What Would the Spurs Do?
This franchise is a loser franchise and has been for fifteen years, largely because they trade the wrong players at the wrong time. Some people are proposing we act rashly, looking only for instant gratification, revenge or making up dream world trades that would never happen. If you want to stop being a loser, start emulating the best.
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What would the Spurs do with Jackson? While we can't be exactly sure, they're a well run business that demands respect and no single player will make fools of them. I think that may be what Jackson would like to do to the F.O. Of course, the F.O. is probably tired of being made to look like fools, so they ought to take some time to seriously think about this.
I say we play the waiting game. When you go to the doctor's office, there's a waiting room. It's called a waiting room, because you're supposed to wait. Why do doctors do that, when other businesses do not? The idea is they are in charge, and the patient sits and waits as proof of that. It's a psychological game that makes the doctor's job easier. We wait and trade him on our own terms, letting Jack and the rest of the league know who is in charge.
That means, we sit on him, until a good opportunity comes along. Besides, how dumb would that be to trade him immediately? So far, he hasn't played well, so no one wants him to play for them, and his behavior is bad so no team would want to deal with his drama. Every team in the league feels that we're anxious to trade him to try to avoid more drama and appease disgruntled fans; today, we have no power over the situation.That means, if we try to trade him today, we're dealing from a position of extreme weakness.
So what do we do with him in the meantime? Do we sit him? The question is, does that help the team? In the short run, I think it does. Nellie and the F.O. show Jackson that he doesn't run the show here. We tell would be Jackson-suitors that Jack is staying put for now. We do with him, essentially what we did with Randolph. If he keeps yapping and acting up, we simply will not play him and keep him on the bench. We don't even have to bring him on the road with us. Why waste a plane ticket?
My point is, the Dubs need to be patient right now, regardless of how disgruntled the fans and Jackson get. It's irrelevant how bad our team has been or how Jackson or the fans feel, when it comes to making good long-term decisions. If we can just wait out Jackson's tantrum and get him playing decent basketball again, we can possibly get a decent offer for him. We have a lot of trading chips and a lot of time. We're not going to win a championship this year anyway, as we all know.
What would the Spurs do? I'm sure they would feel like they are in control of the situation, because they always are. In turn, they would behave in a way that reflects that confidence. Why should we let Jackson dictate the terms of his departure? He signed a contract with us; we're paying him far more than what he deserves. The least he can do is show some courtesy and not hurt the team. I say, sit his behind down and leave him there as long as it takes for this drama to pass. He has lost a lot of influence on the team at this point, because much of his influence came from playing well. He hasn't done that so far and has frankly acted like a jack-ass. Our other more mature players will fill the leadership vacuum, like Ronnie Turiaf and maybe even Monta Ellis.
On the bright side of all of this, we're a good enough team that sitting Jackson on the bench will not cost us much. We have solid 3's in Maggette and Azubuike. We have no reason to behave rashly or rush to make a trade. Our team is still pretty decent, Nellie is still in charge (which is good for a young, rebuilding team) and we know exactly what Jackson wants, since he announced it publicly. We can hold that over his head for 4 more years, if we so choose.
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trade him for immediate cap relief
…and if that isn’t possible (very likely) play him and suspend him according to his actions. If it gets bad enough, send him home to Texas for the rest of the season on a paid holiday and tell him he better show up next year a different man. Perhaps he could rehab his reputation in that time well enough so that we could actually trade him a year from now.
DON’T take long term money back and DON’T give away other Warrior prospects just to move him. Consider offering our expirings or even prospects only if truly needed talent were coming back this year.
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I partly agree
Your right on how to handle it. Show him who is boss and not him. But Jack is smart, we have a weak FO that acts out of fear and panic. For example signing Maggs to a huge deal when Baron left or when we traded Al for Crawford. Our FO is not smart enough to do this. But he is to much of a cancer in the locker room influencing our young guys. Trade him for cap space or if we can in a three way or for way trade and try to get a decent backup four.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
I think making bad trades is more of a cancer on team morale. If we can not just wait him out but keep him somewhat under control, minimizing any damage he does, we might come out of this O.K. Maybe between Nellie and Riley, we can pull it off.
