Trades We Need to Think About
by Somar on Jan 17, 2009 11:25 PM PST
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Its late Saturday night and I was just thinking about whats wrong with our team and why we can't win. and then it dawned on me. we have to many players that want to be a star and score a lot of points. I look back at teams that was loaded with stars like the Lakers that included the Mailman and Glove. Dallas that had Walker, Jamison,
Raef in his prime. they didn't win. The same goes for the dubs. so knowing that, here are a few role players that I would love to see in a Warriors uni before the trade deadline on Feb. 19, 2009. I do not think we need to get anymore super stars because we already have Monta, Andris and Jack. We just need players I will fit nicely with them. Here are some of the players I think that will help us out without cramping anyone's style:
Tayshaun Prince- Poor mans Pippen. Long, plays great D and does not need the ball in his hands to make a difference. can guard point guards to power forwards. can adjust to any system meaning run and gun or half court.
Vladimir Radmanovic- Pretty good role player for the team I really hate but he's having trouble finding his rhythm with them and I read a few days ago that they don't mind trading away his contract. He was really fun to watch when he was with the Sonics because he can really light it up from the outside for a guy that's almost 7' tall.
Tony Battie- One guy that will never be a star but will give you toughness, rebounds, and other stuff that does not show on the stat sheet. known as a great locker room guy. someone every young team needs.
Louis Amundson- Who? a lot of people does not know this back up center for the Suns but this guy is a white version of Ronnie. he brings it everytime he's on the court and he's slowly getting more and more mins over Robin Lopez.
Joel Przybilla- can never have enough young big men that rebounds and blocks shots
Ronnie Brewer- Similar to Tashaun Prince. can defend multiple positions and brings a lot of energy.
Mike James- He was a fantastic back up point on the Pistons championship team. When he left, he tough too highly of his game. If he can understand his role once again, he can be a great addition to any team.
what do you guys think? are there any other players that should be on this list?
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i understand what you mean by
having too many scorers on the team, which may settle a conflict when monta returns. but if maggs, jack, monta, and jamal are willing to shave off a few points on their stats and not be too selfish.. i think it could work out.
as for the candidates you have chosen:
-prince is untouchable right now.
-radmonovic is just straight up garbage.
-tony battie would be okay, but hes a solid backup center already for the magic.
-amundson played on the warriors’ summer league and did decent…he was a good energy player
-pryzbilla is untouchable (almost everyone on the blazers’ is)
-brewer is pretty inconsistent and can be really hot or cold
-we dont need another guard (mike james)
by gorillas on Jan 17, 2009 11:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
essentially
i think we should just stick with this lineup for the rest of the season and see how it plays out. the more this team plays together, the more chemistry they will develop.
by gorillas on Jan 17, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Keeping the team for the time being is sounding better all the time
This team isn’t put together well enough to be a contender, yet were not as far off as our record would indicate. In the beginning for the season all I wanted was to get Maggette out but we need to make sure that the team is set up for the long run. I think that we could have a much better team next year if we let the team get healthy and come together so that we can make intelligent moves in the offseason.
by T-Money on Jan 18, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you think
that the Stephen Jackson is a superstar? You think Ronnie Brewer and Tayshaun Prince aren’t as good as Jackson? That’s just plain incorrect.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 17, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
no..there not..
they do great other things..but jack is good at everything, he just needs to reel itt in. i wwuld take jack over tayshauna nd ronnie any day
by gswfan1 on Jan 17, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
im not picking those 2 over jack either. im just saying that it would be nice to see one of those 2 guys play next to jack because they can do a lot of other things than score which is what the warriors need because they already have tons of scorers. if you look at the Spurs, they dont collect a whole bunch of stars. they get players that can play with their big 3. a good example is when they gave up Scola because they said he don’t mesh with Duncan but yet they have Bonner in the line up starting next to him instead. You can’t win without those other players that bring those little intangibles to the table. that’s just how it works in basketball
by Somar on Jan 18, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea ask the Spurs if they wouldnt like to have Scola back.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 18, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't human realize
for every bad, there’s a good? (Well that’s the WAY it should go)
For every time one of you boys/girls/humans/fans post something, don’t you just learn from them? (i know I certainly do)
See, there’s a win right there.
by Shells on Jan 18, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are missing the point.
The Spurs are good because they have 3 legit superstars. The Lakers won because they had two legit HOF’s in Shaq and Kobe, same with Miami, and Chicago all those years. The only team to win a championship without a likely HOF’er was the Detroit Pistons. Although each one of the Pistons starters had been in atleast one All-Star game with the exception of Tayshaun Prince (who does have 4 All-Defensive Second Team Awards).
Superstars is what wins in this league. Right now I believe we have questionably one
superstar in Monta Ellis. Everyone else is a role player right now.
I agree that we have a lot of scorers, but what we lack is enough highly efficient scorers. And as talented as Maggette is, he’s a perennial loser. He has the scoring instincts, but lacks the defensive desire and willingness to spread the ball around. We won’t ever be a championship contender if our top 3 scorers all shoot sub 40% with no inside-low post presence.
