Trades which would turn the W's into a playoff team
by YaHeard on Jan 19, 2009 11:55 PM PST
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Trade #1:
Jamal Crawford, $8.6m
Stephen Jackson, $7.1m
for
Andrei Kirilenko, $15m
Next season, the Utah Jazz will have $70m invested in just 11 players. This means they will not be able to sign free agents for more than the MLE. By trading 1-for-2, they can fill up their depth chart better. Kirilenko is an under-utilized $15m they have coming off the bench. Also, the Jazz are also weak at SG/SF right now and could use the extra firepower. Jamal Crawford could start at SG and backup Deron Williams at PG. Jackson could start on this squad as well and they would bring Korver off the bench.
This would fix our logjam of swingmen. As everyone here has said before, Kirilenko the ideal forward for Nellieball. He's a defensive/rebounding monster, can run the floor, make the 3, handle the ball, and pass well.
Trade #2:
Corey Maggette, $8.3m
Kelenna Azubuike, $2.9m
for
Lamar Odom, $11.4m
The Lakers front office has to make a decision on Lamar Odom soon. His contract and Trevor Ariza's contract are both expiring after this season. Based on what I've seen from them putting Odom on the bench and limiting his minutes, and the evolution of Ariza's game; it seems like they would re-sign Ariza and keep him for cheap rather than give Odom a big contract. Having Ariza and Odom is redundant for them. Maggette and Azubuike could add different dimensions to their squad. Maggette can be the go-to scorer when Kobe rests, and I'm sure they know that Sasha Vujacic is just no good and Azubuike would be a better backup at SG.
Just like Kirilenko, Odom is a guy GSOM always talks about as being perfect for our style of play. Multi-talented forward who can guard multiple positions, stretch the defense, pass, and handle.
Your Golden State Warriors:
PG: Monta Ellis / CJ Watson
SG: Marco Belinelli / Anthony Morrow
SF: Andrei Kirilenko / Anthony Randolph
PF: Lamar Odom / Brandan Wright
C: Andris Biedrins / Ronny Turiaf
- We'd have one of the best defensive/shot-blocking/rebounding frontlines in the league.
- Everyone in our starting lineup would be a unselfish player, and good passer.
- No more ballhogs and turnover machines.
- We'd be less dependent on the 3-ball, but our starting lineup would still feature 4 guys who can make the 3 and stretch the D.
- This would provide all the opportunity in the world for Monta Ellis to get his shots and put up superstar numbers in this league.
- This would allow for Belinelli, Morrow, Randolph, Wright, and Watson to get their minutes and prove themselves; plus they'd have defensive studs Kirilenko and Odom to learn from.
- We would be a fast-pace, fast-breaking team once again. We'd block so many shots, deflect so many balls, force more misses, secure more rebounds, and feed Monta for the easy cherry pick on the other side.
What do you think, GSOM?
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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better ideas
trade 3
Corey Maggette
Stephen Jackson
for
LeBron James
trade 4
Jamal Crawford
Ronny Turiaf
Marcus Williams
for
Dwight Howard
trade 5
Marco Belinelli
Anthony Randolph
Brandan Wright
for
Chris Paul
Your Golden State Warriors
Paul/ CJ Watson
Monta/Buike
LeBron/doesnt matter
Biedrins/anybody
Howard/who cares?
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by sam23 on Jan 20, 2009 12:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Your internet sarcasm is weak
unlike other trade proposals, there are both financial and roster depth issues which might make Odom and Kirilenko available. I’m not naming any All-Stars or young franchise players either, I’m talking about two players who aren’t even in their teams starting lineups.
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, your fanpost is weak and totally unrealistic
AK47 is probably among the frontrunners for 6th man of the year and has probably been Utah’s 2nd best player this season. He’s overpaid, but he certainly fits Sloan and the Jazz. Crawford and Jackson……..not so much, even if you dont take into account the fact that their contracts are longer.
Odom may not fit in LA (though Phil Jackson would probably argue that with you) but they could do a lot better than an awful contract and a player who would probably stuggle to crack the rotation.
