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Reducing the logjam

Monta is back!  Soon enough we may have all our guards/forwards healthy and playing together.  Obviously with with offseason signing of Maggette and the trade of Harrington for Crawford, along with extending Monta, Buike and Jax, we have quite a few of our most talented and expensive players at the same positions.  This begs the question, "How do we handle the logjam?"

Here are the numbers-  $42mm of next years projected $59mm payroll is being spent on our smalls, 71%.  That does not include resigning CJ. 

Our 5 leading scorers are smalls and 8 of our 9 leading scorers are smalls.  Of these players, only Jackson and Maggette are taller than 6'5" and might truly be considered small forwards.

None of our players has proven to be able to run a team at the point in the NBA and yet 8 of our players are listed as guards on the roster. 

Which leads one to conclude that we have a whole lot of 2 guards.  Some that can play the point, some that can slide over to the 3, but most of whom are ideally suited for the 2 spot. 

The good news is that we have some very good players that will help us win games and that many of our quality young guards may be of interest to other teams. 

So, again, how do we handle the logjam?

 

Poll
What should the W's do with their glut of guards?
Let them all play together, don't make any changes
19 votes
Try to make trades for complimentary players
71 votes
Only make a trade if you can get a starting caliber big in return
157 votes

247 votes | Poll has closed

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Hm.

Given our maxed-out cap situation, we could really use some o’ them complimentary players. Do they hand them out on cross-country flights?

/jae/

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jan 26, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wright?

nobody believes in wright?!!?? in time hell become a reliable big just bulk him up a lil first

by nateoak10 on Jan 26, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I believe in Wright,

But if we can trade BW, AR, Crawforf, and Marco for a proven starter (hopefully somewhat in the leauge of an All Star) big, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Too bad our front office is such a debacle, otherwise we might be good someday...

by warriorsscore110 on Jan 26, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

maggs + cj + williams for odom.

all problems solved

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jan 26, 2009 3:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

jamal + monta will work out

and there are way more good PG’s in the draft than PF’s…

id rather draft a pg

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jan 26, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the idea would be Belinelli

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 26, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So, again, how do we handle the logjam?

  The obvious is trade away some 2 guards for a point guard or a power forward. What it would take to get old slow Nelson to do this is anyone’s guess.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 26, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

nelson? u mean management

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jan 26, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nelson? u mean management

  No, I mean Nelson. If he don’t have that power then he shouldn’t be here.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 26, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it’s interesting so far nobody has suggested we let them all play together. I say interesting becuase I know some fans really want to see what Craw/Ellis/Jax/Maggette can do together. I’m not one of them.

I don’t like Crawford’s game. I don’t like Maggette as a starter, there’s a reason he was nicknamed the “headless horseman” in LA, he just puts his head down and drives to the basket every possession. Great off the bench though.

But here’s where I lose some of my fellow GSOMers, I love Ellis but would not be upset by the right trade. I still can’t reconcile how we’ll be able to defend unless he is matched with a backcourt mate who can defend 2’s.

How’s this, I’d trade Ellis, and Buike for Mayo/Conley/Jaric. I’d then trade Conley for the rumored Sessions/Alexander deal. So, Ellis/Buike for Mayo/Sessions/Alexander/Jaric. I’d still look to deal Crawford and Marco for some help in the front court….

by jmaaan on Jan 26, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

conley and jaric?????

i’m sorry that is a horrible trade, and monta is way better than Mayo so no way I would do that trade. Next ridiculous trade…..

by Ali luvs monta on Jan 27, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Monta is better than Mayo, too, but I think you’re a bit blinded by your love. Mayo is just a rookie and he’s 2 years younger than Monta. Compare his game now to Monta’s 2 years ago, he’s got a better game in most phases. I don’t know that he has the upside that Monta does offensively, but I like that he’s a well rounded player. He scores, he shoots from beyond the arc, he knocks down his free throws, he rebounds, he handles the ball well and most important he has the ability to be an excellent defender at the 2.

Jaric is in the deal only to make it work for salary reasons, his contract comes off in ’11.

But for me the deal works because it also gives us a real point guard. Sessions can score, dish and rebound well for his position.

