RUMOR: Chris Bosh to Warriors for Andris Biedrins and "a lot more"
by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 12, 2009 7:59 AM PDT
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We know Larry Riley and Don Nelson would be ecstatic to have Chris Bosh in a Warriors jersey this season, but would the Raptors actually trade away their cornerstone even before the 2010 free agent madness?
A strange picture indeed.
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Steve Buffery of the Toronto Sun writes:
RUMOUR DE JOUR
Raptors forward Chris Bosh becomes a free agent at the end of the season and for that primary reason the four-time NBA all-star has yet to commit to the U.S. team for next summer's FIBA world basketball championships in Turkey. In the rumour department. Bosh has been mentioned in a possible trade to the Golden State Warriors in a deal that would involve Andris Biedrins coming to the Toronto, with, of course, a lot more, if there's any substance at all to the rumour.
Hat tip to Yahoo! Sports: Raptors' Bosh could be headed to Golden State
The interesting aspect of this rumor is that it's emanating from Toronto, not the Bay Area this time. Maybe it's just a rehash of an old rumor (very likely), but at this point in the season it still provides an interesting discussion piece and a distraction from all the "Captain" drama [SBNation Story Stream].
We covered this at length the last time the Warriors were rumored to be targeting Chris Bosh, so I'll rewind the tape a bit:
You win in this league with superstars and stars. I'm not convinced that Bosh is a superstar or will ever be one. I do think that's a big red flag that the Craptors couldn't even qualify for the "Not-So-Elite-8" in the Leastern Conference this past season. But he is a legit All-Star caliber big man and a proven commodity (Career Numbers via Yahoo! Sports). Those are hard to come by, especially for the Golden State Warriors who haven't had an All-Star power forward since Nate the Great Thurmond in 1974. (NINETEEN SEVENTY-FOUR for crying out loud!)
If the Warriors can net trade Chris Bosh this summer (and I'm not saying the Raptors are dumb enough to do it for what "assets" the Warriors have), they've got to do it. It could be a franchise altering move just like the trade for Baron Davis back in 2005.
Using ESPN's Trade Machine what reasonable packages can you assemble to bring Bosh to the Bay?
Make sure to head on over to Raptors HQ for some great perspective from our friends in Toronto.
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I would do it
as long as if the package does not include Monta, Steph, Ammo, and AR
Fear is the Mind Killer
by dubzero23 on Oct 12, 2009 8:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Yup not Monta and Not Curry definitely not AR and Ammo. Bosh is an all star but Beans has young legs. So I dont know how will Bosh fit our Run and Gun he might be, a liability rather than helping our team.
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
young legs.
In fairness, Bosh’s legs are only 25 years old — not even two years older than AB’s.
Overall, I’d be much more enthused about Bosh than Amare: he’s younger, healthier, a better defender and much more willing passer, and (anecdotally) less of a surly, egotistical jerk.
Some of the concerns about flipping him for Biedrins are the same: he’s not as good a rebounder, not really a true center, might impede the growth of AR at the 4, would require a max-level extension, etc. Still, count me marginally in the “pro” column for a Biedrins/Bosh deal … and if we can get rid of Jackson in the process, count me as enthusiastically pro.
Monta / Curry
Morrow / Monta / Azubuike
Maggette / Azubuike
Bosh / Randolph
Turiaf / Randolph
Not a bad-looking core at all.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 12, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He maybe like 2 years older than Beans
But he is a post up guy not a run and Gun guy so he need to adjust.
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there’s one thing Biedrins cannot do, it’s “gun.” He is pretty good at running part, though I suspect not any better than Bosh, who’s very quick and athletic for his size. It might take him a few games to adjust to the pace Nellieball, but I really don’t think he has any physical limitations in this regard.