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by sam23 on Jan 20, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but
vujacic is no good and kaz would be better than him….
thankfully, we don’t even throw picks into either of these robberies. i don’t see any real reasons why these trades get considered. just saying “team a wants to get rid of this guy” is generally meaningless. teams don’t just dump players without getting something of worth back. odom’s expiring deal is worth more to the lakers than mags would be. it either gives them flexibility or a really good player. why trade him for an overpaid corey maggette?
and the jazz deal is absolutely baffling. like you said, ak is playing really well right now. he definitely makes more than he earns, but no chance they add jack’s ridiculous deal and crawford to the team. honestly, i see no compelling reason for the jazz to not laugh that suggestion off. needing more than 11 guys under contract next year is not a reason to make that deal. as the post explained, they have the mle next year, which should be enough to add a player better than either jackson or crawford. i just don’t get it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jan 20, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you make good points
But the Pistons just destroyed there team by trading away Chauncey Billups, who was the heart and soul of their team.
The Suns just crippled themselves by trading away Marion, Diaw, and Bell.
Good teams can sometimes do stupid things, out of desperation to try to elevate themselves to the next level.
Furthermore, letting Odom’s contract expire won’t do the Lakers any good. They’re deep into the Luxury Tax already and will never be big players in the free agent market for a long long time. Maybe they’ll get lucky and find another Pau Gasol to trade for, or maybe they could just settle for Corey Maggette and Kelenna Azubuike.
You make it sound as if Odom and Kirilenko are cornerstones of their perspective franchises, neither even average over 31 mpg.
And it’s not as if Crawford, Jackson, and Maggette are THAT atrocious on their own. Sure, put them all together on the same team and you’re just asking for trouble. But as just scorers (not do-it-all players like we ask them to be), they can find a fitting role on another team. Besides, we don’t know how the rest of the league sees these guys. Obviously, somebody gave Crawford his big contract before he got here, gave Jackson his big contract before we extended it, and Maggette his $7m/yr contract before this one, and it wasn’t us. GM’s don’t mind paying for PPG, because that’s what puts fans in the seats. (Proof: Oracle Arena)
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
suns and pistons
those weren’t just stupid moves that ruined teams. the pistons made themselves a player in 2010 and weren’t really a threat this year anyway, so why not make a move for the market? the suns took a risk that so far, isn’t paying off, but they could talk themselves into “if shaq gets healty…” when they made the deal.
it’s much harder to talk about jack and crawford doing much for the jazz at all. especially not with their contracts. the fact that somebody was willing to give them those deals doesn’t mean that many teams would want them around. we murdered jack’s trade value by extending him. it was a dumb extention and most teams would be able to recognize that. you can’t justify a trade by saying that teams do dumb stuff sometimes. it’s rare to luck into something. don’t expect it to happen when making a trade proposal.
you don’t need to be a cornerstone of a franchise to have value. the minutes ak47 and odom play are valuable to their teams. i would expect that they lakers would rather give odom’s minutes to odom than maggette. and even if the team doesn’t gain much flexibility, they do get the priviledge of not paying someone millions of dollars after odom’s deal is up. that has value. and luxury tax or no, the mid level exception is usable for them to add a player who wants to sign with a contender for a discount rate. something that happens all the time and could be more useful than mags. it’s a no brainer for the lakers to choose expiring deal over 5 year deal when neither player involved is much better than the other (and as you said, not a franchise cornerstone).
our guys aren’t THAT atrocious on their own, but our prospective trading partners in this situation can do better than that, if they want to do anything at all.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jan 20, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I pretty much agree with everything you just said.
But teams like the Jazz and the Lakers are in unique circumstances.
From a Warriors’ fan viewpoint, we see Maggette’s/Jackson’s/Crawford’s contracts as being crippling to our franchise. We are hovering near and around the salary cap figure and it’s extra frustrating because we can’t go after free agents in the future specifically because of these dead weight contracts. We can’t add more players that way, it sucks, and it’s because of the contracts. It’s hard for us to build a team like this.
However, the Jazz and Lakers are in a different boat. They’re on the cusp right now, the teams are built already and they should be trying to tweak the team to get them that championship. They’re not going to be thinking about how this or that $10m contract is going to impact their salary cap situation, because these teams cannot add big salary free agents for a long, long time. MLE level players, yes, but not Corey Maggette, Crawford, Jackson or any other proven NBA starter and scorer. Maggette, Crawford, and Jackson are impact players, players you can’t get for the MLE.
