Polling GSoM: Who won the 2007 Warriors-Pacers trade?
The year is 2007. Don Nelson and Warriors Nation (all 17 of us back then!) are understandably frustrated. The Warriors' roster is inherently flawed and there seems to be no way out of it with Chris Mullin foolishly locking the team into ludicrous long term deals with the likes of Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Adonal Foyle, and wasting lottery picks on Ike Diogu and Patrick O'Bryant. Something, anything needs to happen. Good god it was awful and even the hoops mastermind Nellie couldn't navigate this disaster to .500 ball.
BAM! On January 17, 2007 some how, some way the Pacers were douped into swallowing the outrageous Mullin gifted contracts of two flawed forwards who simply can't play together on the court because of their Charmin soft defense, 1 Mullin lottery bust, and a journeyman for what help lay the foundation for the We Believe movement in the Bay Area. I don't think I have to tell you what happened next.
Make the jump for a ride into the wayback machine and a look at where the 8 are at now and vote it up!
Flip back to the archives (writings and comments) about that trade. It's pretty entertaining- way more than this Unwatchable Baby! season.
- Trade: Dun, Murphy, Diogu, McLeod for Harrington, S. Jackson, Jasikevicius
- The Warriors & Pacers Blockbuster Trade: Throwing Up W's and L's
- Basketball Obituaries -- Mike Dunleavy Jr. 2002-2007
- Dad's got my back!
- Warriors Head Coach Don Nelson Talks about the Blockbuster Trade
- Warriors-Pacers Blockbuster Trade Linkfest
- A Little Pacer Perspective on the Blockbuster Trade
- New Warrior Al Harrington Talks about the Trade
- Everyone's Talking About the Trade!
- GSoM Q&A with Matt Steinmetz - 01/18/07 (Part 1 of 2)
- A Reality Check on the Blockbuster Trade between the Warriors and Pacers
- GSoM Q&A with Marcus Thompson II - 01/30/07 (Part 1 of 2)
- Jon Barry on the Warriors and Pacers Trade
- Simulation Analysis of the Warriors-Pacers Blockbuster Trade
2006-2007 Report Cards:
- Sarunas Jasikevicius (D+)
- Troy Murphy (D+)
- Mike Dunleavy Jr. (D-)
- Josh Powell (C)
- Ike Diogu and Keith "Who?" Mcleod (Double D+)
- Al Harrington (B)
- Stephen Jackson (A-)
2005-2006 Report Cards:
- Troy Murphy (C+)
- Ike Diogu (B-)
- Mike Dunleavy (D)
A quick look at the 8 players 2 years later:
- Troy Murphy: Still a cool cat who is posting up meaningless double-doubles nightly. I sometimes wonder about an Andris Biedrins-Troy Murphy 4-5 pairing. Both are terribly soft defenders, but offensively I'm sold on their inside-outside combo. Murph could draw out some of the bigs with him midrange and 3pt J and Biedrins could continue his sneaky putbacks and finishes under the radar. The defensive rebounding with these two would be... off the glass! (Only Warrior fans are delusional enough to think this sort of pairing is good. Talk about low standards!)
- Mike Dunleavy: Still a whiner who doesn't know the meaning of personal responsibility, but at least he's figured out how to put up meaningless stats on a losing team. Remember he'd routinely pollute the boxscore with 0's on mediocre Monty-coached Dubs teams, so this is somewhat of an accomplishment for this bust with a bad attitude who got unearned playing time and a fat contract because he was a Mullin pet.
- Ike Diogu: This lottery bust is currently riding the pine for the Portland Trail Blazers. Hakim Warrick would've been nice (my pick way back then). Danny Granger even better (chacabuco). Ike? Not much to like.
- Keith McLeod: Waived by the Dallas Mavericks back in October of this season.
- Al Harrington: His masterful defense in the post and 3pt shooting were a big reason the Dubs miraculously qualified for the 2007 season. After that spring it pretty much went downhill. Nellie rode him hard- probably too hard- and Al pouted his way to the Big Apple. It's too bad it didn't work out here for Harrington- he was a great guy in the community and by all accounts a really nice guy.
