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Rebounding is a Serious Issue

I think it's time for the Warriors' front office to address the fact that we seriously need a rebounder / banger on this team. At this point, it's just getting ridiculous. We're losing games over and over just because we are getting out-rebounded and it's becoming redundant.

The only person rebounding on this team is literally Biedrins and occasionally Azubuike and Maggette. Randolph can rebound but Nellie is so stubborn that he won't even play Randolph for many minutes.

We have the pieces to become a really good team, but the lack of a rebounder is just killing us. We're shooting 45% or higher every game, yet we still lose because the other team is getting so many more shots and second chance points.

Salmons' last shot at the end of the 3rd overtime basically summed up our entire season. If we could have just grabbed the ball after Martins' miss, we might have had a chance to win it. But of course, Salmons' ended up getting the offensive rebound and ended up with the second chance shot which went in and won the game for the Kings'.

Along with free throws, our rebounding was a disgrace tonight's game (even though the stats don't really show it). Like Fitz' said the Kings are the 26th (something like that) in the league in rebounding, which is not good at all. Yet somehow, Brad Miller gets a career-high 22 rebounds, John Salmons gets 14, Jason Thompson gets 9, etc. We were much better in the second half of the game, but the first half (especially first quarter) was almost unbearable to watch.

Basically, I'm not just sick of losing, but I'm sick of losing in the exact same way we lost the last game. Mullin or somebody in the front office needs to address this problem because it's becoming more serious game after game after game.

In my personal opinion (and I'm sure a majority of you guys' feel this way too), it was a STUPID decision to waive Hendrix because that guy could rebound. I mean we chose freaking DeMarcus Nelson, Jermareo Davidson, and Rob Kurz over Hendrix. Just think about that...

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so are turnovers, injuries, overload of guards the front office...

it was a heartbreaker! in my opinion, the fish rots from the head down! so its simply more then just rebounding… just my opinion!!!

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by gogomaplata on Jan 14, 2009 11:35 PM PST reply actions  

yeah i feel you

our front office is an absolute mess right now and that needs to be fixed asap. but I think if we could somehow acquire a rebounder (someone that isn’t skinny… for once) it would benefit us much more than we would think. i was hoping turiaf could fill that void, but like everyone knows, he looks more to block shots than rebound…

by gorillas on Jan 14, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

plus

rebounding has always been an issue when it came to the warriors…even from the “we believe” era. dont get me wrong, i’m not just judging from this game…but it proves to be an incessant problems through out this season in particular and seems to be a major factor in why we lose games.

by gorillas on Jan 14, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

hendrix

you’re right about hendrix being a rebounder but word is that his basketball IQ isn’t that high. he was having a hard time remembering the sets, rotations, plays and all the other stuff. so putting him on the court will only hurt the team more than help. as for davidson, he showed more than hendrix in the d-league because of his well rounded game.

by Somar on Jan 18, 2009 2:14 AM PST up reply actions  

We have the pieces on the squad to be a decent rebounding squad. Monta is a good rebounder for a PG, and he’s returning soon. Morrow’s a surprisingly good rebounder. Maggette is decent, just not as a PF. Turiaf would be okay as a PF, absolutely horrible as a C and the only big man on the floor. Wright and Randolph are good rebounders at PF.

We just need to stop playing our guards at the forwards spots and our forwards at the center spot and we’ll be fine.

by YaHeard on Jan 14, 2009 11:40 PM PST reply actions  

i see what you mean

but sometimes “here and there” just isnt enough. it would be more effective if we could just get a player that solely focuses on rebounding purposes and nothing more. plus we need more bulk in the paint. we can’t even play biedrins and wright / randolph together cause it surrenders to much open space in the key.

by gorillas on Jan 14, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

we can’t even play biedrins and wright / randolph together cause it surrenders to much open space in the key.

 Maybe we can get three sumo wrestlers?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 15, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

And walk up and down the court after 2mins? They probably won’t even move after awhile and be called for 3 Sec violation over and over.

by Darkness on Jan 16, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely disgusted

This loss hurt more than most. Even with all our injuries we should have handled this team at home. We give up a career night in rebounds to refuse like Brad Miller (+ 30 pts.!) and John Salmons then there is little hope. Unfortunately this team is not built to rebound and that won’t improve with this roster. I am really beginning to doubt that we’ll reach the 20 win mark this season.

by Jeffo on Jan 14, 2009 11:53 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah,

That didn’t make any sense to waive Hendrix. Maybe we can still get him back but the hard thing about it is that Nellie won’t put him in the game. He won’t bring them in unless they are reliable and proven but we do really need his muscle. The rebounding edge this game was only 5 so the two keys to losing this game in particular were players fouling out and free throws When one team goes 35 of 36 from the line and the other goes 25 of 41 that is easily the difference in this game. But if you were to ask me one thing we could cure about the Warriors, it would def be the rebounding that usually doesn’t keep us in/ win games.

Be yourself, because everybody else has been taken.

by The Dedication on Jan 15, 2009 12:05 AM PST reply actions  

INdeed

Had maggs made one ft more, the game would have been over in regulation. I blame the ft shooting more than rebounding.

The foul trouble was because we are out 4 starters, plus the current starters had to play a lot more than usual.

The loss was a combination of problems. Turiaf needs to rebound more, maggs can rebound better!

by mosdl on Jan 15, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

i dont get why

randolph wasnt in more….he was a BEAST in the 3rd OT rebounding and hustling…as he usually is in the few min he gets in

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by LostHawk on Jan 15, 2009 1:58 AM PST reply actions  

because Nellie hates rookies

Nelson is and will forever be known as the “Rookie Hater”! If Randolph ends up with another team later on down the line and he’s playing outstanding basketball…..blame it on old fat boy Nelson himself!

