the Warriors have two of the nine MOST "overpaid" NBA players

by hardcore on Sep 6, 2008 10:06 PM PDT

Mike Kahn’s at it again on the Dubs - Guess who is NOT one of the most overpaid NBA players?

Well, according to Kahn of ESPN the Warriors have two of the nine "overpaid" NBA players. Is anyone else starting to get annoyed at this guys reporting?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8523890#sport=NBA&photo=8523508

Before letting you in on who he left out (someone that almost everyone on GSoM would predict from Mullin's signings this past summer), let’s look at the two Kahn asserts were overpaid.

6-year, $66 million: "Were it not for the serious ankle injury and surgery of last week we may not have even brought up Monta Ellis or his contract."

via msn.foxsports.com

Well isn’t that a nice bit of hindsight being 20-20 vision?! Seriously this guy is starting to really rake on the nerves. He doesn’t do any reporting, he just sniffs & riffs off of current events and does little or no analysis in real time at all. Hell, even all the hyperkinetic Monta posts here on GSoM at least TRY to analyze rather than react ex post facto. If Monta hadn’t gotten his foot stuck on that fire escape landing ….

Ok, as for choice #2

6 years, $54 million: "he's still kind of stiff and he may not improve much from where he is now (.524 career free throw percentage that did rise to .620 last season). For a quality big man, maybe any contract averaging less than eight figures a year is reasonable, but we're talking about someone who just averaged 10.5 points, 9.8 rebounds and 1.2 blocks"

via msn.foxsports.com

Does Kahn provide ANY context? Does he do any comparisons? Hell even real estate agents have to do comps – and the market determines value in both cases. AB isn’t a stiff, and he certainly isn’t on the downside of his career. Where does Kahn get his insights? Is it possible he’s got a hard-on for the hometown boys?

For a previous example of his anti-Warrior bias, see Kahn SLAMS GSW

And, as for who SO MANY of you had to be predicting were in Kahn’s top nine:

via www.basketnet.it

Corey didn’t make the top 9! Maybe he’d have been 10th? Maybe if Monta's injury hadn't ...? In any case, not even Kahn could put 3 of the top 10 overpaid players from one team – what would that say about Mullin? Come on, you can’t say you’re not surprised.

Why isn’t this guy getting more flaming comments on his articles? I mean, ya know, GSoM is one of if not the highest hit sites on the circuit. Maybe I’m the only one put off by his slanted and shallow reporting.

Maybe not. What say you let him know yourself?

Kahn's Article

Drop in your comments your #1 candidate for most overpaid NBA player - I'll bet we can get at least 10 to top Kahn's.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Trash artical imo

gogo fox news!

by BeRight on Sep 6, 2008 10:48 PM PDT 0 recs

LOL

All he named were the players that got sizable contracts this offseason mixed in with some BS “insight”.

by dajrichshow on Sep 6, 2008 11:01 PM PDT 0 recs

HAHAHA

How can you say AB is overpaid? Tell me what center would fit our offense any better and pull up the numbers he does in 27 mpg? That guy is a complete moron.

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by iBallGSW on Sep 6, 2008 11:23 PM PDT 0 recs

dwight howard?

be the change you wish to see in the world.

by Rach on Sep 8, 2008 8:34 AM PDT up 0 recs

not a big surprise

…considering warriors had a playoff drought absence for 13 years and we are still a weak team in general…we have to overpay players just to play here…we have no prestige

by war i are. on Sep 7, 2008 2:02 AM PDT 0 recs

most over paid PG & PF/C?

PG – gotta nominate Marbury ($21m) and Francis ($20m) from last season

PF/C – Randolph ($15m) at least puts up some numbers on the stat sheet, how about Ben Wallace at $14m

(not sure if these are this or last season’s salaries)

by hardcore on Sep 7, 2008 8:06 AM PDT 0 recs

How can you call someone overpaid if you havent seen them play under the contract yet?

