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ESPN:WARRIORS LOSERS OF OFFSEASON

WARRIORS IS SAID TO BE LOSERS. DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS ARTICLE WRITTEN BY CHAD FORD SEEN IN ESPN.COM?

I feel sorry for Warriors GM Chris Mullin. A little more than a year ago, he was the guy who helped the Warriors end an ugly 12-year playoff drought. His hard work paid off in the 2007 playoffs when his Warriors pulled off one of the biggest first-round upsets in NBA history.

 

 

Last season, the Warriors were good, just not good enough to make the playoffs in the ultra competitive West. Then disaster struck this offseason as Baron Davis bolted for the Clippers and the Warriors panicked. After trying and failing to lure Elton Brand and Gilbert Arenas to Golden State, the Warriors spent way too much on Corey Maggette, a guy who duplicates many of their strengths and addresses none of their weaknesses.

Now the Warriors look poised to fall out of the playoffs for the next few seasons as they restart the rebuilding process. That has to be a huge blow to the gut of Warriors fans that rabidly supported the Warriors in 2007.

 But there is a silver lining in Golden State.

First, the Warriors were right in not overpaying to keep Davis. I'll be surprised if he's still playing 50 games a season in the last few years of that deal. Second, the Warriors locked up their two young free agents -- Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins -- to rich, but not ridiculous deals. If those two continue to develop along with young players like Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli and rookie Anthony Randolph, the Warriors will be good in about three years.

 Still, I'm not sure Warriors fans like the idea of waiting after missing the playoffs in 16 of 17 years.

 

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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yeah

i saw this too. I actually think we came out winners. Think about it, we lost our BEST player in Davis. Yeah we could have gotten Brand or Gilbert, but ended up getting Maggette, but he can score. He’s big enough to be somewhat of a defensive threat. And who knows how good Monta can be without Baron there. We got Turiaf who’s a great role player. Our bench is deeper than its ever been in years. All in all i think we came out winners, i mean we are definately not LOSERS. It might take a couple of years for our team to click but hey we waited this long, right.

by Young Moolah on Aug 4, 2008 12:54 PM PDT   0 recs

Maggette's contract

maggette’s contract was never officially announced? Am i wrong? if it was what is the exact number? 5 yr/50 mil was the estimation? i hope less

by DuikeBuike on Aug 4, 2008 12:59 PM PDT   0 recs

How can he say Maggette addresses none of their weaknesses?

Why did the Warriors lose close games last year? The inability to get to the rack and the foul line in the 4th quarter, combined with poor interior defense.

Maggette does nothing but go to the rack, and the W’s need that in the 4th quarter if they plan to close out close games. The Warriors were horrible at playing with the lead late in games last year.

And Turiaf should help hold down the paint in the 4th, the time of the game where the W’s get abused in the paint.

I think they addressed their 2 biggest weaknesses.

Oh yeah, they also let the Baron go, and his shot selection was embarrassing at times. They are a much more efficient team now.

by BaronsaBitch on Aug 4, 2008 1:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Why is the addition of Turiaf so overlooked in this biased article? Our interior presence has been significantly increased.
Sports writers grant our team this one-trick pony status of beating Dallas and writes us off when it comes to anything else.
And Maggette is overpaid, but why aren’t these people tearing apart the Wizards for giving injury-prone Arenas such an outlandish contract?
And that is Ford’s only knock on our off season when he turns around to praise Mullin’s resignings of Ellis and Biedrins.
What about Williams? As a backup point guard, seventh or eighth man off the bench, where’s the response to that?

by so ill so d0pe on Aug 4, 2008 1:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

seventh or eighth man off the bench, where’s the response to that?

Probably cause in the big picture other than Warriors homers no one else really cares about our 7 or 8 th men?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 4, 2008 2:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i completely agree

maggette’s style of play is basically the opposite of jackson’s, forming in my mind a very good 2/3 combo.

