charge when needed, and really does an excellent job getting in the passing lanes to come up with steals—looking very instinctive in the process.
All in all, Mills does not look like a prototypical early-entry type point guard, but he does have all the makings of an outstanding college player. To give himself a chance to really emerge as a draftable prospect by the time he’s done at St. Mary’s, he must endear himself to NBA executives through production and wins, rather than relying on his upside or natural physical tools. He’s a player to keep an eye on both in the WCC as well as internationally playing with the Australian National Team—which he already joined and made an excellent impact for this summer in an important Olympic Qualifying tournament against New Zealand."
I was quite impressed with how Mills played against Team USA. Plus he’s playing in our own back yard over at St. Mary’s. No doubt I’m going to trek over there to see him school the WCC this season.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
by mcwalter44 on Aug 28, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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