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Maybe
I agree that bad trades should not be done in an order to get rid of him. But he knows Monta to well at this point. Even if we gave him the Marbury treatment and just said don’t even sit on the sidelines, go broadcast Wolves games he would still talk to Ellis and that may effect him. A move for a backup four should be made rather it be Tyrus Thomas, Maxiell, Landry etc.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
I say we let captain jack-ass sit in that waiting room till everybody else has been looked at
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Why do doctors do that, when other businesses do not?
Cause they see lots of patients and don’t know how long each one will take, they make a guess and sometimes it’s not enough time. No conspiracy there.
Now why was SJax allowed to stay in and get 5 fouls anyway? Why didn’t Nellie pull him after 2 quick ones? I’d probably be pissed in that situation too, trying to guard Kobe and with rookie refs making it harder, then the coach throws you under the bus?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 11, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions
Jackson wouldn't be complaining if he was in San Antonio.
He’d be content with being on the Spurs, since they are a championship contender. The Spurs aren’t an embarrassing, stupid, and frustrating franchise like the Golden State Warriors.
There wouldn’t be a situation there where he’ll want to be traded, unless he wants to play for a team where he can get more playing time (he’d probably be a 6th man for San Antonio, backing up Richard Jefferson).
He was a key player when the Spurs won a championship in 2003, helping to end the Lakers’ dynasty as the 3rd highest scorer on the Spurs during the postseason. Tim Duncan even called him the “Ultimate Teammate”.
I think it’s simple. If he really wants to get traded, tell him he better play good or else he’ll get traded to a crappy team. If he plays good on the Warriors, they’ll try trading him to a contender while getting equal value in return.
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by Precise Films Productions on Oct 11, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions
The Spurs also wouldn’t have foolishly given him a contract that runs well into his unproductive years.
The Spurs had him and didn’t keep him for a 3rd season. “Ultimate Teammate” or not, no one has kept him for 3 full seasons. Hmmmm.
by jae on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tim Duncan even called him the "Ultimate Teammate".
I’ve been hunting down the source on Duncan saying that and cannot find it. It’s mentioned as an unreferenced line on the wikipedia entry for Jax; the next reference does not mention it. It appears over and over again in cut and paste references from that unreferenced wiki page in blogs, blog comments and message boards, but I cannot find a real reliable source providing much veracity to the comment. If anyone has something that’s not wikipedia or some other unreferenced repetition (e.g. not bleacherreports) I’d be curious. It’s looking more like something that has been repeated often enough to the point that people believe it, whether or not it actually happened.
That or it could have happened somewhere else, like on the radio
For example, I remember Nellie praising Jack last season on one of his radio shows about Jack being the guy to have in a foxhole or something like that.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 13, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I TOTALLY DISAGREE
Your idea does have a lot of logic, but I think its bad logic… This isn’t just about making our team look good; I think it’s more about protecting our assets. Jackson still has a lot of influence on the younger players, because he is a vet with a ring. Keeping him here and sitting him on the bench really doesn’t improve his value either IMO, just as it didn’t for Stephon Marbury in NY last year. And yes our management has made bad trades… but I don’t think this would be one of them. Stephen Jackson’s contract is WAY too long and cost WAY too much. I also think this is probably the peak of the remaining years on his contract in terms of being a good basketball player. If we wait a year, he loses another step and his contract will look even worse. To me, your article is basically saying keep him here to teach him a lesson, and show the league(and him) who is boss, however IMO that is just immature and would further disgrace our management. That is like telling a battered wife not to leave her husband because she has a history of abusive relationships, and telling her to wait while she takes karate classes and lifts weights until she can finally beat up her husband for revenge. IT’S JUST A RIDICULOUS IDEA THAT WOULD BE UNLIKELY TO HAPPEN, JUST AS THE BENIFIT OF KEEPING JACKSON HERE TO"SHOW HIM WHO’S BOSS". Yeah it would be nice to flex our authority for a change; I just don’t think this is the right situation to try to do it.