I will agree that you can get very very good role players for the MLE (ex. Ronny Turiaf), but the Lakers and Jazz already have plenty of role players.
I just think that the GM’s of these teams might consider adding one or two 20+ ppg scorers to these two defensive/rebounding teams, to help put them over the top. On teams like these, Maggette’s/Crawford’s/Jackson’s weaknesses would be more easily covered up. Here, their weaknesses are greatly exposed.
I just don’t think it’s that ridiculous that these teams would be so against giving up one of their role players to get an impact starter from us. And I think their “role players” would be perfect for our team right now, in order for our young players to “grow into their shoes”.
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think our guys are impact starters on those teams. jackson is the only guy i can say with relative certainty would start on the jazz or lakers as they are constructed. i’ve never been a big fan of the idea of jamal crawford starting for our team, and considering that the jazz have plenty of scoring options in their starting lineup and brewer is a good defender, i think they’d be better served with crawford coming off the bench. i think they gave up the best player in that trade and got a respectable starter and a respectable 6th/7th man. there will probably be better offers for ak47, ones that involve youth, expiring contracts and/or picks. i don’t think they do this deal.
mags is an interesting case for the lakers, but would you rather have him in the lineup or ariza? if i’m phil jackson, i’d go with ariza for balance in the lineup. you would not want mags chucking up shots or barrelling to the hoop whenever he touches the ball, considering kobe is on the team. and seeing how much kobe plays, they’d need to make sure it could work. maggette would definitely get good minutes off the bench, but he’d need to be a sure fire upgrade over odom in those minutes. enough of a certainty where they trade a more versatile player for a less versatile one with a much longer contract. and this is not a team that definitely needs a change to win a title. they can do it as constructed. it’s a big risk to make this deal, so again, i don’t think they do it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jan 21, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Fit” is nonsense. Harrington “fit” here like a glove, and he was sent out. Iverson doesn’t “fit” with the Pistons. Billups doesn’t “fit” with Karl and the Nuggets. Shaq didn’t “fit” with the Suns. GMs don’t give a damn about “fit”.
6th man of the year or not, he’s still a guy they’re only giving 31mpg to off the bench, even with Boozer injured. Crawford and Jackson are bonafied starters in this league, not just on the Warriors. You can’t tell me that they aren’t upgrades over Ronnie Brewer and CJ Miles in the Jazz starting lineup.
As for the Lakers, are you really saying that Maggette and Azubuike aren’t upgrades over Sasha Vujacic and Luke Walton??? As much hype there is about the Lakers “super bench”, they really don’t have much firepower coming off their bench besides “The Machine” jacking up 3’s. This would benefit their depth considerably as well as give us a player we desperately need.
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you cant tell me that AK47 isnt an upgrade over Miles and Brewer who start ahead of him, but he’s a better “fit” off the bench. The Jazz wouldnt make this trade and I dont blame ‘em. And yes I’m saying that given their respective contracts the Lakers would prefer Odom Ariza Walton and Vujacic off the bench to Maggette and Buike. Buike is a decent value but so are Ariza and Vujacic and Buike with Maggette would be pretty redundant on a good team like the the Lakers. If you were a fan of the Jazz or Lakers you wouldnt want to make those trades for a bunch of flawed swingmen with terrible contracts so just stop.
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by sam23 on Jan 21, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
it’s unrealistic like a pau gasol for kwame trade. like a camby for a second round draft pick trade. like a baron davis for a speedy claxton trade. there’s no such thing as unrealistic in the nba.
by Somar on Jan 21, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
those are instances of a better player being traded for and expiring or cap space. the only other uneven trades come via player conflicts a la Baron & Artest.
in these two scenarios, not only do we get the cap relief, we also get the better player and in a situation where AK/LO don’t have to be traded.
if the Lakers are taking on long term money, it’s going to be for a legitimate star player – a Vince Carter type.
If Utah moves AK, it’s going to be for a Marion type expiring so they can resign Boozer & Okur to long term deals when they likely opt out; and resign Millsap, who is restricted, but looking at a fat contract
by the evil monkey on Jan 21, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re going to resign Boozer and Okur to long term deals regardless if they keep AK47 or trade him for an expiring contract or whatever. It’s not imperative that they “need” AK47’s salary space to re-sign them.
