Sources: Warriors' Ellis is out at least 3 months because of ankle injury
by dong4ce on Aug 27, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
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UGH! BAD. LUCK.
Was really anticipating this season too, but hopefully with his injury history he can recover quickly.
The Golden State Warriors won't have Baron Davis or Monta Ellis in their starting lineup on opening night.
In the latest blow during a difficult summer for Golden State, ESPN.com has learned that Ellis -- just awarded one of the biggest pay raises in league history -- will be sidelined at least three months, possibly four, after suffering a severe high ankle sprain in his hometown of Jackson, Miss.
Ellis was scheduled to undergo surgery on his left ankle in Alabama on Wednesday, according to team sources, after he informed the club late last week that he had injured himself working out. More specifics about how Ellis sustained the injury were not immediately available.
Rest of it in the link.
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The Sky has fallen
We’re sunk. Where was he working out? Did he keep the injury a secret? Monta should be in Oakland, working out under the tutelage of Smart or someone. This sucks, big time as I was psyched to see young Monta respond to the challenge and dominate the league playing the point. Damn.
"We're Menudo," -BB
by eshock on Aug 27, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here comes the...
“Our seasons over” rants!
… oh, and “Worst day ever… tell me I’m dreaming comments!”
Get better M.E.!
by Tony.psd on Aug 27, 2008 11:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yeah Tony
Everything’s fine. why bother having a blog? Who needs Monta when we got Marcus, right.
"We're Menudo," -BB
by eshock on Aug 27, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm... I didn't say that
This is where everyone’s emotions come out- of course there welcome to read… they fun, entertaining and interesting!
by Tony.psd on Aug 27, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, i missed the senitment
there are few things more devestating to this team than losing monta like this. i’m wailing.
"We're Menudo," -BB
by eshock on Aug 28, 2008 4:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well one can say
This was going to be an intresting year anyway. This was going to see how well Monta adapted to playing the 1 even though he is a pure 2. We know that he was talented with Baron here but he (Monta) wasn’t our almight savior. He had to show us this year if he could win the game in clutch time…. That was Baron & Jack last year so he had to prove himself worthy of the $11 Mil A Year Contract becasue everything else in his career went off Baron. We all hope that he would put up similar numbers like last year but nothing was ever etched and in stone. Now that we have Marcus, we can see what happens from there… And hopefully he will indeed do well but we are mistaking ourselves if we really thought we were going to be in the playoffs this year. Honestly we weren’t in the picture and this makes it a little easier to see how this year will go but we can hope that Marcus, AR, Hendrix, Belli, & Wright can deem themselves worthy of being on a roster or not. We should be able to tell something by the time Monta comes back about the rest of the team but when Monta comes back we have to see how he adapts to being the big star in the spotlight….
"Get Er Dun!"
by YayArea510 on Aug 28, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Tim Hudson now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by nuttinbutnet on Aug 27, 2008 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean Troy Hudson AKA Thud Bunny?
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Aug 27, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think TIM Hudson would probably be just as good.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 27, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL....LOL
mah bad. i meant troy but tim would be as good also….lol. GOOD ONE.
by nuttinbutnet on Aug 27, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a burn...
Assuming he misses November, that would be 17 games. On the bright side I feel like we do have a deeper team than last year. Im excited to see if Marcus Williams is going to step up. I think he can definately strive in the Nelly offense. Will this be a blessing in disguise? Oh well, I wish Monta and healthy and fast recovery. I’m somewhat in the same boat, besides the fact that I dont get paid to play basketball. I tore my ACL couple months ago and had surgery 4 weeks ago. Surgery is definately not going to be fun for the young gun.
by krazybalr on Aug 27, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Williams heres your chance.
CJ watson heres ur chance too.
It’ll only be that much sweeter when Mona comes back.
by saintdee on Aug 27, 2008 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Get better Monta
Severe ankle sprains can suck but he should recover.
What’s the surgery for…?
Good luck everyone, Monta should be okay. It’s bad timing, but maybe the opening for Marcus Williams establishes him as your PG of the now and the future.
Better now, than during the playoff run, also. That’s what we Blazer fans told ourselves about Roy’s injury. Monta will be just fine, don’t worry!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Aug 27, 2008 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he tore a ligament in his ankle which requires surgery
“Surgery is needed to repair a torn deltoid ligament, sources said, and the foot will need to be immobilized for the first six weeks”
by krazybalr on Aug 27, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OUCH !!!
This is a killer ! I just hope that some of the young guns step up (Williams,Beli,Randolph)-let’s see these dudes gets some PT !
Dr. Jeff
by JEFFSJAZZ on Aug 27, 2008 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So theres 2 plans of attack,
Option 1,
Trade Al for Kirk Hinrich and try and weasal a first rounder from them. Hinrich like Monta can play 1 or 2, and his known for his defense. I have been totally against in the past but with 8 being injured I would be all for it now.
Option 2,
Ride it out with Williams and Watson, playoffs are doubtful anyway, lets let the kids develop and get rid of Al and Jack in 2 years, draft another good prospect, sign a another solid player and become a legitment force in 2 years.
What do ya’ll think?
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 27, 2008 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Option 2!! I think Williams has loads of potential and can definately thrive in Nellies system. Let the boy play, we gave up a first rounder for the guy.
by krazybalr on Aug 27, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the curse of the new max(ish) contract
option 1: nah. let’s leave hinrich’s contract alone. plus, al doesn’t fill a pressing need for the bulls (they need a real center more than anything).
option 2: looks better. this is why mully acquired williams—steady, athletic, pure point insurance in the event of the unthinkable (or, the expected if you’re a long time warriors fan).
longtime GSoM lurker, first ever poster. wooooo. wish it was better circumstances.
by JJBG on Aug 27, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean to be a downer
But this board’s unbridled enthusiasm for Williams is rather alarming. He is NOT a pure point. His assist marks are mediocre. And steady is exactly what he is not. He is a poor shooter and a high turnover creator. He is also not a good defensive player, based on his two years in the league. His +/- is -6.6. That’s below a rotation player. His Roland Rating is -6.3, dito. A 11.00 PER. Going into this season he is a bad player. And the Nets decided to sign Keyon Dooling for a lot more money, whom the Magic gave up on, and trade Williams. They clearly have given up on Marcus.
