Warriors management doesn't deserve these fans [Mercury]
I've been saying this for years:
"The Warriors of Rowell, Cohan [and Nelson] simply do not deserve this kind of passion. They haven't earned your entertainment dollar."
I'm not sure why Nellie's lumped in with Rowell and Cohan or why Mullin's gets complete pass here, but Rowell and Cohan do not deserve this fanbase.
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is lumped in because timmy k assumes nelly is behind all of rowell’s misdeeds
by saintdee on Jan 8, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
So what?
I’m getting annoyed of everyone complaining about Rowell/Cohan/Nelly. I mean yeah, don’t get me wrong, I hate the direction of the team too. However, I chose to be a fan of this team, and I cheer for them no matter what. Without complaining that is. I mean… I’m just a fan, not an owner or gm. Basicailyl what I’m saying is it is what it is.
by Golden Boy on Jan 8, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we all will always be fans of this team for better or for worst, but it’s one thing to cheer for your team and another to support them. I think it should be more like, yes, watch the warriors on tv and cheer them on from home, but don’t feed into the franchise and give them anymore of our hard earned money if they don’t deserve it.
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Jan 8, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to clown you at all, but how long have you been watching them? Cause it gets frustrating watching the same things happen over and over.
by THIZZ-A-LOT on Jan 8, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You think I don't know that
But it’s up to them to change it. Seriously, what’s us complaining gonna do?
by Golden Boy on Jan 8, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what’s us complaining gonna do?
Hopefully, some change.
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by JustSomeName on Jan 8, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's not
They’re just going to do what they’re going to do. Like that saying goes, “coaches coach and players play.” The same thing applies to the front office.
by Golden Boy on Jan 8, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how does that really help
they’ll keep doing what they want but with less money. Its not like if they’re short on cash, they’re going to logon to GSoM and check every poll to see what we want. well maybe…. if we lived in a perfect world.
by amhd388 on Jan 9, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's probably a new bandwagon fan
Golden boy, you haven’t had to deal with all of the us and downs that a true warriors fan has had to deal with because you are a brand new fan that decided to jump on the bandwagon so whatever you say doesn’t mean a thing to me. so quit your yappin and stop acting like you’re above everyone else.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 8, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What an idiotic thing to say
I’m not a bandwagoner, you just hate that I’m not criticizing the team like all of you are. I’ve dealt with all the ups and downs since ‘94. From Webber’s rookie year to the next year of starting off good to trading webber and us falling down -hill ever since. Man get your $hit right. Seems like you’re the new fan to me.
by Golden Boy on Jan 9, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
What’s the “us and downs?” Don’t you mean ups and downs?
by Golden Boy on Jan 9, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And 1 more thing
I forgot to mention… The only one “yappin” is you guys who keep bitc__n that the Warriors are losing. Then you call me a bandwagoner. You don’t seem like you’re bright at all. Yeah dude, I’m totally bandwagoning a team that’s 10-27 right now. Makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it?
by Golden Boy on Jan 9, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't lie..you probably jumped on when we finally got to the playoffs
just because you have 2 seasons under your belt doesn’t make you a true warriors fan. FYI : you’re not hard because you curse in your statements haha bandwagoner!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 9, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe what you want
Your opinion doesn’t matter to me. And it’s your immaturity to think that I think I’m above anyone else. I’m expressing my opinion, which is no different than what you people do. I mean it’s a public forum. Duhhhhhhhhh. You seem childish, so I’ve probably been a fan from before you were even born.
by Golden Boy on Jan 9, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there's a difference
between complaining and making suggestions to improve the current situation. Yes, some people are complaining on this site but a lot of other people are making very valid points that they feel should be made known and the public forum is the best way to go about it since it is one of the few places where we can express thoughts. I don’t think this site goes un-noticed by everyone in that warriors franchise. i can guarantee you that a few players come to this site to take a peek at what’s going on and i can definitely tell you that a lot of popular reporters probably take a look over here to see what people are talking about and when that happens, people tend to react. who knows how they’re going to react? not me, but at least people’s voices can be heard and you never know, the message could get a across to one of the more important people who need to hear these messages from the fans. so when i said stop acting like you’re above everyone else, i was referring to your statement of “what’s complaining going to do?” you said it yourself “i’m expressing my opinion” so let people express their opinions then, nobody needs you to tell them what to do. just because you aren’t complaining or putting in input doesn’t mean that you’re better than nobody.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Jan 9, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I never said I'm better than anybody
Fine, ya’ll complain. I’ll just cheer, like I always do. And I highly doubt anyone will listen to us the fans. They know we don’t like the current state of the team, but they’re still not doing anything to make it better. As far as me “telling people what to do,” it’s a 2-way street. You’re the one trying to tell me what to do. Oh man but seriously, I’m finished. I’m just going to leave it at my opinion is different (I didn’t say better) from yours.
