Polling GSoM: Do you want the Warriors to retain the indefinite right to void Monta Ellis' $66 million contract?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 8:30 PM PST
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PrintFrom GSoM friend Tim Kawakami: The return of Monta Ellis: How much difference can he make? (thanks gswfan1)
* 7:10 p.m. update: I know you’re just dying to hear this… or NOT… but Ellis’ agent Jeff Fried tonight said that the Warriors continue to maintain that they have the indefinite right to void Ellis’ $66M deal, despite Fried’s protests. Fried has filed a formal letter of complaint over the issue, in addition to the previous all-encompassing grievance.
This standoff is not over, though Ellis is determined to make his comeback tomorrow night, with or without Warriors’ management contemplating a potential voiding."
I completely sympathize with Jeff Fried and Monta Ellis for not being the least bit happy about the Warriors trying to hold onto the indefinite right to void the entire deal because of Moped Gate. Legally (Disclaimer: My training is not in law) it doesn't seem to be fair to have double punishment over Ellis- fining him $3 million AND maintaining the ability to void his contract and leave him tens of millions "poorer" at any time at their sole discretion.
I typically side with the player over management to seemingly no end. However in this case as a Warriors fan I'm hoping the team can hold onto this right. If Monta doesn't come back 100% or isn't the same player he was or doesn't become the player he's getting paid to become because of that "low-speed" moped accident (uh-huh), I don't want this team's salary cap handcuffed for 5 long years because of a negligent violation of his contract.
Look at what happened to the Orlando Magic with Grant Hill. That was Orlando Tragic. Hill's injury was of course one that he sustained as a direct result of playing and wasn't negligent. To Hill's credit he was the utmost professional about it and handled it like a pro. The fact that he's still playing at the age of 36 despite having all the money anyone could ever want in several lifetimes and pursuing that ring is a testament to his love for the game. Props to him.
But that's just my vote, what do you think?
This is seriously the most entertaining day of this disasterous 2008-2009 Golden State Warriors season... by far. I figure around 11pm we'll hear about this trade finally going down. There's only one thing I can predict with full certainty- it will get even more entertaining.
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Warriors deserve to protect their investment
Monta should focus on playing – if he plays well, there is no need to void the contract.
If he is caught riding a moped again.. dunno.
im pretty sure that was
sarcasm. just a guess lol
we gon' make 'em run, make 'em follow the lead
nelly on the side lines with tricks up his sleeve
in the bay, we go hard cause we playin' for passion
you know who it is, aint no need for askin'
It's like a pre-nup
You never think you’ll need it, but you’re at least prepared in case things don’t go as planned.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 22, 2009 9:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
What if he comes back and can’t put up better than 14ppg and 5apg? That’s quite a steep price at 66 million. Hopefully that doesn’t happen, but I’d hate the Warriors cap to be tied to him if that’s the case.
I’m sure he’d be very happy collecting 66 million with those numbers over the next 5 years, but who cares? That would be terrible for this team.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Or...
Let’s say he comes back, picks up the point with ease, and improves on his numbers last year to start putting up some Chris Paul-type numbers, something like 25, 9 and 5. Than obviously the Warriors should give him a raise to be paid like Paul (a contract that averages 16m per year when his extension kicks in next year).
I’m not saying that Monta will do that, or that he’s the answer to the Warriors problems, but blaming the player for being overpaid is just plain stupid. The Warriors knew Ellis had maturity issues when they signed him.
Let’s say he comes back, picks up the point with ease, and improves on his numbers last year to start putting up some Chris Paul-type numbers, something like 25, 9 and 5. Than obviously the Warriors should give him a raise to be paid like Paul (a contract that averages 16m per year when his extension kicks in next year).
That’s a good problem to have. This is all fictional, but if that happened- Pay da man!
blaming the player for being overpaid is just plain stupid
Whoa. No one’s blaming him for inking that contract- although he probably shouldn’t have signed it if he wasn’t mature enough to handle the responsibility. Happens in the real world all the time. People don’t take promotions, raises, job moves, etc all time, because they don’t think they’re ready for the responsibility or don’t think they can do it.
The point is do you want the Warriors to maintain some sort of “pre-nup”? I don’t think they can legally, but I wish they could.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
No one’s blaming him for inking that contract- although he probably shouldn’t have signed it if he wasn’t mature enough to handle the responsibility.
