Recap: Warriors 106, Lakers 114 - So Close, Yet So Far.
by Hash on Jan 7, 2009 11:01 PM PST
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PrintWell, I know what I supposed to say right now. I'm supposed to rhetorically ask what was really expected? Then, I remind myself that it was the Lakers, a team that only has 6 losses; the fewest in all of the NBA. Right after that I'm supposed to applaud our boys for putting the scare into the Lakers; after all it is what I asked them to do in the Open Thread.
But the truth is, deep down this loss hurts just as much as any loss. One the ball was tipped off and we proved that we could hang with these guys, it didn't matter what jerseys they were wearing.
We could have had this win tonight. And man oh man; it would have felt GOOD.
"HEY COACH!! They keep scoring on us!"
Tonight the Warriors fell victim to different phases of play. Two in particular; stellar and crappy. Seriously it seemed like there was no middle ground. Either they were pushing three-touch fast break dishes resulting in monster slams, or they were heaving the ball out of bounds in one of their many turnovers.
Unfortunately, one of their two phases outweighed the other. Wanna guess which one? No?! JUMP!
Since the bad outweighed the good tonight, I think it's only fair that we start the game analysis with what factors caused us to give up what could have arguably been the best win of the year.
- Free Throws. AWFUL. 64%?! In a game where we only get to the line 17 times, it is not recommended for us to blow 6 of them. We're better than that. Meanwhile, the Lakers shot 93 %... Ouch.
- Turnovers. AWFUL. Sure, the Lakers handled the ball worse than us. That's pretty impressive considering we had 15 turnovers. The difference is when we gave the ball up, the Lakers did a pretty fair job converting those into points. We, on the other hand... not so much.
- Randolph's foot shuffle. AWFUL. The first time he did it I chalked it up to rookie nervousness. The second time he did it I suddenly thought of Pietrus' habit of stepping on the out-of-bounds line on his baseline threes. Okay fine, it was a couple of mistakes. But in a game this close, it was tough to watch.
- Wright's Injury. AWFUL. Not only does it suck that Wright has a partially dislocated shoulder, it sucks that no one seemed to see his arm dangling from his socket until he got bowled over on the next possession. Someone foul someone. Call a timeout. Throw a freaking chair! STOP THE GAME AND LET THIS GUY OFF OF THE COURT! Not only did it lead to three points we could have prevented, that blow he took could have made his injury more serious. Wack.
- Marco's 1st half shot selection. AWFUL. It's tough to argue with these shots when they fall (which they do more often than I'd like to admit) but when they don't, it's a hard pill to swallow.
- The fact that the Lakers have Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum. Not much we can do about that.
So besides some of the aforementioned bulletpoints, tonight the Warriors displayed a freakish ability to go from hot to cold in a matter of seconds. The quality of our game almost fluctuated by quarter, with the better part of quarters 1 and 3 showing a high caliber Warriors team feared by the elite in past years, and quarters 2 and 4 showing the lost team that we've come to know and love this year. It's like we're bi-polar!!
Get it?! *Da dum dum, DSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH.*
Okay enough dumping. We DID almost topple the best team in the League. And we certainly didn't get there without a few pretty sweet moments. Let's re-live, shall we?
- Jamal Crawford baby. I'd mention his 5 turnovers and 1 for 8 long bomb attempts, but I just got off of the negative train. So instead, let's raise it up for his 9 dimes, 25 points and his smooooooooooth midrange jumper. Also, major props for embarrasing Fisher on more than one occasion. Anyone that does that is okay in my book.
- 3rd quarter. Someone called Randolph "One Tired Cookie". I think I laughed for about 10 minutes at that. Then I went upstairs and got a cookie.
- Corey Maggette. Good boards and great energy. 19 points overall with 10 of them in the first. He got off to a very strong start and nailed his buckets when we needed them most.
- Brandan Wright. Right up until his arm started flailing about like a limp noodle (gross) he looked great. Boards on one end (he had 9 in 12 minutes!) and strong finishes on the other. Our best goes out to him. We don't have a lot of energetic big guys to go around here and I was really looking forward to more of him tonight. Good thing he's got Tommy Abdenour looking after him. Best in the business.
- Kabuki. This kid was a rock off of the bench. Where the Lakers had points coming from Vujacic and Ariza, they didn't see Buike and Randolph and to a lesser degree, Turiaf coming. Their energy off of the bench was huge.
- Biedrins. He's getting so consistent with his good performances that he's getting easy to overlook. Let's not forget that during all of the small ball moments, right in the center still stands Andris like Gulliver among the Lilliputians. And he's learning to work in this environment. He was only two dimes short of a triple double tonight!
And so it is what it is. A loss. Really, it was a hell of a game to watch though. The Warriors coming back from down 15 against the best team in the league... If you ignore the last 4 or 5 minutes of the game, it was pretty fun to see!
At least we rattled their cages a bit, right? Good times!
Now get to bed you tired cookies.
Man. I want to give it to Maggette but it's really hard to ignore Biedrins. As quiet as he may have seemed out there, 8 dimes, 17 boards, 3 steals, 3 blocks and 12 points is really hard to overlook. So I won't.