by Golden Boy on Jan 9, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what I’m saying is it is what it is.
so you are a fan of nothing in particular , “it” is it ? What if the Dubs general manager was Adolf Hitler or Rush Limbaugh?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 9, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Nellie is the diabolical villain Kawakami paints him to be. From all appearances, Nellie is playing some politics to stay in favor with the people in power… I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with that. Moreover, Nellie has been a good and fun coach for this team many times over the years. He did a great job in ‘06-’07, a solidly good job last year.
He’s doing an extremely poor coaching job this year, in just about every way you can imagine.
Firstly, he hasn’t been helping us win. Between the unnecessarily small lineups, the overuse of Jack and complete apathy towards defensive coaching, Nellie’s gotten 10 wins out of a team that, with all its flaws and injuries, should’ve reached 15 wins so far.
Secondly, and more importantly for a bad team, he’s not helping to develop some of our key young players. Brandan Wright is hurt now, but when healthy and playing well, was jerked around game to game and seemed, understandably, unhappy. It’s quite possible that Anthony Randolph is immature and deserves to be relegated to the end of the bench, but it’s also possible that Nellie’s schizo handling of him has made the problem worse. Look at Randolph’s minutes for a stretch of games in November: 21, 0, 9, 0, 13, 28, 19, 1. Does that strike anyone as a good way to help a raw young guy along?
Nellie has even hurt us in a third way that most coaches couldn’t conceive of: he’s hampered the trade value of lots of our guys by talking up their limitations. We have a bad roster, that will need to change significantly if we’re going to get anywhere… we’re going to need to trade some guys. Given that, is it helpful that Nellie’s talking about how fragile Maggette will be from now, about how limited Wright is, about how unprepared for the NBA Randolph seems? His candor is entertaining, and generally harmless if your team’s cruising along well, but it’s counterproductive for a team that needs to make some moves, and Nellie’s smart enough to know that.
Even in this nightmare of a season, Nellie does some things that I like. It’s cool that he’s given Marco a chance (though Marco’s starting to look like he’s hit his ceiling), and I like that he was willing to go to Morrow so quickly once Morrow proved viable. But overall, Nellie’s coaching job has been unacceptable. He’s been stubborn, he’s been lazy, and he’s been combative with young players upon whom our future depends. It’s been quite a pitiful performance from an often-great coach.
If forced to opt for one of the Nellie/Rowell/Cohan trio, I’d certainly opt for Nellie… he’s been an asset to basketball teams, unlike the other two, and he’s entertaining to boot. But Nellie is a huge part of our problem going forward, and for this particular season, I think it’s fair to say that he hasn’t earned the fanbase’s money. The big man is simply phoning it in.
by onlxn on Jan 8, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
+1000000
great reply. I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said here. Nellie is not a dumb guy, it’s obvious that his rotations and comments to the media off court all have purpose.
by bayareaballa on Jan 8, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We are NOT a 15-win team. We are a collection of overrated scorers, drafted rooks and sophs, undrafted/D-leaguers, and Andris Biedrins. Toronto is a 15-win team. We have nothing resembling Bosh/Calderon/vet role players. If anything- we’re overachieving.
For comparison, let’s look at Marreesse Speights’ minutes for a stretch in November. 0, 22, 17, 5, 10, 20, 1, 17. He is the most productive rookie PER wise, I believe. Also, the nature of our roster makes it difficult to establish a rotation.
Nelson wouldn’t have to talk about how unprepared Randolph is if certain “reporters” stopped bothering him about it.
by antihero on Jan 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Speights is an older and much more polished player than Randolph… he’s not a guy who needs to be coaxed along. Randolph is, and Nellie knows it. And Nellie’s musings about Randolph’s flaws certainly aren’t thrust upon him by Kawakami. That’s just Nellie holding forth as usual.