I don’t think we overpaid that much for maggette.

by dancingchiapet on Aug 4, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Warriors have a chance to be a better team, because without Baron, they

can be an actual “team”. When your best player doesn’t have to, or want to be above the team, the cohesiveness will show. Look at San Antonio, and Boston, the best players on that team, both great players, but somewhat unassuming, Duncan moreson than Garnett. I am not saying Monta will be on the same level, yet, but the dynamic is setting itself up.

by theblackpearl on Aug 4, 2008 1:18 PM PDT   0 recs

not sure KG

would be considered the best player on the celts anymore. Pierce was a stud in the finals and I wouldnt say he’s unassuming. Dont kid yourselves….losing Baron hurts. A lot. Maggette is a great scorer but he IS overpaid, and Turiaf is a good role player but nothing more. If we couldve added guys like while only losing Barnes and Pietrus we’d be improved, but not many teams should really expect to improve after losing their best player. Mullin did an OK job of salvaging the offseason, but we are still offseason losers.

by sam23 on Aug 4, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My opinion is different

i think we’ll have a good team. even with baron gone. kutos, mully.

by Golden Boy on Aug 4, 2008 1:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

depends on what the criteria is for 'loser'

next year the warriors will not be as good, true. in three years, this offseason should really look good. baron would have been on his last legs by then. i’ll miss the guy, but a five year contract would have been too much. and there’s a shot that while we will be a worse team, and not win as many games, the warriors could make the playoffs anyway due to the weakening of the playoff bubble. so, i’m reluctant to call it a definite ‘loser’ offseason.

by cap'n hack on Aug 4, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the media knows nothing

they have to say this. The Warriors are the step children of the nba. we’ll prove them wrong come playoff time.

by Golden Boy on Aug 4, 2008 1:30 PM PDT   0 recs

dingbats

Chad Ford is entitled to his opinion, but IMO this is typical surface level analysis of the W’s offseason by a national sports media outlet with typical east coast bias.

I would not be surprised at all if we are competitive in the West this year and within 3 years we are talking about much more than just making the post season. All will depend on how well our coaching staff utilizes the talents of our new players and how well they are able to bond and gel as a group.

As someone above mentioned, Maggette may not play D but he is a 20ppg player with a high FT%. (plus it's not like BD played any kind of real D) Last year when the Warriors were forced into slow down offensive sets our only option seemed to be Baron pounding the ball for 20 secs whilst all other players stood around wondering and hoping that he just may pass the ball this time. At the end of the possession we all know what would happen....off balance fade away 3ball with a long arm and hand in his face. Maggette will be a go-to player on our roster when half court sets are needed on O and will be able to stave off prolonged scoring droughts by getting to the line when we are having problems with our offense.
Turiaf will help with interior presence on the low block. This will enable Beans to limit his fouls due to having to help on D. He should benefit by increased PT and higher stats.
Williams is a wild card in that if we get better production out of him than his historical stats would indicate that could be the key cog that Ford and others are not seeing here. My personal feeling is that WIlliams is going to go absolutely wild in Nellie's system and by midseason he could get some starts depending on matchups. Predicting WIlliams averages 7-10 APG this year. If I'm right, this squad is a playoff team this year.

Morrow shot lights out in SL, if form holds, this guy is a steal

Randolph is a rook, and will have growing pains, but he does not lack for cojones and this will help him to quickly establish himself in the league. I predict a quicker learning curve for Randy than for Wright. Kid has some real game though for a young buck.

Wright’s second year will bring better consistency (along with increasing minutes hopefully) from what I saw in limited minutes in 07-08 this young man will be a contributor to the team in 08-09.

Hendrix could be this years Stephane Lasme but he played in a bigger conference and excelled in the rebounding role that he had with his team. Not depending on this guy to bring us over the top (c’mon how many 2nd rounders can we expect to be stars like Monta) but he could be a pleasant suprise as well.