- Stephen Jackson: Who would've thought at the time of the trade, he'd be the best player of the 8? He's become a fan favorite in Oakland and aside from the turnovers and low rebounding totals, there isn't much the Warriors could have asked from Stephen. He has rehabbed his image and transformed into a really cool cat here in the Bay. Major props to him.
On the court Jack is an okay 3rd offensive option on a winning team. He makes a great 4th option and a fantastic 5th option (ask the San Antonio Snores). Too bad the Warriors roster has been so poorly managed and Monta became Moped Ellis he's been made into this team's #1 option. Equally unfortunate because Warriors President Robert Rowell doesn't have clue, Jack was given a big unnecessary extension to past summer handicapping this team's cap number for years, possibly triggered by overpaying Corey Maggette in the offseason. - Sarunas Jasikevicius: Simply not athletic enough for the NBA and out of the league. Ever wonder what he would be if Nellie mistakenly played him more back in 2007? See Belinelli, Marco in 2009- and that's not a good thing. Despite his lack of NBA-ness, NO ONE can deny his fantastic cheering from the bench during We Believe. That was some legendary stuff.
- Josh Powell: Currently starting for the LA Fakers because of injuries. I project him to be a journeyman in this league for a long time. Powell's a solid 10th-12th man. Nothing less, nothing more.
Corey Maggette: "Is this guy seriously about to airball a layup?"
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Dun using his "smarts" on this fantastic box-out!
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Dunleavy showing off his improved man-to-man D.
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Dun taking it up "strong".
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Corey: "No seriously man- what are you doing?"
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Danny Granger is the real deal
And it was fun to watch Dunleavy chuck that last three pointer after being booed all night. Hopefully Marco will return soon, he was playing a good game… and I still don’t know why Anthony Randolph got his production capped. He’s in the NBA… where Don Nelson happens, I guess.
All your base are belong to us
by Deimos24 on Jan 12, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Riiiiight... this isn't the recap.
Ignore/delete comment much?
All your base are belong to us
by Deimos24 on Jan 12, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
was that a disguised dig at Marco? Not sure I caught that..
He’s not that athletic, but I would say he has a MUCH brighter future than Dun-fail. He shoots, he passes, he moves without the ball, and he has toughness (see his defense on Kobe).
by bebopmonkey on Jan 12, 2009 1:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not really disguised
And how is he not athletic? He might not be explosive but he has a lot of athletic gifts. Certainly he is not slow like Jasikevicius and their games are nothing alike. Very superficial analysis
by SFzig on Jan 12, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly he is not slow like Jasikevicius and their games are nothing alike.
Right, Cabbages was pretty smooth, I don’t recall him ever playing crashball? He was slower cause he watched where he was going.
Till I get free
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Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 12, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
not in the NBA… but he could run the pick and roll.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jan 12, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he was and still is one of the greatest PG in the world
and BTW great teammate
-he was not getting enough PT to prove himself
vs Bulls
Jasikevicius -Hate me
Jasikevicius no look pass
and ocourse Sarunas vs USA
the main reason why he plays in Europe right now IMO is that he can get better contract there -but otherwise he is NBA level player
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by Lat We N Trash on Jan 12, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong...
I liked Sarunas. I said then and now that he was a very effective pick and roll point guard and outside shooter, but he was not fast enough to get to the rim in the NBA. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t have been an effective player in the NBA in the right system with the right team. Just not the run n’ gun W’s team he was traded to. I also suspect he played his best years overseas. I know I was always very impressed with him in international play and it seemed like it took him forever to come over to the states.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jan 13, 2009 1:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention...
He had a hard time guarding NBA pg’s.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jan 13, 2009 1:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with everything you said here
just wanted to mention this guy got awards for a reason
Spanish League Finals MVP 2003
2003 European Championship MVP
Mister Europa Player of the Year 2003
Euroleague 2004-05 Final Four MVP
35 Greatest Euroleague Players 2008
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by Lat We N Trash on Jan 13, 2009 2:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
get to the rim?
