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Jackson Really Worth the Money?

I dont know about jackson. I mean all he's been doing these days is shooting threes like crazy and doesnt drive or even shoot midrange. Not to mention he has attitude problems. Giving him an extension would kind of be a waste of money considering that hes 30 and thats close to the age of baron and the warriors didnt give him a new contract. in a article i read in the newspaper it said that he was looking for longterm security so he might want a longterm extension. Maybe keeping Al and Jackson for this year would be good but next season either we should trade them or dip into the 09 or 2010 free agency sweepstakes and drop them. If we drop them in 09 we still wouldn't have a bad lineup maybe buike could start playing shooting guard or maybe bellinelli. It would also go with the warriors young vive.

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i would rather have Stephen Jackson for 5 years then Corey Maggette.

Ronny Turiaf, the real face of the franchise.

by 61ixty on Aug 23, 2008 9:25 AM PDT   1 recs

So true...

I’d take a 75% Stephen Jackson over Corey Maggette at full strength.

by Mr. Monday Night on Aug 24, 2008 6:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In a few years

if somehow… we come close to contending for an actual championship, we will need Jackson. He is the perfect complement to a championship contender; defense, 3’s, clutch, passing ability, leadership, and a RING.

by antihero on Aug 26, 2008 2:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hm

jackson is our best player, best defender, easily most clutch player…the guy that hasn’t been worth his paycheck since the ’07 playoffs has been harring-eex.

by steelekord on Aug 23, 2008 10:37 AM PDT   0 recs

A good thought

It’s definitely something to think about. This season will show us whether or not Jackson should be part of this young, up and coming Warriors team for the future years. We are going to watch this team begin to mesh, and if Jackson works hard, plays D (all the time), doesn’t fire too many 3’s, and most importantly brings “Wins” to Dubs, then sign him long term. I still really think this newly built Warriors team is underrated, and has potential to make some real noise in the West… if…. big boys like Jackson and Monta lead well by example.

As for Harrington, don’t sign him for more than 5 mill a year. Like him from 3, that’s about it. There are quite a few 6 or 7 mill a year guys I would rather have than Harrington.

by Gurthy on Aug 23, 2008 11:09 AM PDT   0 recs

people dont realize if most players in the nba take as many shots as he does

from 3 and the field they would score more than 20 points a game. not too efficient

by montadaboss on Aug 23, 2008 11:15 AM PDT   0 recs

He does hit clutch shots though

even though it isn’t till there’s a 20 pt defecit.

here’s the link:

http://www.contracostatimes.com/warriors/ci_10280076?nclick_check=1

We are the future of basketball. Dub Love.

by danielholl on Aug 23, 2008 11:18 AM PDT   0 recs

I Luv Jackson

How can you say he’s not worht the money. He’s the energy now that Barnes is gone, he’s the leader now that Baron is gone, he’s Captain Jack for Christ sake!

Jackson ’09

The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!

by ballin on Aug 23, 2008 11:37 AM PDT   0 recs

+1

Official Jax ’09 Movement

by BobbyLeeHurt on Aug 23, 2008 11:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jackson's usefullness depends all on Randolphs development imo

I believe, and correct me if im wrong, but we have Jackson on contract for 2 more seasons. By then we should be able to guage just how much Ranolph could give us, plus we will go through probably at least 1, if not 2 more lotteries by then. Depending on all those circumstances, it’s a little more then likely especially given the contracts we have now for the next 5 years, (maggette, Beans, and monta) that Jackson will be walking.

by kyzah on Aug 23, 2008 11:50 AM PDT   0 recs

jackson good, but not worth an extension

He wants to be the highest paid player on the team. Is he worth more than Monta? No. Is he worth more than Biedrins? No. I’m sure Mullin would love to keep him around, but if he doesn’t change his attitude, then he could be gone soon. Signing him for 5 years and $50 mil would be ok for now, but nto a good decision in the long run. If Williams shows he can play point, don’t be surprised if the W’s move Monta back to SG, Maggette to SF, and trade Jackson.

by ERock386 on Aug 23, 2008 12:31 PM PDT   0 recs

no erock

if you give him 5 years and 50 million you are adding on to the 2 years he has left meaning you nat to be paying jax 12 million when hes 37

by montadaboss on Aug 23, 2008 1:00 PM PDT   0 recs

Jax Forever

I hope Jax stays a warrior until he retires, they better not let him go, he’s got the most heart on this team and that’s what Mullin should try to build this team around, HEART, I hope that even after Jax retires he remains with the Warriors for a coaching position.

by Monta08 on Aug 23, 2008 1:09 PM PDT   0 recs

I love Jack the Person...