Why would they want to let go of AK47 just to keep the players they have? That’s not going to make their team better. It’s not going to bring them closer to a championship.
And I used to live with die hard Laker fans. I can’t tell you how many times I heard “I wish Lamar Odom would just attack the rim! We need a Corey Maggette type” This was when Maggette was still in LA, too. Lamar Odom isn’t exactly worshipped down there, everyone points to him as the reason why they haven’t been winning championships lately, because he hasn’t lived up to his “Scottie Pippen”-like expectations
by YaHeard on Jan 21, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
better idea
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=49729833027&teams=2299&te=&cash=
roy and lma
for
mags
by saintdee on Jan 20, 2009 12:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
you should've added another option.
We’d still not make the playoffs.
This season’s a wrap folks. Take the rose colored glasses off.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jan 20, 2009 12:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not talking about making the playoffs this season. I’m talking about making a playoff-calibur team for the years to come.
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I GOT A BETTER IDEA.
waive everybody on the warriors and get a 18+ rec team and give them jerseys
I'm going to get banned for all these mindless comments.
by CatchAndShoot on Jan 20, 2009 12:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
are you joking?
Not only would neither trade go down, but even if they did we would likely be an even worse team, somehow. Trade away 4 of our top 6 players for fucking one year of Lamar Odom, who while underrated is not going to be better than a 4th option on any team that plans on making the playoffs, and Kirilinko, who is pretty much a Russian Harrington with worse stats and a hotter wife? It’d be worth it just to shed the 3 big contracts and allow for a good amount of increased flexibility the next couple years, but there’s no way in hell we would make the playoffs any year with that lineup. There is no singular trade that can turn the Warriors into a playoff team this season, with the exceptions of something like BELLI FOR LEBRON.
bring back rickey
by yo on Jan 20, 2009 12:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stats stats stats
You’re right, because they don’t have good stats, and that makes them bad players.
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your Golden State Warriors for the next couple of weeks
PG: Marcus Williams / Rob Kurz
SG: Anthony Morrow / Rob Kurz
SF: Lamar Odom / Anthony Randolph
PF: Andrei Kirilenko / Jermario Davidson
C: Andris Biedrins / Ronny Turiaf
by lightz0ut on Jan 20, 2009 1:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet you
you wont be wanting to trade these guys a month from now.
by bojangles408 on Jan 20, 2009 8:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
We fail to recognize our .500-plus-team with all starters in place. With the addition of Monta and a decently healthy season, we should have no problem making the playoffs. The west is beginning to decline, at the perfect time for the warriors. With a healthy team, we should be one of the best, 3-point shooters, fast break, incredible penetration, and the youthful upside to continue to grow. Although it seems distant, playoffs, are actually a possibility with Monta back. Now will that happen this season? NO! Obviously, but will we be a low playoff seed team next year? YES!
by BLWarrior on Jan 20, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s just not enough shots to go around for everybody, I’m afraid.
What we’ll have is 4 guys fighting eachother for their stats at the expense of ball movement and marks in the win column.
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rebound
Agreed, we do have far too many shooters, but thats part of Nellieball i suppose. He ikes to spread the floor by having 4 guys on the outside that can drill that three. Now as i said, we can penetrate too. Which is where Nellieball works. Where it breaks down, as you said, is when the ball stops. When players are driving to the basket, and not aware of outside options once they see the D collapse in, is where we are getting beat. And guys will continue to do this, as you said, until they’ve filled their stat column. But if we could just make a bigger commitment to rebounding, particularily on offense, then each player would get another look. Another shot to find his stats, while boosting another one of his own columns, rebounding. I continue to be amazed at the level of incompetence by our rebounding players. There are players that need to defend the fast break, and need to get available for the fast break, such as monta. But monta still brings in more rebounds than most warriors.
Anyhow, my point is, i’m sick and tired of seeing Nellieball fail, because a few players cant play with the greater picture in mind. They fail to realize that a W in the win column is more valuable to them, then a 3 pointer is. And that rebounds will lead to more shots, and more points. Additionally, i would take the player with 15ppg and 12 rpg, over the 26 ppg and 2 rpg player. Rebounding is the key to succcess. you can’t score if you dont have the ball, so we need to get it more.
by BLWarrior on Jan 21, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford playing for Sloan?