As to your larger point…
We are a collection of overrated scorers, drafted rooks and sophs, undrafted/D-leaguers, and Andris Biedrins.
I agree. But that’s still a team that could be 15-22 right now with decent coaching. Toronto’s a straw man - they’re unusually talented for a below.500 team, and their struggles are related to their extremely tough schedule. Our schedule, even as road-heavy as it’s been, has been substantially easier.
With Monta on the shelf, we’re not a very talented team. But are we really less talented than the Pacers? The Knicks? The friggin’ Bobcats? We’re more than three games worse than any of those teams, and none of them have even our middling talent.
I mean, this isn’t rocket science. We’re not dealing with an infinite number of hypotheticals here.
How many games have we won that we should’ve lost? We had no business beating the Celtics… other weaker teams have been doing that lately as well, but that one certainly counts. We caught Portland before they put it together… let’s toss Nellie a bone and say that one counts also. Two games.
How many games have we lost that we should’ve won? I’d say at least seven. We’ve lost to the Thunder, the Timberwolves, the Wizards, the Grizzlies twice, a short-handed Pacers team, an embarrassingly short-handed Knicks team… we’ve lost to some terrible teams.
Now, are all of our losses of weak teams Nellie’s fault? Of course not. We shot 3-for-20 from three in the first Memphis game… when you do that, you’re gonna lose, and there’s not much the coach can do about it. But for every game like that, there’s a game like the first Heat game, where Nellie completely coached us out of a win. Or the Dwight-less Orlando game, where Nellie used such a pitifully small lineup that Marcin Gortat smacked us around. Or those twenty games in a row where the team seemed both uninterested in and incapable of any semblance of defense.
Our roster is poor. It is simply not poor enough to excuse a 10-27 record through this point. I’m a Nellie fan too, but let’s not kid ourselves.
by onlxn on Jan 8, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Games we should have won?
The funny thing is, those teams probably marked us as a W too.
If you think about it, those teams aren’t even THAT bad. The Wolves have a post presence, some good shooters, a nice tweener in Gomes. The Grizz have two wings who are loads better than our wings and lots of talent down low. The Wiz have 2 all-stars from last year.
I don’t know about their defenses, but they can’t be worse than ours, right? We have too many young guys to be solid on defense and our vets are pure scorers (translation: no d) Not sure you can coach CJ to not get crossed on defense.
And hey, I like Crawford and Jackson and Biedrins a lot, but they’re not very good at being primary scorers. In fact, they’re terribad.
by antihero on Jan 9, 2009 2:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The teams with worse records than us were all due to scheduling more than anything. Take the Clippers for example: they had the Lakers twice, Utah twice, Houston, and Denver with A.I. I don’t think that our team is terrible, but our schedule by comparison to them was peaches and cream. We could’ve easily gone 0-6 to start the year if we’d had the schedule of the clips early on.
by ryogahibiki on Jan 9, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nellie’s gotten 10 wins out of a team that, with all its flaws and injuries, should’ve reached 15 wins so far.
10 wins is better than 15 wins in the lottery race.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 9, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
A very compelling article by TK! I’m impressed! Makes sense too! But as a loyal Warriors fan (sucka), I’m going to keep my season tickets for as long as I can afford (or have some room in my credit cards) them! How sad!
Geeez Louf*ckingweeez!!!
by scottiepimppen on Jan 8, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
rowell and cohan don't deserve the fans
but guys like jax and goose do. we should be proud that the one thing we can control—how we support and respond to our team—we do better than just about any other nba city.
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Jan 8, 2009 1:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
i don’t root for management, but i will cheer on the players every time. if management puts together a group of players who i can’t cheer for at all it would be a different story. totally unlikable, terrible players would do the job, but now, they just suck. that doesn’t mean i don’t like the guys.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jan 8, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's absolutely true...
