Polling GSoM: Cheer or Boo Monta Ellis?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 2:36 PM PST
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PrintThe news just broke: Ellis to Make Much-Anticipated Return Tomorrow Versus Cleveland
Move over LeBron. Monta's in Tha Town.
Photoshopped by GSoMer Sleepy Freud
Now the question for all you golden folk.
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theres an idiot in every crowd
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 22, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
lol
he did ruin my ticket sales… but whatever im cheering
by bojangles408 on Jan 22, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
But you like Kurz so...
you should lose a vote
ur the only monta hater..
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
i guarantee if there are boos..........
it will be drowned out by all the cheers.
Hahaha.
That’s a great username.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
So it was you that made that!!
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
jeeze I don't think I needed a warning
I posted the thread like ten seconds before this was up.
But yeah, I got courtside tickets and I’m not about to boo Moped.
bring back rickey
Monta is awesome.
Way better than J-Rich
by Atma Sister One on Jan 22, 2009 2:44 PM PST reply actions
You can’t be serious
He’s probably talking social responsibility wise?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
He is awesome.
J-Rich is always injured. All he can do is dunk. Monta can dunk and color really well.
by Atma Sister One on Jan 22, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
You know here's a double standard for you
I’m obviously not a Mike Dunleavy fan. But if the roles were reversed in Moped Gate and Dunleavy did what Monta did he’d get booed like crazy! Shoot, I’d probably be booing too- haha. But I won’t be booing Monta- just doing nothing.
(Some very interesting ammo for the Mike Dunleavy fans in Warriors Nation)
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions
Not really a double-standard
All things aren’t equal when comparing Monta to Dunleavy, even if MDJ had had a similar moped debacle. Dunleavy drew the ire of fans here for a number of reasons, not least of which was the fact that, hey, he just wasn’t a very good player for us. Then there was the expectations, the lackluster performances, the moping (not to be confused with mopedding), etc. Monta, on the other hand, had, up until the accident, been a great Warrior: always played hard, made explosive plays, and surpassed expectations.
Dunleavy was also an unapologetic prick about it .
That makes a difference.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 22, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Are they going to have
The Moped precision drill team decked out in velcro shoes at halftime? That would be a great time out.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 2:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
They should do a dramatic reenactment of ellis' injury at half time.
I want to hear how it went down.
by Nuck Chorris on Jan 22, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If he plays bad
Then boo him.
If he dunks over lebron, cheer.
If maggs dunks over lebron, cheer.
If cj dunks over lebron, I predict championship.
Life was good
When CJ Watson wasnt playing, hopefully he barely plays when Monta comes back
cj has been clutch!
maybe a half burned out clutch with a bad throw out bearing?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
he is a backup.
Sometimes you gotta backup before you go forward.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i actually gott give it to cj
he’s been playing well
hes gunna make a good 6th man one day
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Dunno about 6th
But a good backup 1/2. Especially if he works on his D
thats basically what i meant :P
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
same goes for belli
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Belli could be a starter
If he continues to improve like he was before his injury.
he can be a starter
but not for achampionship/competativ e playoff caliber team…which is what we need to be striving for
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
LMFAO @ If cj dunks over lebron, I predict championship
That was dope.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jan 22, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going to cheer for a compound fracture of J-Rich's ankle tomorrow night.
by Atma Sister One on Jan 22, 2009 2:55 PM PST reply actions
All we need is the skeptic and sleepy alter egos and you guys will have a team!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 22, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
All we need is the skeptic and sleepy alter egos and you guys will have a team!
I think mine died.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Plus 1 had him killed
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 22, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
prediction
Monta counters Lebron’s Crabdribble with his own Mopedribble which causes controversy as he scooters from the 3 pt line to the rim without a dribble and gets away with it.
by BarnettBeBallin on Jan 22, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions
he scooters from the 3 pt line to the rim without a dribble and gets away with it.
and claims he wasn’t playing basketball when it happened, he was mopeding
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Won't happen
He’ll just take 3pt shots like Baron used to.
lol why would you do nothing?
you clap when jack is announced
then when AB is announced
then stop immediatly with a blank face and stare off into the distance when Monta is announced?
Man up and pick one, even though i didnt even consider this to be an occasion picking sides.
Jeez
What the heck do you have to cheer this guy for?
66 million dollars and missed more than half a season? What is this guy getting paid to do? So what if he was suspended 30 games without pay – he didn’t come back immediately after that. He should have been fined for every game he didn’t play.
Oh right, the money’s coming because he violates his contract and then lies about it. Awesome.
But fine, look past all that BS, and why don’t we look at what this kid has done over the last two years…
Sure he’s developed into one of the best finishers in the league, he can take it to the hoop strong and finish. Awesome. He’s young so he can develop. Even better.
But what about his handles? Do you HONESTLY think he’s our answer to PG? I for one, say heck no, he’s our SG of the future. But wait, we have like 20 of those.
Oh yeah, and where was he during the We Believe playoff run? Playing like crap. Don’t give me that “he was young and inexperienced” mess either – look at Leon Powe last year in the Finals – TORCHED the Lakers.
And you know what really grinds my gears…remember last year when we had to beat the Nuggets to basically get in the playoffs? I sure as hell remember that game cause I was there with my “WE STILL BELIEVE” poster and screaming through the whole game. Until the 4th quarter. Til I saw Monta commit 5 turnovers essentially losing the game for us.
Monta’s better than J-Rich? Right. I do recall J-Rich PUBLICLY apologizing one year when we didn’t make the playoffs. What did Monta do last year when we didn’t make the playoffs? Ride a moped, get injured, lie about it…whatever, we are where we are.
Fine, cheer our players, they deserve it. But don’t put this kid on a pedestal. He’s not earning his keep.
Sir Charles was no role model and nor is Monta.
Lucky for me, I have the preview on Friday….
We still believe!!
by R Dizzle on Jan 22, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
why do we need ellis?
cause we have Kurz right?
ok, all jokes aside
Explain to me why I should be happy with this guy. Go ahead and take every point I made and give me a LEGIT counter argument.
We still believe!!
Go ahead and take every point I made and give me a LEGIT counter argument.
Haha you do realize you’re asking for a lot from these guys man? These cats would rather drop pointless one-liners than actually say something of substance.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Don't lump us all together.
My one-liners are straight poignant.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 22, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
You made some good points.
I know this won’t happen but I think Monta deserves complete silence (like how the Roaracle was after Jeff Green made that bank shot last night)
No Cheers. No Boo’s. Just complete silence from the crowd and an acoustic pin drop.