He’s young, not 23 until December, a little younger than Monta and two years younger than Buike. So, yes he could be decent, maybe better. But that is based on speculation not on his NBA performance. People have to understand that.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 27, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say he is a pure point guard and a decent shooter
He averaged 8.6 assists/game and 12.3 points/game in his final year @ UCONN and he shot over 40% for 3PT. So far that hasn’t translated into any success at the NBA level. Still, you have to assume he has that pure-point-guard, pass-first mentality and decent shooting ability to put up those kind of numbers, even in college. He does tend to go for the spectacular passes, which lead to more turnovers. I’m thinking Nellie will put the smack down on the showboat passes and get his assist/TO ratio under control…
by EternalWarriorsOptimist on Aug 27, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams played on different team, coach,system
so I won’t say anything in advance on how good/bad he will be with the warriors until I will see it.
by buky on Aug 27, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls won't trade Hinrich
They’re looking to deal Gordon in a sign and trade instead.
But, I think a trade could be in the offing. I’m not sure that Mully and Nellie are convinced that either Williams or Watson can step in for Monta.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 27, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dealing Al for a temporary point will just compound a different problem when Monta comes back.
by so ill so d0pe on Aug 27, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True,
but Kirk Hinrich can technically play the 2, so Ellis and Hinrich can cmpose a backcourt of 2 guys capable of the 1. But looking back at it, I would go with option 2, Maggette and Jack and the rest of the guys, should keep the team competive.
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 27, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Option 2! Marcus Williams! But I’m a little iffy about all these “good young prospects”. What, are we gonna turn into the A’s and suck?
by goldenstatelove on Aug 27, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O Boy
The Guy CLEARLY is injury prone. Injured in HS… Torn ACL… Now Torn Liagment… Guess we have to see how Marcus does now eh?
For warriorsscore110, Option 2 is the best. We weren’t per say going anywhere this year so just ride out with what we have and really see if we are deep or not.
"Get Er Dun!"
by YayArea510 on Aug 27, 2008 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll be fine...
Monta will probably heal up sooner, rather than later as the article puts it. (Hopefully), but this will mean some of the other guys will have to step up.
If we’re lookin @ the full 3 months(Worst case i’d say), he’ll miss the first 13 games of the season….I’m hopin he’ll heal and be ready to go earlier and miss only the first few games instead. Maybe even NO regualr season games at all?
by esco41510 on Aug 27, 2008 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Complete Rebuilding Season!!!
We should just start all of our young players and see what we have. Play B. Wright, Randolph, Buike, Marco, and Marcus.
by wwong01 on Aug 27, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
I’d like to see what a Williams/Buike/Randolph/Wright/Biedrins lineup can do and add a top 5 in next years draft, but I think its far more likely we see a even more of established scorers like Maggs, Jack and Al to compensate for the loss of Monta.
by sam23 on Aug 27, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least until a certain point.
I think we’ll rely more on our vets in the beginning than the young guys also. In the hopes that we remain close until Monta comes back to give us a push.
In that likely scenario though, i see us winning anywhere between 36-43 wins. Which wouldn’t be a top-5 pick on a wasted season.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Aug 27, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I like Buike
He’s not starter material. He’s great as a sixth man, but I’d rather see B. Wright, Randolph, MONTA, Marco, and Marcus.
by boomdizzleness on Aug 27, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea
he’s not a starter on a good team, but I’d like to see him get the bulk of the minutes this year with the rest of the young guys just to get an idea of exactly what we have and to let them develop. Then the following year we can start figuring out who IS and IS NOT starter quality.
by sam23 on Aug 28, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would never hope that he rushes to come back this season.
And run the risk of him injuring it again while not playing 100%. That’s how careers get cut short…sigh, My man Grant Hill could’ve been a top 50 player all time. Well to me he is. haha.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Aug 27, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So when it says 3-4 months
That’s starting now, and not starting when the season starts right? That’d be most of the season if it’s the latter.
Is it just me or does it sound like BS when Monta says he hurt it “working out.” He was probably playing football with his friends or something stupid.
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year
by gsw4life on Aug 27, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing
I don’t think he hurt it working out
by Number22Drew on Aug 27, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thought the same thing at first
doesnt seem like he was workin out. anyway, id like to see what williams could do. also maybe try jackson at a point forward and run a lineup like jackson buke mags wright AB
by J$A on Aug 27, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your idiots, thats's what i first thought!
Till I go pee
Live life at KMart
Foot in mouth chasin me
by Skeptic Con Urquel on Aug 28, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Man
How fitting, they post up the back to back 51 pt games from Jamison for us to remember the old days.. well the old days are here again. All this anticipation for the season then things like this happen. DAMN!
by Put Mokeski In on Aug 27, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i must be homer
i still think it will turn out in best way
1. Williams will get PT to prove that he is legit NBA PG and he will prove it
2. team will gain confidence that they are capable to compete even w/o 1 of the main players
3 Monta will be back soon and will score 45pts in his first 08/09 game
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Aug 27, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Update...
the latest from Kawakami…
* He hurt it Thursday, was checked out over the weekend and at some point in the following days was diagnosed with a high-sprain in his left ankle plus a torn deltoid ligament.
* Surgery to repair the ligament was performed today at James Andrews’ facilities in Birmingham, Ala.
* Ellis is expected to have his ankle immobilized for 6 weeks. If that goes well, he’ll follow that with 6 weeks of off-court (non-basketball) work.
If both of those go well, in 3 months, Ellis will begin on-court work–and obviously probably will be far from ready to go in games.