Sessions ought to average 17 points, 4-5 boards, and 6 assists. Mayo will be 21 points with 5 boards and 3-4 assists. And we shouldn’t have to resort to any trickery to try to defend in the backcourt. And don’t forget Alexander was a high pick last year who could turn out to be a good player.

by jmaaan on Jan 27, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

May I remind you that Monta did not play as much as Mayo in his rookie year. Monta just came back from an injury, I don’t think we need to be hasty and just wait and see how the season plays out. Give Monta a chance, I have faith that he will come back strong (I am not blinded by loving my favorite player). Besides, we can trade Belinelli or someone for Sessions

by Ali luvs monta on Jan 28, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not blinded by loving my favorite player

 Haha, yeah you are. Montay would be proud

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 28, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At least I'm not some cynical jerk that thrives on negativity.

  At best you could be :>)

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 31, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh snap!

oh no he diiiiiident!

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 1, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1. Im fairly certain Memphis wouldnt swap Mayo for Monta and especially not in that deal
2. Theres a reason why that Milwaukee/Memphis trade hasnt happened yet; because its a terrible deal for the Bucks.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 30, 2009 6:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Best case scenario...

as discussed in the Morrow/Marco post IMO would be to try to package Crawford, Marco, Wright/Randolph and maybe our pick for a PF. Only problem is I don’t see any realistic takers.

The other option would be to try to pick up another Lotto pick via trade (any takers on a Crawford/Randolph deal?) and increase our chances in the Griffin sweepstakes.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jan 26, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

On the lottery pick,

you cant make trades till after the draft and Crawford might have optioned out by then. But if catch a miracle and pop third, I would trade Marco and Buike and our pick for Griffen and whatever garbage contract they want to give us.

Too bad our front office is such a debacle, otherwise we might be good someday...

by warriorsscore110 on Jan 26, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford, Marco, Wright would be a good package to Toronto. They dont have a PF to offer, but maybe a 3 way deal with JO and his huge 2010 expiring going elsewhere. Something like this maybe?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=319016532426151711356&teams=2828284928&te=&cash=

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 26, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Here is the tricky part. Gooden is a borderline case IMO. He’s an ok starter. He rebounds well, but otherwise isn’t very good defensively. He isn’t very efficient offensively for a big but has some ability to score. Would he make us better? Well he’s an actual PF that can rebound so it would probably help.

The big problem here is that we would be giving up a darn good PF prospect (and Marco who has some value) for a guy with an expiring contract that could walk at the end of the year. I like the way you’re thinking with using Toronto as a third party though. Maybe something similar involving Miami that would net us Haslem?

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jan 26, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haslem?

I think Wright will be better than Haslem.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Jan 26, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree...

I wouldn’t give up Wright to get Haslem. I was just looking for PF that we might be able to get in a three way deal with Toronto. I’d do Crawford for Haslem though. I wasn’t clear but by similar I meant removing Wright. : )

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jan 26, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that idea

I know Miami likes Haslem a lot but I think they could be convinced to give him up with Beasley looking to take over the 4 spot eventually anyway.
Maybe this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=31901653039201061563521652184510&teams=2828141414928928&te=&cash=
 
I think Toronoto improves dramatically by getting new athletic capable scorers at both the 2 and 3 and get quite a few options to give Calderon some relief. Calderon/Crawford/Marion/Bosh/Bargnani is a very good starting lineup or they could go small and uptempo very similar to PHX of the past few years with Calderon, Marion and Bosh playing the Nash, Marion, and Amare roles. I think theyd make this deal.

Miami gets a real center, they bring back Kapono who I think they liked a lot, and they dump Marcus Banks’ contract. It takes them out of the Boozer sweepstakes this summer unless they could re-trade JO in the offseason, but theyd still be fine for the 2010 free agency period and could potentially retain Wade and add another max FA. Beasley gets to move to the 4 full time and has a center next to him that can ease a lot of the defensive pressure. Chalmers/Wade/Kapono/Beasley/JO is probably better than the lineups they throw out now that almost always have at least two guys out of position. I’m not really sure theyd make this deal, but its possible.