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by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 15, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Barnett made a good point on KNBR this morning.

He said Nellie puts his trust in Anthony Morrow at times and plays him more than AR. Morrow is an undrafted Rookie.

But even with that said, I still don’t understand his decisions alot of times.

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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jan 15, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Morrow

Also attended four full years at an ACC university and is almost 4 years older than Rudolph.

If Rudolph were 23 rather than 19, I’m sure Nellie would be a lot more willing to let him guide the sleigh.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jan 15, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Nellie puts his trust in Anthony Morrow at times

 Cause Morrow is a natural born baller . No drama just More-O (and a lot of rebounds) I love this kid.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 15, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Rebounding is a very big key for us

Rebounding should definitely not be only one mans responsibilty. it should be a team effort to crash the boards. The coaches need to try and teach rebounding techniques. Emphasize boxing out and communication when rebounding. I don’t see a lack of energy when it comes to tracking down board, a lot of times, it’s the lack of communication when it comes to securing a rebound. I like to see everyone going for the boards but i think when the ball is up for grabs, a player has to know his role in each situation. Whoever’s closest to the ball should try and grab it while the others try and box out there man. They can’t stand around and watch. There is always something you can do on the floor. The rebounding has been pitiful to say the very least.

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by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 15, 2009 10:10 AM PST reply actions  

gorillas

I agree with you on Hendrix. I wanted to see what he could do for us because I liked what I saw when he played for us in the preseason.

oh wells.

Romes Mac Mojous

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jan 15, 2009 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

WINNING IS AN ISSUE.

I'm going to get banned for all these mindless comments.

by CatchAndShoot on Jan 15, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions  

And... another key is...

Scoring more points than the other team…. for all I care we could be out rebounded 50 to 0, if we win the game.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Jan 16, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

a win's a win

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by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 16, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

a win's a win

 unless it drops you from the lottery in which case it’s many future losses

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 17, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s true, but rebounding helps you outscore the other team. If you get offensive rebounds, you prevent the other team from making defensive stops. You can fire up bad shot after bad shot. Eventually something will drop. If you get defensive rebounds, you’ve made a defensive stop. Without the defensive boards, you can get teams to fire up bad shot after bad shot, but if they keep getting the ball back, eventually, they’ll score. Without rebounds you have to rely on turnvovers to secure stops. The Warriors managed that last year, but it’s the rare team that can do that.

For practical purposes, every additional rebound you get works out to saving your team one point that it either wouldn’t have scored without the rebound or would have given up without the rebound.

by jae on Jan 17, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Lets Face it

Nellie likes small ball so Scoring>Rebounding any day.

by Darkness on Jan 16, 2009 6:39 PM PST reply actions  

alright look at this now

we out-rebound the hawks and we win….haha

by gorillas on Jan 16, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

Let's face facts about small ball - once and for all

Nelson didn’t play small ball when he had rosters with GOOD tall players (ala Dallas) and has reverted to “small ball” out of necessity. Even his Bucks teams had big players despite using the “point forward” concept because they lacked a competent PG. Nelson adapts to his talent. Last year we had only two bigs Nelson could play – Andris and Al – so he went small more often. At the moment we have only two bigs who can play – Andris and Ronny.

We saw a brief evolution of small ball when the Dubs used “euro-ball” style – driving and kicking out or dishing inside – while we had players like Marco and KAz who were suited to it. We got hit so bad by injuries that even that isn’t effective with only one player on the floor who can play that way.

Nelson is to blame, at least partially, for leaving us with a roster full of guards as a result of the Harrington debacle (both the player-coach conflict and agreeing to the Crawford trade). Rather than blame him for playing small, we should understand that we have no choice right now – particularly with Wright out also. We don’t like this roster, neither does he to be sure.

At least he has talked Maggette into accepting the 6th man role for now – when everyone’s healthy. Personally I’d rather see Crawford in that role, but it doesn’t much matter right now one way or the other cuz we’re going to have to play small … until the roster gets retooled.

by hardcore on Jan 17, 2009 12:34 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

You're fighting an uphill battle, expecting people to think critically.

Didn’t you know that “Nellie Ball” means a bunch of guards who launch a ton of threes and a PF who does nothing but spots up for three pointers? C’mon, get with it. Your so called “evidence” that for most of his career he didn’t rely on 30 three point attempts a night means nothing. Nellie won’t be happy until he’s got 4 guards and a no rebounding, spot up three point shooting center firing up 25 footers. (Hey! Let’s get Bargnani! He’s PERFECT for Nellie Ball.)

by jae on Jan 17, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice post...

You make some really great points.

My only issue with Nelson this year has been the lack of playing time for Wright. But even there I can see the argument for the other side.

I also agree about Crawford as the 6th man.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jan 17, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

the lack of playing time for Wright

up til he got hurt, thought Nelson was stretching BW’s minutes consistently after the Harrington debacle – we NEED Wright to develop now if we’re to have ANY chance of playoffs – - next year or thereafter

by hardcore on Jan 17, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Rather than blame him for playing small, we should understand that we have no choice right now –

 So we CAN blame him for getting into the position of no choice? He’s had three seasons to build the team into something else so my opinion is this is what he wants.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 17, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

So we CAN blame him for getting into the position of no choice?

ya, don’t see how to avoid that – even Nelson-apologists have to admit that he and Mullin have had the time to make a move for a PF. Those apologists would point to the swing and miss at KG, the CWebb II adventure, etc. but the fact is Harrington was the only big man they brought in who stuck and Nelson didn’t manage that relationship effectively … trying to resurrect Webber last season, rather than use the TPE, was a shame when we recall just how close we came to getting into the playoffs … and, to agree further – the Crawford & Jackson decisions have all but tied our hands for some time to come …

by hardcore on Jan 17, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

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