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by CB30 on Sep 7, 2008 8:34 AM PDT 0 recs

seriously!

that’s what i’m thinking…!! you could make a point for the ellis injury, but any of us have no more than an educated guess as to how Beans will play in the next 6 years. Kahn’s statement that AB is overpaid is no more than what he considers to be an educated guess, but a guess nonetheless. if you want to write an article about contracts, talk about some that have actually been around for at least ONE season!!

by Run Dubz on Sep 11, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up 0 recs

MOST "overpaid" NBA players

They are all over payed compared to other jobs. This society has very warped ideas about value.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 7, 2008 9:10 AM PDT 0 recs

Man...

I’d be mad happy if I made a milli a year! Shoot $500k would be nice!

…even $300k!

by Tony.psd on Sep 7, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up 0 recs

As we've said before...

It’s a business. Cohan isn’t an idiot. He wouldn’t pay these players what they make if it didn’t make him more money. If the league was not financially viable, there wouldn’t be a league. Stop complaining and start developing skills that are in high demand. Or, you know, grow 2 feet and get a jumpshot.

I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!

by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 8, 2008 6:40 AM PDT up 0 recs

technically...

the franchise’s value rises, but he’s not actually making a “profit” per se. my skill is answering questions that noone asked. btw russel peters is humorlarious. if you’re from the bay area..you probly know a filipino or two, check out rex navarrete. funny.

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by GameSix on Sep 9, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

He still makes fun of people

Maybe he’s an equal opportunity offender in that he jokes about all people, of all colors. Still doesn’t give him the right. What he does is deplorable, and I demand an apology. I’m sure Rex is just the same. Great, another person for me to hate.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 10, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up 0 recs

dam

he is dumb lol come on he used ab’s career ft% has he not seen him lately he works on his ft’s more than anybody and makes them, and if you notice im a proponent for him actually making the Techs. but monta 6 for 66 if he did not get hurt any team would give him way more than that. only one i think is overpaid on our team is corey maggette but if he plays like how he says he will i might change my mind (remember when we could of got him for dumbleaveme! which was kind of good that we didn’t cause we could of not got s jax and harrington) im not expecting much from this team this year though just be better than okc! and minesotta. there since i put my hopes down ill be more happy when we beat them yes!

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Sep 7, 2008 2:08 PM PDT 0 recs

Baron Davis???

by THIZZ-A-LOT on Sep 7, 2008 3:07 PM PDT 0 recs

ugh

i don’t wanna waste my time making a long post about how he’s wrong. i’ve been arguing with those kinds of people online about the warriors for so long, it’s getting hella frustrating now. lol.

by Five Ten Entertainment on Sep 7, 2008 3:33 PM PDT 0 recs

well the wizards have two in the top 5

by montadaboss on Sep 7, 2008 10:20 PM PDT 0 recs

we might have THREE – no one wants to mention Harrington’s contract? yeeesh

by playthegametherightway on Sep 11, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up 0 recs

Do Not Want Article!

So… the url had “foxnews” in it. That about did it for me. Whenever I see that, I’m just like… do not pass go, do not collect $200. I’d like to find out how much Kahn is paid to write this garbage.

by mattmonay on Sep 7, 2008 11:42 PM PDT 0 recs

How about Adonal Foyle

or Corey Maggette?

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by eshock on Sep 8, 2008 9:53 AM PDT 0 recs

Haha

seriously, they aren’t even the most overpaid players on our team.

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by olympicmike on Sep 8, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

Overpaid

Try Andrew Boguts new contract. He still has a long way to go.
Brian Cardinal anyone?

by I miss J-Rich on Sep 8, 2008 11:08 AM PDT 0 recs

these are basically all the new contracts. and that’s cause a 60 mil contract is a 20 mil contract to the players. i vote mike kahn for most overpaid writer in sports, hands down. agreed?

by CatchAndShoot on Sep 9, 2008 11:00 PM PDT 0 recs

On the Contrary...