The Warriors get a legitimate PF and dump one of the vet wings without having to give up Wright or Randolph. Candace’s bro comes off the books at the end of the year. Next year theyd have Monta/Jackson/Maggette/Haslem/Biedrins with CJ, Buike, Morrow, Wright, Randolph, Turiaf and a top rookie with a little bit of cap room to help make a Wright or Randolph trade to bring in another piece or sign a minor FA. I’d be all for it.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 27, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I wouldnt mind this trade.

by krazybalr on Jan 27, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

me either, looks good.

by jmaaan on Jan 27, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post...

Thanks for taking the time to work out something specific. That’s exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of.

I’d probably do that deal. Seems to make sense for all involved, at least to some degree. If we could gain some experience for Monta at the point the rest of the year and everyone comes back healthy next season we are a significantly better, more balanced team with more flexibility moving forward. It’s nothing to drool over but I think it makes a lot of sense.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jan 27, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've said this many times, but I'll reiterate my opinion:

We have WAY too many guards, and some lack any real promise. I mean, a fair amount of them have real skill, but not the kind of skill we need to make it to the championships, let alone the playoffs.

I say trade CJ/JC (with the addition of any of the above: MWilliams/AR/Kurz for sweetening) ASAP for a legit PF. Both CJ and JC have good ball handling skills and both can pass / shoot with some success, but neither play defense in any way shape or form. I believe that Monta can step up and be the PG we need, and Marco will only continue to grow. If we can land a decent PG in the draft of next year, and trade for another PF, we will be a much more complete team.

by FishStix on Jan 26, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, nice sweeteners

Guy whose gonna be a cheap free agent and never plays even when it’s triple overtime and three players are fouled out, guy that 13 other lottery teams passed up on, and guy that every team in the NBA passed on, twice. Great sweeteners.

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Jan 26, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well Randolph would probably be a sweetener to some. The other two are a joke though. Marcus Williams’ expiring contract isnt big enough to be worth anything and I’m not sure we can even trade Kurz right now.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 27, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we need to establish that yes we do have a point guard

whether it is Monta Ellis or Jamal Crawford, we have a starting point and if something were to happen to that I would be plenty happy to start CJ Watson. Monta and CJ are points, Jamal is just a guard.

Okay now that we have a that established. Yes we have too many guards. Here are the guys that play 1-3

Monta
CJ
Jamal
Bellinelli
Morrow
Maggette
Jackson
Azabuike

Now in my opinion all of these guys deserve to play and they all can help our team in different ways.
A trade should probably be made. I think it would make the most sense to package 1 or 2 of them along with B Wright and try to get a legit star. Amare might be a pipe dream but it is worth a shot, throw in some draft picks. I’m not sure who else is out there.

by Agent Zero on Jan 26, 2009 5:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We have many guys who are 6’5" and under, but few “point guards”. By point guard, I mean someone who can initiate the half court offense, keep the ball moving, and is looking to naturally set his teammates up for easy baskets. Watson and Ellis aren’t at their best trying to be that. Crawford can do that in limited minutes, but I think Belinelli is fitting into that role pretty nicely.

by YaHeard on Jan 26, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just off the top of my head, the premiere point guards in the league’s roles on offense:

Paul: high PNR with Chandler, resulting in midrange j, finish at rim, oop/dish to Chandler, or kick to West/Stojakovic.

Williams: not really sure- also good on the high PNR I believe, plus the Jazz have their funny backdoor system so he has to find cutters.

Nash: high PNR with Stoudemire, not sure how well they run the transition game anymore but that was tailored to his skillset as well.

Parker: I think the spurs like to hit Duncan and let him create or reverse the ball for 3. Also high PNRs with Parker/Duncan.

Obviously this is a radical simplification of the game… but can Monta run the high PNR with Biedrins? Absolutely. Does he have the midrange game, the drive and finish? Absolutely. Can he find Biedrins down the lane or spot-up shooters on the perimeter? Maybe. I don’t remember.