by juicen510 on Oct 12, 2009 2:33 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Not a fan of that analogy. If anything it’s more like football and holdouts. Players try to pull crap on teams all the time that don’t have a solid reputation of not giving in built up – look at Crabtree and the Niners and Boldin and the Cardinals, for example. Generally the FO makes an example of the first player that acts up, and as long as they take care of the guys who both deserve it when their time comes, players respect it. I agree with Naticus, this is a good time to take a stand. I’d consider playing Jack (depending on his effort/productivity when he plays), but definitely take a stand, meet with him face to face and flat out tell him everything is happening on the FO’s terms (and show him the contract he signed). If he doesn’t go along he can sit on the bench for however long and the team moves on. If he does shut up and realize he needs to go out and play hard to have any chance of being traded, he shuts up and helps us win games. The worst thing to do is let him dictate how things are run – not a good reputation to gain among the players.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to write this fan post a little differently
Tilte was to be: “The 2nd Reclamation of Stephen Jackson”
Now I’m going to have to get a little bracelet with the letters WWTSD.
Anyway, I say the same thing I said last month, sit Jackson for a while. Sit him and make him watch. Sit him with his own assistant coach assigned to him, showing him all of the things that the other Warriors are doing right. Sit him, and if he starts to come around, start listening to what he sees happening on the court. Sit him and teach him how to be a savvy veteran team player. Teach him how to be a leader. Give him every opportunity to show that he wants to live up to his contract without touching the court. Then, if he comes around, he’ll be a much better asset to the team, as he’ll understand the offense, understand the coaches, see the very real skills the rest of the team has, and have a motivation to play.
If this does not work, and his poor attitude carries on for more than a month, void his contract for fraud. There is plenty of very public evidence and an unrequited, well documented effort to rehabilitate the relationship would make it abundantly clear the Jackson intends to attempt to collect paychecks without fulfilling the obligations he agreed to to earn them.
The league offices would likely back the Warriors on this; they have got to be sick and tired of dealing with Marburys and Tinsleys; and Jackson is already demonstrably on their persona non grata list (see fine for trade demand earlier this summer compared to Kobe, etc.) The NBA just doesn’t need the unwelcome publicity that a player like Jackson brings, especially when that publicity appears to hep drive away fans.
The Players Union, while likely not happy about the development, would be far less likely to come to the defense of a player who demonstrably quits on his team. Players know that when a player negotiates a contract as Jackson has, then quits on his team as Jackson appears to be, backing him up (and making sure he gets paid) only makes it harder for them to get paid in the future. Why? because teams have to factor the risk that they will turn out to be a fraudulent quitter into contract negotiations. This may not show up in individual contracts, where teams end up in bidding wars or believe they can protect themselves by smart front office work, but it will very likely show up in the pending collective bargaining negotiations, where the league has a very strong incentive to prevent teams (and the quality of play) from being destroyed by greedy, fraudulent, quitters. Coincidentally, the players themselves have a strong incentive to prevent the perception that NBA players are greedy quitters who whine – instead of work – to get what they want.
Jackson is painting himself in to a corner. Possessed by the demon-spirit of Al Harrington, Jackson has completely destroyed all possible trade value he ever had. This combined with the foolish contract he insisted on negotiating for (and the Warriors foolishly gave him) make him absolutely impossible to move – why would a contender risk anything on a malcontent and aging complementary player like Jackson? Why would a rebuilding team take him when he has already said he wants to play for a contender; that’s why he’s upset now. Even a team looking to dump a really bad contract would rather have a quiet really bad contract than Jackson and his contract. How many offers did the Knicks get for Marbury last season? He was willing to play.
If his pride will ever let him see them, maybe the Warriors can help Jackson learn from his mistakes and gain an even more valuable asset in return. If not, simply the threat of voiding the deal might be sufficient to negotiate a tolerable buy-out, but only if it is clear that all bridges have been burned.