I dont think so. That deal is a no go.
Let’s just let Barnet suit up when the Dubs are struggling
by warriorsvictim on Jan 20, 2009 8:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
anything to get him out of the booth
by NeifiChicken on Jan 20, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nellie should play!
But if Nellie had Nellie he’d bench himself for being too fat and slow for Nellie ball. Even Marcus can out run Nellie.
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Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 20, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on a sec
You want to trade for two guys who are know choke artists? This won’t bring a playoff run, rather it would start a streak of top 5 lottery finishes.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
by mcwalter44 on Jan 20, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We're already looking at a top 5 lotto finish thank you very much
So… how’s the audition going? You must be somewhat used to this level of suckage, right?
"No no Nene!"
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 20, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this trade would be perfect
if not for Buike.
Please send some1 else in his place
then pull the trigger. but pull it NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
=Gaucho=
by Gaucho! on Jan 20, 2009 9:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
uhhh NO
Ellis to the RIM!
Monta for the win?! YES!
by XIAOXIAO on Jan 20, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why not trade for Artest
It’s just as ridiculous a notion, but hell the trade machine says it’s ok so why not blog about it.
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by mcwalter44 on Jan 20, 2009 11:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
THESE ARE THE WORST TRADE IDEAS IVE EVER SEEN. AK47?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
by HoLdEmUP on Jan 20, 2009 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trade #6
Swap records with the Lakers in exchange for Marcus Williams, a conditional second rounder and the right to retire Latrell Sprewell’s jersey as a Laker.
Trade #1 works in a vaccum. The talent swap is ok, I’d do it from the W’s end but no way Utah would. The biggest problems are Jackson’s contract, his lack of discipline on offense and he’s, uh, not exactly “Salt Lake City” material. I actually think that fans would stage a formal protest . Look at the garbage Indiana took in exchange for he and Al. His style is not going to be as inspriational in certain parts of the country. Now, his value is now less than when he was in Indiana (who would have thought that possible?) because of the idiotic extention and there is no place with a professional basketball team that would welcome Stephen Jackson less than the state of Utah.
Trade#2 They’re not going to want Maggette’s long-term money or his game. I would be interested to see how he would fit into the triangle. I imagine Maggette’s “interpretation” of the triangle would be: 1. Get ball. 2. Shoot ball. Which may not go over very well. Plus, would it be really worth it to mess with what they have at the possibility of maybe getting slightly better at the cost of tying up long term money in a one-dimentional scorer that doesn’t fit your proven system?
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 20, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with the parts about long term money. If they believe that this extra firepower can bring them a championship, they just might go for it. When Odom was supposed to be Kobe’s “Pippen”, he was heavily criticized for not being aggressive and attacking the basket. Now Gasol is being criticized for being “soft”. Corey Maggette could really add something different to that team.
The thought of Jamal Crawford and Stephen Jackson in Utah does make me laugh though. But hey, if they had SJax and Artest in Indiana and the old Jailblazers up in Portland, anything’s possible right? Times are a-changin’…
by YaHeard on Jan 21, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you should
listen to BSD, he’s 100% correct here. The Lakers could do better for Odom than Maggette’s terrible contract and would the Jazz really think trading away their best defender and a a guy who fills up the stat sheet for two fairly ineffecient scorers would make them real championship contender? Enough to take on crazy long term money? I think not.
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by sam23 on Jan 21, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we can agree to disagree about Maggette
since we’re at the point where I am saying they wouldn’t take his contract and he would be a mess in the triangle and you’re basically saying that they would take his contract and he would add another (I’m assuming you mean positive) dimention to the offense.
So unless Phil Jackson is on GSoM, I guess we’re at an impass. Although, I am 100% sure I’m right.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 21, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moron
Warriors would not make the playoffs with that new team. They’d be worse than they are now you retard. You’re sounding like Gary St. Jean. Thank God the both of you aren’t the Warriors GM
by Gurthy on Jan 20, 2009 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ouch you hurt my feelings.
You’re right though, the Warriors front office is doing a stand up job right now.
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT THE FRENCH TOAST?!