Take it down big man! Take it down.
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I like the future of this team
At this point, the record doesn’t mean anything. Well, it does, but as long as these guys develop chemistry in working together than I’ll be happy win or lose. I want to watch this team grow and become feared in the next few seasons.
It's wierd
it almost seems as if the team, despite it’s ups and downs is starting to create an identity without monta, which i never really expected to happen…
Don’t forget about Anthony Randolph’s positive impact. Despite his occasional rookie mistake, we were definitely hanging with the Lakers with him on the floor.
When he came into the game we started getting more defensive stops, secured defensive rebounds, and scored easy fastbreak buckets.
When Nelson put Randolph on the bench during crunchtime and put Maggette at PF, it turned into a half court game and we just got out-executed. Smallball actually killed our tempo because we could not get stops, boards, turnovers, or fastbreak opportunities.
AR was pulled for allowing a 3pter
A laker was on a fast break and AR was running infront of him, and AR went all the way to the basket while the laker stopped and shot a 3pter. Nellie wasn’t happy with that and pulled him.
Doesn't Randolph feel like a Pietrus 2.0?
They both come in with energy, occasionally making a spectacularly athletic play, but they both come with their share of mistakes. It’s up to Randolph to grow out of them.
Yeah I kind of thought of that too
Especially since Pietrus was hella raw but took hella days to develop. That’s what I feel about AR. Randolph can be one of the best players out there; he has such raw talent. But I have this gut feeling it’ll take a while like with Pietrus.
by goldenstatelove on Jan 8, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
good game! (from the open thread)
fun game to watch after the 1st quarter….
heres what i got out of the game tho:
1) altho wright got injured, while he was in…i really loved what i saw
2) why is kurz ever in?
3) randolph!!!! im loving this kid, all he needs to do is not make rookie mistakes and he will be a power to be reckoned with (stop traveling!)
4) i still hate CJ watson, every time he is in our defense collapses, he always lets the other teams point pass him and our D sufffers hugeeeeee….TRADE CJ ASAP
5) maggs….eh….i still dont like him, hes a really bad passer…worse than AR
6) I HATE NELLY…..why would he go small ball for the 4th when our ‘big’ ball was working wonderfully…
7) im STARTING to like belli…hes getting a bit more consistent with his job on the court…..i hope he can develop into Genobli
8) CRAWFOVER!!!! ugh…i wish all those in and out shots he had went in…he has sooooooo many that were like half way in
9) beans as usual played amazingly
10) buki is gunna be a future 6th man for a championship team (hopefully us)
anyways…thats what i got out of the game…overall an enjoyable game to watch, really got to see wright and randolph develop in front of our eyes…hopefully wrights dislocated shoulder will be okay
-Deeps
though, traveling isn’t a rookie mistake. being turnover prone or having bad shot selection usually is a lifelong problem. though being foul prone does usually decline.
real rookie mistakes aren’t being in the right place, not rotating correctly – or rotating too slowly, playing screens incorrectly, cutting to the hoop from weak to strong when your team is running pick and roll, etc.
to generalize it, it’s not knowing how to defend the play they are running and not running your own plays correctly.
by the evil monkey on Jan 8, 2009 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
well
‘not knowing how to run your own plays correctly’ seems to be whats causing him to travel and turn over…looks like indecision to me…thus a rookie mistake
dude, when you have the ball in your hands in a drive and kick offense, you don’t have to be at a certain place or whatnot – you just have to know where your outlets are. it’s actually the other players w/o the ball that have to know who rotates back, who has to stay put for spacing or for an outlet pass, who can cut or crash w/o compromising the system, etc.
besides, he does it even when he’s decisive – he’s got poor footwork. if you got dvr, rewind it after he travels and you’ll see what i mean.
by the evil monkey on Jan 8, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Who did I hear
say that rookies that play well and are turnover prone usually become really good? Hold on a sec, I’ll find it.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
er...you mean the guy who keeps saying Randolph's going to be the biggest bust since Belinelli?
not sure we want this guy to be right too often in regards to the future. hard to believe him too when he’s claiming Westbrook will be the better than Mayo, Rose, Fernandez, Gordon and all other rookie guards. besides, reading his chats, i doubt he thinks AR is playing “well”. though he thinks the world of BW.
anyway , he lives in Atlanta (so he sees the Hawks frequently) and predicted they’d be 31-51 b/c they lost the ever so important Josh Childress who probably has a high PER. they’re 22-12 right now.
his stats are useful, but his predictions – not so much.
by the evil monkey on Jan 9, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
2) why is kurz ever in?
i definitely have to agree w/you on that one. Why indeed.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
yeah AR had some turnovers, he a rookie
whats maggs, Crawford, Belli’s excuse? People so quick to jump on his negatives…
Warriors are always fun to watch
Full disclosure: I’m a Lakers fan.
But man games in Oakland are always egg-siting! It looked like a playoff atmosphere in there. Makes me jealous of the fans. Of course I like the winning part better in Los Angeles (it wasn’t like that four years ago, for sure).