Let him play and see what we fans get in return before we give him a reaction.
Unrealistic, so I’m just going to give Monta an applause upon his return because I am a big fan of his Game, him as a player, and what I believe he can contribute to this team.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jan 22, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think it comes down to as alot of us are fans
and as a Warrior fan we have endured alot of pain. Year after year of bad drafts and bad play. Then God throws us a bone in the 2nd round and we are fortunate enough to get Monta. Then as young guys do he screwed up and got hurt and up in smoke goes another year. Now out of nowhere we get news our young Star is coming back, Hey, unlike Atma and his Sister I welcome Monta back with open arms. He is family and some of us missed him. Did he make a mistake? Sure, but I love the Warriors and he is an important part of this team. I am sure if he was an LA Laker that ATMA and his sidekeicks like Septic and Sleepy would be happy too!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 22, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1000000000
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
I am sure if he was an LA Laker that ATMA and his sidekeicks like Septic and Sleepy would be happy too!
That might be the funniest comment I’ve ever seen posted on GSoM.
I can’t wait to see what Skeptic and Sleepy Freud think.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with you, as always, M'Lord...
;-)
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 22, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ATMA and his sidekeicks like Septic and Sleepy would be happy too!
Sidekick? When did I get a promotion?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is a great question
Who is a better sidekick?
- Sleepy Freud
- Skeptic con Urquell
Maybe a future “Polling GSoM”?
I’m torn. I can’t really have a sidekick who randomly compares me to Sarah Palin (the insults I can take, but that one seriously hurt my feelings! haha) and I can’t really have one who ain’t down with The Yi Movement. I guess Skeptic since hates the J-Rich trade more than I do? Or is it Sleepy since he has good taste in movies/ music?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Neither of those dude's are anyone's sidekick.
Unless the Prince of Darkness needs a henchman, then I choose Skeptic.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 22, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Neither of those dude's are anyone's sidekick.
Agreed that’s what made the above statement that they were both my sidekicks so… uh… entertaining.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
I know
I was trying to set the stage for FOX news to call Skeptic a devil-worshipper.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 22, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Fox ?
Bring’em on, I’d like to kick o’reilly around that set for a while.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
New show: Hannety con Urquell
I hear the need a replacement for Colmes to sit there and say almost nothing.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 23, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
I hear the need a replacement for Colmes to sit there and say almost nothing.
Then they don’t want me cause I’d be loud and packin.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
I am sure if he was an LA Laker that ATMA and his sidekeicks like Septic and Sleepy would be happy too!
If Montay was a laker does that mean we get Bynum? If so I’d be ecstatic.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
I respect your opinion
so instead, I’ll just explain why I’M happy with ME8.
“Do you HONESTLY think he’s our answer to PG?”
I don’t know, but to paraphrase, Paul is not walking through that door, Rose is not walking through that door, and Rubio probably won’t be walking through that door either. The last few championship point guards: Rondo, Parker, White Chocolate, Billups… I’d be interested to find out the correlation between purity and success. Then again, AI has never won a championship.
“he’s our SG of the future”
The other “SG’s of the future” you speak of- I’m guessing Morrow, Belinelli, Azubuike, and let’s throw CJ in there- I don’t see as franchise players. I agree that we have an embarrassment of riches at the SG, but really, they’re bench players or 5th options on a championship team. Maybe Monta can never be a 1st or 2nd option either, but I think he’s more worth a try than any of those guys.
“where was he during the We Believe playoff run? Playing like crap.”
Powe had one otherworldly game, and a few DNP-CDs. I’m sure quite a few young guys disappeared too. Andrea Bargnani comes to mind.
Personally, I remember his silky smooth jumper. Hopefully he hasn’t lost any lift; that would change everything. I remember a lot of growth the year AFTER the MIP. I remember 26/5/5/60%.
I don’t know whether he’ll be any good without Baron. They did seem to complement each other rather well.
And about the apology thing… again, you’re entitled to be offended. I don’t care. I don’t feel like public apologies mean a whole lot. If he’s really sorry, he’ll be more careful in the future and practice harder to become better. I’m not aware of the full extent of your relationship with the man, but my relationship with Mr. Ellis is strictly business. He entertains me, and I support him.
Good thoughts
I think this is precisely the problem:
my relationship with Mr. Ellis is strictly business. He entertains me, and I support him.
But he hasn’t entertained us this year because of Moped Gate and he’s the main reason the Warriors have not been entertaining this season.
It’d be cruel to get mad at someone for an on-court or off-court unintentional injury. But this was just negligence exacerbated by a terrible mishandling of it.
No I’m not saying boo him, but I’m not casting stones at the few who are and are still understandably upset.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Right on... saved me keystrokes antihero... well put.
Some people just cannot see the big picture. And some are just vindictive sounding like they’ve never erred before… yeah right!
by Misternightrod on Jan 22, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not aware of the full extent of your relationship with the man, but my relationship with Mr. Ellis is strictly business. He entertains me, and I support him.
Haha, Sounds like a congressman undergoing ethics questioning?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
J-Rich is WORSE than Monta
6 years later….
Jason Richardson Accused of DUI – 2009
So please take J-Rich off a pedestal sure he bought an ad to thank the fans, but off the court his transgressions are MUCH WORSE than “MoPed” Ellis.
Jason Richardson has hurt and endangered the lives of others, Monta has just injured himself, lose 3 million, and missed 43 games.
Again tell me who’s worse?
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by FLAxwless on Jan 22, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough
Got me there. DUI + Domestic Violence = bad person. I’m with you.
But I brought up J-Rich because someone said earlier “Monta is way better than J-Rich” with nothing ot back that up. You just did.
We still believe!!
You are indeed correct that neither of those is something a role model does.
Domestic violence- I think it’s safe to say that he’s apologized on move on. November 6, 2003 [HoopsHype]:
Richardson’s three game suspension was handed down by the NBA head offices on October 22. The penalty was imposed after Richardson, 22, was convicted of misdemeanor domestic assault following an incident this past April in Richardson’s hometown of Saginaw, Michigan. So instead of devoting his free time to the basketball court this summer, Richardson found himself embroiled in a different type of court setting.
The legal portion of the ordeal came to a conclusion on August 28 when a Saginaw County jury convicted Richardson of the misdemeanor charge of domestic violence against his former girlfriend, Roshonda Jacqmain, who is the mother of his three-year-old daughter. Jacqmain, 21, testified that Richardson pushed her so hard that she fell and struck her head against a wall at her apartment.