As for keeping the ball moving, I don’t think Steve Nash is necessary. The last Warriors possession during the Pacers game was great ball movement between three very dangerous players- Crawford, Maggette, and Azubuike. I’d be for bringing them off the bench, or at least Crawford and Maggette. They seem like two sides of a coin; wouldn’t really be fair to start one and sit one.

by antihero on Jan 26, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The 3

is not a guard.

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Jan 26, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it kinda is here. Name somebody who plays the 3 for the Warriors who is clearly not a 3.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 27, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

isnt this basically the same post as the morrow/belinellis one below?

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 26, 2009 6:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What do the warriors and a genetically modified KFC chicken have in common?


they both got like 8 wings!

and no effing head.

I personally believe monta can learn to lead, but right now its like watching a chicken with its head cut off.

Nellie’s plan was coming to fruition- an all wing + beans team, but rowell chopped off the part that made it go.

by ChrisPorter on Jan 26, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh?

because the jazz CAN pay Okur, Boozer Kirilenko Williams and Millsap a gazillion dollars? and they have no need for a scoring wing player?

Williams
Maggette
Kirilenko
Boozer
Okur

we’ll throw in CJ Watson (salaries still match) and even a swap of 1st rounders for good measure.

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Jan 27, 2009 1:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the jazz could do way better than that. I think there might be a Mormon uprising if the Jazz did this deal.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 27, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and the Jazz do this because………..why exactly?

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 27, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

owner Larry Miller has said there is no way that he will not pay luxury tax....

and w/ Deron’ extension kicking in next year, AK’s 16.5 mill, Boozer & Okur likely to opt out from their 12.7 & 9 mill deals, Millsap due for his Monta like salary increase and combined with the sizable Harpring, Korver, CJ Miles deals, it’s a certainty that not all will be retained.

They’ll be around 50 mill even w/o Boozer, Okur, Millsap and their draft picks while only having 7 players under contract. luxury tax is around 71 mill. depending on the FA market, they may even lose Boozer & Okur.

Boozer is probably gone since he’ll demand Brand type money which would make it difficult for Miller to field a full squad while staying under the tax threshold (plus they’d lose Okur and Millsap).

if they trade Boozer for anybody who isn’t expiring, it’s likely they lose either Okur or Millsap; unless they trade Millsap for a player who is still on a rookie deal that at worst ends in ‘10-’11 (when AK’s massive deal ends). then trading Boozer for someone on a comparative deal to the one he has now. this would allow them to probably resign Okur and still have 3 good players.

i think they’ll try to trade AK for an expiring… but that’s going to be rough. Harpring, Korver and Miles are probably going to be on the block as well, but i doubt they’re moved.

they’ll probably end up losing Boozer and trying to resign Okur and Millsap.

by the evil monkey on Jan 27, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That still doesnt explain why they would make this deal. At all.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 27, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

unless you think

Ronnie Brewer is heads and shoulders better than Corey Maggette. Its an instant upgrade at the 2 spot for them.

Maggette
Randolph
CJ Watson
09 1st rounder

for

Brewer
Millsap
Harpring
09 1st rounder

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Jan 27, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

do you for one nanosecond believe Sloan would trade for

maggette & randolph to play for him in Utah? Playing for Sloan requires toughness, defense, discipline and team-oriented basketball savvy – none of which our erstwhile players seem to possess, never mind that Sloan is notorious for not making mid-season trades/changes.

by hardcore on Jan 27, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree it’s not going to happen, and I love Sloan. But his defensive reputation is interesting, because while his teams play pretty solid defense, he’s always got a couple of players who are not good defenders. Boozer is below average, for instance and his centers have often been big, sometimes skilled, but never quick, athletic, or great defenders, IMO. Still, he always has enough players playing excellent defense to make the team work. And Boozer and Maggette on the same floor would not work for him. Randolph is a joke right now, and Utah’s looking to win before Miller loses any more body parts.

by jmaaan on Jan 27, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like AK, but in this environment if they can get rid of him for an expiring contract it’s a coup. I think you’re right on, I think they wait until the offseason, lose Boozer and resign Okur and Millsap. Okur could decide to not opt out and become a f/a in ‘10 with every one else when teams may have more $. But that doesn’t really change anything.