All the players you suggest, although interesting and serviceable on any team, don’t fit with what we need right now. I’d rather us go for the home run player even if that means giving up one of our more valuable players than unloading Jack, Craw or Maggs for another team’s player (who will most likely not be as good and on a worse contract).
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jan 18, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brewer-no, but Prince is a better all around player than Stephen Jackson. What is it exactly that you think Jackson does better than Prince? Turn the ball over? Jack up ill advised 3’s? Not to mention the fact that Prince’s contract isnt nearly as ugly.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 18, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good at everything? Jax is not good at rebounding. He’s not good at scoring efficiently. He’s at times been a bit above average as a long range shooter, but other times a bit below average.
Seriously, I realize that Jax came here and helped dilute the memories of the Dunleavy pick, that he played real well and did stuff that shows up beyond the stat sheet, but he’s getting a treatment like he’s a far, far better player than he is.
by jae on Jan 18, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
When will you poeple relaize that one the biggest thngs Capt. jack gives us
is toughness and a swagger. Hell when we had Murphleavy we were the softest team in the league. With Jackson NO ONE messes with us and we have a certain toughness to us. Just possesing that attribute is enough to like Jack.
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 18, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was that intended to come off as sarcastic?
No one messes with us? Other teams have had their way with us 29 times already this season…….. Swagger and toughness mean poop when youre a horrible team. Thank goodness the raiders have those cool black and silver uniforms and a bad boy reputation, who cares that theyre horrible when they have swagger?
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 18, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We're 'messed with' almost nightly.
I’ve looked at the NBA rules and I cannot seem to find how many points you get for “swagger.” I’m more interested in winning than swagger. Swagger when you’re as bad as the Warriors is false bravado.
by jae on Jan 18, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He probably said that cause’ Jackson’s a Blood. hahaha, not based on basketball play of course.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jan 18, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jack gets the guys to believe in themselves, and gets them to have some pride in how they play. Not that it has translated to the court, but it’s important nonetheless.
by rjnarayen on Jan 18, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are the Warriors running a self-actualization and personal empowerment operation for NBA players on the side?
If it’s not translated onto the court, how exactly is it important?
by jae on Jan 18, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It hasn't translated to the court
because we’re playing a bunch of guys who aren’t that good. When Jax was with the Spurs and the Pacers, his teammates loved playing with him. He brings toughness, intensity, and he’s not going to back down, and all three of those are contagious. What he brings to the team (besides his on-court production) is definitely important. You’ll see it translate more when we’re playing our lineup at full strength.
by rjnarayen on Jan 18, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They clearly aren’t that contagious.
You say that it’s important. You have not done much to support that it is important other than saying it is.
by jae on Jan 18, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Are the Warriors running a self-actualization and personal empowerment operation for NBA players on the side?
If they are, they suck at that too. But Marcus Williams thanks you for rubbing it in.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 18, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you know what else gives you swagger?
winning streaks. big wins. a winning record. basically, winning.
by amhd388 on Jan 18, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who would we trade for tayshaun...maggs?
i dont tihnk they want a crap player for a 2008 Team USA member
by gswfan1 on Jan 17, 2009 11:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
actually
I’d say the problem is more that we dont have ANY superstars on this team.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 18, 2009 12:26 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
did you really just compare Jackson, Maggette, Crawford, and Monta to GP, Kobe, Mailman, and Shaq? Guess what our 4 aint exactly future hall of famers
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 18, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
of course not
those guys are not proven yet except for jack because he already has a ring but im just trying to make a point that a bunch of stars cant win.
by Somar on Jan 18, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you
know has a ring 4 actually John Salley
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Jan 18, 2009 4:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A few things wrong with this point
1. Citing one or two examples doesn’t prove much.
2. The examples you cite aren’t good ones. The Malone and Payton that joined the Lakers were shells of their former selves. And the Mavs example is laughable: Antoine Walker and Raef Lafrentz? If they were ever superstars, there are roughly 134 superstars playing in the NBA right now.
3. Sure: a bunch of stars “can’t win.” How did Kobe’s Lakers do when they added a prime Shaq? Or MJ’s Bulls when they added Pippen, and then Rodman? Or Bird’s Celtics when they added McHale, Parish, DJ, Walton? Or Kobe’s Lakers when they added Gasol? Or Pierce’s Celtics when they added stars KG and Allen…?
4. With the exception of Prince, and possibly Przybilla, there’s nobody on your list who’s an upgrade over our current rotation players. Most of them are downgrades. And none of them are taking us anywhere near a championship.
5. You fail to indicate how we’re going to acquire any of these guys. I mean, as long as we’re just fantasizing, how ‘bout adding CP3, Wade, LeBron, and Dwight Howard, and slotting Biedrins in at power forward? I’ll bet you both left and right nut that that team, despite its profusion of superstars, would win multiple championships.