Bukie’s back…nuff said bout that

Monta’s back….same here

Beans is back….as mentioned above, the real diff here is that with Turiaf (and Hendrix) around, Beans should be able to stay on the court longer. More minutes for Beans means more points and rebounds…check his stats, he is the kind of player that does not level off with increased minutes, he seems to carry his per minute averages along with his minutes. One of the absolute most efficient 5’s in the league for the amount of PT

Belli’s back….not sure if this is good or not, my guess is that if he does not play solidly, he is relegated to the pine again this year.

All this bodes well for the Dubs as well as the fact that PHX, DAL, DEN are in my opinion declining…..

by GeeEssDub on Aug 4, 2008 6:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

While you are correct in that it's a surface analysis...

It’s not an “East Coast bias” thing. It’s just that it’s not his home team, so he doesn’t cover them that much. He writes so much that expecting him to do in depth analysis of 30 NBA teams for this particular article is ridiculous.

On to the meat of your comment. Morrow is not going to “hold form” in the real NBA. Even if Randolph earns 15mins/game, is he really going to have much of an effect? Really? Wright would have to take huge steps to make an impact, but is definitely more likely to do that than Randolph. Hendrix was a second round draft pick. If he’s even on the roster at the end of the year, it’s a miracle. Beans & Monta should improve, but there’s no way we make up for losing BD unless everything pans out well. Monta needs to become a bona fide PG. He should, but if he doesn’t we’re screwed. Screwed.

Like most of the overly optimistic folks around these parts, you focus on the young guys who won’t play that much while ignoring the real contributions of the projected starters like Jax, Maggs, Al, and Turiaf. These are the players we’ll be depending on. If any of the young bucks steps up, it’ll help. But only marginally. 70-80% of the PT will still be taken up by Monta, Jax, Maggs, Beans, Al, and Turiaf (and to a lesser extent Buke). Do you really think that lineup is going to contend this year? It’s the same team, except with BD replaced by Maggs. That team didn’t make the playoffs. Without a true PG, they won’t go any farther.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 4, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The silver lining I see....

Is that Maggs is an extremely efficient scorer. This should be very helpful. But it won’t be worth Jack if Monta can’t run the point.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 4, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

& Do not dismiss Baron's effect on the rest of the players opportunities

Yes, Davis casted off a lot of shots with little to no conscience – but his presence on the floor forced other teams to game-plan to stop him or at least keep him in check and that factor is now absent. Baron’s presence opened up other opportunities, and our offense did not run as smoothly in those minutes he was not on the floor as limited as they were, even while Jax & Monta ran the point.

As it stands now, Ellis and Maggs can penetrate but who will they kick out to? – Harrington & Jackson, who are much less dangerous than BD. We will see more teams pack it in and help vs the drive now and we lack a proven distributor. MAYbe Ellis becomes that, we all hope so. MAYbe he can dish to Andris the way Baron did, etc. But the good teams have a player that forces the other team to help more to stop, the really good teams have two, the great teams – championship caliber – have three. We have, well, hope.

by hardcore on Aug 4, 2008 1:34 PM PDT   0 recs

I dont know who is the bigger Warrior hater

This adobo guy who made the post or Chad Ford, either way they have both proven to be Warrior haters

by pbra17 on Aug 4, 2008 1:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Bottom Line

With the West as strong as it is, it’ll take quite an effort for us to make the playoffs a year removed from losing out best player.

by Eggman on Aug 4, 2008 1:48 PM PDT   0 recs

woah woah

i think the clippers are the ultimate losers this offseason. They are stuck with Davis and Camby, both whom are fading fast and are overpaid and they have NO ONE ELSE.

Maggette does fix a weakness. We add a slasher and finally get a big time scorer who won’t be jacking up 3s all day.

Monta is poised for another break out year.