But for every game he has won for us being clutch, he has lost another one by letting our lead slip away in close games while throwing up threes while being triple teamed. Another reason he is ‘clutch’ is because he doesn’t always play a complete game. He’ll have a horrible first three quarters and then hit a few consecutive threes in the fourth. That isn’ the kinda of clutch that gets you a championship. Jerry West would not to pleased to hear clutch thrown around as it has been. When Jack dribbles into the lane there are a series of problems. Firstly, he dribbles up to his neck making him more prone to turn the ball over. He also can’t finish like Kobe but drives into the lane as if he can. That being said I do agree with Monta08. He has heart and has really come into his own with the warriros. Although you can’t exactly quantify the amount of ‘heart’ one contributes, it is clear that what Jackson is bringning to the table is having a very positive effect on the team. No if Nellie would pull jackson when he was getting out of hand and start acting like a coach instead of a chaperone, we will be better off

by Axel Foyle on Aug 23, 2008 1:41 PM PDT   0 recs

+1

i think we should trade him. his attitude and his ability are already on the down slide.

be the change you wish to see in the world.

by Rach on Aug 23, 2008 8:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There should be a compromise......

We need Jackson. He’s the heart of this team now, he’s experienced and calm in clutch situations and, a leader. That cannot be overlooked IMO.

by Hayward's Finest on Aug 23, 2008 3:55 PM PDT   0 recs

peace out

action jackson. Don’t let the door hits you on the way out. haha He isn’t worth money he asking. And he isn’t our leader or heart and soul. He should stops being the team star player because he isn’t one. He is a walking turnover bounds to happen whenever he is handling the balls. All he does is bomb away 3’s. Monta is our leader now. Well, looks like we it going to some playoff-less season ahead of us.

by warriorfan4life on Aug 23, 2008 5:35 PM PDT   0 recs

being the heart and soul

and being the “star player” are different. jack might not be the most talented guy on the team, but he’s the most respected and he’s the leader out there. i don’t get why you’d want to push him out.

by cap'n hack on Aug 24, 2008 3:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

shit

he will push himself when the team starts losing. What will he going to do after that. Ask for a trade to another team.

by warriorfan4life on Aug 24, 2008 1:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We need stack!

What I think some fail to realize is the intangibles that he brings. He is a mentally tough and experienced veteran that can help lead this young group of guys during games, practice and off the court. Yes he shoots threes and YES he does drive, but I dont think he is very good at it sometimes. I admit that I get frustrated when he tries to go one on one and dribbles the ball off of his foot, looses it, and yells at the ref while ball is headed back the other way. Even still, only one person has mentioned his defense. He is definitely one of the better lock down defenders in the league and on a highly offensive team such as ours, we need a little defense when teams try to slow us down in the half court.

I dont know how much money he is asking for (nobody mentioned it) but I would definitely not overpay him. I say we keep him tho….I mean come on!…7 3’s in a row to put dallas away. That was magical!

by Butt Secks on Aug 23, 2008 10:25 PM PDT   0 recs

his 3's are ridiculous

I think Jackson is a good player but if monta becomes a good leader, get him out. Personally I like Maggette a lot more. I would much rather have a SG who is a defensive specialist and less money per year, maybe in the 5 million range. My ideal balance of things would be this, note the players we don’t have:

PG: Monta (offense-oriented)
SG: Defensive Specialist
SF: Maggette (good offense + defense)
PF: All-Star Caliber Player (good offense + defense)
C: Biedrins (focus on defense and rebounds)

Bench: a 3pt shooter/wings/backup post player/pg

by dancingchiapet on Aug 23, 2008 11:40 PM PDT   0 recs

You guys who think he isn;t worth the money are either stupid or do not undestand the game.