5. As sam23 says, the problem is that have no superstars on this team, not that we have too many. As was pointed out in a nearly identical “we need glue guys!” diary a few weeks back, a true superstar tends to make your assorted wannabe stars and riffraff look mighty gluey. You don’t think Maggs, Craw and Jack, if they were getting their asses kicked in practice daily by MJ in his prime, would fall into line as glue guys?
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 18, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, yes, yes…I’d like to beat these points into the head of every new GSOM poster on here.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jan 18, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post...
I’d rec it if it wasn’t already glowing green. But i don’t want to pile on… you might get a big head.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jan 19, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
soooo....
Prince-not going anywhere for anything we have to offer
Vlad-terrible contract, maybe in an exchange of terrible contracts, but he’s not good enough to make that anything more than a lateral move
Battie-The Magic really need a rugged PF, but this guy continues to ride pine for them…..there might just be a reason for that-he’s not any good
Amundsen-we had him during last year’s preseason, and he looked ok, but how exactly is he gonna make the team any better? Do you want him starting at the 4 or just taking minutes that usually go to Turiaf?
Przybilla-Portland aint buyin what we’re sellin for a guy who has been a huge part of their success this year
Brewer-just what we need, a wing player who cant shoot a lick
James-newsflash, he just got traded to the Wiz and will probably get the bulk of their PG minutes the rest of the year with Arenas not likely to return.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 18, 2009 12:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
or maybe amundsen was this year’s summer league….I dont really remember exactly
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 18, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
brewer
it doesn’t matter if brewer can’t shoot. he’ll be perfect next to the players we got. he’s in the top 10 in steals and he can lock up the other teams best wing. something monta is not willing to do
by Somar on Jan 18, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine I’d take him as a role player but youd have to trade away about 3 other 2/3’s to get him any playing time at all.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 18, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Simply Pathetic
Hey, not the posting or thread but the fact we fans are always trying to fix this broken team to heal our broken hearts. The sad truth is we don’t even have the management infrastructure anymore (no real GM and the idiot Rowell) to envision a trade and we sure don’t have an engaged coach who can effectively work with a young team. Last thing I want to see is more vets to destroy the development—if you can can it that—of the younger players. If we do trade, let’s get some guys over 6’7" who can rebound and defend. That would be a good start. Right now we have the worst rebound deferential (-5.19) in the league along with giving up the most seond chance points in the league. We allow 112 points per game, again leading the league. Do you think someone in management or the coaching staff (maybe the “defensive coordinator”—I just love the way Nelson washed his hands of that nuisance in his normally flippant manner) might have noticed those minor facts and start thinking about a trade or next year’s draft. But, sadly, we had the same glaring problems the previous season and Mullin, then in charge, and others did nothing to address these fundamental problems and then Rowell proceeded to trade away an all star level PG. Brilliant.
This is all old news. But finding trades that make sense is an illusion until the reality of our current team hits home. Maybe when season ticket holders start to bail. I mean the team tries to remain upbeat and of course can blame the lack of wins on injuries, which is partially true. But those injuries may obscure the underlying flaws of our team in that Nelson prefers players are too small who don’t rebound or defend. A random trade isn’t going to fix that.
CWebb is undoubtedly the answer but I forgot the question.
by commish on Jan 18, 2009 7:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic?
We’re fans, we have unrealistic expectations, that’s how it should be. Have you seen what the A’s have done, they’re gonna run away with the division next year. But I would rather be blindly optimistic than cripplingly pessimistic. This team isn’t that bad we just need a true NBA quality PF and our star Monta.
by T-Money on Jan 18, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and Mullin, then in charge, and others did nothing to address these fundamental problems and then Rowell proceeded to trade away an all star level PG. Brilliant
… I’ve consistently critiqued Mullin’s GM moves, but in his defense Mullin did bolster both our interior def & rebounding by adding Turiaf to Andris, BWright, and long forgotten Al Harrington. That foursome, along with Randolph (who’s largest positive thus far has been rebounding) wouldn’t scare any teams but the plan was in place and executed over the summer then Nelson and Harrington’s spat got blown up … as for Rowell, he technically didn’t trade Baron, which would have at least netted us a player, he simply insulted Baron by nixing the 3/$39m deal Mullin apparently hammered out and watched as Baron spat upon GSW and scooped up LAC’s inflated offer. Doing so, Rowell all but forced us to overpay for another FA before resigning our own RFAs, and the best FA available happened to be Maggette … a Rowell-led FO is what we fans have to fear is going to continue
by hardcore on Jan 18, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only player I would consider
is Battie, but he’s really a less athletic version of Ronny with a slightly better midrange. Besides that they’re the exact same players.
by rjnarayen on Jan 18, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Definitely.
Ronny is better than Battie, I was just trying to point out how similar they are.
by rjnarayen on Jan 18, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trades we need to DREAM about..
Maggette for Lebron
by AlbinoWhale on Jan 19, 2009 1:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this would be nice
just pretend lebron is playing for the warriors when he’s wearing those blue and yellow retro uni’s for the cavs.. our new unis should be those colors again!!!
by Somar on Jan 20, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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