That puts the timetable for his recovery at more than 3 months, almost certainly, and I’d guess 4 months is the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM.
"To be a great champion you must believe you are the best. If you're not, pretend you are." - Muhammad Ali
by Dubs Wise on Aug 27, 2008 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a...
Bummer.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Aug 27, 2008 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not that bad
We were going to be a fringe playoff team if anything, some of the young kids can log big minutes without Monta which is definately a positive. If by some great miracle we play .500 ball we can still be in the mix when Monta gets back. Don’t count on Kawakami, he’s a pretty negative guy and I’m sure there is a possiblity that Ellis is back in the 3 month time frame.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Aug 27, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've found Kawakami
and to that matter, Marcus Thompson as pretty damn good Warriors analyst guys. They’re pretty spot on. Basically what i’m saying is that for me at least, I trust what they say.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Aug 27, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kawakami
has more speciifc info than Mark Stein, who reported the national version. I think it’s more likely closer to four months.
Whatever the reality of the injury’s time table, the Warriors have a pretty good bead on it, at this point in time. If Monta misses two months, the Warrirors might be 10 games out of the playoffs, so you do wonder if they will change their game plan for the season based on that.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 27, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kawakami
Is a beat reporter, right?
He’s just telling you what the team and the doctors and agents have told him. He isn’t interpreting it and then telling you, he’s just saying what he is told by those who know.
So it could be 3+ months, because that’s what the team thinks.
Maybe Monta heals faster than that, but since there was surgery you want to be very careful with him. Monta is still very young, very talented, and you don’t rush your best player back from an injury just to be “ok” as a team. Let him heal and think of his entire career past this season.
It’ll hopefully work out for the better in the long run.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Aug 27, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever read his blog before?
He has loads of opinion pieces on all the sports teams—especially the warriors. Of course there are times when he is just relaying news. which, in this case is one of those times.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Aug 27, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldnt it be funny
If it turned out Baron was responsible, slipping water on the floor at his training facility in a Tanya Harding sort of way, and there are photos emerge of Monta on the floor saying “Why me? Why…”. Barons motivation became the Warriors pretty much igniting motivation for Brand to start looking at other teams… and Baron resigned to hanging with Ricky Davis and the shell of Marcus Camby and Chris “My country and my father is disappointed in me” Kaman. Laughed about that one for a few minutes before I cried that Monta wont be playing till Dec…
Take this for account: The guy is young, and has always recovered quick. I think he will be back middle of Nov, it will be a Steven Jackson situaion being out the first 6 games. Monta is a beast, SHOULD be back quick. Silver lining? Anyone who sees the potential for the W’s to look at their depth to play some younger guys. Don’t think its going to be Livingston, he is going to want a guaranteed and not going to get it, but CJ, Marcus, and the round-peg-in-square-hole Belinelli filler will allow more playing time for Morrow, Jackson and Mags on the floor at the same time, and Randolph getting early PT this season. Lets be honest… IT WOULD BE WORSE IF THIS HAPPENED TO BENDRIS THINK ABOUT IT. We would be freaking out more, and you know it…
by pinkycheal on Aug 27, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trust me you do not want to see Monta playing in the mid-november
because it would mean they rushed his recovery and he would be playing on painkillers while risking not only his career but his ankle on top of it. If we suck without him then so be it, let Monta recover fully and in 2009-2010 he may be playing with a top 5 pick by his side(not to mention the other lottery picks if we trade AL and/or Jackson).
by buky on Aug 27, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch!!!
Let’s hope for the sake of Warriors fans that Ellis recovers fast. Without Ellis on the floor the Warriors could be in a world of hurt and be looking towards the lottery. Luckily for Warriors fans everywhere this happened now and not at the beginning of the season.
Heal fast Ellis, your team needs you! If you’re out more then the first month or so of the season then say hello to the lottery!!!
Ouch!
by TWSSO on Aug 27, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So what about Livingston then...
I’ve been hoping that one of these days we hear of a Livingston signing. Although i like Watson I don’t think he has a long term future with the Dubs. A healthy Livingston however very well could be an integral part of our future. With Williams as the #2 backup, i thought it was well worth the risk to cut Watson and bring on Livingston. But that was yesterday…
Here’s the latest on Livingston’s recovery:
Livingston has been playing full contact, full court basketball in Chicago under the guidance of NBA trainer Tim Grover, and is said to be getting his explosiveness and swagger back. Supposedly Shaun is dunking the ball and attacking the basket against NBA guys in Chicago.
…he’s not back to a 100, but is closer to 75 to 80%.
…With NBA training camp set to open in less than 38 days it’s not out of the question Shaun gets a deal – the question is will that deal be guaranteed and will Shaun get a chance to play himself back into the NBA elite. Someone could get themselves a very nice player if they take the risk.
Unfortunately, I think with Monta’s injury the Dubs are going to have to keep Watson because they need a backup PG now and can’t wait on Livingston’s recovery.
But maybe I’m wrong… Maybe because of this injury we should pursue Livingston harder. Now there are actually going to be minutes to give him if he gets into playing shape before Ellis returns.
"To be a great champion you must believe you are the best. If you're not, pretend you are." - Muhammad Ali
by Dubs Wise on Aug 27, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
season is practically over
without monta, we will start off the season horribly and we won’t be able to get back into the playoff hunt. we should either trade al and jackson and get a star or do nothing but play our young guns and hope for the best and then we can draft an upcoming star. am i wrong to say let’s trade jacks and al?
by Young Moolah on Aug 27, 2008 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Some details ..