He does the little things. He has toughness, gives our team a swagger. He plays D. He is the heart and soul of our team. Give him whatever it takes to kepp him here. He is perfect for our youth and there is only one CAPTAIN JACK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Till I go pee
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Foot in mouth chasin me

by Skeptic Con Urquel on Aug 24, 2008 7:14 AM PDT   1 recs

+1... If you don't like Captain Jack

Than f*ck off. As wild as the man is he is the warriors… Let em retire Here…. He’s the only veteran on the team and the man…

"Get Er Dun!"

by YayArea510 on Aug 24, 2008 12:04 PM PDT   0 recs

can you imagine

how many folks thought similarly about JRich?

by hardcore on Aug 26, 2008 9:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

for my money

and allegiance, JRich was “the man” and face of my franchise more than Jax will ever be

by hardcore on Aug 26, 2008 10:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I Just Remember the Game in Sacramento and LA

Where he hit critical deep threes to win those games. But his d is where he makes his money. Down the stretch last year he lost his defensive edge and turned over the ball. He looked like he hit a wall. If we win over 40 game and he is a primary factor, then you have to consider resigning him. But if we are losing and he is playing well, trade him at the trade deadline to a contender and squeeze all the value you can out of him.

by terryteagle on Aug 24, 2008 2:20 PM PDT   0 recs

Jackson is our only leader on the floor

Captain Jack and Monta are the two best players on our roster, without any doubt, but Jackson IS our team leader. He can hit clutch shots, he plays D and the man runs like a gazelle down the court. I dont mind losing Baron, but if we lose Captain Jack then this season is lost.

Do what it takes to keep Jackson and his leadership in a Warriors jersey.

by I miss J-Rich on Aug 26, 2008 8:59 AM PDT   0 recs

Jackson's Extention

The NBPA (National Basketball Players Association) which is the players union has the follow link for how extensions work: http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_7.php

I think it is important to bring this up when discussing Captain Jack’s extension/play raise. The way I read it we have to offer at least 2 addition all years to his current contract.

“:(iii) Subject to the rules set forth in this Section 7(a), a Contract may be extended following the non-exercise of an Option by a player or Team only if:
            (A) The extended term covers a minimum of two (2) Seasons (excluding any new Option Year); and
            (B) The player’s Regular Salary, Likely Bonuses and Unlikely Bonuses in the first Salary Cap Year covered by the extended term are no less than the Regular Salary, Likely Bonuses and Unlikely Bonuses, respectively, that the player would have received for such Salary Cap Year had the Option been exercised.”

The Warriors have Jackson under contract through the 09-10 season, therefore they’d have to extend him through the 11-12 season at the very least. If that’s the case, they’re probably talking about a 4 year deal at around $48 to $50 million range. That would put him 12 to 13 million per season. For all that he does both on and off the court I think that Jackson is worth the extra 5 million for the next two season and the addition 26 million for additional two years. It’s not like we’re talking Davis type money at 15 to 18 million per season.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Aug 26, 2008 11:21 AM PDT   1 recs

I love this post!

I for one think that Jackson is worth an extension. He is the veteran leader of this group of youngsters. Thankfully, he’s a very vocal leader who has championship experience and who conceivably has the respect of his peers here on the Warriors. He not only takes pressure shots, he calls out the defensive assignments and makes it possible for Monta to run the point as he is an extremely gifted ball handler who can pass, which takes some of the pressure off of Monta to be the sole playmaker.

I don’t know why everyone undervalue’s Jackson? Maggette got $50… he sure as HELL isn’t worth what Jackson is worth to this team. Jackson deserves every penny!

by Mr. Monday Night on Aug 26, 2008 12:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sigh...
For all that he does both on and off the court I think that Jackson is worth the extra 5 million for the next two season and the addition 26 million for additional two years.

The Warriors pay Jackson to perform on the court, not off the court. He’s also signed through the next two years, so it’s only a 2 year extension. That salary is ridiculous for what Jackson brings to the table, that’s LeBron money. Maybe if he were 3 inches taller, had 6 more inches on each arm, could shoot over 35% from beyond the arc, or grab 5 rebounds… if he can do all that I say sign him up, otherwise, no thank you.