Also, do you guys feel like Ronny Turiaf is a Laker? Because it feels like that to me and many other Lakers fans. I got the same feeling with Derek Fisher, even when he was in a GSW or Utah uniform. Something about them just bleeds purple and gold. I’ll bet my cookies Ronny does another stint with the Lakers sometime in his career.
And Randolph is on springs. Wow.
ronny
don’t take this the wrong way, but he’s too likable to be a laker. he very well could come back there at some point, but it seems like he just enjoys being a basketball player too much to be identified as purely a member of one team. if he gets around the league as a journeyman type guy, i’ll like watching him wherever. i’ll want to think of him as a warrior, and i’m sure the feeling would be the same for the fans of whichever team he plays for. i couldn’t look at him as a bad guy no matter which team he played for, so i guess i’d never be able to say something like “he’s a real laker” or anything like that. he’s just a lovable player. we can all enjoy him.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
it seems like he just enjoys being a basketball player too much to be identified as purely a member of one team.
Please explain how this doesn’t apply to every NBA basketball player.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2009 6:40 AM PST up reply actions
just saying
that ronny seems to be having more fun the everyone else. obviously every nba player loves his job. i just can’t think of many other guys who show it as much as turiaf. and because of that, i see him as more of an ambassador for the game than a member of just the warriors.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
No doubt Ronny is more passionate and energetic about playing than others
It’s possibly related to his heart scare. It probably opened up his mind to how lucky he is to be 1. Alive and 2. Playing the game he loves for a living. You hear all the time about people who have near death experiences really appreciating life and doing what they love. I think what separates players like Ronny and players like Starbury, etc. is that some players enjoy the game for the game itself and are humbled by being able to play, while other players feel entitled and that it’s their god given right to be the best player on the floor and do whatever they want.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Hmm
Jerome James and Tim Thomas come to mind as guys who don’t enjoy basketball. They enjoy getting paid to play basketball, but they don’t love basketball.
Yeah...
I suppose even players with NBA talent can get burned out. I know I got burned out of tennis… not that I was ever ATP talent though. But I did win a game against the 1,000th ranked player once!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
Nelly
Nelly is good at ()#$%_ us over. When we do good, he tries to go to small ball. What happens? No reobunds lead to second chance points and we lose. And is it just me or does Jamaal not make open 3s…
I agree...but
Agreed on the first…About Nellie…and those ripple effects. Jamal though haven’t been making threes. (open or not).so he goes lay ups….jumpers…etc…which bring him back to consistency.
GOD
Just cruised by the Lakers blog on the LA Times. Some dork was making fun of BWright’s injury because of how Gasol dunked on him.
I hope that if our team gets as good as them in the next few years, our fans have the maturity to NOT make fun of stuff like that.
Yeah
As much as I hate The Lakers, I’d never cheer an injury. Also as much as I hate Fisher, I thought that was so classless of the Jazz fans making fun of his daughter having cancer in her eye. I just hate within the game, not on anyone’s health.
WOW
That’s incredibly messed up. No offense but I’m not surprised. My friends who are Laker fans are assholes (about basketball stuff, esp to W’s) like that too. Ditto on the W fans being more mature. To stoop down to Laker level would be horrible.
by goldenstatelove on Jan 8, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Brandan's injury
So he has a partially dislocated shoulder… I’m pretty sure if he was thicker, that wouldnt have happened. I hope the guy learns and beefs up body builder style. Once your shoulder gets dislocated, chances it happens increases.
good recap
I agree – this loss hurts like any of them but after they beat the Celtics I said I wouldn’t care if they didn’t win another game for the rest of the season, so enough of that.
But I still can’t believe nobody stopped the play to get Brandon Wright off the court as soon as it was apparent there was something wrong with him. For god’s sake, what the hell was Nellie looking at while Brandon was dragging his dead arm with that “ouch” look on his face? I don’t understand that one at all.
man
celtics are playing worser than us now.
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Jan 8, 2009 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
Just got banned from CelticsBlog
They’re getting very touchy over there.
My comments were pretty tame, on the point that the Lakers broke the Celtics’ spirit.
But I guess they’re not used to being ribbed for losing (at least for the last year).
I respect the Celtics, they’re the champs.
I also respect George Bush, he’s the president.
fans from the whiny city of boston touchy?
the S you say!
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Jan 8, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! WE'RE NOT TOUCHY!!! YOU'RE SUCH A DEUSCHE!!! YOU SUCK AT FANHOOD!!! WAAAAHHHH....
Like Glis said above, every team has fans that care about their team a little too much and every team has fans that have no class, tact, or whatever you want to call it. And every team has fans that are drunk and do stupid things. Neither Boston, nor Utah have the monopoly on this.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like my family
Every family has members that get drunk and do stupid things.