District Court Judge M. Randall Jurrens sentenced Richardson to a year of probation and ordered him to pay $2,060 in fees and fines. He was also ordered to perform 40 hours of community service. In similar cases of defendants without prior convictions, they have usually received comparable sentences.
Before the judge, Richardson said: “I won’t appear in court again. I made a mistake. I was never a violent person. I regret anything that I’ve done.”
However, per the NBA’s zero tolerance policy, Richardson was not yet off the hook. Several days before the start of the season, the league suspended Richardson for the first three games. The Warriors went 1-2 in those games – which included a loss to Dallas, a win against Philadelphia and a loss to the Los Angeles Lakers.
Besides losing three games and three pay days, Richardson also tarnished his previously golden image. But he vows to never make a similar mistake.
"I deeply regret being involved in any situation that results in the embarrassment of my family, friends and fans, the Golden State Warriors and the NBA. I fully understand the seriousness of the implications and I accept the penalty imposed by the Commissioner. I’m glad to have these issues addressed and behind me," said Richardson in a statement issued through the Warriors.
And yes the DUI is just dumb, but unless he’s found guilty there’s nothing we can really say.
It’s a little odd you just brought this up when you just posted this below:
I don’t watch basketball games or look to players as role models, sources of inspiration, or even placing them on a pedestal. They’re entertainers. Same as actors, singers, and other “celebrities.” They’re just normal people who do entertaining things. I could care less about their personal lives, I don’t hold them to a higher standard than regular people (don’t expect more or less), and I don’t “awe” and “fawn” over celebrities/athletes.
People make mistakes. Basketball players are people
Seems a little inconsistent. According to your logic it’s about what affects the on-court and I’m sorry but Monta is the #1 reason the Warriors are a lowly 13-30 and got beat by the OKC Thunder TWICE in one season.
I wouldn’t say that all the reports of Monta’s personality with the Warriors have been especially stellar either.
Rumor: Warriors Not Happy with Monta Ellis’ Maturity Level (6/27/09)
Again before people lose their minds. Both guys have made mistakes- who hasn’t? But neither is an inherently bad guy.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed... we're losing because we don't have Monta.
I agree completely that we’re looking at the lottery because we don’t have Ellis playing. 100000% agree.
Where we differ is Rdizzle and yourself make Monta out to be a “bad” guy and/or has “character” issues and the continued insistence that Monta owes us an apology or is unworthy of being a our franchise player. I mean just that fact that you want to boo Ellis shows how differently we view him and how your hatred?/anger?/unhappiness? with Monta has become more than a basketball issue.
Here’s my view…. Monta Ellis injured himself being a 23 year old and riding a moped (non-basketball). Life happens. I can understand wanting to have fun. He hurt himself and the Warriors on the court with his absence, but I can understand what happened and I realize it’s just part of growing up/life. It doesn’t make him good, it doesn’t make him bad. It doesn’t make him any different than us.
He messed up and I am pissed that he threw 1/2 a season away. However, I’m going to show my support for Monta because his return will IMPROVE the team. He always plays with energy and is one of the toughest competitors in sports. Like you said he is the #1 reason the Warriors are where they are and that’s exactly why I’m going to cheer for him. I’m not going to hold a non-basketball/life decision/action against the guy. I just care how he rehabs (looks like he’ll be near 100%) and how he performs upon his return.
So that’s where we differ. Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like you guys are holding his decision making process against him. What 23 year old wouldn’t want to ride mopeds with his friends? It’s fun. Again, I don’t care what he does outside of the basketball court… just as long as he plays well and plays hard.
He made a mistake. It impacted the team, but you know what? Life goes on. Stop dwelling on the past and a mistake he made. It’s done. The only thing he owes us is to play hard when he returns because we pay money for tickets.
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The Difference Between J-Rich and Monta
The difference between all those cases is that Monta actually ruined our season.
Jason Richardson has always been the heart and soul of the franchise, even when Baron was here. For years he’s been struggling and striving to get this team on it’s feet, and had to carry the Warriors on his back when they were considered as the laughingstock of the NBA. He was Warriors fans source of pride when the team was in their playoff drought; even though we lost many games he still was capable of giving us something to cheer for and made every game entertaining.
More importantly, Jason Richardson put his career on the line for the sake of the franchise. In 05-06 he was supposed to get surgery on his knee to help get it fixed, but he refused to get surgery and played on a bad leg since he didn’t want to miss any games from having to get surgery. This season, people are applauding Kobe for playing with a dislocated finger, but J-Rich had to take pain relieving injections on his ankle and played on a bad knee just so he can get through the 05-06 season without missing any games. That decision could have turned out to be disaster to his health, but he got through it. He actually scored a bunch of 40+ point games while on a bad leg. Unfortunately, his teammates weren’t as dedicated to the team as he was, and the Warriors had guys like Baron and Dunleavy sitting out games due to “sore” hamstrings and other shit like that.
Since they didn’t make the playoffs, J-Rich guaranteed a playoff spot in 2007 which further showed how much of a dedicated player he is for the city.
I’m not saying that Jason is an angel, but there are tons of reasons as to why a Warriors fan may be very appreciative towards what he did for the team.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 22, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Difference Between J-Rich and Monta
Thanks for saying it so well, I try but no one believes me.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
mehh
There’s a ton of good things I could have mentioned about Jason but I didn’t really have the time. Also I couldn’t really explain that whole “J-Rich playing on a bad leg” thing that well. Thanks though. haha.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 22, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
If that's the difference, than I'm glad we have Monta instead of J-Rich
I’ve said time again. I don’t care what these guys do off the court. I follow them as basketball players and if they have good personalities it’s only a bonus.
With that said, it’s pretty sad if you guys can’t separate J-Rich on court performance and his off-court transgressions and compare it to Monta.
If you want to debate on-court performance than that’s a legitimate debate.
However, if you’re trying to debate “character” there should be no question who has shown worse judgment so far. J-Rich is just lucky he didn’t injure himself or others during his DUI or that the NBA only slaps a 3 game suspension for domestic violence.
Yah, so Monta missed 43 games but he only hurt himself and in the end he only missed “games” for entertainment.
J-rich has only missed 3 games due to his domestic violence and DUI, but his transgressions are far more serious than Monta’s. He could have hurt himself or others.
To say J-Rich is better because he didn’t miss NBA games is a sad, sad revelation of your priorities and values in life. If that’s how you judge them than so be it, but I’ll take Monta every day of the week.
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oh okay
I’ve said time again. I don’t care what these guys do off the court.