(One potential doomsday solution – ie. none of the above works – if Cohan is willing to spend the money: trade Jackson and cash considerations paying a substantial portion of his salary to a team that needs money now, in a bad way, and can send back a player who’s contract expires in the next two years. Jackson, expiring contracts, a draft pick + 20 million dollars might be sufficient to persuade the Jazz to part with Kirilenko, but even then I’m probably dreaming.)
If this does not work, and his poor attitude carries on for more than a month, void his contract for fraud.
Why is getting five fouls poor attitude? Seems more like poor coaching that left him in after the first two? Has SJax ever refused to play ? I don’t really know what all the fuss is about, we know Jax is emotional and we’ve always used it to our advantage. I’d be more concerned with figuring out what has him upset cause it’s probably a real problem that the rest of the team can’t see yet? Jax is not some raw rookie , he’s been around long enough to know what is what.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 12, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don't know if I should be taking these comments seriously skep...
He was suspended for cursing out Nelson in the middle of an exhibition game. Emotional schmemotional. That’s just “I don’t want to be here” BS. He doesn’t want to be here, he’s gone on record about it, and the only reason he hasn’t gone on record about it is that he was suspended. What made him get back in line? The league’s threat to take more money out of his pocket (Reason for actions: money). He has himself said that the only reason he accepted that contract was because it was too rich to turn down (Reason for actions: money).
Things are going exactly as planned for Jax. He’s smart and knows how to take advantage of a situation. The only possible monkey wrench is that the Warriors FO is not as stupid as he thinks they are. They need to Starbury him, and I hope they do it. They cannot sell him at 10 cents on the dollar to a contender. That is not the way to improve this basketball team. They need to show Jax who’s boss, admit their mistake, and not compound that mistake by trading Jax for an Eddy Curry type deal. They need to make a mockery of Jax by putting his face on the jumbotron in street clothes at every game so the fans can endlessly boo him, and then eventually buy him out. Unless, of course, a 30 cents on the dollar deal comes around once other GMs realize that our FO isn’t stupid.
I’d be more concerned with figuring out what has him upset cause it’s probably a real problem that the rest of the team can’t see yet?
The real problem is that now that he’s signed his contract (Reason: money), he’s realized that the money is not enough for him. He wants another ring, in addition to his money. Now he wants to be traded. The league is taking money away from him when he makes a verbal nuisance of himself, so he behaves in the only way he knows how, like a petulant child: I want my ice cream (trade) and I’m just going to pout until I get it.
Jax is not some raw rookie , he’s been around long enough to know what is what.
Yeah, he knows how to take advantage of stupid people (Warriors FO) in a time of weakness (Fall 2008, after the best two season stint of the last 18 years, the current star of the team, BD, stabbed them in the back, the star/future of the organization, Monta Ellis, broke his ankle, and another veteran, TMNT, demanded a trade because he was OK with his non-ideal role of guarding the likes of Yao Ming, but once the team outlook changed, he wasn’t willing to sacrifice that anymore). Jax knew the Warriors couldn’t withstand another veteran demanding a trade and took advantage of it to get himself paid (Reason: Money).
Jax is not an adult. He is a child who’s been allowed to remain that way for way too long due to the coddled nature of the NBA and the riches it brings. He has learned to take advantage of whatever situation presents itself. He is emotional, and when he cares about something, he can be a lightening rod and his emotionality can motivate his teammates. Furthermore, his emotionality comes across as loyalty, but that doesn’t mean he’s loyal and that his belief in something will continue over until the next year, month, day, minute. He will change his stripes as soon as a more advantageous situation for Stephen Jackson presents itself. He’ll make a great sleazy businessman.
I’d be more concerned with figuring out what has him upset cause it’s probably a real problem that the rest of the team can’t see yet?
Like what? What “real problem” could be lurking out there? That the team currently isn’t very good? That our FO is not exactly full of brainiacs? That our FO treats the organization like a business instead of some rich guy’s play toy? No duh.