As far as I can see, the only area of concern is relative to Biedrins is rebounding. That’s a pretty big area, but I think Bosh’s pros outweigh it, slightly. Still: before pulling the trigger, I would want to have some assurance that Bosh was amenable to (1) a long-term extension, and (2) playing a fair amount of center.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 12, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
playing center isn't the issue
It defending the other team’s center that probably people hate – tmnt on shaq must have contributed to him being unhappy.
by mosdl on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not like he’ll do any worse than Andris does against Shaq/Bynum/Superman
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It defending the other team’s center that probably people hate
Bosh will have to do a lot of that, so it’s fair to check on his willingness to do it before pulling the trigger on this one.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Oct 12, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he would play better in the nellie ball
he isnt any bigger than beans and hes a way!!!! better shooter so i think he will run down the court and even handle the ball a lil and get th job done….also the reason why hes not as good a rebounder is because he has the ball at the freethrow line a lot so hes kinda out of possition a lot…and i would like to see bosh and AR4 start together..
by blacksamurai33 on Oct 14, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yeah
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygf5rzm
AB, Jack, and Wright for Bosh and Antione Wright
Monta
Morrow
Azubuike
Randolph
Bosh
LOL everyone on this starting squad can score 20+ a night consistently just like Lakers?…
by bojangles408 on Oct 12, 2009 8:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably the only way it happens
is if they are willing to take Jackson and Wright with his injury. The Raptors really shouldn’t be too picky because Bosh is probably a little overrated and Biedrins is very solid, Jack can be good for a new team, and Wright has the potantial to get similar to Bosh numbers.
by duballers23 on Oct 12, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade would give Toronto a pretty solid lineup
Calderon
Jack
Hedo
Bargnani
Biedrins
I think they would do it if they know Bosh isn’t going to stay.
by bojangles408 on Oct 12, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On paper at least...
Not very athletic.
by bojangles408 on Oct 12, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biedrins would compliment bargnani though...
and they r committed to bargnani being as he will stay and bosh wont
by tafkasam on Oct 12, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely the most international lineup
I think Biedrins would be praised in Canada cause he’s a hard worker and a monster on the boards. I’m not taking anything away from Bosh, cause he’s better than Biedrins, but they could use a rebounder and imo Biedrins > Bosh in rebounding.
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by ballin on Oct 12, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL! Why'd you have to use my rush job photoshop pic!
That was the ultimate inside joke last season btw…!
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by Tony.psd on Oct 12, 2009 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Clearly your best work.
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by Fantasy Junkie on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since Bosh wont sign an extension,
hopefully the Warriors can include Stephan Jackson in this trade. With the trade machine I got Jackson, Biedrins, and Wright for Bosh and Marcus Banks as a trade that might work for both teams. Personally I would be against that trade. Biedrins is too much to give up just to get a 1 year Bosh rental that wont result in the playoffs and getting rid of Jackson. But then, I dont know for sure how toxic Jackson is around the league at the moment.
Of course my biggest fear is that Riley/Rowell/Nelson pull off this trade without Jackson and hope to make push for the 8th seed with Bosh, and still being stuck with both Jackson and Maggette next off season without either Bosh or Biedrins.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Oct 12, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do most people here only think were battling for an 8th spot?!?!
by bojangles408 on Oct 12, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because that’s the best we can only hope for after last season’s Suck.
by WYK on Oct 12, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We do have a shot at 7/8th seed.
Teams to (probably) make playoffs (6): Lakers, Denver, San Antonio, Portland, Dallas, Utah
Remember, every year there is a major injury for a solid team that hinders their “guaranteed” run at the playoffs, so I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the above teams had a star player (or players) out for the entire or half a year.
by HopHurdles on Oct 12, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because there are 8 teams that are quite a bit better than us in the West,
and I thinks its a long shot that we can pass up one of those teams. They key is to compare us against our competetion.
Last year’s standings
LA Lakers
Denver
San Antonio
Portland
Houston
Dallas
New Orleans
Utah
--
Phoenix
Golden State
Minnesota
Memphis
Oklahoma City
LA Clippers
Sacremento
Granted our team is a bit better talent wise and is hopefully much healthier than last years team. Other than Houston (possibly) I don’t see a team above us that we can chase down. In fact I am more afraid of getting run down behind by one of the teams below us.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Oct 12, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
It seems to me like Houston and Phoenix are both fair game. I actually think we should have the season advantage over New Orleans this year, too (they’re going to make the playoffs, of course).
by GSBoi86 on Oct 12, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
mortgage the franchise for a 1 year rental!
by tafkasam on Oct 12, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This totally
isn’t going to happen.
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by disguy on Oct 12, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sending Jackson to Toronto?