Okay, but you posted links to Jason Richardson’s off court dilemmas.
I follow them as basketball players and if they have good personalities it’s only a bonus.
That was my whole point about J-Rich. Jason was a dedicated franchise player for the Warriors. His goal was to take us to the playoffs, and he put his career on the line for the sake of the franchise just so he can give 100% effort. Following players just for basketball is great, but the player’s personality is just as important and it also ties in with the game. When a player’s personality is determined, hard working, loyal etc. it leads to that person being a better basketball player. That was my argument when it came to Jason, he put it all on the line for us and never gave up; that’s why i’m not mad at Atma and R Dizzle for praising him like that when Monta hasn’t done anything for the franchise except for ruining our season.
If it was all about personality instead of basketball, then I would be on here trying to convince everyone how we shouldn’t have gotten rid of Adonal Foyle and Mickael Pietrus.
With that said, it’s pretty sad if you guys can’t separate J-Rich on court performance and his off-court transgressions and compare it to Monta.
So us guys can’t find the difference between J-Rich on the court and off the court and then compare it to Monta.
If you want to debate on-court performance than that’s a legitimate debate.
It’s not just about judging the player for what he does on the court, it’s also about judging the EFFECT he has on the team. Just because Monta did something bad off the court instead of on the court doesn’t make it okay to ruin his team’s season without taking the blame.
You’re basically saying that the Warriors have a terrible record, but it’s not Monta’s fault since he wasn’t on the court playing when they lost their games.
How a player affects his team is also a part of being a basketball player in the NBA. What he did in the offseason affected the team and it resulted in them having the bad record that they currently hold. It’s simple, that’s like Kobe doing something stupid in the offseason and being out the rest of the season leaving his team to fend for themselves. But nahh, it’s not Kobe’s fault, he wasn’t on the court when the Lakers were losing so we can’t blame the Laker’s bad record on Kobe.
However, if you’re trying to debate "character" there should be no question who has shown worse judgment so far. J-Rich is just lucky he didn’t injure himself or others during his DUI or that the NBA only slaps a 3 game suspension for domestic violence.
J-Rich did all that but didn’t ruin his team’s season or affect them in a bad way. We can’t blame him for what he didn’t do (ruin a team’s season), but we can blame Ellis for doing so in real life. I can however, get mad at Jason for hurting other people in that domestic violence case, but you only care about what’s happening on the court so why bother. Basically all the things I mentioned about J-Rich in my other post were the things that tied in with him being a basketball player; he was the heart and soul for this franchise.
Yah, so Monta missed 43 games but he only hurt himself and in the end he only missed "games" for entertainment.
He missed 40+ games and killed our season (although I still believe we still have hope to make the playoffs).
J-rich has only missed 3 games due to his domestic violence and DUI, but his transgressions are far more serious than Monta’s. He could have hurt himself or others.
FLAxwless: “I’ve said time again. I don’t care what these guys do off the court. I follow them as basketball players and if they have good personalities it’s only a bonus.”
To say J-Rich is better because he didn’t miss NBA games is a sad, sad revelation of your priorities and values in life. If that’s how you judge them than so be it, but I’ll take Monta every day of the week.
WTF.
Jason Richardson put it all out ON THE COURT in 05-06 because his GOAL was to finally bring the franchise back into the postseason to end the playoff drought. He wanted Warriors fans to be happy, excited, and proud of the team. He didn’t let anything stop him, not even a bad knee and an ankle that was constantly sprained. He didn’t want to sit out games and watch his team lose because of him not being on the court. He passed up on getting knee surgery during the season, and he even took pain relieving injections on his ankle just so he can be able to play through pain.
He was determined to get this losing team to the playoffs because he knew it was his responsibility to do so and that he cared about the team. He gave a 100% effort while his other teammates didn’t give a damn. That’s the whole reason why he put out that ad in the newspaper apologizing for not making the playoffs, and guaranteeing a playoff spot in 2007. He was disappointed, sad, and hurt that he couldn’t fulfill what he was trying to do.
Now, you’re coming at me and telling me that I don’t know how to live and look at my life, just because I appreciate the hard work that Jason put in for the franchise? So what type of NBA player would I have to root for to better showcase me as a great guy? Should I root for someone the opposite of J-Rich, someone who wouldn’t give a damn about his team?
I’ve heard criticism before, but this is the first time i’ve ever been judged for supporting an NBA player who has showed complete dedication for my team. Especially on a post where I was just trying to show how much J-Rich can mean to people, i’m responded to with a statement that’s telling me I have a bad outlook on life. LOL.
I’m only 17 and have heard criticism about my life before, but never like that. I guess this means that i’m going to lose everyone I have in the future and a bunch of other bad things will happen, just because i’m supporting a “bad guy” in Jason Richardson. hah.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 23, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I forgot to mention
I like Monta Ellis too, don’t think i’m a hater. I’m still happy that he’s here, i’m just talking about how much I appreciate J-Rich as well. I’m just supporting Atma and R Dizzle’s opinion since I understand what they’re trying to say; i’m a little on both sides since I still love Monta but hate him at the same time for ruining our season.
And this is Five Ten Entertainment. I forgot my password a long time ago, and the only reason I was able to log in was because my computer remembered the pw on this site. It wasn’t until a couple hours ago that it finally stopped remembering it and I now have to use a new account. I had that account since ’06 too. lol.
by Precise Films Productions on Jan 23, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Nah it's okay
I like having a new account. haha.
by Precise Films Productions on Jan 24, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Well put FIve Ten.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jan 22, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
The difference between all those cases is that Monta actually ruined our season.
So basketball is more important than the endangerment of other peoples lives? That DUI could have easily been a Leonard Little situation. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/thenetwork/news/2000/01/27/cnnsicomprofile_little/ – That kid is never going to get his mom back.
by superk1ng on Jan 23, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oh okay
I never said basketball is more important. FLAx said that he only cares about what happens on the court, that’s why I said that Monta ruined our season whereas J-Rich didn’t.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 23, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Don't disagree with anything...
…you said, it’s not a positive situation on any front. That said, I don’t think Richardson’s apology really belongs in a discussion of who’s better.
Re: Go ahead and take every point I made and give me a LEGIT counter argument.
I think the main issue I have is that not cheering solves nothing. The best player on my favorite team missed the first half of the season, so now I’m not going to let myself enjoy the other half by hating on him? What end does that serve? You think that will make him think twice about riding a moped again?
Let me ask you this Mr. Dizzle: What does victory look like for the “Do Not Cheer Monta Movement”? You want him to quit? Apoligize? Give money back to Chris Cohan? Do you want to see him cry?