NO!why would we give away more than half of our team for 2 big men that wont help at all
Blake Griffin anyone?
by RunNdGun on Jan 20, 2009 7:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Two veteran big men that have experience getting to and winning in the playoffs… who are defensive studs and rebound the ball? They wouldn’t help us at all? Just a little bit? I guess Maggette’s a better big man for us then
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What!?!?
why would we trade jack and Crawford for AK47, i hate AK
by GSW Fan on Jan 20, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I guess I got owned
Let’s just keep the team the way it is and see if we can get the record for worst defensive team in NBA history.
Why would we need defensive stops for? Or rebounds? Or guys that have experience of winning in the playoffs? Or even getting to the playoffs? We don’t need any of that…
Four 20 point scorers who don’t defend must be the recipe for success: 20 + 20 + 20 + 20 + whatever the rest of the team scores = WIN
Let’s just wait and see when everyone’s healthy. Wait and see how Nelly will keep 4 guards on the floor at all times and wait and see how many times we give up 130+ points in a game this year.
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 7:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Trade proposals are a lose-lose situation here. Nobody takes the time to post unless they think you are crazy, and half of them tell you the other team would never do it and the other half tell you that we would never do it.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jan 20, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really should have known better, haha
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly
the fact that it’s a pretty even split means that it was a more reasonable trade scenario than most on this site. this wasn’t a marco for lebron or anything like that. i still don’t see it happening, but it definitely could have been worse and the personal attacks flung your way were unnecessary.
by the way, ak47 would definitely be the pf in the new roster set up, with odom at the sf.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jan 20, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
depends on how you look at it.
I would think Odom would be guarding the other PF, and Kirilenko their SF.
On offense, I have no idea what kind of crazy plays Nelson would draw up. He’d probably have AK47, Odom, and Biedrins doing the weave out of the backcourt with Monta and Belinelli setting picks for them.
by YaHeard on Jan 20, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess
that making clear cut calls about positions with don nelson is a bit silly. i was just pointing out that ak plays better as an undersized 4 than a 3. odom can handle the perimeter better. who guards who on the other end would be a matchup basis.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jan 21, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: and half of them tell you the other team would never do it and the other half tell you that we would never do it.
The other half are the one’s who propose the implausible trade scenarios.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 21, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The other half are the one’s who propose the implausible trade scenarios.
and the fourth half points out that the third half makes 150%
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 21, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and the fourth half points out that the third half makes 150%
Yogi Berra was my mathematical muse
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 21, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Doubt
Why did you even bother YaHeard…everyone bags on trade scenario’s because its just easier to hate rather than come up with some actual thought. While I like the way the dubs have been looking on the court with the majority of their stars, the dubs need to trade for a legitimate 4. They need boards. Broadcasters keep talking about “everyone hitting the boards”, but thats because they dont have anyone that either can or are willing to box out besides big Andres. And even if they do, they can barely defend legit big men. The warriors are fun to watch, and the talent on the court looks like it can be really competitive on most nights, but the team isnt going anywhere until they get their bigs. Randolph has potential. Wright is a tool and should be traded on his “potential”. I like the guys you targeted for these trades, and while there is a possibility of picking one of them up, its tough to imagine that the guys you suggested will make the deal happen. I like the idea of both Odom and AK, they can really pick up our rebounding/Defense, but if they’re in play, im not sure if Jax/Crawford/Maggette can get them here, especially if other teams are offering similar/better talent and/or better looking contracts. This team needs a 4 though, a big, long, athletic 4 that can help board, defend bigs, and stretch defenses. I used to say the same thing on Bobcat blogs. They finally did the unthinkable and traded JRich and brought in Boris Diaw. While I didnt think much of Diaw and think the world of JRich, the trade has actually made the team a hell of a lot better, and the Warriors, despite the different style, are in the same boat. Defense, Rebounds. Big. We need em, and one or both of these trades would be very interesting and I dare say productive to the Dubs
by rtgunn on Jan 20, 2009 11:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trades which would turn the W's into a playoff team
Trade the whole dang team for the SanHo Sharks?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 21, 2009 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nellie's a loser
so trade him for david lee. you would then solve the two biggest warrior problems—you’d get a fairly cheap good-rebounding forward (who also never shoots 3’s because he realizes he can’t, unlike most of the current and past w’s), and you’d get rid of the idiocy that is nelli-ball.
by nelliehater on Jan 22, 2009 10:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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