Seriously, what could possibly be the problem other than that the Warriors basketball team is mediocre (easily observable by the general public through statistical evidence and anybody’s own two eyes) and that Jax is old, knows he’s on his last contract, and doesn’t want to end his career on some invisible 30-52 team? Is it something more sinister? Do you think there’s some diabolical secret that the FO is keeping from everyone? Do they have the magic key to getting the #1 draft pick in every lottery and only Jax knows they’re not using it because Cohan is a cheapskate? Is Robert Rowell blackmailing Nellie? Is Cohan the devil, who’s been sent down to exact his revenge on the second coming of Jesus (Stephen Curry)?
I’m dying for a reasonable hypothesis that would explain it (note: Cohan being the devil and the Warriors having the key to the #1 draft pick are NOT reasonable hypotheses).
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Jax is not some raw rookie , he’s been around long enough to know what is what.
Length of years does not necessarily equal wisdom. Don Nelson is not some raw rookie. He’s been around long enough to know what is what.
Based on his reputation, it isn’t entirely implausible that Nelson isn’t privately egging Jackson on while publicly refusing to trade for anything not worth far more than a disgruntled Jackson is worth in some weird scheme to get Jackson’s extension voided… well, yes it is, but only because that would be insanely risky. But, Nelson has been credited/blamed for crazier stunts.
Jackson throwing a tantrum isn’t even a little out of character. He’s an emotional guy who just saw his friend play the trade-demand+tantrum game to successfully go play (quite happily) for D’Antoni in NY last year. That same friend had ample opportunity to discuss it with Jackson over them summer (say, maybe, at one of the events for the company they are partners in.) Jackson’s previous game was also uncharacteristically bad. It is not hard to believe that he was pulling a similar stunt on Friday (and Nelson just decided to give him plenty of rope with which to hang himself.)
I think you’re overestimating the chances his contract gets voided. Is there any precedent for that whatsoever? Whether you think it’s a good idea or not, deep down you know the Players Union would fight any attempt to void Jack’s contract with every ounce of energy they have…
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I know its a long shot
particularly since Jackson can argue that he signed the contract under the impression that the Warriors were bringing in someone like Amar’e. Still, Jackson’s conduct is clearly not in line with his contract and sets such a bad precedent (at least Tinsley and Marbury were in the last year of their deals, not less than a year removed from signing a very generous extension.) The Union probably does fight it, but the case is a tough one to fight and voiding Jackson’s deal (or negotiating/arbitrating an inexpensive buyout) is both a just result and exactly what the Warriors need.
I do not agree with the first paragraph toddaverth..
but thats only cause im not a jack fan and i want him gone lol but..im on board with the rest of the post i personally as a fan am tired of these players whining and crying cause they want to be traded when they have been paid a good amount of money its so discusting to look at…ppl that go to the games pay good money to see the players that WE pay for to play and i dont think its right…after reading this post i def agree x100 that we should take him to court no he didnt say he would not play but right after the dubs gave him his money he has spoken outright to the public that he wants to be traded now dont get me wrong compared to the other teams out in the WILD WILD WEST were no where near the playoffs but still that doesnt give him any right to ask for a trade weather it was publicaly or not.
by blacksamurai33 on Oct 12, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Two things
1. The first paragraph, the part about sitting him and showing him how good the team he has really is (and teaching him how to play with them) is key. It either gets you a much improved Jackson (unlikely, but we can hope) or it proves that the team did everything it could to try to hep Jackson succeed, thus making the voiding of his contract nearly incontestable.
2. If Jackson had made his trade request privately to the team and then played hard, knowing that it was the best way to help his desired trade happen, I wouldn’t have minded one bit (I wouldn’t have known, but even if I somehow had that inside information it wouldn’t bother me.) It isn’t his wanting a trade that bothers me, it’s his hurting the team instead of fulfilling his contract – the one he lobbied for and got last year – that I am totally disgusted with.
The Spurs wouldn't have signed Jackson to that ludicrous extension to begin with ...
… so they wouldn’t be in this position with a player of no trade value.
The spurs would magically win the lottery 2 years there r franchise centers who are coincidentally great teammates too....
Its not hard to build a winner when you are blessed with robinson/duncan. Let me reitterate, you need to be really dumb to mess it up.