Turiaf is a beast

We are very young, very talented, and might just be as good as last year if Monta plays as well as he can and other pieces fall into place. Even if Baron came back would we be in the playoffs?? NO we would be in the same situation as last year. We had to take a step back to take a step forward in the future.

I don’t buy this crap. Were the sonics losers last offseason?? they traded ray allen, they got Kevin Durant and Green and they had a horrible season. We are no where near as bad as the sonics of last year.

by Agent Zero on Aug 4, 2008 1:51 PM PDT   0 recs

this article sucked

he obviously didnt do too much research…sure, if you look at BD leaving, it would look like a bad year for us, but by baron leaving, Mullin came through with fixing our biggest problem last year: our lack of depth.

this year we are almost TOO DEEP. which i predict will get us DEEP into the playoffs

by 3Kings650 on Aug 4, 2008 1:54 PM PDT   0 recs

this year we are almost TOO DEEP.

Where’s this big improvement in depth? If Boom for Magette is a wash then the only depth improvement is Turiaff? Pietrus was our best perimeter defender so Belinili or Rudolf will be a downgrade. Barnes had a bad year but is still better than any of the rooks? Marcus wiliams backing Montay is not as good as Montay backing Boom at the point. I don’t see a big improvement in depth or defense, and a sideways movement in offense, Booms leadership and assists for Magette’s drives? My guess is we’ll finish about where we did last year, on the bubble but look less cool doing it?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Aug 4, 2008 2:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The psychotic visions of extreme expectations hit this time of year. Untested rookies are rotation players. Guys who made a couple of baskets in the summer league have “stepped up their game” and most returning players are supposed to have developed.

Realistically the Warriors have 5 returning rotation players (Biedrins, Monta, Jax, Harrington, Azubuike). Maggs will join that group and Turiaf will very likely see regular time as well based on his performance and PT in LA. That’s 7 players.

Who else gives us depth?

Williams? Seems likely that he’ll get a chance to show he belongs in the rotation as point guard is undermanned with a converted 2 as starter being backed up by…? If it’s not Williams, it’s Watson, who as far as I know hasn’t yet had his option renewed. Williams comes with more experience running a club. But in either case, it’s minimal “depth”. It’s still banking on ‘potential’.

Wright? His numbers in limited minutes suggest that he’s an able contributor, but it remains to be seen if Nellie feels the same way.

Belinelli? Not seeing it unless he’s got some point guard skills up his sleeve.

Randolph? Hendrix? Before pronouncing Randolph to be ready to step in because of his unique skills (I’d be more impressed if one of those included high percentage shooting—shorter guys who can shoot tend to be better 3’s than longer guys who can’t) and summer league performance, remember that he’s young and was available at 14 because he was viewed as a project. It could happen, but it’s far, far, far from a given. Hendrix as well is a second rounder. Many of them don’t even make it through training camp.

Morrow? Kosta? Thunder?

Basically, it’s a starting rotation with the potential to be a deep bench, but there’s much that has to come together for that to happen. It well could be that Randolph looks like an athletic wonder who can’t really find the bottom of the basket with regularity (like he was against college competition last year), that Wright will still be an odd man out due to his inability to coexist with our starting center, that Belinelli will still suck, that Williams will still have conditioning problems, and Kosta will be Kosta. If that’s true, it’s not a deep team.

by jae on Aug 4, 2008 3:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with all this. The three guys who seem overwhelmingly likely to get some real bench minutes are Azubuike (mainly because of ability), Turiaf (mainly because of ability), and Williams (mainly because of need). I could see either Wright or Randolph making enough of an impression to get some minutes, but I think it’s extremely unlikely that both will play real roles on the ‘08-’09 team… my guess is that Wright gets 10-12 minutes a game, and we see very little of Randolph.

