Time To Go Old Man
by montadaboss on Jan 29, 2009 7:44 AM PST
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Old Man Nelson has had his glory days. However, the end of this "great" second era for nelson has got to come to a close. His defensive strategy or lack there-of has become very obvious. At this point on a scale of 1 to 100 (1 being slow or ability) this is how the warriors rate.
Ability:
Offensive Ability: 60
Defensive Ability: With Jax or Maggs at the 4 it would get a 35
With Turiaf/Wright/Randolph in with Biedrins 60
Coaching:
Offensive Tempo: 100
Defensive Pressure: 15
Help Defense: 10(because of Turiaf)
Fast Break: 80
As you see the warriors have the talent on a team with a coach such as George Karl/Rick Adelman (good offensive coach, good defensive coach) this team could still be exciting while averaging 100-105 points a game while giving up 100 a game. Nelson has us around 108 and the other team at 111 which is unacceptable. This clearly means the offense does not have enough chemistry(aka too many guards) or talent(which i dont believe is the case) .
Its time for this old man to retire and get that depo money from Cuban. Bye Bye Miss Don Nelson. Rode My chevy to the levy but the levy was dry. this is the day that i die.....
Keith Smart for Coach
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Can I use those ratings for my NBA2K9 sliders?
15 on Defensive Pressure may be a little high. Though I suspect the Mavs may have had invisible force-fields around their ballhandlers last night.
by JRDub on Jan 29, 2009 8:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
it would work but 2k9 wont let any center score unless they have a 99 shot tendency so i always have crawford, jack, monta at 20 a game, and maggette at 15 and beans at 6 lol
by montadaboss on Jan 29, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't say anything just yet
It would depend on who we get for Nellie. If it were Avery Johnson, I’d say do it in a heart beat.
by Golden Boy on Jan 29, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
How about...
Hubie Brown. Any chance he could coach this team for 1 year? Would he even want to?
by Colorado Fan on Jan 29, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell no
He had those Detroit teams. One season even while Big Ben was still there. They got the #1 seed, and still got knocked out in 6 to the Heat.
by Golden Boy on Jan 29, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I say..
Bring in Rick Barry to coach to the team..
.. CSN had this interview with RIck Berry and he said that he was really trying to be the head coach of the team during the Jamison/Arenas era of GSW.. but the higher ups at the time shot him down..
I mean.. why not?.. He looks like the type that the players would really respect and follow and he looks like he dosen’t take any shit neither so… and plus it would be good PR for the team..
by NIKKOFRANCHISE on Jan 29, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Barry
gets no respect. I mean, sure, his personality might be a bit…volatile…but the man knows basketball. I would welcome him to be any part of the Warriors.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jan 29, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Barry?
puke. no. no way. no chance. never. god no. awful.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 30, 2009 4:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
out of interest...
what are you basing this opinion on?
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 2, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt do Avery personally..
ive read that he turns his players off, and is too overbearing, and oh yeah, he doesnt coach defense either. Something this ballclub seriously needs to adapt to. Id rather steal Brian Shaw away from the lakers and give him a shot if thats the case.
tough to say, who is even available??
by meximocha on Jan 29, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dallas was a good defensive team once he took over
Then he coached them to the Finals the next year. Imo, the Mavericks were/are currently a team falling off no matter what, so to me, Avery’s not to blame. Plus the smart people over there traded Devin Harris for Jason Kidd (Sarcasm)
by Golden Boy on Jan 29, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how good would they be with a fresh legged Devin Harris
Kidd is great and all, but he’s what? 35? He’s a hall of famer but shouldn’t be expected to carry a team to the promised land anymore.
by Calamity on Jan 29, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
I’d love to have him on my team, but as a back-up. He’s just too old now to carry the load full time.
by Golden Boy on Jan 30, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yawn
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Jan 29, 2009 10:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
he
signed a extension. rowell wont fire him so lose lose.
by saintdee on Jan 29, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
we need a mircale for our team to get right.
i love the warriors too much to leave so i’m a fan for life. I guess all i can do is keep hopeing and praying that everything works out for us
by GSW9 on Jan 29, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
They could buy him out, but our idiot front office would never do that this year.
Now, if our roster still sucks NEXT year, that’s a different story.
by ryogahibiki on Jan 29, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
stupid people
let’s just fire the coach, ruining our cap space even further… cuz there are NO OTHER PROBLEMS with the team right?! jeesus.
by HoLdEmUP on Jan 29, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Our coach’s salary doesn’t affect our cap space
by YaHeard on Jan 29, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NellieHater...
Where you at?
B*tch! I GO so hard!!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 29, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yo NellieHater!
Where you at? I thought you would be all over this one by now?
B*tch! I GO so hard!!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 29, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nellie's a loser
but at least he doesn’t make up numbers to make a point.
by antihero on Jan 29, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think we should.....
sign Sprewell to a 10 day contract and have him give Nellie a good choking during practice.
by nuttinbutnet on Jan 29, 2009 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In 5 or 6 years,
we should draft David Ando. My freshman friend who is ranked top 25 in Cali for his class.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 29, 2009 3:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My freshman friend who is ranked top 25 in Cali for his class.