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“WWTBD”? The Bulls won 6 championships. “WWTLD”? They’d trade for a couple all star big men in their prime and drafted a promising young player that told everybody else he didn’t want to play anywhere else. How about “WWTCD”? They’d win the lottery and draft Blake Griffen. Too early for them, but yeah…
The Spurs are great because of Tim Duncan and what he does. He allows them to draft players to fit into roles. They don’t need to spend their draft picks on “future stars”, they’re drafting a guy to fit a role, telling him what his role is, and letting him do it because Tim Duncan fills all the big holes. Give Tony Parker a single hole to fill at first, let him master that, and then expand on it. The Warriors cannot do that because there are too many holes to fill and they’re simultaneously trying to find their own “Tim Duncan,” around whom they can build a team.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get the impression that it was anybody else...
And it still only happened because Kobe wouldn’t play anywhere else.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn’t disagree more with your assessment of the Spurs. Obviously the author was advising the Spurs are one of the more well run organizations. He’s not comparing titles, because you can definately make the case that Ainge and Reinsdorf have made some horrible choices over the years.
Please explain all the "savvy" moves that the Spurs have made that cannot be explained by "Well, they've got Tim Duncan, they don't need that much else."
That’s because they’ve had either Tim Duncan or The Admiral (or both) for the last 20+ years and have had an identity as well as a big man to anchor their team, while they go look for complementary parts instead of having a team filled with complementary parts and needing an anchor and identity. Prior to the Robinson/Duncan era, they bought George Gervin, the Michael Jordan of his time, from the Virginia Squires of the ABA for $225,000. The league even tried to stop the acquisition.
The 3 HoF players that have lead the Spurs to their glory were acquired by: Purchase (which the league tried to stop), winning the lottery (14%), and winning the lottery (21.60%). Do you really think a team of Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, and big men like Oberto, Elson, Nesterovic, Nazr Mohammed, etc. would have won championships? Or are they so savvy that they’d somehow acquire a top quality big man, just because they’re so great? Would they have been able to pry away
It’s easy to look good when you win the lottery in the right years and buy players from teams that are just out to make a quick buck.
Are the Spurs a better run team than the Warriors? Yeah, but that’s not saying much. If basketball teams were transportation vessels, the Warriors would be the Titanic and the Clippers would be the Hindenburg (or vice versa, depending on whether you live in Nor/So-Cal). Just because your car can make it to the store and back in one piece doesn’t mean it deserves a medal of valor.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 13, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Their better because....
they get the most out of everything they do. They find the right parts, like a Stephen Jackson, Speedy Claxton or Kevin Willis. They drafted Tony Parker at the bottom of the first round, and Manu in the second round, and now Blair #37 might be another another steal. They get the most bang for their buck on contracts Manu 7 mil, Tony 10 mil, Tim is the only max player deservedly so.
The 90’s Bulls never had a great big man in the 90’s, but they still dominated. On the flip side having a great big man doesn’t guarantee anything, ahem, KG with Minny and the old Sampson and Olajuwan Rockets.
True they don’t deserve the Medal of Valor, their ok with the four championships in the last ten years.
The 90’s Bulls never had a great big man in the 90’s, but they still dominated.
Those Bulls are a great model to follow. Step one: draft the greatest player ever.
Step two: draft the most versatile wing defender of all time.
by Missing Barry on Oct 15, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, thanks for pointing that out. Correction:
Step two: pull off draft day trade for the most versatile wing defender of all time.
by Missing Barry on Oct 16, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Step 3
Buy great players from other franchises.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 16, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
If you JaySo
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 15, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
There are zero players in any NBA draft that aren’t drafted on potential. What they’ve done against college/high school/international competition is NOTHING like the NBA. Nobody has any idea what is actually going to transpire because, uhh…. you know… it’s, like, the future ’n stuff. Tim Duncan could have easily gone the Greg Oden route. Then the Spurs would have a reputation akin to the Warriors or Clippers.
Seriously, enjoy this while it lasts, this might be your last year. As soon as Duncan retires, you will realize how big a hole he fills.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 16, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
No
actually I was being facetious on my last comment, so no not seriously. I agree with you, when Duncan and Manu leave which I think will be at about the same time.I expect a couple down seasons.
