RECAP: Warriors 114, Jazz 119 - DO YOU BELIEVE NOW?
by R Dizzle on Jan 5, 2009 11:27 PM PST
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I don't know what the rest of you saw tonight but that's what I watched for 48 minutes straight.
And it was straight awesome.
In the words of Bob Fitzgerald...
DO YOU BELIEVE NOW?!?!?!
Can't forget that though.
This was pretty nice.
Little better angle.
AK looks so...upset.
That guy in the background is contemplating the dunk.
And one last time for good measure.
Ok on a serious note...
They played hard...gotta give em that. I'm pretty sure no one expected that we would be so close til the end, ESPECIALLY with Jack leaving at the end of the first half. I hope he's going to be alright because there really is no substitute for SJax.
By no means did I think they were going to win at the end but there were some glimpses of hope at the end of it all. But let's be real, the Warriors just CANNOT stop the Jazz. As much as I hate to admit that, that's just the way it is.
Some Quick Shots - Dubs Style
Jamal Crawford - How in the heck did you play all 48 minutes?
Andris B. - I like the double-double tonight, 14 points and 17 boards.
Rob Kurz - It's gettin hard to defend you buddy.
CJ Watson - 23 minutes, 5 points, 2 assists?
Anthony Morrrow - Hot hand like what! 15 mins and 14 points! KEEP SHOOTING!
Anthony Randolph - DNP? Ruh Roh...
DeMarcus Nelson - DNP? I KNOW WHY!
Jermareo Davidson - Didn't we draft you or something?
Carlos Boozer - PLEASE COME TO THE WARRIORS NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU.
My attempt to increase our ratings in the Gender Analyzer.
Jazz Fans and Bad Sportsmanship
Yes, we all believe this - you Jazz fans are terrible. Well, I'll give Shums his props for commenting and being respectful in the open thread - but that'll be about it.
I CANNOT believe that ridiculous blown whistle that turned into an easy basket for Koufos. First of all, a whistle WAS blown, which is why EVERYONE (both Warriors and Jazz players) on the court stopped the play. Then, as everyone looked at each other wondering what was up, Koufous goes down for the easy bucket. Fine, a stupid fan in the building blew a whistle that he or she snuck in. But why give the points to the Jazz? Why not be fair, erase the points, and start the play over? Doesn't seem right...
Oh ya, and that foul called on Maggette also didn't make much sense. I understand Deron Williams got fouled - not gonna dispute that. But why in the world did AK get 2 points and then D. Williams was allowed to shoot one for the foul line? Wouldn't it have made more sense to call the play dead at the time of the foul? I'll admit - I haven't read the rule book or anything, but I don't think that was played out right.
We probably wouldn't have won the game even if those plays WERE called correctly but...
THAT'S 5 POINTS.
In case you need some good bedtime reading tonight...
Corey Maggette. Great first game back - played hard and put up good numbers off the bench. Nellie's plan to limit his minutes didn't quite work out but Jack was injured and Maggs was playing well. It looks like he might have found his new role being our 6th man...
AND ONE LAST TIME FOR GOOD MEASURE!!
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enjoyable game to watch
but wow…those 2 calls were RIDICULOUS…just wow… (the fan whistle and the deron williams AK call)
anyways…i posted something in the thread for the game, but i doubt anyone is gunna read it now, so ill post it right here
CJ = BAD FOR THE DUBS
wow, does this kid suck at the point or what?
-you see him try and try to break down the opponents defense, has trouble…wastes like 10 sec, then gets it to crawford to try to do the job for him
-OMG he is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad on D….every time he is in, it DESTROYS our defense. he gets passed EASILY by EVERY player, which forces our ‘bigs’ off their guys to help, and BAM, pass and a bucket…IF U WATCH, ITS CJS FAULT!