Ouch, talk about payback from the front office for demanding a trade. He would implode in Toronto playing for a team that is worse than the Warriors – they would never take him.
by warriorsvictim on Oct 12, 2009 9:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Right now, the Raptors aren't worse than the Warriors
Not even close.
Granted, Jackson would either be coming off the bench or playing SG and would also be living in Canada, but team quality/regular season success would not exactly be a detraction.
by dprodigy19 on Oct 12, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No guns allowed in canada...
How would that work?
by tafkasam on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a silly trade
Randolph and Biedrins for Bosh? no way should we even think of doing that. I look at Randolph being a more physical version of Bosh and quite a bit younger if im not mistaken. Biedrins isnt the best player but has improved every year and is still young. Bosh isnt gonna guarantee that we make playoffs anyhow and i really doubt we would win a championship.
Amare is done. he has no knees left and doesnt want to come here anyhow. we already have a big man you can hit 18 foot jumpers in miki moore so why get another one(albeit better) in Amare.
lets keep what we have and run with it. this team is looking pretty good this pre-season and will only get better with time. My starting 5 would be Monta, AMMO,Kelenna,Randolph and Beidrins .Jack will hopefully be gone soon and Cory plus Curry will provide some bench scoring.
by roscoe s on Oct 12, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Borrow Bosh for one year?
Really? I guess it gives us capspace..but really?
by saintdee on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on man, we are the Warriors, we luv playing BB without a Center.
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by qin on Oct 12, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it's entertaining but
we will never win with like that
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by dubzero23 on Oct 12, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade
Maggete and Jackson for Bosh. we need beans and Im sure Bosh and Beans will compliment each other. Like Gasol and Bynum. The hell with Maggette
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dris for Bosh?
Why do we want Bosh when we have Rudolf? Seems like Dris is more useful to us than Bosh now?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 12, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Bosh is overrrated and West is more demanding than the East. He may be doing good on Toronto he may not done the same here.
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh > Dris. Period.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Bosh over Andris
But ONLY if he signs an extension
by dprodigy19 on Oct 12, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TRADE JACKSON
I would keep Biedrins and send them Jackson and Wright. They can have any of our expiring contracts as well… Haven’t tried it on the trade machine but yeah….
by HireMeAsGM on Oct 12, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh and maybe send back George for Belinelli!!!
by HireMeAsGM on Oct 12, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much is Bosh worth?
Tiny by Richard L on Oct 4, 2009 10:08 AM PDT Comment 1 comment
Raptors extended Bargnani’s contract to $50 million for 5 years. They signed Hedo at a reported $50 million for 5 years. Calderon is not far behind and several others (Jack, etc.) are at $5 million per year. We may or may not have a salary cap next year but that should not have any bearing on what Bosh will likely get paid. Bosh is a great player but not really a dominant player like Bryant, Duncan, Howard, Wade, etc. We want Bosh to get fair value so how much is Bosh worth? If you look at numbers for the other Raptors and comparable figures for the best player on each team, you can argue that Bosh should get a contract at $100 million for 7 years. How much is BC willing to hand out? Raptors future ticket price increases will likely match these new contract values.
This is according to Raptors HQ. They believe bosh is not a dominant player like everyone thinks. Well even their own fans diss him why would we take the guy. Beans is enough for us
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bosh’s numbers would have to disagree, and his all star appearance. Bosh is built to play in a Don Nelson system, he would be far better here.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree with your conclusion, but you lost me a bit by invoking the dubious “all-star appearances.” In the event of a disagreement between general fan perception and all star appearances, I trust the former nine times out of ten.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 12, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are warrior fans who don't like beans and call him overrated
by mosdl on Oct 12, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt, which is why I specified “general fan perception.” Most Warriors fans appreciate what AB does for the team, I think. I have no idea if Bosh is disliked by the majority of Raps fans or just by a vocal minority on RapsHQ, but if it’s the former I do think it says something … at least something more than the distinction “all-star,” which tends to be based on little more than points per game.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 12, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Bosh is a great player but not really a dominant player”
How are his own fans dissing him by calling him a great player? There are only so few dominant players.
I wouldn’t call Biedrins a dominant player, nor would I call him a great player.