The Spurs like they always do, find a player in the draft or free agency to stay competitive. They also do a good job of building up the young guys and developing their talent overseas.
I expect some pretty crappy seasons, but unlike other teams they won’t be down for long.
The Spurs like they always do, find a player in the draft or free agency to stay competitive.
I suspect players they’ve found in the draft wouldn’t keep them terribly competitive in absence of a dominant big man. It’s been a while since they found anyone in the draft. Even longer since they found someone that wasn’t traded to another team before he did anything in the league.
yea
they have the time now so i can see them making some trades in the next few years for some young talent a player like AR4 with amazing potential. but older vets seem to fit the team well..but only around the core of Tim and Parker so good luck to them
by blacksamurai33 on Oct 17, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Right...
the Spurs FO knows that Tim and Manu’s time is running out. They are preparing for this by developing talent overseas and having a ton of expiring contracts.
Tim is going to take a pay cut when his contract comes up, to let the FO be players in the market. I don’t know if they’ll be at championship level, maybe 7th or 8th seed team.
preparing for this by developing talent overseas and having a ton of expiring contracts.
Umm…. good luck with that. The fact that the talent is still overseas tells me that they’re not good enough to contribute in the NBA just yet… Are any of those players promising bigs? What’s happening with Tiago Splitter?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 18, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The fact that the talent is still overseas tells me that they’re not good enough to contribute in the NBA just yet
Well, that may or may not be true, but I don’t think it has to be. Contract situations, living preferences…there are legit reasons players stay overseas beyond just not being good enough for the NBA already. I mean Childress was a decent NBA player and chose to go overseas instead…and he’s American.
by Missing Barry on Oct 19, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
From what I can tell
Splitter is staying for money too.
I have to believe that if these guys were really capable of being stars in the NBA, they’d be getting paid like it. I also see a big novelty factor in the Childress thing. We’ll see, but my point is that I’m not exactly holding my breath expecting any of these guys to replace one of the top 50 (10?) players ever.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 19, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I can agree with that. I was assuming we were talking more along the lines of solid players – if they were legit stars, I think they’d be over here, too.
by Missing Barry on Oct 19, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think its a pretty much done deal that Tiago will be with the Spurs next year, even with a pay cut. He will be able to go to the Spurs freely without having a buyout, and he says he will not sign a new contract with his international team.
He wants to be on the big stage and what bigger stage than the NBA.
Manu and Stephen J came from overseas and have contributed pretty well.
You’re still missing the point. Tim Duncan is what makes the team work. In order to be successful, Tiago (or somebody else) will need to fill those shoes, or it’s 6 seed or worse for you guys.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 20, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Some good points, but here’s the problem: Stephen Jackson is coming off what was probably the best season of his career, and he was a good citizen throughout. Would any NBA team have traded anything of value for him this summer? Absolutely not.
Many GSOMers keep contending that at some point, Jack’s trade value has to go up. Why, exactly? His volatility won’t be forgotten just because he plays nice for a couple months. And he’s not that good. He doesn’t deserve anything like the money he’s getting, and the entire league is well aware of that. Stephen Jackson, at this salary, at this age, for this number of years, is a bad deal. He has negative trade value for big, permanent reasons… he’s not going to be some kind of asset in February.
What would the Spurs do? They’d trade him now. They wouldn’t worry about Jack’s feelings, and they wouldn’t delude themselves into thinking he’d ever have trade value… they’d recognize him as the bad commodity that he is, and dump him for another bad commodity that would be a tiny bit less destructive to their locker room and bottom line.
I’m still fond of Jack, but in stark basketball terms, he has become a boil on the ass that is this franchise. And I see no point in waiting four months to lance a boil. We should trade him… now.
by onlxn on Oct 13, 2009 12:50 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Stephen Jackson is coming off what was probably the best season of his career, and he was a good citizen throughout. Would any NBA team have traded anything of value for him this summer? Absolutely not.