What the heck do you have to cheer this guy for?
He is good at basketball, he’s exciting and he’ll make the team better and more fun to watch. He’s the best player and I don’t want him to play any less than 100%. Booing serves none of those ends. Oh, and I like it when Warriors players score and come up with steals and rebound and when something makes me happy on the basketball court, I cheer.
66 million dollars and missed more than half a season? What is this guy getting paid to do? So what if he was suspended 30 games without pay – he didn’t come back immediately after that. He should have been fined for every game he didn’t play.
All the players get paid to play. So anyone making what they are worth should not be cheered? I don’t get the argument. What do you even care if they fine him for every single game? It doesn’t affect the Warriors overall roster. It’s not like they could suspend him for a few extra games, bank that and use it to go out and sign a non-moped-riding player. So, I don’t care how much he was fined. It has ZERO bearing on the team as it pertains to me as a fan.
Oh right, the money’s coming because he violates his contract and then lies about it. Awesome.
They could have voided his contract. Refuse to cheer for Robert Rowell. Once again, do you want him to give more of Cohan’s money back to Cohan?
But fine, look past all that BS, and why don’t we look at what this kid has done over the last two years…
Sure he’s developed into one of the best finishers in the league, he can take it to the hoop strong and finish. Awesome. He’s young so he can develop. Even better.
He does things finishing that I have never seen another living creature do, on a nightly basis. I want to see more of that. Honestly, RD, I don’t think I could help myself from cheering when he breaks off one of his ridiculous finishes around three defenders. That’s what being a fan is all about, that’s our reward for watching and paying for tickets. I’m not going to rob myself of enjoying that to spite some dumb kid who fell off of a moped.
But what about his handles? Do you HONESTLY think he’s our answer to PG? I for one, say heck no, he’s our SG of the future. But wait, we have like 20 of those.
I promise I won’t cheer when he dribbles the ball of his leg or gets his pocket picked. But, why would that make me hate the rest of his game? How many perfect players are there in the NBA? 10? 5? I don’t see the logic.
Oh yeah, and where was he during the We Believe playoff run? Playing like crap. Don’t give me that "he was young and inexperienced" mess either – look at Leon Powe last year in the Finals – TORCHED the Lakers.
That’s kind of weak. So, because he didn’t play well in his first playoffs as a 20-year old kid, we’re not supposed to cheer him 2 seasons later? I don’t get it.
And you know what really grinds my gears…remember last year when we had to beat the Nuggets to basically get in the playoffs? I sure as hell remember that game cause I was there with my "WE STILL BELIEVE" poster and screaming through the whole game. Until the 4th quarter. Til I saw Monta commit 5 turnovers essentially losing the game for us.
How many games did he win for the Warriors by shooting over 50% and rebounding like a freak for his size? Ok, so he had one crappy game. Also, the team won 48 games in a loaded conference. I don’t see why that makes the moped incident any more or less fogivable. He had an off game. Who’s your favorite player? Jackson? Bukie? They all have off games.
Monta’s better than J-Rich? Right. I do recall J-Rich PUBLICLY apologizing one year when we didn’t make the playoffs. What did Monta do last year when we didn’t make the playoffs? Ride a moped, get injured, lie about it…whatever, we are where we are.
I love J-Rich. My favorite player. That has nothing to do with what Monta brings to the table, and what he brings to the table is entertaining and productive. I’ll let jae quibble with you over who is the “better” player. If I had to have 5.5 years of Monta or J-Rich RIGHT NOW, I’d take Monta. BUT! That has no bearing on whether or not we should cheer for the best player on our favorite team. Is your logic that because they traded J-Rich to get the cap space to sign AB and Monta, and then Monta did something stupid, we should trace back the transaction strings and count that against him?
Fine, cheer our players, they deserve it. But don’t put this kid on a pedestal. He’s not earning his keep.
Ok, I’m 32, married and have a full-time job. I don’t put any athletes on a pedestal. But if he dunks over LaBron, I will cheer cuz that would be sick!
Sir Charles was no role model and nor is Monta.
Agreed, so get over it.
Lucky for me, I have the preview on Friday….
Lucky for me I get to watch two of the most exciting players in the NBA on Friday and cheer when the one on my favorite team gets introduced and root for him to do some spectacular things.
Not to hit and run, but I have to go. I’ll be back in the morning to field the hate-mail.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 22, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
Yes, and a rec!
Awesome, BSD: I was gonna write one of them “thorough” posts in response to RDizzle’s various logical fallacies, but I got stuck at work. You said it much better than I could have, and avoided any of the trademark “Sleepiness” which would likely have ended with me asking him if he needed his Pampers™ changed and him asking me the same about my Depends™… ;-)
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 22, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
<3333
This is the best comment ever.
by goldenstatelove on Jan 23, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Very well put.
Big ups to you man.
Go ME8! and Go Warriors still.
!!!
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jan 23, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I feel ya
I wouldn’t have mind keeping J-Rich over Monta so we can improve that 2007 We Believe team.
At the same time, i’ve kind of accepted how things turned out, and i’m not mad that Monta is still here. It’s pretty much was a win/win for me, either we trade Monta for pieces to make the We Believe Warriors into a contender, or keep him and have him be our future superstar.
As of now, i’m not worried about him playing the point, i’m not expecting him to be the next Steve Nash; especially when this system doesn’t really rely on having a main facilitator for the whole game. A majority of the players on the team can initiate their own shots and don’t really need that “perfect pass” that a great point guard would deliver.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 22, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Do you HONESTLY think he’s our answer to PG?
No. I think Rocky Belinelli is for the time being.
As a matter of fact, he will be your….
[dramatic pause]
Warrior Wonder for your recap.
!!!
[ applause ]
Yez!
Roaracle: Raw-Key! Raw-Key! Raw-Key!
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jan 22, 2009 3:24 PM PST reply actions
Opps. that was supposed to be a reply for you Raw-Dizzle
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jan 22, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
LOLLLLLLL
Any of you folks know if Belinelli comes back on Friday too?
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jan 22, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I want to boo him
But I won’t. I’m just frustrated that this is an injury that he did have control over not to occur, but what’s done is done. I’ll welcome him back. Even though it’s too late playoff-wise, we still need him to boost team/fan morale.
Unlikely
But beating the Cavs will help erase that sour taste in my mouth after losing to the Thunder.