Ellis suffered a Grade 3 high ankle sprain, a torn deltoid ligament, and a syndesmosis disruption of his left ankle last Thursday and underwent successful surgery today to repair the ligament. The surgery was performed by Dr. Angus McBryde of the Andrews Sports Medicine & Orthopaedic Center in Birmingham, Alabama.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9867
I’ll be on the conference call with Chris Mullin later this afternoon, so check back to the link with his thoughts .. updating the story as I get more info.
by pree on Aug 27, 2008 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Pree
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Aug 27, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
This is horrible news. This was going to be the most important training camp of Monta’s career. He was about to have the keys handed to him and now this happens. We had no proven point guard on the team before this injury, all we had was the hope that Monta would impress us yet again with his ability to always seem to live up to our high expectations. Now we have Williams, who while being hyped up coming into the league has never proven that he can run a team and certainly wasn’t brought in to handle the full-time starting PG spot, and we have Watson, who while showing much promise for a D-League guard hasn’t even proven that he belongs in this league.
Am I hopeful that these guys will surprise us? Well yeah, I have to be. I’m a Warriors fan who hopped on the “band wagon” near the beginning of a 12 year playoff drought. I know how to enjoy watching a sub-.500 team and find the silver lining. But Monta was our future. He still is, but it looks like this might be one of those years that a player can never find his rhythm. We were already asking a lot of him to make the transition to PG but to come in a month or two into the season and take over at point while coming off an ankle injury… dang that’s really a lot to ask.
This may be a year that we get to see a lot of the youngsters. Not what Nellie had in mind for his final (maybe) season as a coach. I just hope that the boys put on a good show for 82 games because that is all we get to see of them this year.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Aug 27, 2008 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Faaaaaark.
No good way to spin this… this is the one big injury we’re not equipped to handle. Williams hasn’t shown himself to be ready for extended play, Jack probably can’t handle the point, and Watson’s just a guy.
But even that’s not the real issue — Monta missing a quarter of the season sucks, but this season wasn’t a sure thing anyway. Like others, I find the biggest downer of this to be that Monta doesn’t get training camp to work into the position.
I think our best lineup, given the current roster, is Jack/Buike/Maggette/Al/Biedrins. That looks to be a fairly stagnant offense, but it’s a lineup with size and speed, and everybody at least contributes something offensively, if they can get anything going in the half-court. But that’s not a strong lineup — less than the sum of its parts, given the absence of a playmaker (not that Monta’s even a proven one). That lineup will definitely lose some games.
I kind of hope the Dubs don’t make a move of any size based on this… signing a cheap guy is fine, anything more than that is an overreaction. Guys like Buike and Randolph will probably stumble into some bigger minutes as a result of this, and that’s not a bad thing. But it will, in Monta’s absence, be a fairly bad team.
by onlxn on Aug 27, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Making a move...
As I read it you mean making a move for a point guard to replace Monta right? While I’m sure this is an overreaction too, what about embracing the youth movement and trading Al and Jack for prospects/Draftpicks?
I agree completely with your analysis, but I can’t help but wonder if this was a not-so-gentle nudge to commit to the youth, lose a ton of games, and get a nice draft pick.
Still too early, I don’t know what to think.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Aug 27, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I was talking about a PG-centric move in reaction to this. I’m not against trading Al and Jack in the right scenario… heck, I wasn’t against trading them even before this injury. But there are a couple of issues. First one’s that Al didn’t seem to intrigue many people this summer when Mully introduced him into trade talks with Detroit and others. The longer we keep Al, the more valuable he becomes — he should be a genuinely useful trading chip next summer. I don’t want them to jump the gun for the sake of it.
Jack’s also a hard guy to move for value. He’s an odd package of pluses and minuses — versatility mixed with inconsistency, great leadership mixed with front-office headaches. I think he’s worth a lot more to us than to almost any other team. We need his versatility, both to help our young PGs handle the playmaking on offense and to hold together our defense. Add in that his value will have dipped again with his recent contract complaints, and you have a guy who wouldn’t bring back nearly as much as he gives us.
I’d love to trade either for guys that added to our young core, but both are somewhat warty guys… that’s how we managed to land them for Dunmurphy in the first place. I don’t think we’d get back value for either right now unless we packaged them with young ‘uns like Wright or Randolph. And with all the big RFAs now re-signed (not that trades were likely to be feasible with them anyway), I’m not sure how we’d make the “Young Guy + Old Guy = Better Young Guy” equation work right now.
by onlxn on Aug 27, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Nellie
Finish the season? I wonder if we get off to a horrible start without Monta if Nellie quits on the team at some point, I wouldnt be too shocked if that happens. I hope Monta doesnt turn into Grant Hill now, thats the worse thing about this injury, this could potentially completely alter Monta’s career, I pray he comes back at full strength and still has his amazing quickness and amazing cuts back, but that might not happen and thats scary. Screw the 3 months, take 5 months and make sure Monta is completely at 100 percent before hes on the court, were not contending for a championship this year, maybe we pull a Spurs ala Robinson being hurt then getting Duncan, and just tank this year with Monta and luck out and get a superstar in the draft next year. But with our luck we will get a Dunleavey again with a top 3 pick or Joe Smith with the first pick.
by pbra17 on Aug 27, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very Good Post
We just signed this guy to a $66 million long term contract as the (for now) cornerstone of this team. The idea of rushing his comeback is absurd. As it was, the Warriors were primed for a near playoff run. My educated guess had the playoff over/under win line at 46. The pre-Monta Warriors were at something like 43 wins. And they were bascially competing with 4 other teams – Blazers, Mavericks, Nuggets and Suns – for 3 playoff spots. So, while being competitive, the pre-Monta injury Warriors weren’t likely making the playoffs.
Now, they almost for sure aren’t making the playoffs. Time to think more about long term moves, first of which is protecting and developing Monta’s game for the future.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 27, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Condolences from a Blazer fan...
Sorry to read about Ellis’ injury. He is a fun player to watch and us basketball fans up north hopes he makes a very speedy recovery!