The worse the fanbase is, the better the team is. I mean look at the LA Lakers.
by ThermoElectro on Jan 8, 2009 1:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how they can cheer a team that has tainted victories
I can’t speak for the showtime Lakers, but since the Shaq and Kobe era, pretty much everything has been handed to them by fixed officiating. I’d be saying the same exact thing if that’s how the Warriors got by, but we get the exact opposite treatment from the officials.
by Golden Boy on Jan 8, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It seems like all the refs are against us or something and the NBA doesnt want us to succeed. Makes absolutely no sense!
And on that comment about Belinelli hitting his ceiling, what the hell are you talking about?! He’s only started to get regular minutes for about 2 months and hes only 22 years old! Even younger than Rudy Fernandez! He is farrrrrrrr from hitting his ceiling, just give him a season or two to develop his skills, cause we all see that theyre there, they just need to be tapped out so that he can be the best player that he can be
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by JustSomeName on Jan 8, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
Sure Kobe gets superstar treatment and the WCF against the Kings was a joke, but last night they really weren’t getting that many calls. Kobe and Pau were hit a lot on plays but the refs let them play. At least last night, this didn’t seem like the case.
by Calamity on Jan 8, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely don't know about that.
That’s because Kobe wasn’t doing much. (like driving to the basket…much) And what about Byum traveling? And Maggette steal? What a FOUL? All in the fourth. Crutch time?
The Warriors office (whoever) should do some serious appealing to the NBA.
by Shells on Jan 8, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
everything has been handed to them by fixed officiating.
maybe you should study the rules?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 9, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kawakmi is nothing more than tabloid journalism and this great
article brings the FACTS to light!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 8, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, you can’t put all the blame on these “journalists”. Tabloids report the news that people want to hear… and plenty of “Fire Nelson” fans want validation.
by antihero on Jan 8, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
screw me now AND screw me later
I like Tim becasue he has the guts to call it like he sees it. Of course I agree with a lot of what he feels about Nelson and the upper management. But here’s the deal. A good to great franchise has an General Manager (or VP, etc) who is the Architect and a head coach who acts as the builder. At the present moment, we have a vacant position at VP since Mullin’s been put out to pasteur and a bottom line money guy (Rowell) making basketball decisions. And we have a coach who arguably has mailed it in since he manipulated an insane extension and seemingly has no desire to coach a young team. Too bad for us he’ll hang around to get his “winnest coach ever” and disappear to Maui.
All of that is to say quite relunctanly I am planning on not renewing our tickets, not so much because we are not fans but because I am way too frustrated to spend so much money with no end in site to the misery with Rowell in charge and Nellie coaching. Until there is a General Manager with a clear vision and a coach to implement that vision, it will be the three ring circus as we are seeing this year. There was no effort to address the two biggest problems that EVERYONE knew we had when Baron left: to get a PG and also to find a legit PF. Without painfully rehashing the past, when Nelson started playing Maggette at PF that was the beginning of the end for me. I just don’t see things getting better and just more juggling to try to sell seats but not make a long term committment to winning with Rowell and Nellie respectively in charge. Fooll me once (hence Webber is the answer but what was the question) but don’t keep trying to fool me with nonesensical moves because it pisses me off.
CWebb is undoubtedly the answer but I forgot the question.
by commish on Jan 8, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kawakami is a hack who is bitter he is one the outside looking in,
He doesn’t report news, hes trying to be the news. Its not about him. This is our team and he brings nothing to the table other than lies and BS!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jan 8, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I see
You are thrilled by our record so far and the craziness of Nellie’s mercurical (that means up and down), egotistical (small ball, isolation, and playing vets into the ground), and brutally punishing towards some coaching style. However, all that being said (by a wide consensus of writers and bloggers, not just a few “self-serving” journalists), the real problem is Rowell. How much Nelson had to do with the hand dealt him, so to speak, is just speculation. But clearly we do not have a well rounded and coherent team with a GM to sort it out and a coach to then implement do the rest. To me it seems that will not happen with Rowell and Cohen in their respective positions, and that is just plain sad for all of we fans.
CWebb is undoubtedly the answer but I forgot the question.
by commish on Jan 9, 2009 7:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
nellie's a loser
and actually "mercurical’ is not a word, but ‘mercurial’ does have the meaning you stated.
not only is nelson mercurial and rabidly egotistical, he is also a blackmailing scumbag (just ask sam spear—that is, if knbr doesn’t fire him for future bad remarks about nellie).
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