According to John Hollinger all 3 deals were great value for the Warriors. He thinks that Biedrins could end up as the best value out of the three, calling him an up-and-coming star and stating that “keeping him for less than $10 million is a huge bargain.”

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=SummerWrap-080909

I know a lot of ppl don’t like Hollinger but I’m pretty sure he uses better logic than Mr. Kahn at least. I personally am a stats guy and I believe that Hollinger’s stat-based predictions and analysis prove to be accurate more often than not.

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by gsw4life on Sep 10, 2008 1:41 AM PDT 0 recs

Hollinger has his problem’s (projecting players, and scouting prospects), but he is excellent with some things—especially salary cap matters, and evaluating players already in the NBA. He is 10 thousand times the basketball thinker Kahn is.

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by haverecords on Sep 10, 2008 2:43 AM PDT up 0 recs

Werd.

Suggesting that that assclown Mike Kahn thinks is an insult to the verb.

I have no problem with his dissing the Warriors, but his “methodology,” such as it is, would make a 5 year-old blush. I especially love how he cites per game numbers without providing minutes played for context. That makes a whole ton of sense for a guy like James Posey, whose value as a role player and versatility as a defender should be obvious to anyone who watched even 5 minutes of last year’s NBA finals.

Meanwhile, while he seems to have never heard of PER, plus/minus, or win shares, he has a laughable fixation on FT percentage, which is about #29 on a list of metrics than anyone should give a fvck about. The only thing I can think is that he’s too lazy to look the important stuff up. His initial “assessment” of Josh Smith is especially hilarious:

At 6-9, 235 and with hops out of the gym, he has a solid enough career .703 free throw shooting percentage.

As others have pointed out here, there are scores of NBA players who are way more overpaid than anyone his list. Everyone on his list is a productive player, and most are borderline all-stars. Give me a starting five of

Monta
Iguodala
Josh Smith
Emeka Okafor
Biedrins

With Posey as sixth man, any day of the week. Now put that team against a bunch of rich schlubs like this (2008/09 salaries):

Stephon Marbury ($21.9M)
Rashard Lewis ($17.2M second year of a 6/$110M deal that escalates to $23.7M in 2012/13)
Antoine Walker ($10M — team option, but still..)
Zach Randolph ($14.7M)
Eddy Curry ($9.7M)

Remind me again why Mike Kahn has a job? Oh yeah, Foxsports…

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by Sleepy Freud on Sep 10, 2008 4:27 AM PDT up 0 recs

he cites per game numbers without providing minutes played and a laughable fixation on FT percentage

Sometimes the basics are best. I can recall recent years where FT % woulda won us a lot more games….. and total numbers per game are what they add up to determine the winner, not numbers per minute. A team who gives you a spectacular 20 minutes still hasta score more than a who plays a steady 48 minutes.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Sep 10, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up 0 recs

Your arguments are true...

But not counting the whole story. We could have won more games if we hadn’t missed a few FTs, true. But when evaluating players, you have to look at the whole. Would you rather have a player who plays good defense and blocks a ton of shots or would you rather have a guy who has no idea how to play defense but makes 90% FTs. It’s a give and take, and Sleepy’s point was that there are other more important metrics. You can easily cherry pick certain performances and games and say “here, this is a case where FTs would have won us more games” because they’re more noticable. It’s less easy to say “here’s a game where AB rebounded really, really well and we wouldn’t have won it without his performance there” or “In this game Jax did a great job denying Kobe the ball, that’s why we won that game”. FTs are more visible in the game and it’s real easy to see how makes/misses effect outcomes, especially in the 4th quarter.

Would you rather have:

Player A – 48 minutes – 22 points

Player B – 20 minutes – 15 points
Player C – 28 minutes – 10 points

I’d take the latter.

Raw numbers don’t mean anything. You have to compare things fairly. No system is going to be perfect, but a system that relies heavily on FT% and does not account for minutes (a big part of performance, you can’t put up numbers from the bench) is not a great system.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 10, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up 0 recs