Especially over the holidays.
by Gils_Keloids on Jan 8, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
i'm sure you'll agree DF that on the east coast
fans have reached levels of obsessive, insanity laced irrationality that we on the west coast would never even dream of, no matter how much we had to drink.
i grew up in new york, i can attest to that. attend a yankees sux game and then a giants dodgers game. no comparison. sharks kings? try islanders rangers for an alcohol laced idiot fest.
fond memories of east coast games (in no particular order or relevancy)
of course the points that idiots exist anywhere are 100% valid. it wasn’t a particular shot at bostonians, they make themselves to be an easy target tho. i’ve just never seen anything close to the lunacy that prevails in east coast “rivalry” games here on the WC. but, i haven’t been to a whole lot of raiders games…
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Jan 8, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Sox/Yanks gets pretty intense
When I went to the Warriors @ Celtics game last year (early in the season… we were 3-7), some Celts fans sitting behind me the whole night were heckling me the entire time… Didn’t know who Monta was and crap.
One possible explanation for the west coast teams’ fans maybe being less irrational is that their teams are not really their teams… Giants/Dodgers? That started in NYC. A lot of the west coast teams are displaced teams, so there isn’t as much history, etc. You can stay on your high horse, but:
http://www.faniq.com/blog/Video-Celtics-Fan-Beaten-Up-By-Lakers-Hooligans-Fans-Blog-9442
Maybe it’s just that the Warriors & Giants haven’t really ever done anything to irk opposing teams. Raiders haven’t done anything in a while, and the Niners, well the NFC West is now made up of the Niners, Rams, an AFC West team, and an NFC East team… nothing really going on there. And the Rams moved, so their fans don’t care that much.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 9, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
the giants and dodgers did start out east
but they’ve been on the west coast @50 years, basically two generations. there have been a lot of good battles between the two. i’m sure that many baseball fans would cite giants/dodgers as one of the top bball rivalries.
the 9ers have been playing here in SF since1946, by contrast the NE pats have been around since the mid fifties, ten years later. tho i am aware that boston used to have the braves (?) not the same franchise tho. the browns are technically only two years older than the 9ers, having been conceived in 1944. so the point that many east coast teams have been around longer, while true, the franchise age discrepancies aren’t as big as one may think.
i’m not on a high horse, if you look at my list, i’m an equal opportunity basher whether they be new yorkers, Bostonians, Ohioans or Pennsylvanians. i’m just relating what i think to be a pretty valid (i would love to do a study contrasting the two) parody between the fan bases of east and west coast teams and the insanity levels therein.
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Jan 9, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I also respect George Bush,
whoa, we demand some measure of reality here!
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 8, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
The Celtics, broadly speaking, deserve your respect. KG, Pierce, Allen, Rondo, Doc Rivers … and before them, Bird, DJ, Russell, Nellie, Havlicek, Red …? 9 straight titles? 17 overall? How can you not respect them?
George W … er, not so much. How can you respect him? I mean, if I met him, I wouldn’t spit in his face, ‘cos it’s rude and mean, and it’s not like he beats his kids and hates puppies. (Plus if I did, I’d probably be beaten within an inch of my life by secret service men). He deserves a kind of respect, like everyone else in the world … but no more than anyone else in the world, and less than most people.
OBAMA AMABO
Let me spell this out
I respect the Celtics – they are the champs, but they won’t be for much longer.
I respect Dubya – he is the president, but he won’t be for longer.
by Gils_Keloids on Jan 10, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Are you seriously comparing the Cs to Dubya?
Are you seriously saying you respect Dubya? I respect his PR people, his handlers, and the neo-con operatives for getting him elected while still pushing through their policy, but seriously… respect Bush? You gotta be kidding me.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 12, 2009 6:41 AM PST up reply actions
Are you seriously saying you respect Dubya?
He’s more competent at dodging shoes than I would have expected. That Iraqi shoulda throw a curveball.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 12, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Bwright
yeah, his expression was caught on camera. he didn’t look good..
On BWright's injury and the missing timeout afterwards
Not to be brutal, but the responsibility to say “THAT FVCKING HURTS!!!! TIMEOUT!!! TIMEOUT!!! TIMEOUT!!!” is, to say the least, Brandan’s. He was the one still trying to play defense. He’s the one who didn’t call the timeout. I know people who’ve dislocated & redislocated their shoulders, it hurts. A lot. Any idiot knows they’ve been seriously injured afterwards. He was probably trying to be tough, but still.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2009 6:46 AM PST reply actions
Yes but...
The blame has to be in part BWs and in part the coaching staff for not recognizing the fact that he was hurt and yelling at someone to foul or call a time out.
by qin on Jan 8, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions
No
The blame is on him not letting anybody else know he was really hurt. He tried to play through it. End of story. When Nellie sees Jack jam a finger, is he supposed to call a timeout and say “Awww… Did witto Jackie get a owwie? Is witto Jackie O-Kay?!?! Want a popsicle?” NO! He’ll let Jack let him or the refs know if he’s OK. If he’s doubled over in pain, that’s a sign to call a timeout. If he’s trying to play through it, that’s a sign to NOT call a timeout.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
And if he's trying to play through it and playing miserably and clearly effected by the injury
Then you take him out of the game. Which is what they did.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
It doesn't matter...