Hang in there as you are some of the best fans in the league. Best of luck with the season…
by The Graduate on Aug 27, 2008 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
for the classy post.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 27, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Grad
Have a great day too- You stay classy up in Portland and watch The Dark Knight Returns again!
by Tony.psd on Aug 27, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understanding Monta's injury
http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp09005.htm
"A Grade III (Third Degree) sprain is the most severe. This indicates that the ligament has been significantly damaged, and that instability has resulted. A grade III injury means that the ligament has been torn.
The lateral ligaments are the most commonly injured. On the lateral side, the ligaments are typically damaged in a direction that goes from the front to the back, with the most severe injury being in the front (anterior) and the least severe being in the back (posterior). Therefore, the most commonly damaged ligament is the anterior talo-fibular ligament and the least commonly damaged is the posterior talofibular ligament.
The sprain occurs when the ankle is turned unexpectedly in any direction that is further than he ligaments are able to tolerate. Typically, the sprain occurs with running, jumping, sharp direction changes, or stepping on uneven ground. The risk factors for having an ankle sprain include, uneven ground, previous untreated ankle injuries, being overweight, or using poorly fitting or worn out shoes."
ESPN describes him as having a deltroid tear in his ankle, which means he’s torn one of medial ligaments or the ones the control the foot push to the side. Therefore, I think is over all speed will be fine, same with his lift, but… I pray that his lateral movement and quick feet on defense aren’t held back by his injury. From what I’ve been able to research this type of injury should allow for a full recover. Here’s hoping Dr. Andrews can work his voodoo on Monta and get him back on the court by mid-January or early February.
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by mcwalter44 on Aug 27, 2008 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Understanding Monta's injury
Boy, this is a drastic way to get out of playing point guard :>) The good thing is he’ll have 3 more months of downtime to spend those millions. BTW, He didn’t by chance recently buy a motorcycle did he ?
Till I get free
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Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 27, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hum....
Pree good work again. Man I got ripped for posting that Warriors should bring Livingston in. If he’s even 80% percent I think we should seriously consider dropping Morrow and letting Livingston, Watson and Williams fight it out for the PG minutes.
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by mcwalter44 on Aug 27, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got ripped?
Man, that sucks. Livingston at least deserves a shot, especially on a team like the Dubs without a real solid PG (since I consider Monta a SG). Livingston is very talented and worth a shot.
I hope the kid can come back. I met him a few weeks before the injury at a bar down here in LA, and he was even skinnier in person. It was crazy how slight of build he was. He could barely lift his wrist with his big bracelet weighing him down.
I wonder if his fragile look is just a coincidence and has nothing to do with his injuries. I wonder if he woulda’ got stronger (even just wiry-strong) he coulda’ prevented them.
Oh well… he could still come back and play really good. Worth a shot.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Aug 27, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a bunch of people were posting it at the beginning of the summer, until it came out he might not be ready at all this year, and adding williams made it clear that the team wasn’t interested or needed if he wouldn’t be at full strength. if he were totally healthy, he’s better than williams, no doubt in my mind, but it sounded like he will probably never be completely healthy again. that’s when my tune changed. in theory, i love the move though. unfortunately, “in theory” has not treated us kindly.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Aug 27, 2008 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and
if he isn’t ready to go at the start of the year, he doesn’t really solve our current problem at all. he just takes up a roster spot while we wait for him to get out of the trainers’ room with his new best friend monta.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Aug 27, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
i’m very interested. Livingston has always been intriguing. I hope it isn’t a overreaction tho
by bayareaballa on Aug 27, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s even 80% percent I think we should seriously consider dropping Morrow and letting Livingston, Watson and Williams fight it out for the PG minutes.
Just what we need, two crippled points on one team! 80% gets you left behind in NBA games. If Williams is for real we’ll find out now. Watson played some decent point minutes last year but I don’t know if he’s ready to be the main man. I just hope they don’t try to throw Rudolf or Bellynellie in there, I’ve got my limits of what I can stand.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 27, 2008 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no more livingston talk.....
this is silly as he wasn’t allowed to practice back to back days in 1 on 1 drills as of around the end of the regular season and never contributed to a winner in the NBA…that settled…..i just hope this doesn’t rob monta of his quickness (the very reason he was signed for $60M+ )….2009 lottery here we come….F*&K
by jducsb3 on Aug 27, 2008 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
settled... i don't think so...
don’t even know if it’s worth challenging you since your logic is so poor but…
picking up Livingston would be a move for the future not for help early this season…
how can you argue that a 6’7" point would not be an ideal backcourt mate for Monta…
never been on a winner? Kid is like 21 years old & played for the Clips, what do you expect…
"To be a great champion you must believe you are the best. If you're not, pretend you are." - Muhammad Ali
by Dubs Wise on Aug 27, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehh
shit, here we goes again. Let hope Marcus could do his thing. And let AR handles the ball too since he is still ones of our better ballhandlers on the team. Just don’t lets Action Jackson handle pg or be the leader, than we won’t be that bad.
by warriorfan4life on Aug 27, 2008 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OUCH!!!
Monta had to have wrenched the living hell out of his ankle to tear his deltoid ligament. Most sprains are when you roll your ankle inward or outward. How he tore a medial (center of ankle) ligament from working out is unbelievable. However he sprained his ankle, he must have really torqued the heck out of his foot. Tearing your deltoid ligament in your ankle is a very uncommon ankle sprain for an athlete. Most sprains are lateral.
BTW, I’ve had two Grade III ankle sprains and with the surgery + the healing and PT, its gonna be a while till the Monta of old is back.
Hello Lottery! 2009-2010 season here we come! Play The Youngins Movement should start right now!
by gabezgsw on Aug 27, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
at least we’ll see what Marcus Williams is all about.
by GSWforever on Aug 27, 2008 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MONTA SHOULD
get one of those hyperbolic chambers Terrel Owens used to heal his ankle to play in the Super Bowl a couple years back. If he did, that might speed up the recovery time to ONLY 3 months maybe even less…
for now, the GSW nation is hoping there’s a “golden ticket” in the WONKA chocolate bar known as MARCUS WILLIAMS. (yes, i know that was kinda lame)
by nykeedunks on Aug 27, 2008 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
TO is still got a ego problem. and we all know he isn’t right in his head either. haha Monta should take his times to heal and come back.
by warriorfan4life on Aug 27, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how ????????
how did he severely sprain his ankle in his hometown. what was he doing?
by montadaboss on Aug 27, 2008 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson needs to call in...