He was so good that he din’t need to get to the rim.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 13, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We won the trade definetly,
It was too bad that the front office was in such disaray and they thought getting JCrawford for Al was a good move. If we could of flipped Al for the expiring contract of Malik Rose and first rounder, the trade would be even more imbalanced toward us.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Jan 12, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It seems like in every post I write something like
‘Too bad the front office is in such disaray’ or something along those line, Im going to have to make that my new sig…
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Jan 12, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a passing thought…
Is/was Murphy really that bad that he deserves to be grouped with Dunleavy (i.e. Dunmurphy, Murphleavy, et al) everywhere on GSoM post Pacers trade? I’m not the biggest Troy Murphy fan, but I thought he did some things well here; at least enough to separate himself from Dunleavy.
Dunleavy’s shortcomings are well documented and I wholeheartedly agree with the prevailing assessment of his game here in Oakland. In contrast, Murphy averaged a double-double in 3 different seasons, could stretch the defense, and was a fairly solid 4 overall. I know that he got pretty soft inside, was given a ridiculous contract (not quite as bad as Dunleavy or Foyle though), and allegedly sat out to stay at 10 rpg in 05-06. Still, I don’t think he hurt the Warriors on the court (nor was his salary as unjustified) as much as Mike Dunleavy.
For what it’s worth, Foyle was a disaster once Nellie got here, however, for whatever reason nobody has quite the animosity toward Foyle as they do for Murphy. Why is that? Is it because the guy went to Colgate? Because his salary is still counting against the cap, yet when I talk to people about Foyle they tend to laugh and not express the anger and animosity that both Murphy and Dunleavy inspire.
My guess about Dunmurphy is that it’s just a consequence of being traded together, but if that’s the case, why not throw in Ike? We wasted a top ten pick on him (and wouldn’t throw him in for Garnett, right?)
Anyways, I always look to the posts here for insight, so I’m interested to hear anyone’s thoughts on the matter.
Go Warriors!
by All That Glitters on Jan 12, 2009 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nailed it on the head
murphleavy, dunmurphy…just happens to be because they were traded together. If you watched the game last night, no one really booed Murphy much if at all.
Foyle…eh, actually thats a tough one. He appeared to try harder because he was so fat and slow, which many of us confused with him giving 110%. I, uh, got nothin on that one.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Jan 12, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zorgon
Without him defending Adonal…Adonal is a cool guy I remember meeting him in Downtown.
Walks around…Adonal? Adonal!
Adonal turns around HI!
Hey take a picture?
No its too cold…nah its ok
Shakes hand stands next to him
Man its freezing
Sweet thanks…uh good luck this year?
Adonal was also a pretty good person in regards to politics he was on C-Span once talking about stuff…
If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh
by StephenO4 on Jan 12, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My animosity for Dunleavy comes from......
the expectations we had for him. For a #3 overall pick in the draft, he has been nothing but a HUGE dissapointment. Foyle at least played his heart out every minute he was in there, and although his contract was stupid, you didn’t feel as angry as you felt when Dunleavy was given his.
by nuttinbutnet on Jan 12, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunleavy, Murphy, Diogu
Dunleavy – A lot of people point to him being picked #3 as a reason to hate him. That shouldn’t matter. The reason to hate on him was that he was a coach’s son who was brought in to be able to handle the ball and shoot well. As a coach’s son, you expect him to have developped fundamentals such as mental toughness and free throw shooting. He did none of these, he shot poorly, had no handles, missed free throws and would shrink (even smaller) in any big moments (we all saw this last night). From time to time he would pad his stats during blowouts or the final games of a season 20 games below .500 and fool some people into thinking he was turning the corner, but then along comes the fourth quarter in a tight game and he would go from bad to worse.
Murphy – A double double average!! He has to be good, right? No. I don’t know if this came through on tv as well as it did live, but he was a terrible rebounder. He only put up those numbers because he was always on the outside getting rebounds that normally guards would be fighting for. So, great, he stole rebounds from our guards (bringing down their numbers) and rarely got any boards inside. Any time he had position inside (already a rarity) he would tip the ball to himself, which, in college when you’re 5 inches taller than the next guy is great, in the NBA against 7 footers and guys with 50 inch verticals? usually ends up in the hands of the other team. His outside game was pretty good – but, when you’re a Power Forward you need to have an inside game and he didn’t have on offense or defense (won’t even get into that one).