-WOWOWOWOWOW, HE IS SOOO bad on the fast break, its like he has NO IDEA WTF TO DO!?!?!!? this is the wrong team to not know how to fast break….even BEANS, our CENTER is like 100x better at distributing for the fast break
ugh…get rid of CJ his +/- is probably TERRIBLE…
pleasseeeeee bring baron back at all costs! maggs + williams + cj, PLEASSEEEE
-Deeps
PS:
i should say…he sucks PERIOD, not just at the point…all he can do is shoot open 3s from the right side, and some jumpers from the right side…he cant even drive and lay in well…ugh
we dont need a SG, we got craw and ellis and morrow and belli, who are ALL better at the SG position, and probabky ALL better at the PG position (well except morrow..and i dont like belli at the point much either, but hes startin to grow on me…a little…rather see him at SG)
on a side note, anyone else think maybe we need the faux hawk back? maybe morrow?…and turiaf with a MR T hawk IMO
wow deeps your dumb
C.J. has earned that back up point slot. sure he had a 8 +/ lasts game but so did turiaf their best defender on the team. we would have lost to the celtics and toranto if we didnt have him because CJs one of the most cluch on the team. against the wolves he was one of the only 4 players to have a + and the game before that against toranto he had the second highest +/- hes averaging more steals than TOs a game as a point guard too. i know we have a lot of guards but thats just how nelle plays. warriors need cluch 3s and watson is shooting 46% right now
dude if u watch the games
u would realize that every time CJ comes in, he single handedly DESTROYS our defense. he lets guys passed him EVERY time forcing our bigs to help him with his job, leaving their men open to a pass and ez hoop
seriously, watch all the games and tell me that CJ doesnt destroy our defense…
also
how are you defending a guy that has only played well (offensively only) like 10 games…seriously…no. hes a huge liability on defense, he screws over fast breaks EVERY time, and he can only shoot well from one side, and cant drive well AT ALL.
woa man
this is CJs second year too. most players dont have that well of a defensive structure going into the NBA because its totally different from collage and developmental. not everyone plays defense perfectly there first years in. what matters is that CJ has gotten a lot better lately with his defense. hes also defending some of the best SGs and PGs lately you cant trash a second year player for not playing defense perfectly on deron williams probably the best point guard aside Chris Paul
i gotta admit
even though i was in favor of letting baron move on (before we all found out about the ridiculous maggette signing), i watch the old warriors playoff games and remember how even baron could put a smile on my face
Loved to see Maggette get involved.
Maggette added a tough dimension that the Warriors had been missing. And it was positive to see him getting the ball… and passing around.
He took 9 shots tonight. Guess how many were outside the key. 2. Just 2.
Thats why he was productive, and that’s why we got him the first place.
If Maggette keeps playing like this, I wouldn’t even think of trading him.
I BELIEVE
I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN GET 18 WINS THIS SEASON. WHEN’S THE NEXT TIME WE PLAY BOSTON? WE’RE GOING TO BLOW THEM OUT.
I'm going to get banned for all these mindless comments.
next year
is when we play them unless we somehow get to the finals. haha
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Jan 6, 2009 6:34 AM PST up reply actions
baby
we will be the number 1 seed and sweep boston.
I'm going to get banned for all these mindless comments.
by CatchAndShoot on Jan 12, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
thanks
for the begrudgingly granted respect. :)
Of course I would rather not benefit from crap like that whistle. I suppose I credit Korver (I believe it was him, not Koufos) for being alert enough to realize what had happened, but still, once everyone realized the situation, I agree the points probably shouldn’t have counted.
As for the other play with Deron, I’m not sure what happened. I thought maybe it was a clear path foul, so the basket would have counted, or something like that. I’m not sure (obviously I wasn’t thinking very clearly during that split-second that I thought he was injured, and was just grateful he was fine). Probably, Deron should have gone to the line for two shots. But I don’t see how that call, whatever it was, reflects poorly on the fans. The fans didn’t award the Kirilenko basket and give D-Will a free throw as well.