Now if I were going to lose Boozer, I’d try to trade him for an expiring contract and a good player with a low salary. That would allow them to retain Millsap and Okur and still get something in return for Boozer. I know Utah’s making a run, but if I’m them, I look to trade him before the deadline because he could just walk to Miami next offseason.

by jmaaan on Jan 27, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, if I was Utah I’d be trying to sell Miami on a Boozer/Harpring for Marion/Chalmers type deal or some kind of a 3 team trade, but I really doubt they will.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 30, 2009 7:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Roster Analysis on alleviating guard logjam

People keep throwing in Marco and Morrow into trade ideas but I feel that both Marco and Morrow should not be traded for the purpose of alleviating our logjam. I understand that they are probably the easiest to trade given their potential and/or salary, but those are the exact reasons we should not trade them.

1) Marco Belinelli – he has shown the ability to initiate an offense with is court vision and passing. To add to that, he has played tough defense (and has had the toughest defensive assignments: e.g. Kobe) and can be a good scorer.

2) Anthony Morrow – As I mentioned, for the price we’re paying him and the fact that he’s a deadly shooter AND the fact that he continues to improve other aspects of his game, there’s no reason NOT to keep him.

3) Anthony Randolph – he’s 19 and his extremely high potential has not been tapped. We need to be patient with him and not throw him into trade ideas for the purpose of alleviating a logjam. He is also one of the few “bigs” we have that does the things Nellie likes (not that I’m trying to cater Nellie, but at the same time, I’m not going against his philosophy because what’s the point? He’s here for two years, period).
 
I think it’s safe to say the following players will not be traded given their contracts:

1) Maggette – I think his value is pretty good right now off the bench. Plus, he doesn’t really directly effect the logjam since he doesn’t play the 1 or 2.
2) Jackson – he should be our starting 3 with Maggette backing him up.

I would not be sad if we let any of the following players go via trade:

1) Kelenna Azubuike – as much as he’s been a great scoring contributor, we don’t really need him. We already have enough scorers. He rebounds well for his size but I’d say he’s a sub-par defender (both on ball and team) and he’s one of the worst passers on the team. I’d say given the above explanation of why Marco and Morrow shouldn’t be traded, Kelenna becomes the odd-man out here as the position he plays contributes to the logjam. His contract is very tradeable and would be a good package player in a trade.

2) Jamal Crawford – he’s easy to pick on given his large contract and his one-dimensional play. He’s a lot like Maggette except he’s got a workable contract (especially if he opts out). But at least Maggette tries to play defense, where Crawford just seems completely lost and/or he just doesn’t care. Defense is without a doubt the team’s biggest defect next to rebounding. Why not eliminate that while alleviating the logjam by somehow trading Crawford, even if he opts out next year…let’s get a head-start on the process.

3) Marcus Williams – I’m not joking when I say this, I think if Marcus Williams was the only small player on the Warriors, Nellie would still not play him. Let’s say we got rid of Crawford, Azubuike, and CJ and we’re left with Ellis, Belinelli, Morrow, and Jackson (sliding to the 2 on occasion), Marcus Williams will still not get PT. Let’s trade him if we can.

4) CJ Watson – I’m on the fence with CJ. I think he’s proven to be a consistent jump shooter and great defender in the passing lanes. I think his on ball defense is nothing to write home about. His court vision is piss poor as well, but it seems to slightly be getting better on the fast break. I think with Nellie as coach, he will find a way to play CJ, but I wouldn’t be too sad to see him go if it means we can alleviate the logjam and allow more consistent PT for Belinelli and Morrow.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 27, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I just realized

Anthony Randolph doesn’t really need to be included in my post as all I am pointing out are players that play the 1 or 2 (with the exception of Maggette).

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 27, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with everything you said, except...

I would definitely want to keep Buike. While he might not be the best passer, he ain’t bad on defense, and will continue to develop as an offensive threat. Also, he’s strong willed and strong bodied, aka he’s just a good kid in general.

by FishStix on Jan 27, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

FishStix

I understand and agree that Buike’s been a great player for us, but he doesn’t bring anything different to the table than what basically the entire roster of guards we have brings: scoring.