That’s kind of an oxymoron. If he wasn’t mature enough to handle responsibility, then how would he be mature enough to realize it.
The point is do you want the Warriors to maintain some sort of "pre-nup"? I don’t think they can legally, but I wish they could.
That depends on what you mean by “pre-nup.” If you mean just voiding the contract because a guy gets hurt (whatever the circumstances), then no. They signed him, they have to live with it. This isn’t the NFL. If you mean to put some clause in the contract saying to stay away from mopeds (and I mean somewhat specific things, not something like " avoiding risky behavior") than I’m all for it. I believe the Steelers put a no motorcycles clause in Roethlisberger most recent contract.
following the metaphor
JRich was the first love. Sure, everything turned out ok but you always wonder what could have been
Baron is the runaway bride. Warriors just wouldn’t give him the ring he wanted.
Corey Maggette is what happens when you end up in Vegas, drunk, after breaking up with someone. Yah, it seemed like a good idea then but after sobering up you just think to yourself — “I f’ed up!”
Stephen Jackson was the friends with benefits you decided to marry. Everything was working out, you were getting what you wanted. Now, you just screwed everything up.
Monta was the second marriage. You thought you finally find someone for you. Then, just after exchanging vows you find out he cheated. Now you’re contemplating divorce.
Warriors fans are a mixed of relatives and friends. Some are there to support you and defend your mistakes. Some are there to constantly remind you how many times you screw up a good thing
by lightz0ut on Jan 22, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Wow that metaphor
actually works pretty well in this situation.
LOL
So what does that make Nellie? Nevermind, that’s just gross.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 22, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Re: So what does that make Nellie?
Hef.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 23, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
haha just thought of one more thing
Being a Warriors fan is like losing custody over your child.
You pay a lot of money for them and it’s ok because you love them, but you only get to see them (in this case: in the playoffs) once in awhile.
And it breaks your heart knowing it’s the mother, not them, who’s getting all the money. And no matter how much you give and how much you show your support, you realize it’s the mother who has full control and the child still turns out a screw up in the end.
GSoM:
Worst. Porn. Site. Ever.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 23, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
yep, i know they'd lose at least one fan (me)
our most entertaining player is monta and has been for the last 2 years…we dont have anyone on our roster thats even close to being as entertaining, or being able to be a top 5 in the league player in the near future. (yes andris is amazing too….yes randolph has the potential also, but not in the near future…yes bwright might eventually…yes morrow is fun to watch…etc etc….but monta is MONTAzing)
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
this is like double jeopardy
kinda…but not really…
anyways…he was punished…why should management be able to punish him further for the same crime? this seems very unethical
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
heh sorry for s word in post
is the no room for passion in gsom?
the punishment has been made
to me, it’s a very simple decision: you don’t want monta to be unhappy. he is arguably the franchise player right now. and if you think he’s not, he’s close to it. holding the right to void his contract makes him unhappy and causes more trouble than its worth. for sure.
make him happy and let’s start talking about basketball.
Rowell
has become a distraction. Maybe Cohan wants it that way.
by Nuck Chorris on Jan 22, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
The law is a scary thing.
A formal letter of complaint? Doesn’t that mean…that if Fried does not get what he wants, he is taking legal action? Why does yesterday loss suddenly seem oh so less important? Poor Monta…all this drama and he’s not even playing…yet. (I am looking forward to 6 & 8 rolling…)
Poor Monta
Haha you’re never “poor” if you can get fined 3 million.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 22, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
yessss, 6 and 8 are runnin mates DEBUT!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
No wonder
Monta wants to come back that bad. He wants to show he can play to the same level as before and get the Warriors off his back.
He wants to show he can play to the same level as before and get the Warriors off his back.
Well, the obvious solution is tear up the old contract and write a new one after we see how well he can still play? Give him a one year deal ( actually half a year now) then re negotiate next year. I doubt he’s gonna play well enough to demand more money than he’s getting now so we won’t be taking that big of chance.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2009 10:53 PM PST reply actions
wow, really?