Diogu – We missed out on Granger in this draft, but we also passed on Gerald Green and didn’t draft Channing Frye ( I know he got snatched from us). He was an undersized PF, but he did have some hustle and a decent jumper. His potential + 2 more white guys for Idiana (seriously, did you see their bench last night??) + Indy desperately trying to dump StackJack led to the trade. I don’t really know if we had anyone else that we could have offered to Indy that would have gotten the trade done without taking any of our key guys. He’s had a lot of bad breaks with injuries and logjams at the position, can’t hate on him for that.
Foyle – Dude got a big contract, but can’t blame him for that. He was just unfortunate to come into his prime in a league that had no place for slow lumbering big men. Mully messed up on this one, but ten years before, Foyle would have been quite valuable – chalk that one up to Mully’s inexperience and still looking at the game from his playing days. Foyle hustled and at least brought a good attitude, which is more than I can say for the DunMurphy Sisters.
As a player, you don’t control which position you got drafted in, or how much money a team throws at you, but you do get to show your skill, heart, hustle and attitude on the court. Dunleavy failed at all of these, Murphy failed at some, and didn’t really excel at anything else. Diogu and Foyle at least had heart and good attitude – that’s why I will applaud those guys, and mercilessly boo Dunleavy and groan when Murphy is on the court.
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Jan 12, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Foyle
was never hated because he is the greatest player in the NBA and the nicest guy on the planet!
Admittedly, I applied to Colgate….just because Adonal Foyle went there. Well, not just because of that, but I would have never heard of it otherwise.
But anyway, its sad that I never get to see him play more than 2 minutes anymore. I remember the days when he started over Andris Biedrins….one game in 05-06, they said Biedrins was starting, and I was like, “Oh no!” Luckily, Mike Montgomery changed his mind and Adonal started. Good times.
But now I’m rambling. Anyway, realistically, he’s a good backup Power Forward. He’s completely ineffective if he has no other big man helping him. One day, the Thunder announcers harped on him because they thought he won the award for, “Worlds oldest man.” What losers. So that’s why he railed under Nelson’s system.
Oops, I rambled again.
Link to the complete dialogue of Foyle Hate: http://www.blueblitz.net/20081206148/articles/december-2008/game-20-recap-magic-98-thunder-89.html
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by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HOLD UP
Jack was the 3rd option on the championship Spurs in only his 2nd full season… He won a playoff series (leading a 6-seed over a 3) in Indiana as the #1 option…
Anyone who watched basketball aside from their favorite team knew he was better than Harrington, who is a one-dimensional scorer and still doesn’t have Jack’s career PPG. I don’t get these misconceptions – they lack any sort of logic and factual evidence.
Jack has never been a 4th or 5th option, BTW. Don’t forget he was the #2 during the ‘We Believe’ run…
by ajbry on Jan 12, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good point...
He was the 3rd option on that Spurs team. I don’t think he was the 3rd most important player on the team but by definition he was the 3rd option offensively with the third highest FGAs per game on the team. I don’t think a lot of people realize that.
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by olympicmike on Jan 12, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of overall impact, it probably went Duncan, Robinson, Parker, Jackson
Although I think both Parker and Jack were major x-factors, as Steve Kerr stated only a few months ago… There is pretty sizable legion of Spurs fans who say Jack was very important because not only was he a scorer but he brought intangibles that other players simply don’t.
by ajbry on Jan 12, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's debatable...
and the simple fact that it’s debatable makes him more important to that team than most people here give him credit for.
And just for fun, I think that Bowen deserves to be in the conversation despite his low ppg because he consistently brought high level defense and excellent 3pt shooting which helped to space the floor for Duncan.
And don’t forget about Speedy Claxton in the finals! Ok, that one was a joke. (though he did play well enough while everyone was watching to fool us into signing him)
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jan 12, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree this OP is off on many points
JAX is a 3rd option easily on a good team and he can play defense
by SFzig on Jan 12, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone have a video
of jamals game winner?
by gorillas on Jan 12, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dunleavy gets alot of hate
People wanted him to be alot at the #3 pick overall, but in truth he is like Steve Nash. Great with great talent around him. Unfortunately he never had that. Now he is with Danny Granger and had a solid year last year. This year I think this was his 3rd game?
I know what you are getting at, the Warriors are losing, not a ton of hope ( for those LA fans anyways.. ) and you need something creative to post about…. but ragging on someone who nearly had knee ending surgery on their 3rd or 4th ( I think ) game back is just lame.