…John Legend to fill Ellis’s spot!
once again…!
by Tony.psd on Aug 27, 2008 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
save room for his game...?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Aug 27, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
o shit
this isnt good
we dont have our top player
that means ppl like bukie will need to step it up a lot
by rayce on Aug 27, 2008 5:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Figure 4 total months. and that means 2 months into the season
so we go 30 games without Monte. If we are anywhere enar 15-15 we can still be in the hunt.
Till I go pee
Live life at KMart
Foot in mouth chasin me
by Skeptic Con Urquel on Aug 27, 2008 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dang! go go gadget time machine!
i like that we’re looking at Livingston, just skeptical of that injury man. i hope we don’t overreact and drop bank on this kid.
Ben Gordon wants out, what better time than to look at a deal involving him! i don’t know if that would work out financially and all, but we need some help now!
by GoldenStateDubtronic on Aug 27, 2008 7:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no panic trades
monta will be out 3-4 months, not 3-4 years. don’t saddle us with ben gordon when he and monta can’t share a backcourt.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Aug 27, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, no playoffs now, but
monta will still get a good portion of the year to work on his pg skills and the team will have to look toward the young guys to see how everyone should look in a couple years. we now can end up with a decent player in the draft and see where the next few years take us. the warriors weren’t a playoff lock (though i did like their chances), and if we would have missed out with monta, i really can’t say that us going from the 9 spot to the 12 is the worst thing ever if it gets some experience for the youth movement.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Aug 27, 2008 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WHERE DO I BUY A LAKERS JERSEY?
HEY GSOM. much love to the community and the believers out there. unfortunately enough is enough and being a Warriors fan now is just too daunting. i’m not a massochist. so i’m hanging up my Dubs jersey and looking for a new team with a chance to support.
what do i have to show for 24yrs of Dubs loyalty? (i aint no bandwagoner) ME8 suffers a career altering injury…
Do i join the lakers bandwagon or follow hollywood boom to the clips?
i’m thoroughly impressed with all you who can remain positive through this.
actually i change my mind, if the Dubs tank and get the number 1 pick next season, i’ll stay, if not, i’m outtie.. end of rant
screw cohan, screw mullin, screw baron
by DMJR on Aug 27, 2008 8:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
something tells me you'll be back...
Take 2 advils, and check this blog in the morning..
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Aug 27, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i took 2 advils...
a few vicodins, heroin, and horse tranquilizer… not feeling better yet
screw cohan, screw mullin, screw baron
by DMJR on Aug 28, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not better yet?
then can I serve you some Conium?
by haverecords on Aug 29, 2008 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chaos is just another word
for opportunity.
so good it hurts
by NaturalBornBaller on Aug 27, 2008 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont like the idea of getting livingston. we obviously aren’t a serious contender in the west, and with the addition of williams, what is the point of getting livingston. the warriors will struggle for the first 2 months of the year without monta, but with our improved depth, what is the point of adding another point guard. C.J. is a good player, and this will give time for marcus to improve his game because he lacked playing time in new jersey. I guess this is now captain jack’s team for the first few months……
by Nellieball650 on Aug 27, 2008 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know I may be the only one, but I think I’m more shocked and disappointed right now than I was when Baron left. Baron leaving was damaging to our playoff hopes, this one just about seals the deal.
The good news: Marcus Williams gets his fresh start, and we’ll see if that is all he needed.
The bad news: Everything else. Purely for entertainment reasons, this is terrible. Monta is fun to watch. My favorite player.
It could have been worse, it could have been closer to the season. One to two months is bad, but better than it happening in training camp.
by belilaugh on Aug 27, 2008 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Monta..
I’m praying for you…..get well soon
by Montizzle8 on Aug 27, 2008 9:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder....
Belinelli will most likely get a shot at running the point. He did play some minutes at point in the summer, if I remember correctly…
He has the handles to play the one, and in Nellie’s system, he should be able to get by without “pure” PG skills…
by It's Prounounced Mon-Tay on Aug 27, 2008 11:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so i was
listening to the radio on the way home like at 11 knbr 680 forgot the host and he said the most karma thing out of all.
“Baron should have a grin on his face, the warriors didn’t give him the big money cause they thought he was injury prone, and what you know now his replacement just got the injury”
then i kept thinking about it holy crap this is kinda weird. and as of right now i think we are jsut cursed cause how the hell did this happen especially on a pick up game in mississsippi!
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Aug 28, 2008 12:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
probly ballin w/his ghetto entourage
thanks a lot ghetto entourage.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Aug 28, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
That probably the most racist thing I’ve read today…. thx GameSix!
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
by mcwalter44 on Aug 28, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is this racist. a ghetto entourage can be white trash or black trash
there’s all sorts of trash everywhere.
by dso on Aug 28, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't follow the team much do you?
i could see how that by itself might be construed as racist. but in actuality- he does have a ghetto entourage that rolls w/him. it’s been brought up in the past in various places that I’m too lazy to look for. but, yeah, not racist.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Sep 2, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
probly ballin w/his ghetto entourage
I’d like to see the guys stupid enough to want to play against Montay frickin Ellis?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 28, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit
get well Monta soon. I love watching the guy play
Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr
by Murcy on Aug 28, 2008 3:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GOD I HATE THIS FREAKING BALL CLUB
screw cohan, screw mullin, screw baron
by DMJR on Aug 28, 2008 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GUYS c'mon
We still got s-jax(he is a presence!) and others. If we manage to hover around .500 we’ll be ok once Monta comes back. No guarantees ofcourse but WE BELIEVE!
brb, going to ORACLE
by warrior510 on Aug 28, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fellas,
it’s all about developing the young talent now. I’m hyped! A Randolph is gonna be a beast. Bellinelli is gonna light it up, and Williams is finally gettin his his run. Don’t forget we still got Bukie and CJ. We are not really in a bad spot.
by bucknall20 on Aug 28, 2008 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a simple solution for this.