The shoulder just gave nellie and excuse to sit B.wright Early…j/k, All I am saying is that i want to see more of AR. No more excuses for why he shoudlen’t be playing. Ohh and TELL Todd Fuller..I mean ROb Kurz to quit falling on the ground when you are running back up the court.WTF!! God I hate that guy…lol
Great Game Last Night
That was the best game I went to all year-loved the atmoshpere. 3 points:
Chill on Randolph. For a guy who has to get used to NBA speed and is only given 6 minutes a night to do so, yall gotta chill on the rookie mistake comments. The guy never plays and we expect him not to make a few mistakes like a 19 year old pine riding rookieshould. I like the kid a lot. Now that SJax and B Wright are hurt, he’ll finally get his opportunity get get more experience.
Dislocated shoulders suck. I got my first one my senior year in high school and from then on it has happened like 12 more times in college and later. Fully dislocated out of its socket for minutes at a time. It takes a couple weeks to get back on the court, but my point is, once it happens, it happens a lot unless you get surgury. No matter if you are a power lifter or skinny like Wright, it happens to a lot of people. His was partial. I bet he’s out there in a weeks time.
Don’t ever play Kurz-EVER!!! Don, you’re killing me bro!
I'm not sure about AR
I suppose he is still a rookie, but when you are the only one to have possession of the ball from the opponent court to your own court…don’t even share, and attempt to make a basket…and miss with a jumper…that’s not good. And he does this on a lot of occasions. (Good thing it only happens once in a game…) What’s the excuse there? And, I question what happened to the explosive Anthony? Can’t you dunk that instead?
you ever notice that the people who talk a lot of shhhhhhhh about AR are the same people who still think Nelson is a Genius...
for real, almost always, cause they refuse to admitt any mistakes by the one they call “Nellie”
I'm disappointed in fellow season ticket holders
I thought I was at Staples last night. For the most part, it was all Laker fans in my section. They straight up looked at me like I was disrespecting Jesus when I was booing Kobe. These Laker fans were shocked that there’s someone exists who hates this team. They were rubbing it in, so I was asking them are they that proud of beating a 10-26 team…? It was kinda fun raining on ther parade after the game when they were bragging. Sarcastically, I said sorry I’m not gonna be the average joe and just cheer for the Lakers since they’re the Hollywood team dominating the league.
Hum... did you notice...
That every game that you ever go to against the Lakers, Celtics or Bulls that there are a ton of fans for the other team? I don’t think it’s completely season ticket holders issue. More that, after the team got good that a lot of bandwagon fans go in as ticket holders. If they weren’t holders prior to 06-07 season, then it’s safe to say they’re pretty fair weather about the team, therefore what’s to stop them from selling to Laker fans. Hell, I’m a season ticket holder (I was at last night’s game) I general like bring a Laker fan with me to the games so that we can talk smack throughout the game. Does that make me one of the “disappointing” season ticket holders because I bring in a Laker fan? More over, places like San Francisco have a ton of transplanted residents. Who’s to say that some of those Laker fans aren’t Warrior season ticket holders, but just happen to be Laker fans. I know that I was a dead hard Sonics fan (check my account picture) and that I’d general pull for Warriors, but that ever the Sonics came to town that I’d be sporting my Green and Gold. Anyways, keep being disappointed. We’re to Sacramento asking fans not to sell to Laker fans. I say bring on the Laker fans, that way when we winning we instantly got people there to rub it their faces to.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
Well I'm talking about the ones for sure I know are season ticket holders.
Well, for the Bulls and Celtics, there are ton of their fans. However, their contingency of fans is nothing compared to the Lakers. Hence, I said it was like I was at Staples. When the Celts and Bulls come, you still see a swamp of Warrior fans.
I’m a season ticket holder, so obviously I know ones who sold their tickets for that game when I saw that their not there last night.
You bring up a good point on your very last sentence though.
I think you have a real hard time understanding my post. You asked if you’re one of the dissapointed holders or whatever. Um, no. You just said you’re at the game, so you still showed team spirit.
They straight up looked at me like I was disrespecting Jesus when I was booing Kobe.
Kobe is at least real.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 8, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
too bad you’re not.
I’ve got disciples too :>)
If you can’t appreciate a player like Kobe maybe you should take up another sport?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 8, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
What's with using exactly what I say to start a title of a reply?
I appreciate a player who raped a woman in Colorado, as he had another woman’s hand in marriage.
I appreciate a player who demanded to get traded since he thought his team was going to be mediocre, but then acted like that never happened since the same teammates he dissed, did better than he thought.
I appreciate a player who said he’d “love to be a Laker the rest of his career” after what he said earlier, but of course saying that during the duration of being a championship contending team.
I appreciate a player who intentionally elbows Mike Bibby in an already fixed 2002 western conference finals in the nose and bloodys him up, and yet somehow gets the foul called on Bibby.
Are you going to cry now just because I dissed your hero? Sorry.
an already fixed 2002 western conference finals
That sounds paranoid? Help is available.
Kobe’s personality and off court problems are really none of my business , I can still enjoy his skill and wouldn’t mind having him win some games in a warriors uni. CJ is a nice kid but he’s no Kobe when it matters on the court.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 8, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
You’re the first, and I’m pretty sure the only person, that has said CJ is no Kobe. Dude, where the hell did that come from? And you mention “paranoid?” I really do help is available.