The Warriors don’t have a logjam at a certain position, they have a logjam of the same type of player. I think Marco and Morrow diversify from just the scoring wing player, and that’s why I think they should not be traded.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 28, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry bro

Didn’t mean to steal your thunder. I actually read your post a while back and agree with it.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 28, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a “bit biased”? No, if youre serious then you’re totally delusional. Lets see: Morrow and AR over Mayo, Beasley, Love, Oden, Bayless, Rose, Augustin, Westbrook, Lopez, Fernandez, Gasol, Speights, Gordon, Chalmers, Mbah a Moute, Hill, Thompson, Lee, Batum……. Neither one is a top 10 and maybe not even top 15 rookie. I like Morrow a lot and think he can be a solid role player. I’m optimistic about AR but lets not get carried away bojangles.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 27, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We finally see a bench

Full of potential, and everyone starts clamoring for a trade. Sure there are deficiencies in size on the roster, but Maggette has been playing the 4 because Nelly says so. Buike, Beli, Jackson and Morrow all play the 3 at times. Beans is always at C, Turiaf plays the 4 sometimes, and Wright can play as center in certain positions.

Point being, sure the Dubs are loaded with smalls, but the growth and developement of Wright and Randolph are the future. Obviously we are in the lotttery for a high draft pick, and if we pick up another big who turns out well then the Warriors will be a force in the West.

If it doesn’t involve Amare, Boozer or another all star rumored to be traded then people should watch the complete team before they start talking about 3 team trades with our core players. Having this bench with all these scorers means players won’t be as tired in back to back games. Plus between Monta, Maggette, Jackson, Crawford and yes, even Buike, Beli and Morrow, you have so many players who can have a 25-40pt night, it’s amazing.

The pop ups on this site are starting to piss me off.

by danielholl on Jan 27, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maggette has been playing the 4 because THERE's NO ONE ELSE

Wright or AR might be our future, but look at AR’s +/- # …

by hardcore on Jan 27, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think a team can win long term with Maggette playing the 4. Or with Bellinelli playing the 3. None of our smalls should be playing the 4 and only Jax, Magg, and Morrow should ever play the 3.

Wright and Randolph are far from sure things and you can never have too many quality bigs. If we somehow end up with a logjam of very good bigs, we can certainly move one easily. Right now I only think we have one player that fits that mold, and he can’t play two positions.

Yes, any of our smalls can go for 30 any given night, but they can’t do it together, since they can’t all play at the same time. I think we get to attached to our own players and think they are better than they really are. Most of our smalls ceilings are that of excellent backups, or average starters. Only Crawford, Jax, and Ellis are quality starters, so what’s wrong with trading one of our multitude of good backup 2’s for at least a good back up 4 or 5? If not a starter?

by jmaaan on Jan 27, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nellie's a loser

and without him and the idiocy thatt is nellie-ball, there would be no logjam.

by nelliehater on Jan 27, 2009 4:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why?

I’d give up half the roster for a deal or three that might reduce the drag on our cap, give us a credible big who’d rebound, defend, and score a bit, etc.

by hardcore on Jan 27, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

only half? I’d be shopping anyone not named Monta or Biens and even they should be available for the right deal IMO.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 30, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

because of the playoff run?

by jmaaan on Jan 27, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

because of the playoff run?

  I think he means cause no one would want them?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 28, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ah, it’s hard to get rid of anyone right now.

by jmaaan on Jan 28, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m more than satisfied with the guards and SF’s that we have. We need a better starting and backup PF than we have at the moment. Wright will probably be a great PF, but I still think that he should be a backup. As for Centers, as the first Rockets game demonstrated, we need more of them, especially since Ronnie is an undersized center. I think it would be great if we could get a true center to back up Biendris (that can also survive in our runnning system, something O’bryant wasn’t able to do) and put Ronnie as our starting PF. Then we’d have size as well a group of players that can play nellie ball.

I say trade away a few guards to get a few 4’s or 5’s. Remember, few means less than three.

Ellis to the RIM!
Monta for the win?! YES!

by XIAOXIAO on Jan 28, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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