I was ranked 25th in my Shakespeare class
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 29, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
25th
That’s not good.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 29, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you were ever ranked higher,
you don’t really have the right to talk.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 29, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't get butt hurt
He won’t make the NBA
by Gurthy on Jan 29, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the NBA does have a thing for abnormally tall people.
He was 6’0" in the eighth grade, now he is 6’4" in the ninth grade. If he keeps growing I think he can get to the 6’8 area. Did I mention he’s 14?
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 29, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not tryna hate
But do you know how many 6’8" guys DON’T make it to the league that were ranked that high in High School? Or even just guys ranked that high in general. In the Bay Area alone, there have been dozens of players that were beasts in High School that never became college stars. They had good college careers, but the way they looked to all of us watching, we thought they’d be lottery picks. Just to name a few: DeMarcus Nelson, Quentin Thomas, Armondo Surratt, Antonio Kellogg, Ayinde Ubaka, and there’s wayyyy more. Again, I’m not hatin on your boy because I’ve never seen him play.
Anthony Morrow's jumper is so pure, he has to cut it with baking soda.
by dindin on Jan 29, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a problem.
I’m just saying he’s probably going into the NBA. I never said he’d be a lottery pick, I just said we should draft him. By the way, even though I’d like for that to happen, I’m not starting a movement or anything, it’s about four years early for that.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 29, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let the Ando movement begin!
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 29, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't say that
He’s probably going to the NBA. No. Its okay to say He’s probably going to D1 college, but the NBA is a big step up from D1. And Most 6’8" D1 players don’t make the NBA
I guess you don’t really know what has to fall into place to make it into the NBA.
It’s not all about skill, but about luck as well
by Gurthy on Jan 29, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Calm the hell down.
I’m just saying it because he’s my friend. Wouldn’t you like to say that your friend might make the NBA? Geez, I’m sorry if that offended you but you don’t have to state 101 reasons why my friend sucks and won’t make the NBA,
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 29, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of my closest friends was 6’6" with crazy hops at age 14, playing varsity ball, and getting recruitment letters and scouts showing up to all our high school games to check him out. He went on to be 6’7" and bounced around playing junior college, DII, and low level DI ball. No NBA. Dont get offended, he’s just saying that a 14 year old, even a highly touted 14 year old, is a looooooooong way away from the NBA and most people under the age of 20 dont realize that . Especially if they are, or are close to, a highly touted player who has everyone around them telling them how awesome they are, how they are a cant miss prospect, and how bright their future is. Good luck to your friend but his chances of ever playing in the NBA are still roughly 1/100,000.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 30, 2009 4:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying it because he’s my friend.
You should have made that clearer, then. Nobody likes a BS-er.
Wouldn’t you like to say that your friend might make the NBA?
I might like to say it, but I wouldn’t post it on an internet hoops board unless it were true. And there’s a big difference between saying “might” and “probably will.” Your friend is not “probably” going into the NBA. Get over it.
Geez, I’m sorry if that offended you but you don’t have to state 101 reasons why my friend sucks and won’t make the NBA.
He didn’t. He just suggested you be realistic — never a bad thing.
Calm the hell down.
Right.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jan 30, 2009 4:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your a Moron!
You hop on GSOM and brag about your homie PROBABLY going to the NBA… then u get butt hurt when we make you realize he’s PROBABLY NOT going to the NBA.
Get a grip buddy.
Your trying to hype up your boy… and you got shut down.
Don’t cry little guy. You’ll get over it
by Gurthy on Jan 30, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we
should draft him because he’s ur friend? lol
by saintdee on Jan 29, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better than Kurz.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 29, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and he's only 14?
Haha, When I was only 14 I was better than Jordan.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 29, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in humor? Or in Shakespeare? He must've been that 26 student....
You sure make some people proud.
by Shells on Jan 29, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in humor? Or in Shakespeare? He must've been that 26 student....
Haha, Yeah me an Michael sittin in the back chillin with ?F’s
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 30, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
weren't the 'good' students always sleeping?LGW!
by Shells on Jan 30, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
weren't the 'good' students always sleeping?
I don’t know, they wouldn’t associate with me.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 30, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When I was 14,
I had a pretty sweet crossover and a decent mid range game.
We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim
by warriorsscore110 on Jan 30, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shakespeare Class
I haven’t taken a Shakespeare class.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 29, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by
that logic none of us should be allowed to post.
by saintdee on Jan 29, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
don’t say it’s not that high if you were never ranked that high.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 29, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
I thought we were talking about being 25th in a Shakespeare class, not David Ando being ranked 25th in California.
I apologize.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 29, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad,
I wasn’t trying to look like a d**k
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 29, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I can read.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 29, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he was talking about
Rankings, don’t mean much. I was 25th but there was only 26 students. :>)
I know a kid who was point guard and MVP on the state championship team a couple years back and he is still tryin to make it. The odds are not good so tell that 14 year old to get an education first. Don’t want him to end up like this.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 29, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Jan 29, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson said..
he wanted Keith Smart to take over after he was gone..
i wouldn’t mind.
by synyster on Jan 29, 2009 9:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let's see... he's our defensive coordinator...
and we have the worst defense in the league…..
head coach? uh, something feels off here.
by FishStix on Jan 29, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you expect?