Let me clarify
I know he’s no Kobe, but when did comparisons of CJ Watson (If that’s the CJ you’re talking about) and Kobe Bryant come about? Did I miss something?
Did I miss something?
Yeah, the link between nice guy and good player. Kobe is a player so I respect that. CJ is a nice kid and I respect that too but as a fan I’d rather have Kobe( and for a son I’d rather have CJ)
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 8, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah uh was it just me
or was Oracle filled with the bandwagoners? In the 2nd when W’s were at their worst, down by like 17, the cheers for the Lakers were just as loud as the ones for the Warriors…. I was like wtf?! But then once the Warriors rallied to get back in the game, and when it looked like just maybe Dubs could get a win, it was super loud for them? But then when they started losing again, it was a repeat of the 2nd quarter. I got pretty damn annoyed. I’m so sick of these lame people who go back and forth between Lakers and Warriors.
by goldenstatelove on Jan 8, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
I'm totally with you man
There is no in between. I hate the Lakers. I’d hate the Lakers just as much if they were a lottery team. When it says “Lakers” across the teams’ chest, no love from me whatsoever. Wish you were in my section. Nothing but Laker fans. Can’t stand wagoners.
Why do you hate them?
Is it the color purple? Kobe? Gasol? The Zen Master? The fans? LA traffic? Their attitude? Oh…everything?
Lots and Lots of things
I’ve hated them ever since their 1st title in the Shaq/Kobe era in 2000. Tainted wins, getting calls they don’t deserve, getting away with playing dirty, Kobe being fake… Trust me I can write a whole novel on why I hate them. Look at the old post. I explained everything in detail there. I think my fanpost is called something like “Where are the real Warriors fans at? BEAT L.A.”
I believe I read that post.
But I can’t remember the posters…yet. What if Monta were a Laker..with Baron…would you hate them still?
Wow…that’s 8 years of hating. And continuing…
I'll like Monta and Baron individually
As long as Kobe is on that team, I will never like that team.
Could be.
Hard to say. But another thing is people that rep for the Lakers when the Warriors aren’t winning. That’s kinda irritating. Are you a Laker fan? You’re sure digging deep within the trenches on this.
but yeah. same here. i just hate the lakers no matter what. they’re so arrogant. but if you’re gonna be a lakers fan, be a lakers fan. if you’re gonna be a w’s fan, be a w’s fan. i hate the bandwagoners more than the lakers fans. at least true lakers fans are loyal even if the lakers suck.
btw im a girl! not a man! (:
by goldenstatelove on Jan 9, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
btw im a girl! not a man! (:
You need a new photo then, that one makes you look like Kellena I’zabluekitty.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 10, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
the first home game against the lakers last year...
I had to sit next to two a couple of completely obnoxious Lakers fans. They spent the whole game talking sh*t to everyone around them and slobbering over Kobe’s nuts. Then when the Warriors took the lead at the end of the game, they left before the Lakers lost so they wouldn’t have to deal with the backlash. The most ridiculous part is that I saw them at the next game I went to (against Phoenix) and they were wearing Warriors jerseys….ugh….
by the wingless one on Jan 8, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
He was on the floor
He was standing up, cheering his team, first to greet them when they came to the bench during timeouts.
Turiaf must have been rubbing off on him, he has become a cheerleader :)
Can't Dunk When You're On The Bench
I suppose he is still a rookie, but when you are the only one to have possession of the ball from the opponent court to your own court…don’t even share, and attempt to make a basket…and miss with a jumper…that’s not good. And he does this on a lot of occasions. (Good thing it only happens once in a game…) What’s the excuse there? And, I question what happened to the explosive Anthony? Can’t you dunk that instead?
Perfect example of a young inexperienced player making a mistake. I’d bet the bank that when they watch film on that play, Randolph will get a talking to. Thats how you learn to play the game, by learning from your mistakes. Now if he does the same thing over and over again year after year, then we’ll know the Dubs have a moron on their team, but I think Randoplh will only improve with more playing time. Practice and riding the pine on the bench won’t do much for anyone . Nothing teaches you more than experience. Thus far Randolph has had barely any. I hope to see more of him…
+1
That was so typical Randalph, make a good defensive rebound, dribble full court under pressure, then lose it, and the whole sequence was wasted. His worst play of the game. But he did some good things too.
Worst play
goes to Sasha running the break with AR right in front of him. Then AR runs to the bucket leaving Sasha wide open for a trey.
On the wasted play you mentioned, can’t remember if the Lakers scored after that…so, I can’t call it his worst play of the game.
That was so typical Randalph, make a good defensive rebound, dribble full court under pressure, then lose it,
I watched the game on justintv lakers feed and even their announcers said Rudolf tries to do too much. They were very complimentary to the Warriors team and our effort and thought we pushed the Lakers pretty good. They really like Biedrins and they pronounce Mar-Co Beli-Neli funny. Sometimes one gets a better perspective than always listening to Barnett and the yes man repeat the same things game after game.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 8, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I listened to the same feed..