Let’s not forget, many fans thought we’d be deep last year, only to see Barnes turn back into a pumpkin and Nellie lose faith in just about everyone else. Expecting more than an eight-man rotation would probably be jumping the gun at this point.

by onlxn on Aug 4, 2008 5:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jax and AL shoot better from the 3 than BD

And Monta was running the pick and roll outsandingly well with Biedrins last year. Particularly at the end of last season, Monta was giving it to Biedrins more than BD. Plus now we have a PG who is not confident enough to take the game by himself, Monta also has a better supporting cast than BD with the addition of Turiaf and Maggette, who we wouldn’t have got if Baron was still there. I think if BD didnt opt out the mess doesnt start Maggs and EB are still with the Clipps. So we lose our offensive leader and spark plug. But now we will look for that spark from the whole team and not one guy. Plus comparing last years team to this years team we have better D, rebounding and size, our biggest weaknesses. We lose BD’s ability to take over a game or own a game, but also lose all the things he does that cost games. We are more of a team now.

One thing that the media especially ESPN love are teams with one superstar and a cast. LAL, MIA, CLE and on and on. BOS and SAN are exceptions. They also see the Warriors as BD and the rugrats, sure there’s some talent but nothing much past BD. BD wasnt an all-star, didn’t lead the league in anything, he possesses average D and above average offense. But now we have lost him and not lost anything on offense with Maggette, he’ll probably score more than BD and more consistently as well. But Turiaf Maggette and even Williams will go further to help us than just BD. Plus last years team needed some improvements. Not to mention all the youngsters, including Monta and Biedrins, will be better So yeah, we lost Baron, but we replaced realistically as best as we could. You cant trust ESPN on articles regarding bay area sports, because much like all sports, they are wrong in thinking of us as a small market. Yeah all 10 million+ of us plus the rest of Nor Cal and parts of Oregon Nevada and Hawaii. So dont listen to ESPN for bay area sports news, and dont listen to anyone who says we will be worse this year. They dont know GSW hoops

by droppin gsw _knowledge south bay style on Aug 4, 2008 2:04 PM PDT   0 recs

The media has never liked the SAS

The media likes teams that are easy to sell. Teams with one star and/or offensive juggernauts can be easily marketed, while teams that rely on defense and not so flashy play aren’t as easy to market.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 4, 2008 2:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Regardless

Regardless of how crappy Ford thinks the Dubs are going to be, the Dubs will have a VERY hard time making the Playoffs next year. I mean VERY hard. Don’t let potential cloud reality yall. The West is gonna be brutal again in 08-09, especially without our General running the show. 16 out of 17 years without making the playoffs isn’t too much of a stretch(ouch).

1. Hornets
2. Spurs
3. Lakers
4. Jazz
5. Rockets
6. Mavericks
? Suns
? Nuggets

Bubble:

? Blazers
? Barons
? Warriors
? Clippers
? Kings

by gabezgsw on Aug 4, 2008 2:12 PM PDT   0 recs

Mavs arent a lock

I would say there’s 5-6 teams playing for the last 3 spots, our Warriors, Mavs, Phoenix, Blazers, Nuggets possibly the Clipps. Also I think it will be Lakers Hornets Rockets Jazz and Spurs in that order, and dont be suprised to see the Spurs drop into the 6-8 seed

by droppin gsw _knowledge south bay style on Aug 4, 2008 2:21 PM PDT   0 recs

Mark it down...

a motivated Shaq and the Suns win it all next year. The Nuggets definitely got worse too, I think GSW are just as good if not better than them.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Aug 4, 2008 3:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The sad part is...

When ESPN runs an article saying the Warriors got worse, or bashes the Dubs in any way, shape, or form, the GSoM community gets up in arms and says “they don’t know what they’re talking about, BD took lots of bad shots, our new FAs are great”.

When a poster on GSoM says “hey, Maggette is a solid signing, Turiaf is good, etc. I’m liking our team!”, the GSoM community gets up in arms and says “Maggette is overpaid! We shouldn’t have traded JRich or BD wouldn’t have left! Monta can’t play PG!”