He probably won't play heavy minutes
I, for one, am happy to see him come back but i don’t know if this is the right time. He just started practicing not too long ago and he’s gonna come back and go up against Lebron and the cavs? I hope he doesn’t re-injure himself. I kind of want him to just get a few stints on friday and see where he’s at and then let him murder Baron and the clippers on Sunday.
We are not the same, I am a Martian! -Weezy F. Baby! Ya Diiiigg!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 22, 2009 3:42 PM PST reply actions
i know..
dam..i hope he could just suck it up and play. He owes us that much!
We are not the same, I am a Martian! -Weezy F. Baby! Ya Diiiigg!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 22, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
i hope
nellie plays him 48 minutes! hahaha just playin
by BarnettBeBallin on Jan 22, 2009 3:44 PM PST reply actions
seriously
i thought the same thing as soon as i submit that joke haha
by BarnettBeBallin on Jan 22, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
I don't understand why people would boo
It’s a freaking moped. Who really thinks they are going to get hurt riding a moped? Your just as likely to get hurt in a car accident. It was a totally rare freak accident. He’s just unlucky.
Eh..you never lied about something to cover up a mess up?
I don’t know its not like he committed a huge crime. Plus I’m sure lying about it wasn’t completely his decision.
He just signed a huge contract. He just got scared.
I actually wasn't mad that he lied
Hurting yourself from a moped sounds really stupid, he just said it was a basketball accident to make it less stupid I guess.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 22, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
he just said it was a basketball accident to make it less stupid I guess.
he probably din’t want to say he got bucked off in a gay rodeo?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Ha!
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 23, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
You do realize it was a violation of that 66 million dollar contract he signed about a month prior?
I guess different people have different ways of celebrating getting paid?
My friends and I? We just like to take each other out for dinner and a nice night on the town. Maybe we should try riding mopeds next time.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
IT'S A MOPED!
Not a motorcycle…or dirtbike. Hell, it’s not even a snowboard. Have you ever been on one..do you know how fast those things go? They top out at like 50. There’s a reason they aren’t allowed on the highways.
So how in the world did he get injured so badly?
Seems to be that Monta would be a bit…soft?
We still believe!!
Haha maybe..like I said...rare freak accident
Its like when I was in 8th grade. This girl did a cartwheel and fell awkwardly causing her to be in a body cast for the rest of the school year.
Rare…but they happen.
And?
What does that have to do with anything?
And no I haven’t been on a moped before. My GSoM contract clearly stipulates that I am not allowed to ride mopeds. I’d be risking an injury to my precious little typing fingers.
By the way- Monta and his agent said that it was he was hurt in a "low-speed’ moped accident. Riiiiiiiiight.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
thats because mopeds are low speed! haha
some only top out at 25mph. they are like bikes minus the exercise.
you can hurt ur anckle
teh same amount riding a mountain bike at 10 mph….
accidents happen
immaturity happens
get over it, monta is back…we are the dubs, we should be happy to have our best player back regardless of how he was sidelined
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
why should he appologize
he got punished.
not to mension, im sure he ruined his year…he’s not happy with the accident…he shouldnt have to appologize for an ACCIDENT
yes, he lied…but his management should apologize for that since they call the shots for someone who prob barely graduated high school
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Hey your the one sneeking churros and costco pizza into Oracle.
Quite the role model!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 22, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
*you're
because i know someone is going to nail me for that
what you smokin?
We are not the same, I am a Martian! -Weezy F. Baby! Ya Diiiigg!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 22, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
nothing.
the cavs arent the lakers or the magic. they only have lebron and mo williams (that may be an understatement) but with zydrunas out (who killed us last time) thatll take away an inside threat from us. with all this momentum, monta returning, and the game being at oracle…i really think we can pull away with a win.
i think he is
he may be out a couple of weeks. he took a really hard fall against chicago i think.
We are not the same, I am a Martian! -Weezy F. Baby! Ya Diiiigg!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 22, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
maybe you're right
the thing with the Warriors is you can never tell what they’re gonna do next. How did we lose to all the crappiest teams in the NBA and almost beat the Celtics (defending champs) on their home court and then beat them the second time we played them on our home court? the answer is : Because we’re the Warriors! u never know, i hope they do beat them so Monta’s come back will be even sweeter.
We are not the same, I am a Martian! -Weezy F. Baby! Ya Diiiigg!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 22, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
If we remain competitve
That would be great. We usually play up to better teams (see the celts), so will be interesting.
I just don’t see Sjax defending lebron.
no one can defend lebron (the whole league)
but we can shut everyone else on their team down and mess up the passing lanes…and try to prevent the ball from even gettin to lebron
and we can try to shoot lights out and just win offensively
our only chance really…
i believe, do u!?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
As a fan...
This isn’t something I want make a big deal out of. Yeah, he used bad judgment numerous times throughout moped-gate, but I don’t see any reason to add more negativity to the situation.
He was suspended without pay for the time he missed. He’s back now, and I want the rest of his career as a Warrior to be a positive one. Booing him won’t accomplish anything.
Thing 2
Did he get paid for yesterday’s game? Or how about Monday’s?
He wasn’t without pay for all the time he missed. He should get paid starting tomorrow.
And yes, he practiced, but come on, we’re talking about practice. PRACTICE.
We still believe!!
by R Dizzle on Jan 22, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+
We paid our season tix this year based on him and Baron playing. BD’s gone (no thanks Rowell) and Monta’s missed 43 games thanks to his irresponsible joy riding.
As a fan I’d like some money back for those 43 games and this season as a whole.
(this isn’t a vote to cheer or boo him)
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough...
It would be nice if they kicked something back to you season ticket holders instead of reducing single game tickets to $8 for selected games.
Of course this is totally unrelated to whether or not Monta should receive boos from his home crowd.
Thing 2
I might argue...
…that there’s an implicit understanding when you buy season tickets for a team that you have no iron clad guarantee of receiving the product you had before. That’s occasionally even true for good teams with positive managerial reputations, so to an extent, I think I’m slightly less sympathetic to that argument.
(Not that I’m not sympathetic about losing money on season tickets for this season. I absolutely am.)
Agreed if the Monta injury wasn’t due to negligence and they didn’t specifically market BD + Monta to get people to re-up and pay the highest season ticket price hike league-wide.
Without any type of refund or money back, that’s consumer fraud and poor customer relations in my book.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
Monta’s missed 43 games thanks to his irresponsible joy riding.
43? Din’t they dock him for 30? Is he gonna donate the other 13 to a bay area charity?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Are you being serious?