HYPNOSIS!
Marco and Anthony…I want the both of you to take a deep breath and as you let it out, close your eyes and begin to feel yourself relaxing. Now become aware of your arms… now relax your arms… let them grow more and more comfortable… let the muscles become loose and limp and even more relaxed. I want you to repeat after me………..I am playing in Summer League. NOW OPEN UR EYES and EMERGE!!!
by nuttinbutnet on Aug 28, 2008 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha
That was pretty good.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Aug 28, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O.K. it's bad, but...
This is a devastating blow, no doubt. I’ve been a Warriors fan since “71” , so I know a little about suffering and I’m not ready to throw in the towel. All you bandwagon hoppers might want to leave the ship now, the water just got a little choppy. Monta’s injury isn’t career ending and doesn’t seem to be season ending (that’s the good news). The W’s were starting the season without a proven point guard and that hasn’t changed. I’m not sure it was really in the team’s best interests to have Monta at the point, he is just too devastating at the 2. This is a dream come true for Marcus Williams and if he doesn’t have what it takes to be the future point for the franchise, this may give him the time he needs to develop into an adequate backup. I like the idea of looking at Livingston. Even if he isn’t at full strength this season, this might be the perfect future backcourt mate for Monta.
This team is one of the fastest, most versatile clubs in the NBA, but also one of the youngest. The young guys need to play to develop. This probably wasn’t going to be the team’s season to return to the playoffs anyway. With Jackson and Maggette now the only two proven returning scorers, Al Harrington might just become a valuable commodity to the team again.
I really think the Warriors did a good job addressing many of their needs during the off season and greatly increased their depth. They are now built to create match-up nightmares versus many different styles of play. And as for all this angst about making the playoffs, please give me a break; don’t be so damn greedy. I only want (and expect) a team that is exciting and competitive as the future talent develops. This team will excel soon enough. Monta’s return should not be rushed, there is too much at stake.
I am proud to have been a loyal Warrior’s fan for so long and I’ll never stop believing! Get well Monta, you will be missed.
by Jeffo on Aug 28, 2008 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The unproven point guard and the early offense.
Good point on being in the same position regarding the point guard situation. However, I’m not sure if it’s not in the teams best interest to start Monta at point guard. I will not argue that Ellis is your prototypical point guard, of course not. But I see the Warriors as a team that is constantly applying the pressure on offense. Even after a made field goal, the team is hurrying the ball back to the offensive, testing the opposition’s fortitude and preparation. In this scheme of pressure constantly being applied on the team’s defense, Monta may actually be ideal for the Warriors best interests.
Monta will soon show defenses that it is not a good idea to pick him up early mid court, and it is impossible to guard him aggressively behind the three point line. Biedrins and Brandan Wright, these are two players that have a quickness advantage at their respected positions. Now with the team collectively pushing the ball up the court at a high pace, the defense will often fail to keep Biedrins and Wright from getting by them, cutting to the goal. When Monta comes at the defender full speed and forces him to make a decision as to which way he will go, it will more often than not result in Monta being the winner of the bout, earning the basket or the trip to the line.
This is going to frustrate defenses, and when they begin to initially double team Monta briefly on the perimeter, as to disable his momentum, and cut off the initial drive. If and when the defense decides to do this with either their wing defender or their post defender, it will allow this:
1. Biedrins will be allowed to do what he does best, move without the ball. Crowding the perimeter defensively, will give Biedrins the chance to run from here to there, weak to strong, high to low, all the while dragging the opposing big around, tiring him, frustrating him, weakening him…thus allowing the close range scoring and driving to occur more freely as well. If your tired, you can’t D up as well. Maybe they pick up Monta early with the double team, and he cycles it over to Jackson, who now has the angle to an open Biedrins. Dunk.
2. If the Defense uses the wing defenders to crowd the perimeter, naturally it will leave Maggette or Jackson open for three, and they are dependable marksman when left open.(doesn’t matter much for Jack)..
Basically all I’m trying to say is with Monta at point, and our faster big guys, we’re going to be a team who gets good shots with 18 seconds left on the clock. So in this sense I believe Monta just might surprise people that he is the man for the job, exclusively for the mold of a team like ours.
Outlook on the season
We should admit that we were a rebuilding team before the injury, and we still are now. With Monta out, whatever the outcome, we should not get discouraged by the losses, but take comfort in knowing that we’re a much better team with him, and we’re young! I feel bad about the injury, but I’m guilty for being excited about the possibility of having a shot at a super lotto pick. There are a few prospects in this upcoming draft who are going to be stars.
Williams has one season to prove himself, and with Monta out, the experiment becomes more clear and ultimate.
Nellie has an excuse now to play with his new toy, AR.
Our offense will rely more on Biedrins now, and this will give him the opportunity to grow as that kind of player, sooner than later.
B-Wright, Belinelli, we’re all going to see what they can do for us now. There will be no more questions.
As for the injury, didn’t Monta sustain a substantially worse injury during high school?
Did he not come back from that to prove to be the fastest player in the league?
Why the questions about lost speed and lasting effects?
I saw a funny comment that Monta is “injury prone”. Well I could name off a lot of guards Monta’s size who would’ve been face down a LONG time ago if they played as reckless as this man does. Honestly, I expected him to get hurt much sooner than he actually did, and I have faith that he will come back and be twice the player he was before.