I din’t get that same info from it though. I thought they were pretty disrespectful on several occasions with our players. On a sequence where Wright gets block by the bottem of teh backboard they laugh at him, then 2 plays latter Kobe got hung on that allie oop attempt and they say nothing. They also were begging for calls eventhough the replay showed a clear travel and elbow from bynum… So as much as i like to switch it up, it is hard to find announcers that really are not one-sided
Loved the game
but turned it off as soon as it went to free throws for the last couple minutes. I know this is as useless to mention as replacing Cohen with Larry Ellison, but basketball has THE WORST WAY to end a game of any sport, if that game is close. The fouls and the free throws are such a lame way to end what has been such an exciting game for over two hours that I always turn off the game and don’t care.
Can’t we PLEASE think of a better way to end close games? Even in the MLS they have a striker charge down the field with the goalie charging at him. What do you say? One on one, Crawford vs. Bynum to decide it. I don’t know. Something!
The warriors are fun to watch, when they play hard together.
They played hard last night, and did the best they could, given our expectations of them in a game like this. Its funny how we step up and play the top teams tough for the most part, and just suck against the bad teams, and those games aren’t worth watching.
A couple of things.
1. A healthy Magette is a good player. Reminds me some of a Charles Barkeley type player. I want to see if he can produce for a couple of months consistently.
2. Crawford could be a spark off the bench or a 2 with an Ellis. But he should stop licking his fingers about 1000 times each games, at both ends of the court. I like his game, and he just needs some tweaking to be a consistent force. Basically they should start him or bring him off the bench, if he’s hot, play him, if not, tell him to earn his playing time by working on defense and rebounding.
3. Belineli—you got to give him props, he’s working hard at all phases of his game, and he made a tired Kobe not take over the game. Although that was probably because Kobe recognized that they could pound it inside against us.
4. I got to say Bwright getting injured was the break that Randalph needed to get in and display his heart again. I love watching the kid play. WE HAVE to keep him in the rotation. Yes, he made some boneheaded plays, but so did Magetti and Crawford.
5. I agree, CJ has too many fundamental weaknesses on defense AND offense to be playing at this level. Occasionally he proves us wrong with his heart, but he does too many fundamental things wrong, and Kurz doesn’t have a good enough potential to be playing him. Send them both to the D league.
Which leads me to my final 2 points that I want to make.
1. This Warrior team has some talent, the chemistry is not there yet, but that is mostly because they are a whole new group, and need to play together for a season. If this group could keep together, add Monte, they will be an explosive, fun team to watch. Once they start winning more than they are losing, I will be happy.
2. I think the single most important position they need is another 5. The combination of their 2 big guys killed us inside. We need a big 5 who can match up defensively with another big, and spell Biedrins. Leave Turiaf at 4, rotate him with Wright. Rotate AR with Jackson or Magette. If we trade a couple of our 2’s and 3’s for a 5 that can contribute, then we could match up physically with any team.
CJ
He did get a nice number of assists. One thing about him is that he doesn’t force scoring. Btw, he did finally run a nice fastbreak, though this time he passed if off.
Lakers Fan here
I really enjoy your blog, alot of interesting and thoughtfull posters here. To bad your team is not doing so well (wins and losses wise) but I really do hope your team improves, you guys have the best home crowd around, btw how do warrior fans feel about Baron Davis and the horrible year he’s having here in los angeles?
Not Just Bad, Horrible
The fans in LA are chanting B-Sh*tty during their home games, he is very unhappy with the clips and it shows in his play. Apparently he and Mike Dunleavy do get along as well.
The report that Baron says he did not say to S Jax he wants back
I think that’s bs. I really believe he did tell him he wants back here.
Mixed feelings
Happy (in an evil way) that he’s suffering for deserting the warriors. It’s one of those “that’s what you get for ditching us” type feelings.
Sad because his talents are wasted in Dunleavy’s system. In Nellie’s free flowing system, he could have continued to shine his talents for a few more years, given the Warriors plenty more highlight plays (like JRich used to), make the Warriors playoff contenders, and be worshipped by the Bay Area.
A little resentful, for thinking about all the “what could have been” scenarios had Baron stayed here.
Lakers with 2 centers who dnp
Did anyone notice that the Lakers had both Mims and Mbenga, 2 7-foot bruisers who didn’t play. I would take either one of these guys for one of our duplicate players. A backup 10-minute a game spark.
They waist deep
with skilled players that’s why.
Farmar, Odom, and Walton were hurt, and Mims and DJ still couldn’t get in the game. It’s crazy and not fair.
KG vs Kobe
Marco was pretty physical with Kobe, and when the game ended, Kobe went to marco first to talk to him with a smile. KG was just a bastard and kept pushing marco during the game. Of course the lakers won and the celts lost, but Kobe acting better than KG is surprising.
Why?
Is Kobe known for having a bad attitude? (why do I already know this answer?) Kelenna also did a good job keeping with Kobe. Was it me, or did Kobe looked mellow out? He just wasn’t explosive…Then again, you don’t have to be when Pau Gasol can score 33 points.