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by Fantasy Junkie on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bosh
Is he good enough to justify going into a season with Turiaf starting at center (with all his fouls), and Miki Moore and Pruitt as your backup bigs (eeehh)
I think not. Biedrins is a great rebounder, and AR is one of the most talented prospects in the league. I would veto this trade.
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by Supafishal on Oct 12, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i made a trade including
maggete and sure did got thru. Without giving up Beans http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzc73fg
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So as Toronto GM you would make that trade?
I’ll trade you my old Adonal Foyle jersey for your season tickets…
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by Supafishal on Oct 12, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they made foyle jerseys?
or is it a Mitchell & Ness throwback?.. i’d give you season tickets to wear it everyday of the year!
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Oct 12, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea it's the throwback
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by Supafishal on Oct 12, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was rockin it at game 6 vs the Mavs, and I like it a lot
but I also still kinda like SJAX, Maggs, and BWright, so I think it is an apt metaphor
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by Supafishal on Oct 12, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats with all the talk of inlcuding Randolph?
Thats ridiculous, blasphemy almost. I would trade Biedrins and Wright for Bosh, or Jackson and Wright if we knew for sure that AR could play the 3. I’m not so sure he can right now, plus I don’t think Bosh makes us a contender. Plus I think Bosh would hinder AR’s development if we still had Biedrins.
by Pearlsofwisdom on Oct 12, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure why everyone keeps throwing Wright into the trade mix. Isn’t he out for most of the season?
by aBulldog on Oct 12, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only do it if it includes Jack and Bosh signs an extension
Otherwise it would be a stupid move.
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by dubzfan on Oct 12, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we would have to throw in a 1st round pick with that as well… but if it gets rid of Jackson, then go for it.
I’m so pissed at him, I’d trade him for some used basketballs that were going to be donated to a youth charity organization. He hurt his value in a trade by speaking out, and I have a feeling that the Warriors are going to suspend him without pay for the whole year… which would make sense, cuz then the owner could pocket the money, right? And that’s all he really seems to care about.
I still like the idea of trading Jackson for Ilgauskas, so we have a legit big man that can compete “physically” with some of the bigger C’s in the league.
by aBulldog on Oct 12, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
compete physically? Have you seen Ilgauskas play lately? he is way too slow to keep up with most centers defensively.
by randolphforpresident on Oct 12, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but jae has already addressed this concern perfectly:
Z’s lumbersome gait is still faster than Jax when Jax is standing at mid court grousing over the call he didn’t get.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 12, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What if we traded Turiaf instead of Beans?
SJAX, Speedy, and Turiaf to Toronto for Bosh.
Worried about rebounds? we keep Beans and Randolph. Worried about scoring and defense? Now we got a great defender and low post threat in Bosh.
Bosh would start at the 4, Randolph could get play time at both backup 4 and backup center.
by FishStix on Oct 12, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure Toronto would be ecstatic about that deal. A bit early for them to be tanking, though, isn’t it?
by ffgolden on Oct 12, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the big problem
We are a talented offensive team. Yes, it would be nice to upgrade our interior scoring ability, but right now that’s not the game changer we need. With Monta and Ammo lights out, and Curry and Randolph developing, plus Biedrins being solid down low (at an amazing fg%), we just don’t need to worry about scoring right now.
So if we trade Beans for Bosh, what happens? We lose a lot of rebounds (not only does Beans average more rpg than bosh, but he keeps a good 4 rebounds alive for his teammates), and don’t improve defensively. If this preseason is any indication of what Benas said he has worked on this offseason, he’s becoming a decent passer, and Bosh is no Steve Nash.
So ultimately, the second-highest scoring team in the league gets an extra 8ppg (probably at the expense of Curry), and no help whatsoever in the categories where it most needs it. And we lose Bosh at the end of the year anyway.
I just don’t see why this makes sense.
by bradyk2 on Oct 12, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
+1
And that’s the bottom line
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by Supafishal on Oct 12, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Plus I see small things every year that make me think that by the time he’s 28, Biedrins will be a 15/10 guy in the league. We don’t need more offensive prowess. Bosh’s impact would really be minimal.