Yeah, someone has to run this show in a businesslike manner.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
come on septic, your comments are stinking up the joint
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 23, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
your comments are stinking up the joint
Have you ever smelled day old crabdribble?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Leave it too GSOM friend TK
to bring sh!t to good news… im starting to think GSOM is on TK’s cojones! when it comes to the dubs, TK is a head hunter. Can GSOM have friends like steinmettz or barnett… I’ll even take inside gossip from sire’s. anything but GSOMTK
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
ridiculous
How anyone could vote no is beyond me. Also, this is a non issue. The warriors “retain the right” to do whatever they want. They retain the right to void Beindris’ contract if they want to. I retain my right to fight for my right to party. I also retain my right to sue Peter McGowan for not surrounding Bonds w/a competent hitter for so many years. Doesn’t mean I’ll win or lose necessarily…but I “retain the right” to do a lot of shiite.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
Here's the real story
Whiel Atma continues to be a shill for TK trhe real story always turns out to be different. As a fan it is always nice to know the truth. So here it is…
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 23, 2009 9:30 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I read that last night too....
Thought what Atma posted was newer than that.
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Sorry but it's just not right to "double" punish Monta.
I was happy and supported Rowell with the 3 million dollar fine but holding the void makes no sense and is unfair legally and team morale wise.
You can’t double punish someone for the same offense. At the time of the incident the Warriors had 3 options: 1) Do nothing 2) Fine 3) void contract. If they wanted to void they should have done it then. However, they deemed it was in their best interest that they just fine Ellis. Ok so be it.
Then having the void issue hanging over the head of our FRANCHISE player can only ruin team morale and Monta’s commitment to the team.
For those who hate Monta and care only about the Warriors… what do you think NBA players will think about signing contracts with GSW in the future? It will be a black eye for the team and a huge deal breaker for many potential FA when deciding between playing for the Dubs or some one else. I wouldn’t want to play for a franchise who will treat their homegrown, young Franchise player like that.
I don’t see how Rowell can miss this. In the end it just goes to show you they’re all about money. They don’t care about putting a winning product on the floor.
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Dude... you beleive Atma and Tim K. come on they only print
false rumors and BS. Atleast ESPN gets it right.
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 23, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
finally...
thank you!!
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jan 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
For those who hate Monta and care only about the Warriors… what do you think NBA players will think about signing contracts with GSW in the future? It will be a black eye for the team and a huge deal breaker for many potential FA when deciding between playing for the Dubs or some one else. I wouldn’t want to play for a franchise who will treat their homegrown, young Franchise player like that.
It will tell them not to come here, violate their contract, lie about it, cost the organization millions of dollars because of negligence, and cheat the fanbase. Seems like a good message to send.
Again at the end of the day free agents don’t care about stuff like this. They want to get paid (e.g. Corey Maggette). No one really cares who is signing the paychecks.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 23, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
True they want to get paid...
… but they don’t want to work for a shady/cutthroat boss either.
In the end the Dubs have folded the right to void so I’m happy.
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I wouldn’t want to play for a franchise who will treat their homegrown, young Franchise player like that.
but the best players would want to play for management that values order and commitment, Montay to them would seem like a loser so they would have no sympathy for him. Maybe we should ask RickBarry what he thinks about it?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
They should retain the right to void as long as they can
which I am guessing is until the summer. Then Monta’s camp will start to apply pressure to the Warriors.
If he’s still good like he was, and the Warriors finish this season strong, then the Warriors will be forced to waive that right or face another mess this off-season. He can also demand a trade. Are they going to be able to sell season tickets to come out and see the team, without Monta, that went 13-30?
That’s if they want to keep him . . .
If he isn’t as good OR they just want to unload his deal and go after someone better, then they have that flexibility this summer. almost like a “team option”.
It’s a no-brainier for the Warriors for as long as they can get away with it.
The downside: I don’t trust the Warriors brass to make a good decision even when they’re holding all the cards (see Jackson’s contract extension).
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 23, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions
I'm somewhat with Ellis.
In my view, Ellis knew the consequences and signed a contract agreeing to the terms. There is no statute of limitations on it, really. At the same time, I don’t think it’d be fair to continue to hold this over his head for much longer. I say keep him on probation for a while then officially state that they will not void his contract, but once he proves he’s worth the money. Otherwise, as a business, the organization must do what is best for its business. That’s WHY they put clauses like that in the contract. The guy is getting paid tens of millions of dollars to do a job everyone would LOVE to have. He has to be responsible and not take that for granted by taking care of himself and the organization.
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