I admit we’ve got some classless idiots in SLC. But I maintain that they are no worse than those you’d find in Wrigley, Fenway, Madison Square Garden, or The Palace of Auburn Hills.
Not that that excuses the jerk that blew that whistle tonight, or the one that threw Carmex at Bruce Bowen (although, in that guy’s defense, it was BRUCE BOWEN), or the ones that yelled racist slurs, or whatever. That’s all intolerable behavior. I wish it wouldn’t happen.
My point is, you can find jackasses anywhere. They’re usually a small slice of any crowd at any sporting event anywhere. It’s not like every single fan at every other arena in the league is a virtuous, upstanding, flawless paragon of good behavior.
And for what it’s worth (probably not much to you guys), out of the dozens of Jazz games I’ve attended in my life, I’ve never heard a single racist slur from anyone near me, or seen a person throw any object on the court. In fact, almost every time I’ve gone, I’ve noticed worse behavior from the fans of the visiting team. Take that with however many grains of salt you want.
Anyway, I really enjoyed the game (a matchup with the Dubs is ALWAYS entertaining, even if my team loses), and the commentary from you folks. I will now take my begrudging respect and get out of here. Cheers.
Uh, do you think you could draw me like a ninja?
by Shums on Jan 6, 2009 12:29 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
See below:
http://bostonist.com/2008/03/04/beat_on_a_yanke.php
In March, when no baseball is being played outside of spring training, a couple Red Sox fans found a guy wearing Yankee’s attire and beat him so bad he was sent to the hospital. No where near a Sox game, no where near a Yankees game, just pure drunken hatred. Cleveland Browns fans throw bottles at refs. I could go on, but the only thing this really says is that the Warriors haven’t been good enough for their fans to actually care when they get jobbed, or when hated rivals show up. You wait until Utah comes back to the Oracle in the playoffs… you’ll see some Jazz fans getting senselessly beat up.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 6, 2009 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
It happens often enough in SLC that it’s a trend. It’s not like it’s a tiny minority either acting a fool either- ex: the Spurs-Jazz Conference Finals 2 years ago where the crowd was throwing junk at the players. You can’t find a more classless bunch.
Jazz fans in SLC should be suspended- play a whole game in an empty arena. Even better how about moving the team to Seattle and renaming it to the “Sonics”?
Jazz fans are the worst in the NBA- by far.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 6, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
i think Adande says it best, Jazz fans are great Jazz fans, but horrible NBA fans.
obviously, this isn’t the case for all, but a collective grouping. there are bad seeds everywhere.
by the evil monkey on Jan 6, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Jazz fans are definetly passionate about theyre team but,
this is a trend and not a one time incident. As a Raider fan also, I have to accept the critisism that games can be ugly for opposing team fans even though I hate that to be the case. Theyre is a trend of some Raider fans being knuckle heads during games and ruining the expirience for all fans involved and I have to say that the Jazz fans are going along the same path.
Again thank you Shums for being respectful and dropping your cents over here.
We’ll get you guys one day, that is if our ownership decides to let our team run by competent people instead of by clowns.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Jan 6, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Anthony Morrow
I’m happy he looked like his normal self today, lighting it up on the court. He was so on fire, he caused Jerry Sloan to call that timeout during the Jazz fast break. I think Morrow’s current weakness is that when teams target him aggressively on defense, his effectiveness goes way down. Maybe the Warriors can take advantage somehow and come up with a few plays around that. Make the other team pay for over guarding Morrow.
Oh wait
the timeout on the fast break was because AK was hurt, so ignore that part
There's no way shooting 5/6 and 3/3 from 3s is Anthony Morrow's "normal self"
He was hot. It happens every now and then. Get over it.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 6, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Good to see...
Corey back and Morrow dropping it like its hot. Definitely agree about making teams pay for over guarding Morrow. and i’ve seen that Boom Dizzle video at least 100 times and it never gets old. brings a tear to my eye to this day…
Ya, 'cus Trix are for kids!
cj is terrible
as as pg. he needs to stop trying so hard and shoot his midrange jumper.. he sucks at everything else.