I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 27, 2008 6:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LeBron $$$

Are you crazy? LeBron is schedule to make 14 million this season, 15 and 17 million in the follow two seasons. I’ve suggested that Captain Jack be brought up to the 12 million dollar range and stay around 13 million for the subsequent season. In no way is that LeBron money, considering that LeBron took less so that he could opt out in his 17 million dollar year 10-11.

Here are the top salaries that Hoopshype has accounted for:
1. Kevin Garnett Boston $24,750,000
2. Stephon Marbury New York $21,937,500
-. Allen Iverson Denver $21,937,500
4. Jason Kidd Dallas $21,372,000
5. Jermaine O’Neal Toronto $21,352,500
6. Kobe Bryant LA Lakers $21,262,500
7. Tracy McGrady Houston $21,126,874
8. Tim Duncan San Antonio $20,598,703
9. Shaquille O’Neal Phoenix $20,000,000
10. Steve Francis Portland / Houston $19,814,480
11. Dirk Nowitzki Dallas $18,077,904
-. Paul Pierce Boston $18,077,904
-. Shawn Marion Phoenix $17,180,000
14. Ray Allen Boston $17,388,430
15. Rashard Lewis Orlando $17,238,000
16. Michael Redd Milwaukee $15,780,000
17. Mike Bibby Atlanta $15,225,000
18. Andrei Kirilenko Utah $15,080,312
-. Pau Gasol LA Lakers $15,080,312
20. Yao Ming Houston $15,070,550
-. Amare Stoudemire Phoenix $15,070,550
22. Zach Randolph New York $14,666,666
23. Lamar Odom LA Lakers $14,559,000
24. Ben Wallace Cleveland $14,500,000
-. Gilbert Arenas Washington $14,500,000
26. Chris Bosh Toronto $14,410,581
-. Dwyane Wade Miami $14,410,581
-. Carmelo Anthony Denver $14,410,581
-. LeBron James Cleveland $14,410,581

If you look at this list I think is shows that Jack is quite undervalued at 7.5 million this season. Considering that he’s been a solider player for the Warriors both on and off the court I believe they should at least consider a modest extension. Hence my suggestion of 50 million for 4 years. It probably won’t happen, but I wouldn’t mind if it did.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Aug 27, 2008 8:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

gotta love

that stephon marbury is sitting in the two spot on this list. in fact 3 of the top 5 are absurdly overpaid. not just 4 or 5 spots too high, but are making about 4 or 5 times what they ought to.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 27, 2008 9:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Warriors are set to pay him $15M the next two years

If you extend him past that for a total of $50M for 4 years, that’s $35M/2 years, that’s more than LeBron money. Is Jack undervalued? Yes. But that’s how you win basketball games in the NBA, you have to balance your overvalued assets with undervalued assets. Does Jack deserve more than his 7.5M? Yeah, but he certainly didn’t when he signed the contract.

The NBA is a business. You don’t just give a player extra money because you’re being nice. You do it because you have to. The Warriors have NO obligation to Stephen Jackson, just like he has no obligation to the Warriors. If he wants to take bad shots to hurt the team for “slighting” him, fine… he won’t win any brownie points when looking for his contract elsewhere. He knows this, the Warriors know this. Why, exactly, are the Warriors going to just give him extra money? Money they don’t have because they’re already up against the lux tax threshold.

I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 27, 2008 9:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And if you're suggesting 4 years extra on top of the 2 he's already playing...

He’s already 30. Do you really want to be paying a 36 year old Stephen Jackson 14M at the end of that contract?

I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 27, 2008 9:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No that is not what I'm suggesting

When you offer an extension you can renegotiate the years that he’s currently under contract for. I’m suggesting that we give him a 5 million dollar bump for 08-09 and 09-10 and then 26 million over the next two years (mandated by the extension rules I cited in an earlier thread on this post). There is no way he’s making Lebron $$$.

Furthermore, Lebron signed a sweet deal for the CAVS in order to make mega bucks in 10-11. The way his contract is structured he can opt out of a 17 million piece of a 4 year $60 million dollar deal. The cavs essentially got him for 3 year 43 million.