They obviously had to estimate the time of recovery when deciding on the length of the suspension. Also how do you expect him to prepare to play if he’s not allowed to be at the W’s facility for practice? You can Boo if you want, but I just don’t see how that will help the situation.
Thing 2
Yup
Like I said in my post, I personally want to boo him, but I’m not going to. Booing him will just make him feel down on himself, and probably won’t perform up to par.
I'm pretty sure he can perform above his averages this year of
0 minutes, 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 0 fouls, and 0 turnovers.
We still believe!!
by R Dizzle on Jan 22, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't talking about his stats for this year
I was referring to his capabilities. And before you say “of course he cant. He’s injured,” I’m referring to all games as opposed to just tomorrow night’s.
These guys will be the first to shrivel up and go quiet when he goes off for 30.
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 22, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
haters will be haters
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Why?
Everyone’s rooting for him to go for 30. Re-read the question in the poll.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Of course it's not going to help
But hey, what’s the worst thing that’s going to happen? He’ll hop on a moped and get injured and miss a half a season? Wait, that already happened.
Never said he shouldn’t be allowed in the W’s facility for practice. Just said he shouldn’t get the money for it. Now I understand that if he’s practicing, they have to pay him.
How is cheering for the guy going to help? If anything, that’s going to make it seem that we, as fans, are supporting his actions. People make mistakes, fine, but he shouldn’t have lied. What’s going to make it better you ask? A PUBLIC APOLOGY.
J-Rich did it, why can’t Monta?
We still believe!!
by R Dizzle on Jan 22, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
U guys are like a bunch of stubborn children.
When everyone but ur friends disagree with you on matter, perhaps u may be wrong. You guys are sounding more and more stupid with every comment.
I do give u guys props for backing up each other ;)
by nuttinbutnet on Jan 22, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Stubborn children
Indeed I am. Which is funny because I only have a year or two on Monta.
Why don’t you go ahead and take my challenge above and give me a LEGIT counter argument to the points I made instead of saying I sound more and more stupid…
Cordial discourse, my friend, cordial discourse.
We still believe!!
Another useless comment
olympicmike’s adding intelligent stuff to the discussion (even though we don’t agree here) and that’s appreciated.
nuttinbutAdHominem ;)
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Just because their opinion is different than yours, doesn't mean that they're stubborn and stupid.
If everyone backed down from being outnumbered, the world would be in a bad situation right now. Good thing MLK didn’t back down from his own beliefs when he had to go against hella people. Same thing can be said about everyone else’s opinions. There are many times when large groups of people believe in the wrong thing while only a small handful of people know the real truth; i’m not saying that R Dizzle and Atma are completely right with what their saying, but just because it’s “two guys vs. everyone else” it doesn’t mean that the 2 guys are stupid.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 22, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Whoa, dude.
You just compared Atma & Dizzle hating on Monta to Martin Luther King, Jr. standing up for his beliefs.
And … somebody recc’ed you for it! Who knew John Lewis read this site?
Ah, what the heck, I’ll upgrade you to the green just for the comedy value…
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 22, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
In summary:
Stupid? Obviously not.
Stubborn? Obviously.
MLK? n/a
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by Sleepy Freud on Jan 22, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
It's not THAT kind of comparison. lol.
I didn’t mean to compare them like that, i’m not saying that Atma and RDizzle are revolutionists.
I was basically responding to the following statement:
When everyone but ur friends disagree with you on matter, perhaps u may be wrong.
What I meant is that someone isn’t automatically stupid and stubborn just because he or she is arguing against a lot of people. Just because one opinion has more followers doesn’t make it the best opinion, or the one with more facts; it could also mean that all those people are naive. I’m assuming that the guy I quoted believes that Atma and R Dizzle are completely wrong just because there are a ton of people that are against their opinion.
I only brought up MLK to bring my point into a bigger perspective. Martin Luther King’s beliefs on equality went against a nation full of segregation and racists, and just because Dr. King and his followers were outnumbered and had a lot of people against their opinion at first, it didn’t mean that they were stupid and stubborn. It just meant that they had a clear picture that people soon eventually saw.
And btw, how do you rec a comment/fanshot/fanpost? I remember being able to rec before, but now I can’t find a button on the site to do so. Is it like a privilege that I had that was taken away? Cause there’s some posts that i’ve wanted to rec but couldn’t. oh well.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 22, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Recc'ing
At the bottom of every post, after the time and date, you should see a list of three blue actions: up, reply, and actions. If you click actions, you should get the option to recommend.
On your main point: I understood it, and agree, mostly. Often there are greater truths and greater goods than the (tyranny of the) majority. There are, for example, basic inalienable human and civil rights that don’t coincide with mob rule. Heck, all you have to do is look at the depressing Prop 8 result for proof of that.
At the same time, when you’re making an analogy, the specifics of the analogy do matter. Implicit in your analogy is a connection between standing up for the rights of an oppressed race (thereby standing up for basic human principles of fairness and liberty) … and assassinating the character of a total stranger on a website. As Bob Dylan said
I said, “You know they refused Jesus, too”
They said, “You’re not Him.”
Basically, everything Atma said about the silliness of the Monta/MLK diary applies here … only ten times more so. Monta, whatever else you might say about him, is a special baller. Ain’t nothing remotely special about passing moral judgment on total strangers for “crimes” of the level most of us commit all the time. Indeed, it’s one of the oldest — and lamest — human pastimes.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 23, 2009 4:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oh thanks
Just rec’d your post, hah.
Yeah, I rec’d someone before but I guess I forgot how I did it.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 23, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
That's all fine...
I was just stating what I thought I would do. I’m not saying you shouldn’t boo.
Of course you should consider that hanging on to resentment and ill feelings is bad for your mental health, especially over something so trivial. You can stay mad as long as you feel like, but you’ll probably enjoy yourself more if you eventually let it go.
BTW, if you understand that they would have to pay him to practice with the team and prepare for a game then why did you say they shouldn’t?
Thing 2
Fair enough
Of course you should consider that hanging on to resentment and ill feelings is bad for your mental health, especially over something so trivial. You can stay mad as long as you feel like, but you’ll probably enjoy yourself more if you eventually let it go.
That essentially is why I have a bunch of life problems and can’t keep a girl for longer than a week. Good point.
I say they shouldn’t pay him because in an ideal world, they shouldn’t have to. Doesn’t make much sense to me to pay this guy until he’s ready to be on the court. Now I’m not saying all injured players shouldn’t get paid – if they were doing something team related such as practicing or playing in a game, that wouldn’t be their fault. Marco, Brandan Wright, Beans all deserve their money. I don’t think Monta does as of now.