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by the guy on Oct 12, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, for the most part
But just because we score a lot, doesn’t mean we do it efficiently. I expect that more Curry, Monta, Randolph, Morrow and less Jax, Crawfor- will help that a lot, but let’s not go overboard here and say we’re an unstoppable offensive team. Adding Bosh would certainly help, and could push us over the top into the “unstoppable offense” category. I still say don’t do it if it’s not something like this or this. Does Toronto do that? No. We could throw in Wright and I’d be happy. Any of Monta/Randolph/Curry is a no go for me.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I'm with you. I'm going to disagree.
1. We have a talented offensive team yes, but it’s more of a “sum of its parts” kind of effort. Which it needs to be in Nellie ball in order for it to be a success. But we are still neglecting the fact that if we count out Jackson (we might have to for the near future), only Monta and Corey are proven, consistent scorers. Corey is not a legitimate second scoring option. He’s much better as a 3rd, or 6th man. Bosh gives us a great inside out scoring punch. Monta can be the #1A, and Bosh be #1B (perfect world of course).
2. As much as it might hurt defensively, I’m not fearful that the drop in rebounding is the kiss of death to any potential deal. Besides, I would call both Bosh and Biedrins’ individual defensive performances a push. Biedrins is a better rebounder, while Bosh would add a lot to our offense. Some of you think it may hurt AR’s development. I say it wouldn’t. I think it’ll take a lot of pressure off of Anthony’s shoulders. He doesn’t have to be THE MAN, right away at least. Not to mention how much better the rest of the team could fit in around Bosh. If he would go back down low and murder defenses in the lane, there’d be a ton of wide open 3pt shots for Curry, Morrow, Kelenna, etc…
I believe the advantages on offense is much more complex than just adding 8 points a game.
What all this will come down to in the end is entirely up to Bosh, much like it was with Amare. I fully expect to hear the same things come out of Bosh’s mouth (at least in private). Would Bosh be willing to play center? Is he effective there? Can we resign him?
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by kenntoe on Oct 12, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good Points
here are my rebuttals.
In response to 1, we have a team we are basing around Monta, Curry, AR and Beans/whomever we trade for. I have hopes for that team, but let’s be honest: it’s not a championship caliber team until Curry and AR have two more years under their belt, and Monta turns into a true PG.
So, based on that, assume we could be a championship contender in three years, depending on the situation of our center. If we get Bosh now, it’s a 50% chance he doesn’t resign, and we’re left dead in the water at that position. On the contrary, we have Beans in, and let’s be honest – if he continues to develop at the rate he has over the past three years, he will be more than satisfactory at the Center position in three years.
The reality is, we are still growing. Yes, Monta and Corey are the only proven scorers. But we have conceded that AR, Ammo and Curry must be scorers for us in the future – the time has come to take this year to MAKE them proven scorers. Peyton Manning was thrust into the starting role the day he entered the NFL, and he went 3-13 his rookie year.
To address your second point, I disagree that Bosh would open up shots for players. Yes, he scores in the paint, but he’s not a back to the basket player. He is like Troy Murphy (oh boy!) – he would rather catch the ball 20 ft from the hoop and then go to work, either shooting, or driving and eventually posting up. But he lives on the perimeter until he gets the basketball. What this means is a much more congested perimeter for Ammo and Curry, who both make their living moving without the ball (except when curry’s pg).
Two more points:
1) Bosh has been, at times, a crybaby. As much as I have high hopes for this team, there’s a high chance we miss the playoffs. The last thing we need is another playing whining as the season comes to an end. If there’s one thing about this team that we can be sure of, it’s Biedrin’s undying devotion and loyalty.
2) The Warriors, and their fans, seem to have a “if you’re not winning this moment, you’re going backwards” mentality. There is no one player, short of Lebron, Kobe, etc., who could turn this franchise into a championship contender this season. The Dubs seem to feel that if they don’t do fantastically, they have start over. These things take TIME. The Cavs still haven’t won a championship, six years after LeBron. I’m not saying we need to be bad for six years, but seriously…this team has potential, but the players still need to develop. we should be looking at a three year plan….if at the end of the three year plan we’re not a top-4 in the West, then we start over.
p.s. glad my first post was well received. First time i’ve posted in about half a year, i’m glad i’m not completely dumb. :)
by bradyk2 on Oct 12, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome back.