Post Game Questions for the Warriors
CJ….why for the life of u can you not run a fast break properly and stay in front of your man on defense?
BW….no doubt u have some nice offensive skills but why don’t you crash the boards like your life depended on it? Maybe that will give you the more playing time that you want idiot.
Nellie…why do you take out a hot hand like Morrow and keep CJ in? Why do u play Kurz? Is Kurz even part of our future? Do you tell Wright he needs to rebound? Do you teach CJ what to do on a fast break? Don’t you get sick of plays watching CJ penetrate, go under th basket, and then dish it out wasting shot clock time?
Man this is getting old.
Nellie... are u dumb
Warriors started the 4th with CJ, Morrow, Crawford, Kurz, and Turiaf. I mean come on Nellli. Its the 4th quarter. Thats a horrible lineup. Interchange Kurz for Wright, or add biedrins to the mix.
Horrible Coaching decision… cost us the game
CJ just needs to...
fight through a screen and try and finish on a fast break. I mean can CJ ever finish a fast break? It is frustarting to constantly watch CJ not finish at the rim and get his shot put back into the seats. Don’t get me wrong he has turned into an OK PG but man is it frustrating. Ohh and to add to the KURZ comment, KURZ sucks and I don’t care what anyone says. I posted it on one of the fan shots but if the reason AR ain’t getting PT is because he shots to quickly then what abt Kurz. Saw him jack up a couple of wide open bricks and would rather see AR doing that if that is the case. Plus for being a PF does he ever really stay home for the rebound? I just don’t see what Nellie sees in him…Down with Rod “TODD FULLER” Kurz!!!
Nellie likes him....
Because he knows how to do the exact play that is asked of him. I seriously do not rate this kid and have said so before, he just does not hav that “high quality” that the NBA needs to be seriously good. But Nellie loves the fact that he is ne of the few players on the team that will do the play exactly as Nellie calls it.
Unfortunately Kurz is not the problem…..It’s Nellie. Case in question?
Taking off Morrow when he was clearly hot in the hand!
Leaving CJ on to run a fast break to a dead stop into an opposing player!
Not screaming at SJAX that if he does that STUPID “head down” charge into the key looking to get a foul against two players. (Sick to death of this dumbass play he does).
Most importantly…….Down by 7 with a mnute left on the clock and you let the opoosing team use their 24 seconds???? FOUL THEM YOU FIRKIN IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we wait until there is just 13 seconds left before we foul, then hey presto they miss, and suddenly….instead of going for a 3 pointer we go for a 2??? WTF??? This yet again was another display of god damn awful coaching by Nellie in the last minute of a game.
I now need to buy a new remote control as I threw mine at wall last night. We had a “chance” last night, albeit slim…to beat the Jazz and yet again Nellie made dire coaching decisions.
I respect the mans history and his achievements, but he is done. The “Boris Yeltsin” of the NBA needs to step aside….. BASIC, BASIC coaching plays are getting screwed up everygame.
The lads fought hard tonight and fair play to them for giving great effort…..but Nellie yet again….cost us the game.
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Jan 6, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Because he knows how to do the exact play that is asked of him.
This is probably true. He gets pissed at Randolph for taking crappy shots, trying to do it all himself, etc. He gets pissed at Wright for not knowing the sets, for getting lazy and not boxing out, etc. But Kurz will do what’s asked of him, no more, no less. Nellie knows what he’ll get from Kurz.
Taking off Morrow when he was clearly hot in the hand!
Leaving CJ on to run a fast break to a dead stop into an opposing player!
Not screaming at SJAX that if he does that STUPID "head down" charge into the key looking to get a foul against two players. (Sick to death of this dumbass play he does).