Are we better off with Mike Dunleavy? No, we picked up the NON PASSING version of him in Al Harrington. Troy Murphy? NOW THERE YOU GOT AN ARGUMENT.
Why does Troy always get a pass? NOW THAT DUDE is the WORST OF ALL TIME. HORRIBLE. Post pictures on him, and you sir are a HERO!
Dunleavy is like the Britney Spears jokes, although great at one point, they’ve peaked and are now useless like Old McDonald’s monopoly stickers you were saving to win 1,000,000 dollars!
by sjboy on Jan 12, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nothing like Steve Nash
in terms of basketball. You are correct that both are of European decent
by SFzig on Jan 12, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How in the world
Can anyone actually say the Pacers won in that trade. Its not like Dunleavy and Murphy changed the environment in Indiana, if anything they made it worse. They actually helped turn a loyal fan base into one of the worse in the league. Its amazing how much worse and how many less fans attend games in Indiana. Dunmurphey can keep getting there stats over there and keep losing and missing the playoffs, like they seem destined to do.
by pbra17 on Jan 12, 2009 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I tried to do this in a simple fan post two days ago and you guys took it down. Now it gets front page
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 12, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/167/383083916_4b1030fb65.jpg?v=0
this is a pic of him getting kicked in the face.
by duballers23 on Jan 12, 2009 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
we all know that pic
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Jan 12, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like Troy
Murphy was a great guy on the Warriors, Dunleavy was the vagina.
Dunleavy had all the chances in the world to succeed in Golden State. We traded Jamison to give him more playing time, we gave him a great contract, he’s been through a couple coaches and hasn’t been able to succeed in all those situations. The 06-07 season was obviously an amazing year for the Warriors, one of the crazy things we saw that season was when Matt Barnes was outperforming Mike Dunleavy.
I was a big supporter of Ike Diogu back then, too. Never really thought he sucked, he was just a young kid that needed some drive and determination. When he got traded to Indiana, I ended up getting too lazy to follow him game by game so I just told myself that Ike better be hella good in 2-3 seasons. Keith McLeod, meh, I don’t really care about him.
Sarunas Jasikevicius was a big disappointment for me. I thought he would thrive in Nellie’s system; some white guy that can shoot who was surrounded by an offensive juggernaut of guards in his team to pass to. He ended up being how Marcus Williams is right now, just riding the bench; except the difference is that Sarunas actually got a chance to play whenever the Warriors needed someone to come in the end of the game to make clutch free throws.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 12, 2009 7:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sarunas also looked like he was always happy to be there, a la Rony. Marcus is invisible during games.
by rjnarayen on Jan 12, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
When the Warriors first traded for Williams I got so excited. I thought Marcus would blossom while Monta is out and would be a great NBA story.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 13, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Warriors until they resigned Jackson
I think that trade was addition by subtraction and worked well for “the run,” but I think that Harrington is a flawed, role player who thinks he’s a star and Jackson is a flawed, role player who should be the 4th best player on the team and not the leader/ball controller.
They need to build on players who play to their role/ability and find some way to land the stud PF or the PG who will control the game, distributing the ball and not chucking up 1000’s of 3’s without initiating the office.
As for the comment on the Ike draft, not to be a bandwagon jumper, but I was pulling for Granger in that draft as I didn’t see a productive “big” for the warriors…
by Warrior fan since 1985 on Jan 12, 2009 9:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OK Atma
i understand -you hate Mike Dunleavy
i agree -he sucks
but anyway -it’s 2009 now -this is getting old
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by Lat We N Trash on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I remember when....
I LIKED Mike Dunleavy. Mainly because I didn’t know how he was off-the-court, but man, those must have been scary times.
No matter the record or where the players go, by all ways and accounts the Warriors got the two better players, hands down. The only reason this trade ever went down is:
A) The Warriors were desperate to get rid of the contracts
B) The Pacers were desperate to get rid of the players who were known as “bad influences”
Just goes to show that gambles on potentially dangerous players can pay huge dividends. Sure, Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy are “safe”, but they both aren’t ever going to start for a winning team. Onjje might be a 4th or 5th man, but that’s it.
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