“LeBron James chose a shorter $60 million 3-year deal with an option for a 4th year. But why is that? Well the NBA collective bargaining agreement stated that a player with less than seven years experience can earn only 25% of the salary cap. So his contract will end by 2010 and he’s a 7-year pro then, making him eligible to negotiate a maximum contract worth 30% of the salary cap (pretty cool).” – http://www.lebronrulez.com/lebron-james-contract-extension.html

Even though he could have signed a 5 year 80 million dollar deal which ESPN report that he had signed on July 9th 2006 – http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2513416

It’s the same deal that Wade turned down but Melo signed – http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2517602

Point is, that Lebron is underpaid relative to his value. So is Jackson. Should Jackson make 14 million a season, maybe, maybe not. But I don’t see why we’d pay Maggette 10 and not bump Jackson up, unless Mullen and Co are concerned as Dubs in Boston is about Jackson’s age. Then Maggette’s injury history didn’t scare them off of him.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Aug 27, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Two problems with that

1. Why on earth would the front office think “Hey, you know what, we’re not giving Stephen Jackson enough money, let’s remedy that”?

2. Where are we going to find the CAP ROOM to do that even if they wanted.

You have a lot to learn about the world.

I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 27, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

emotion vs reason

Jax & Maggs have some comparable numbers – both had big years last year averaging over 20 ppg, 4-5 rpg, 2-4 apg, ect. Both are comparable size, and even age.

On top of that Jax has been a good soldier these past seasons, seemingly rising above his fracases in the past.

So, it’d be fair to give Jax a similar deal, right? Right?

No.

Maggs had the good fortune to be an UFA this summer, Jax had the “misfortune” to sign a (then) lucrative deal which has two years to run yet. As mentioned above, supply & demand. Maggs maximized, Jax didn’t. And he got into trouble off he court along the way. Sorry Jax. But that’s not peanuts you’re playing for either.

Think of it this way, if we weren’t gonna over pay Baron why would we now overpay to extend Jax?

Adding Jax was the “cost” of unloading Dunleavy and Murphy on Indy. That his contract had less time to run than theirs was part of the advantage to us of making that deal, now you want to extend him beyond the next two years? Would his performance be worth it?

Jax career numbers of 15 ppg, 3.5 rpg, and 3 apg are more likely the barometers to measure an extension against than his numbers last year – would you pay that much for a mid-30s wing on a hopeful playoff team?

Would Nelson’s successor get as much out of Jax? Would the next coach be as patient with him? After Nelson presumably leaves, Jax has one more year under contract – an attractive situation – under a new coach he’d be playing for his next contract with vigor. Under an extension he’d have less motivation to go along with the new regime.

We’re gonna miss Baron, we hope Ellis becomes the face of the franchise, but we don’t need to cave into Jackson out of emotion right now. That would be a step away from the contract rationality that Mullin has been showing toward MP, Barnes, and even Nelson last offseason, and Baron this offseason.

Extending Jax would “feel good” now perhaps, but be a poor decision down the road.

by hardcore on Aug 26, 2008 10:17 PM PDT   0 recs

+1

very well said

be the change you wish to see in the world.

by Rach on Aug 27, 2008 7:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point

It would be similar to the J-Rich resigning, which way over paid him. That said, I think a contract around 12 million would satisfy both parties. If it could be a renegotiation rather than the mandated additional 2 years for an extension then I think we have a different story, because we couldn’t be debating the additional years. I’m in camp for extending him because he’s been a durable player, who can hit big shots, play defense and from time to time carry a team on his back.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Aug 27, 2008 8:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Please dont be harsh on the comments these is only my first post

 Are you a chick? if not begging for mercy will only get you ridicule.
     Jax is our only real experienced winner, these young guys need him for direction. Magette is not a leader, mags is more of a “get mine” type of guy. Steven is the type who’ll go into the stands to help a team mate, that attitude is worth top dollar when building a winning team.
      I think jae said Jax could be extended at this point in his contract so I’d bump him up to ellis and dris pay for two additional years, he is certainly as usefull as those two pups.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 27, 2008 10:19 AM PDT   0 recs

bump him up to ellis and dris pay for two additional years

that create a significant impediment to adding players going into their prime while Jax is in the most expensive two years of that contract

by hardcore on Aug 27, 2008 8:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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