Hindsight is 20/20. Are you really saying that Jackson never scores on that play? Are you really saying that we have a better option than CJ at the backup PG? Are you really expecting Morrow to keep shooting 100% from 3? Come on, be realistic. Maybe Morrow was getting tired. Maybe he was getting owned on the other end of the floor, maybe the defense was starting to key on Morrow.
Down by 7 with a mnute left on the clock and you let the opoosing team use their 24 seconds???? FOUL THEM YOU FIRKIN IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No. This is the NBA. You do not get the 1&1 where they might miss the front end and you will not find less than a 70% shooter touching the ball… and the NBA 3 point shot is 3 feet farther, the shot clock is only 24 seconds. Down by 7 with a minute left you try to play tough D, get a quick easy bucket, just like the rest of the game.
instead of going for a 3 pointer we go for a 2? WTF?
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of numbers and basketball on your part. If you can get a quick 85% 2 point shot, that’s an average of 1.7 points per possession. You then foul, they make 70, that’s 1.4 points per possession. You’re at an advantage, while shooting a low percentage contested 3 gets you maybe 1.2 points (assuming 40 made). Get as close as you can by playing defense, then foul and take what they give you keeping your possessions short. That’s how you make a comeback, not by jacking up desperation 3s and fouling with a minute left.
BASIC, BASIC coaching plays are getting screwed up every game
This sounds like a problem with execution. Either that your you do not understand “BASIC, BASIC coaching plays” like not fouling too early and not yelling at your players for the result of their actions as opposed to their intentions.
Oh, and you should get a Wii style handle for your remote… I suspect you’ll be trying to throw your remote at walls a few more times this season.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 6, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
And by the way
Problems with execution are the
players’
fault, not coaching. Though it could be argued that the coaches should know how stupid their players are and not call plays that they know the players will screw up because they’re stupid and don’t know how to do certain things… but I digress.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 6, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree with the not fouling with 1 minute left
down by 7 its a 3 possession game. you need to get the ball back, you cannot afford to wait for the shot clock.
1 minute left in an NBA game = 60 seconds
I’m not saying that you’re not going to have to foul, but you should not foul until you have to. Make a single stop, get the score to 4 or 5 with 30 seconds left, press and try to get a steal, then foul.
If you start fouling NBA players with a minute left, you’re looking at maybe 7 possessions (1-2 seconds for their possessions and 7-8 seconds to get your shot up). That’s 14 free throws. And you’ve got 6 possessions to make up 7 points, plus whatever they make on 14 free throws. Assuming they make the NBA average (they should be better because they’ll be putting their good FT shooters in), they’ll score 10 points, meaning that in 7 possessions, you’ll have to score 17 points, or 2.3 points per possession. Do you really think you’re going to make 6/7 3 pointers? If so, why not foul every time down the floor?
What you need in endgame is a quick lucky burst of made shots and missed free throws. You need to limit the number of possessions that you need to make up the deficit because in the long run, the FT shooter is going to score at a much higher rate than the FG shooter. Thus, get as close as you can, then foul. It’s really very simple. I don’t know why the two of you can’t see that. I guess this is why you’re not coaching an NBA team. Your strategy may work in the lower leagues (1&1 instead of 2 FTs, much, much worse FT shooters, etc.), but this is the NBA. That sh!t doesn’t fly.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 7, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
about the boxing out
the warriors dont play with boxing out because it takes too much time for them they are coached to put a hand on the player and grab the rebound
+ 1111111
Totally agree brit warrrior… nellie is just cashing his check now and waiting to make his exit and get bought out and then move into the Front Office. I have a bad feeling that we will begin to look like the BUCK’s in the next 2 years…Or even worse the Bobcats, are we sure that MJ is friends wit Rowell and is texting him on what moves he should make..
Man
Do I miss 2007! I loved being at Oracle for every game back then! Damn, I wish we could relive the moments!
The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!
why do you want boozer?
hes one of the most injury prone powerforwards in this league. we already have maggs whos missed around 18 games
at least
we’d have a good pf for half the season. that’s more than we can say now.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
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