Get your heads straight.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 4, 2008 2:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Haha

True. It’s all about motivation. A post that I agree with usually has to be pretty good to motivate me to comment on it, but a post I disagree with will usually get my fingers moving.

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by olympicmike on Aug 4, 2008 5:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

there are some good posts that take a beating for that reason. of course, there are even more bad posts that take beatings for the same reasons and actually deserve it.

by cap'n hack on Aug 4, 2008 8:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And there are some horrible posts that take no beating

because they’re already beating a dead horse… and poorly at that.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Aug 5, 2008 6:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

welcome to the internets

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Aug 5, 2008 8:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

i also would’ve excepted “inter tubes”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Aug 5, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeesh

*accepted

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Aug 5, 2008 2:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think fans in general, who ever team they may be rooting for are generally very optimistic about “next year’s team”. Whether or not the off season transactions pans out and produces wins is another story. Only time will tell…

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Aug 4, 2008 2:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Elton Brand

If Elton Brand had chosen to take the Warriors offer (which was better than what he accepted from the Sixers) no one would be saying that this was a bad offseason. The Warriors probably wouldn’t have made even the MLE offer to Maggette or even thought about making an offer to him. I think they still would have had tried to get Turiaf. The trade for Marcus Williams wouldn’t have been effected by signing Brand. Monta and Andris would get resigned as well. The team would have been essentially the same with Baron and Elton trading teams and Barnes and Pietrus for Turiaf. If before Free Agency started, there was a rumor of the Warriors trading Baron for Elton and Barnes and Pietrus for Turiaf, I think most Warrior fans would have welcomed it.

Elton decided to go to Philly and Mullin did the best he could to fill the scoring void that Baron was leaving behind with Maggette. Yes, Maggette is a little bit overpaid but we have yet to see what he will do for the Warriors so it’s too early to judge.

Right now, I would say that the Warriors have had an offseason that is somewhat neutral. Losing Baron hurts in the short term but long term, they are better off. Next season probably won’t be a playoff season and I am not sure it would have been even if they kept the same team as last season intact but the future of the Warriors looks pretty bright.

by NBA on Aug 4, 2008 3:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Keeping Azubuike was another good deal

as he helps with the depth and is overall a decent role player. The W’s bench is deeper this year. I’d like to see the young guys get some more PT and now they probably will. Adding Williams at PG was another solid move.

The main issue, whenever a bunch of new players are brought into the mix, is cohesiveness. it may take some time for these guys to gel, but it should be another fun exciting team. Now, though, unlike the past, there’s a bit more on the inside to get excited about – Wright and Randolph should provide some more scoring, and Hendrix and Turiaf should allow the W’s to compete with a few more of the physical teams.

Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious.

by Kobe on Aug 4, 2008 3:59 PM PDT   0 recs

i dont care wat espn says!!!!

i think i dont think were that much worse than last year we prolly wont make the playoffs but we surely will be a contender for the next 8 or so years!!! loosing baron in the long run will make our team so much better!!! im gettin butterflies just thinkin about the seasons ahead of us!

by hyphy cowboy on Aug 4, 2008 4:52 PM PDT   0 recs

+1

I don’t know why I listen sometimes to what they have to say! They’re in the EAST COAST and never talk about us on the WESTSIIIIIIIIDE, and when they do it’s about CRAP!!!

by scottiepimppen on Aug 4, 2008 6:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ahhh...

smearthebeard!! mystery solved. Ok smear, pretty funny, but getting kinda old.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Aug 6, 2008 12:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

kool-aid drinkas

this team is a rebuild, folks. not gonna be competitive without baron. we don’t have the playmakers. love to be wrong, but we will need to “shock” the world again to get 50 wins. turiaf down low will not make an impact.

"We're Menudo," -BB

by eshock on Aug 6, 2008 10:44 AM PDT   0 recs

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