I started being a fan of this team when the sun was setting on the Run TMC era, so I know losses, all too well. I am willing to be patient with this team as long as they keep building quality talent, keep assessing talent correctly, and remain competitive.
by JakeGittes on Aug 29, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
greatly increased their depth?
I hear this phrase a lot but wonder what kind of new math folks are using to come to that conculsion?
Boom for Magette is definite minus for us, their points are similar but Boom is a much better distributor so our other players will suffer his loss.
Pietrus for Turiaf seems like a minus for us also, Mikael played a large part of our toughest defensive minutes.
We lost Barnes and gained who? Marcus Williams, someone who can only try to replace some of Boom’s point presence?
Best case scenario is our depth got slightly worse?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 29, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got to also take into consideration that,
Azibuke and Wright(hopefully) are better than they were last year and at the very least have a bit more confidence.
so lets look at our bench players compared to last year
PG last year we had an injured THUD and completely unproven CWatson
this year we got a decent prospect in MWilliams and a slightly better and more expireince CWatson
advantage this year
SG last year we had 2 unproven kids in Buike and Bellineli
this year we got Azibuike who WILL be a steady part of Nellie’s rotation, and nellie has also pledged to use marco this year
advantage this year
SF last year we had Matt Barnes who had come off a great playoff series against Dallas but was hurt by personal tragedy
this year we got unproven ARandolph
advantage last year
PF last year we had 19 year old braces wearing BWright and injured ACrochere
this year we got Brandan Wright wih a little more expirence and 23yo Richard Hendrix
advantage this year
C last year we had POB, Kosta(for something like 15 total minutes) and an old man pretending to be Chris Webber
this year we got RTuriaf and maybe Kosta
advantage this year(atleast we know what Turiaf can do and know what to expect
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 29, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i forgot pietrus under the pf category....
so you can put the adv to last year for that if you want
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on Aug 29, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
quality depth is the issue
we love our dubs on GSoM and the glass is always half full – best example is all the faith in Bellinelli – so whether it’s new math or drinking the kool-aid there’s a ton of unwarranted optimism. It would be nice to hope ONE of Wright, Hendrix, Randolph etc contributes this year but we can’t expect it.
rather than Maggette for Baron as a minus, I was thinking it was Monta for Baron, Jax, and then Maggette for Barnes/MP. So after Baron’s bolting and before Monta’s injury I’d’ve agreed that we had more quality players spread out among more positions, and adding KAz’s progression and Turiaf made us deeper. Maggette will pay dividends particularly in Nelson’s system – scoring as much as Baron, getting the FT and opponent foul trouble will be bonus. You’re right though, there’s a dropoff.
What we now lack is (1) super star status and swagger – Monta and Maggs are near-superstars but don’t force opponents to make whole sale adjustments which open up teammates the way Baron could have. (2) We have less speed – without Monta we are “running” with a backup PG (pick one) and Jax rather than Monta and Baron. Can we still score in the open court like before? and if not (3) even with Turiaf bolstering the overall depth at the 4&5 we lack inside scoring to make up lost perimeter scoring. Lastly (4) we are no better defensively.
Probably don’t want to judge this team until Feb, when Monta, Maggs, et al. get to play at full strength. Unfortunately we could be looking up at the backside of the 8spot by then.
by hardcore on Aug 30, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post Jake
I enjoyed your take on Monta at the point and other excellent observations. In answer to other comments about the strength of this year’s team compared to last year, I still like the possibilities this squad brings. Aside from losing Baron, we basically exchanged experience ( a journeyman and a player who did not want to be here) for a better inside presence and a player with a huge potential upside. Yes, I know that potential is a scary word, but there are very few sure bets these days.
The young guys are going to get their shot to show what they can do and we just might find we have a diamond or two in our midst. At least the organization will have a pretty clear idea who will continue to be in their future plans after the season. It will truly be interesting to see where this team is at when Monta returns.
by Jeffo on Aug 29, 2008 9:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On Randolph
Thanks my good man, I’m intrigued about how the whole Nellie – Randolph situation is going to pan out now. Obviously Anthony is playing with a lot of confidence coming off of that summer league stint. I suspect that he’ll come into training camp with a similar confidence, trying hard to impress Cap Jack and Gettes.. Nelson will likely say something that the media will blow out of proportion, then maybe Randolph goes on and scores 27 in a pre-season game, Then Jackson goes on KNBR or says something to the papers about Anthony being a “natural”, or an "original"and then gsom gets in the mix and starts talking ROY lock…
I will be impressed if Randolph ignores the hype and remains focused enough this season to be a consistent threat. I wouldn’t be surprised. He’s just got that low toned confidence, almost arrogance about him that makes his attitude with the ball in his hands that much more appealing. He acted like he was better than everybody else on the court in summer league, which he pretty much was.. But I am curious to see what his reaction will be when he finds out that NBA players are very good, and how well his confidence sustains after some bad experiences on the floor. He certainly seems like he slumps with his jumpshot, and I hope he doesn’t live by it, and shoot himself into a rookie wall too early.
If he can keep the take-no-prisoners mentality on the next level, stays aggressive on the drive, and scores sufficiently from the line, I think he’s going to do well. I believe in his handle.
Stephen Jackson once explained in an interview, “I’m not that fast, but I change speeds quickly, and I’m good at keeping my man off balance”. I noticed Randolph has the same gift of being able to switch gears and put the hesitation on defenders. I hope he becomes a power forward some day, granted he get’s stronger. Yes, Anthony Randolph has a shot at being an original kind of NBA specimen. Nellie can take him there if Randolph will go.
by JakeGittes on Aug 30, 2008 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this lineup......
pg marcus
sg maggette
sf harrington
pf wright
c biedrins
stephen as 6th man
by montadaboss on Sep 1, 2008 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Harrington starting over Jackson
and why would you do this?
by JakeGittes on Sep 1, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind what?
what u hear bout livinsston and the warriors. did they not like what they saw?
by nuttinbutnet on Sep 3, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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