The 2nd person kobe went to talk
was buike – so he chatted up both people who defended him pretty decently. That is classy.
Great job, Marco!
I thought Marco did a great job defensively. Just a couple of months everybody was saying that he was just a shooter. He is proving we were wrong. And it was fun to watch seeing Kobe and Marco to exchange a few words in Italian. Kobe vs. KG? Kobe 100 times.
Agreed. Kobe surprised me on that one. I will lay off on Kobe for awhile now.
If you haven’t noticed, it seems all the players that played for the USA olympic team have just matured into what an NBA role model should be.
As for KG, when da heck did this guy start talking so much. I use to be a big fan of his, but his blow up with Calderon and Bellinelli is making me think that he is nothing but a racist lil punk. Didn’t he talk smak to another European player also before Belli?
That was a good game last nite. The only complaint I have is why CJ gets more minutes then Bukie. Bukis as of late has totally improved and becoming a complete player. he is passing the ball much much more and taking the open shots. I noticed this during the Celts game when he faked a pass to clear up space for an open 3. Since that game he has just been MONEY. We dont really have a true PG anyways, so why Nellie do you keep CJ in during crunch time???
One last thing……..waive Kurz please!!!!
by nuttinbutnet on Jan 8, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I am not saying....
that Buke plays PG. I am saying in crunch time when he plays Crawford, CJ, Belli in there, that he should be playing Crawford, Belli, and Buke. Crawford can play the point and not CJ for that small ball line up.
Hummmm...
KG is nuts. He plays 10,000% every play of every game and was pissed about having a 2 game losing streak, is fighting for the #1 spot with LBJ where home court might be everything in the playoffs this year, and Marco wasn’t really guarding him.
Kobe knows this is the regular season, the game doesn’t matter that much, his team had just won, already has a 4.5 game lead for the #1 seed, and won’t really have any competition for the spot. Oh, and Kobe GREW UP IN ITALY and probably takes any chance he can to practice his Italian and look all worldly in front of the other NBA players.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I can't wait for Kobe to try to follow in MJ's footsteps and try out for MLS or some crap...
He’s still a loser… but I’d trade any Warrior for him any day… probably any two except for maybe Monta & Biedrins together. That’s a tough call.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
"The fact that the Lakers have Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum. Not much we can do about that."
I feel like if we’re healthy, that statement is coming from 500 miles south, saying “The fact that the Warriors have Monta, Jackson, and Crawford. Not much we can do about that.”
I was at the game last night, my second of the season, and had pretty good seats. The one thing I got from this game was that as hard as I’ve been on them, we have two tremendous talents in Randolph and Wright. They both need consistency (minutes?), and Randolph apparently needs maturity and attitude (and shot selection). But they are oh so oh so oh so talented.
And by Crawford...
I kinda mean Biedrins. but only kinda.
You only got that?
You’ve gotten all that while sitting is “good seats?” Did you not notice how awesome the Warriors were? How Kobe didn’t even try to score? (too much – I’m gonna credit the defense) How a lot of the plays were executive…? How many assists we got? (25 Is this even a season high? For sure, it’s higher than average) Andris almost at triple-double? Jamal almost at double-double? (hey, that’s a rarity for him) Our TO rate lower than normal? (I have to say that’s because Cap Jack wasn’t playing)
As for talent. I see it in Brandon..not so in Anthony yet. Maybe he’ll get the chance since I think Brandon will be out.
Get well BRANDON!!! (You have until March 18)
All that other stuff
Is evident when you watch the game on TV, or read the stats or recap. I’m just saying that I didn’t realize until watching those guys from close-up how much potential I feel they have. I always notice from my couch when Andris and Jamal have good games, and (usually) when we play good D.
With that said, I did notice some other stuff too, that was just the biggie.
Like you said, Get well Brandan!!
that's right.
I forgot the feeling of being in a live game. And watching thru the tube. So different. But…really, you haven’t noticed Brandon doing well? (before the Lakers game?) He’s been starting the last few games…improving improving improving.
I don’t care if I get lecture, but I think the team is improving. They’re so awesome.
(Dang, his name is Brandan. Not Brandon.)
I don’t care if I get lecture, but I think the team is improving. They’re so awesome.
They were awesome with their suckiness during the losing streak but now they lost the awesomeness and are merely routinely below average.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 8, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Brandan
I remember going to a game last year and the trivia question they had, they spelled it “Brandon.” It was funny.
Anyway, I’ve definitely noticed how well he’s been playing. It’s just, watching through the tube, you don’t always notice the intangibles. When you’re so close, you can see the athleticism, the length, the vertical, the look of determination. After seeing him from close-up, I don’t think he’s any better than before, but I am on the bandwagon for how much potential he has.
The team is absolutely improving. They need to play well on the road, as marco noted, but they are definitely improving. I’m enjoying watching them play a lot, something I wasn’t early in the season.
Kobe didn’t even try to score?
I think he was slummin, he seemed pretty relaxed, even laughing with the refs about the non calls.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 8, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
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