I also say the Warriors should play Rob Kurz more. Don’t you think I might have lost my mind with all this losing?
We still believe!!
I also say the Warriors should play Rob Kurz more. Don’t you think I might have lost my mind with all this losing?
That’s a strong argument for impairment.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Did anyone...
Even boo him?
i dont think so, people seem excited to have him back
yet can he help a struggling Warriors team?
Cheer!
Yeah his injury was stupid, as well as lying about it in the first place, but I’d say he learned his lesson. Monta back = improvement…eventually. It’s gonna take him a while to get the chemistry with the other guys but it’ll be all good (:
by goldenstatelove on Jan 22, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions
I’d say he learned his lesson
Based on what?
I personally have no idea whether he’s learned his lesson, but that silly And1 MLK/ Monta marketing campaign “Walk in his shoes/ Ball in mine” indicates to me that’s he still make dumb decisions and has the wrong people advising him.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Based on how he can see how much worse we’ve been this year compared to last year (not saying that it’s ALL on him. it’s been a little bit of everything). Based on his suspension and based on all this drama about his contract.
by goldenstatelove on Jan 23, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
To RDizzle and Atma...
To RDizzle and Atma…
I’m going to cheer Monta and support him because I support the Warriors. I follow and watch the Warriors because I love basketball and I love the Dubs.
I don’t watch basketball games or look to players as role models, sources of inspiration, or even placing them on a pedestal. They’re entertainers. Same as actors, singers, and other "celebrities." They’re just normal people who do entertaining things. I could care less about their personal lives, I don’t hold them to a higher standard than regular people (don’t expect more or less), and I don’t "awe" and "fawn" over celebrities/athletes.
People make mistakes. Basketball players are people and Monta is 23 years old… same age as me and hell I’ve made and will make plenty of mistakes. Stuff happens.
What I don’t understand is the hate for Monta’s and his "character" while you LOVE J-Rich.
Tell me what’s worse….
Monta Ellis – hurt himself on moped, lying
J-Rich – DUI and Domestic Violence charges?
Please explain your logic to me as Monta has limited his actions to himself, while J-Rich has endangered the lives of OTHERS.
So back to Monta, I’m gonna cheer for Monta because of what he brings to this team on the basketball court. He’s a special player. Not many possess his finishing ability and athleticism. The Warriors will be a better team with him. That’s why I’m cheering.
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by FLAxwless on Jan 22, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
I don’t watch basketball games
Maybe you should then you’d know the difference between Jrich’s and Montay’s character?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Take things out of context if you life, but no taking J-Rich's transgressions out of context....
On the bad person scale..
Domestic Violence + DUI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> injuring ankle on moped + lying about injuring ankle on moped.
If you’re gonna hate on Monta at least so some perspective and show more displeasure for plays who have BROKEN LAWS and ENDANGERED OTHERS!!!
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Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
skeptic,
pop a few ridilin and stay on topic, i know its tough when you dont have a counter argument…
explain to me what the difference between monta and richardson’s character is on the floor?
sure richardson gave a public apology, but so do politicians, and do we really listen to them…no they’re just trying to save their own ass. so maybe richardson is more diplomatic than monta, but who cares, they are BASKETBALL players.
explain to me what the difference between monta and richardson’s character
If I gotta explain it to you then you won’t get it. You gotta feel it in your heart and soul.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
don't get me wrong man i loved richardson
and he was as loyal as they come. but on the court monta is the better player. he’s a more efficient scorer, just as good a rebounder, better passer, and no better, no worse on the defensive end. and monta is much younger with more potential…
by montamazing on Jan 22, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Man, I never would have thought that Monta coming back would spark so many heated arguments
or maybe I would have..
Bird Lives.
Who owuld have thought that one of the main guys on this board
is such a hater? Wow!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 22, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions
lol
for real, they dump on players most like and love poeple most hate
Don't you think it's ill-advised to even take a poll to boo a member who played a major
roll in the last two years? Why even suggest it?
it makes them edgy and cool
they do their own thing
Just think
Monta
Crawford
Jackson
Randolph or Azubuike
Biedrins (Hopefully)
Maggs (6th Man)
Morrow
CJ Watson
Turiaf
The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!
The 4
That will be interesting – obviously it will be between bwright (size), buike (scoring/defense) and Maggs (scoring, some rebounding).
I think that bwright should start and backed by maggs/AR, and buike backing up jackson.
Damn Im glad Ellis will be back for the Clips Game
Too bad no Baron though. I was gonna cheer when they showed the We Believe footage, then laugh when we torched the Clips!
Monta knows he made a mistake.
He got fined $3 million for it. he doesn’t need our booing to let him know that.
Monta knows he made a mistake.he doesn’t need our booing to let him know that.
What if his surgically repaired foot falls off? Can we boo then??
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
finally we might be able to have a rotation
monta marco cj
crawford buike morrow
capt jack maggs
bwright randolph
Andris turiaf
The thing I like best about Monta’s return is that there might be a resemblance of a rotation finally
is andris playin tomorrow?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
The thing I like best about Monta’s return is that there might be a resemblance of a rotation finally
But still no point guard except marcus sitting knitting
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 8:49 PM PST reply actions
6 and 8 are runnin mates!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
andris is playing, kelenna is not.
i just read the sf chronicle and andris is playing against the cavs but kelenna has a sprained ankle so he won’t be playing.
wow, can we ever get a full roster?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
Man, you get to the point where
when you’re poking around the Internet for Warriors updates, you now start looking at the injury list first..
by IQofaWarrior on Jan 23, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions
I want to boo
the fact that Monta just happens to be making his re-emergence on a Friday night game against the LeBron and the Cavs. Just too fishy for my taste. It’s like someone in the front office had to witness a very tough loss before they went to Monta.
And wouldn’t it have been better to give Monta a home game or two against the Wizards and/or SonicThunder to acclimate himself to the speed of the game?
i love bill!
its kinda the same i guess? not really tho…
people that are anti monta all seem to be pro nelly/pro kurz
so to me, they are pretty dumb.
holding ellis to a double punishment seems wrong. they fined him, it should be done with. double jeopardy. the team should not have the right to rip up his contract any time they want, they signed a deal with him…he went against the deal….he was punished…why should they be able to punish him again for the same thing?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
I like bills too.
The more the better. Kidding. I believe they do have the right. Safety net …just in case Monta isn’t 100% better. I’m sure if he produce more than what is anticipated, then everyone would be happy. (even Atma Brother One)
Let’s go Warriors still….
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