Did you notice our team is full of players who have never been known for defense? Are these people suppposed to suddenly know or care how to play defense? First move that needs to be made is to deal crawford, watson, and either Wright or Randolph for a big, solid PF to give us tough D, inside presence, and rebounding. Next we draft a solid pass first PG who plays D. If Nelson still can’t make it happen with a more balanced lineup, then dump him. But at this point, it really won’t help to just fire Nelson, especially with no clear replacement.
by Pearlsofwisdom on Jan 29, 2009 11:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m pretty sure I’ve said this EXACT statement, JC/CJ + Randolph for a big and hope for a PG in the draft.
by FishStix on Jan 29, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just for the sake of nothing
What “big” might JC/CJ + Randolph net us?
by hardcore on Jan 31, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or we draft a PF and trade for a pass first PG.
but yes, i agree 100%. we need a facilitator on offense. all this “who can play 1 on 1 the best tonight” business has got to stop.
by HoLdEmUP on Jan 30, 2009 3:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm...
you’d give a lineup of Monta/Crawford/Jackson/Randolph/Biedrins a 60 DEFENSIVELY?!!!!!!! You are nuts. Our D sucks no matter what lineup we have in. Part of that is the uptempo style Nellie tries to run, but its also because we have terrible, awful defensive players. These are also guys that were terrible defensive players under every coach theyve played for. Monta gambles too much, Crawford doesnt try hard enough and avoids contact, Maggette doesnt work at it, Jackson is overrated defensively, Turiaf ignores every aspect of defense other than shotblocking, Biedrins is a bit light and still needs work on his defensive footwork……..
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Jan 30, 2009 4:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i think for us to win we need consistently either Wright or Randolph need to play PF
because they will develop faster and the faster they develop into their potential the faster we can compete for a champion or at least the playoffs
by GSW9 on Jan 30, 2009 8:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
jackson extension.....
JACK’S extension contract as a player be used as his contract as the DUBS new head coach……. and let’s take a wild ride next year WARRIOR fans……… i can see a lot of coach ejection nxt year.. ahehehehehe
by goldenboywarrior on Jan 30, 2009 9:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
DON NELSON has alzheimers
he should retire ASAP… he doesn’t even remember names of his players.. he sometimes mistaken MORROW for JACKSON.. when MORROW is heating it up on the threes and JACKSON is having a lot of turn-overs, he will take out MORROW instead of JACKSON … why? because he thought JACKSON is MORROW (maybe because of the headband they both wear) a simple case of ALZHEIMERS DISEASE…. we thank you NELLY for the 2007 playoff.. but please RESIGN IMMEDIATELY …. YOU ARE BREAKING OUR HEART!
by goldenboywarrior on Jan 30, 2009 9:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
dude
this has definatly been said a bit to many times. We already signed Nelson to a multi year contract so just suck up. Plus you really can’t blame it all on him, he’s trying to teach these very young atheletes, one of which is 19.
A bay area lova
by johnnyxboy on Jan 30, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
WE DONT BELIEVE IN SUCK UP!
everybody will suck up when NELSON leaves
by goldenboywarrior on Jan 30, 2009 9:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think we should look at hiring Iavaroni for the bench. He’s got plenty of experience in an up tempo game (Phoenix) but, most important, he’s supposed to be good at developing young bigs.
by jmaaan on Jan 30, 2009 1:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
NOOO Nelson is a genius at offense
ok but not at the defense
We Believe
by RunNdGun on Jan 30, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why do people keep referring to Nelson as a genius?
I think most of the time he’s just drunk.
B*tch! I GO so hard!!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 2, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldm't have a problem with him if he played a big lineup at least 85% of the time
by GSW9 on Jan 31, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Big Lineup
The problem with that is, is that if Turiaf and Biedrins both start, there is no one to back them up that has size, especially with Wright injured. That just leaves Kurz and Randolph.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 31, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What happened in Houston is why we don’t start them together
by hardcore on Jan 31, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nellie's a loser
however, i prefer to reply only to those posts which are not anti-nellie in their themes, but rather mention other problems the warriors are having. my nellie-hating replies thereby offer rational alternatives to the team’s woes.
others can post their rants against nellie on themes such as this one, but i will not stoop so low as to state the obvious (such as that nellie is a fat, undisciplined, blackmailing, lying, alcoholic, scumbag who refuses to acknowledge the uselessness of nellie-ball).
no sir, i will not do that.
by nelliehater on Feb 2, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
this guy is hella funny!! I hate Nellie too but it’s hella funny because you sound hella bitter and you just keep talkin smack about him any chance you get!! I love it!! haha boooooooo fat man Nellie!!
Big ups!!... to all my haaaaterrrrrss!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 2, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hella funny because you sound hella bitter and you just keep talkin smack about him any chance you get!!
I din’t know those crazy street people had internet access?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 2, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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