That’s simply not true. The Cavs were looking to trade Ilgauskas for him. He had some trade value, despite his bad contract. Right now, he’s a liability as a player and as a bad contract. Before, it was just his bad contract.
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The Cavs were looking to trade Ilgauskas for him.
Were they? My understanding is that the Warriors proposed a trade along those lines and that the Cavs said no — that the Cavs were, in fact, looking to not trade Ilgauskas for him. At no point was there any indication of interest from Cleveland’s side. Pure wishful thinking by Dubs fans.
The rumor is Cavs spoke to Warriors after jackson issue this summer
asking for turiaf with him. Saying its only way anyone would take him. Not a bad move on there part. But clearly the Warriors won’t do it.
My feeling is, we may still be able to get Z, but wait for season to get rolling a bit, and him not to fit with shaq. Of course jack could ruin any opportunity by that point…
Sounds believable. When this trade rumor first surfaced, I realized pretty quickly that it made very little sense unless we were willing to part with Turiaf. They’re not going to leave themselves with Anderson Varejão and JJ Hickson as their only big men after Shaq.
If something like (Jack+Turiaf+Claxton) for (West+Ilgauskas+Powe) tempts them at all, I pull the trigger and don’t look back.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 15, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Now is the time. ESPN and the mainstream, statistically clueless media are still spouting silly phrases like, “one of four players to average 20 pts / 5 reb / 6 ast, along with Wade, LeBron, and CP3.” Jack’s recent behavior may have significantly eroded his value as a “leader” and “champion” with “intangibles,” but I suspect there still are a few statistically illiterate GMs kicking around who think that round counting numbers like 20/5/6 are important. There are very, very few combinations of [contract + attitude + performance] that are as awful as Captain Jack’s, but there are a couple. Eddy Curry is one. Delonte West may be another, if he really is coming unglued. I say we take the request for Ilgauskas (who has value both as an expiring and as a backup center) off the table, send them [Jack + CJ] for [West + Anthony Parker], get West the best Psychiatric care the Bay Area has to offer, and move forward.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 13, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Right now, he’s a liability as a player and as a bad contract.
He’s not played enough minutes to say he’s suddenly a bad player, and sitting him will not make him any better. The way to get the most out of Jax is to put him in situations where he can succeed and don’t make him play point or power forward. I think lots of teams could use a savvy experienced guy like Jax so I’d keep his trade value up by keeping him active. We’re gonna need his experience when the real games start anyway so why hurt ourselves just to piss him off?
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On a back porch in July
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 13, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions
What situation would he be successful in though?
It is hard to picture what to do to utilize him successfully at this poitn because he has given us nothing positive this season.
Dont forget that last year a player poll showed that Jackson was the least liked potential teammate in the NBA. Worse rep than Starbury or Artest.
No one wants to play with him outside the Warriors. He is not going to go to a championship caliber team.
he may have just killed his playing career
by warriorsvictim on Oct 13, 2009 11:40 AM PDT reply actions
What situation would he be successful in though?
Something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHSguZbGK0w
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 13, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
So sad...
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 13, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
What would Spurs Do?
A great question one answer they never break their team. They still got Parker, Ginobli, and Duncan. Warriors break the We believe team and started rebuilding.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
We didn’t have a championship team with inexpendable players, other than perhaps Baron who wasn’t very healthy. I will grant that losing Baron was a huge FAIL.
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Plus 1 million. Except for the Baron part. That was a minor fail, and we’ll never know exactly who to believe or whether it would have actually been a good idea to keep Baron around. Best case, Rowell nixed a 3/39M extension. Worst case, Baron just straight stabbed the team in the back, 3/39 had been offered but not accepted, and he wanted to go start his movie producing career. I tend to think the former is true, because it’s never been denied, but was that even a good idea? Probably.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 13, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tend to believe he would have leveraged clippers offer for 4 years out of the warriors. But being as they said NO to 3/39 and if i remember, offered gilbert 5/100 before baron signed? he had no choice
starbary the sequel: stack jax revenge TM
sit him til he turns to oak or gets his head rite. (or adeal is worth it…..throw in speedy clax and law [ to many g’s already!!!!!])
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