I haven’t heard the Chris Bosh “crybaby” comments. But I imagine if the Warriors FO is willing to put up with Amare, we’d be willing to take on Bosh as well.
In regards to Extra Point 2, well I agree. We want IMMEDIATE gratification for being a team full of suck for so long. Embarrassingly long. Whatever you call it, it needs to go. The last 15 or so years the FO could write an owner’s guidebook on how to successfully drop the value of your franchise. While it may be unrealistic to demand a championship team every year (Laker fans are so spoiled), we should at least expect the team to field a competitive team. A team we all think could win on any given night. In sum: a Playoff team.
I think a lot of people are just sick and tired of waiting for our never-ending revolving door of prospects to develop. You always hear, whether it be from fellow posters or outside media writers say, “They are a young team with the potential to make a difference in 2-3 years”. Well we’ve been saying that for 15 years now. And….we’re still waiting.
I can honestly take or leave Bosh coming to the Bay. It would depend on what we give up, but I just can’t be too mad about any trade where we’re getting the best player back. I just want to see a logical commitment to the pursuit of wins.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
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by kenntoe on Oct 13, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the question is
Do SJax wanna be traded to Raptors. Because if we got Bosh then Raptors is no better than we are. I thought Jax want to be traded on some decent team like the Cavs, Boston, Magic or New York to be with his brother Al. We assume that we got Bosh we still need to trade Sjax some where else. But I dont see him going to Raptors with Rambo, or even want to be in Canada.
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
??
Jack does not have a no trade clause in his contract.. we can send him to minnesota if we wanted.
by saintdee on Oct 12, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Then why dont we They got some decent player. I bet Minnesota will love to have Capt JAck
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe some thing Like this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz5wtb8
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not in a million years Minny would accept that
why would they trade an up and coming young pf for a overrated 31 year old punk who will definitely will be a distraction for them
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by dubzero23 on Oct 12, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
post that over on canis hoopus and see how quickly you get laughed out of the room. that is a terrible deal for the wolves, absolutely awful.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Oct 12, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That deal is roughly equivalent to the Wolves trading Gomes for Jackson + Anthony Randolph. You’re saying you wouldn’t make that deal?
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 12, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it might even be worse than that, because at least in your deal, there’s the benefit of ditching a bad contract.
i think it’d be more like trading buike and randolph for baron davis.
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by cap'n hack on Oct 12, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Minnesota will have to want him. And they sure as hell won’t want him if he’s gonna be as big of a pain in the ass for them as he is for us. With somebody as volatile as Jackson, he essentially has veto power.. unless there’s a team dumb enough to deal for him and “hope for the best”.
by ffgolden on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats my point
If Minnesota wont like him what that make a difference with Raptors. I thought Canadians is peace loving people.
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the only team will take him
Is New York Mike D’ Antoni would love him with his system and plus he get to play with his pal
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by mykelala01 on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph and Morrow are our future
i dont mind the trade rumors as long as their not involved. Randolph is almost 7 feet tall now, has bulked up a bit(will get bigger with age) and has the skills of a 3 and the rebounding and defensive capabilities of a 4. someone earlier said it would could be considered blasphemy to consider or even bring his name up in trade talks and i completely agree. Also, lets say we do get Bosh for Biedrins and a couple other(not named Randolph and Morrow) what makes you think he will re-sign? he is gonna be asking for close to 100 mill from what i have been hearing and unless your name is Lebron or Wade and maybe a few others, your not worth it.
Please sell the team cohan and bring your man rowell with you. i have heard that their is an local investment group that wants to buy the team and are pretty serious about it according to a yahoo article.. that would be sweet!
by roscoe s on Oct 12, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this the best time to make the deal
IMO, actually this the only time the warriors can deal jax and get close to an even deal. Otherwise this deal may be lopsided later in the season.
Jax value is based on his performance from the past and not this up-coming season, so who knows how thats going to go. Something we should of done with Al last season. Everyday that passes after October 28 his value may vastly drop.
It will be better just to bite the bullet asap on this Rowell blunder for the organization then to get rid of a possible cancer
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by gogomaplata on Oct 12, 2009 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree it should be done now...
I’ve never been a fan of trades at the deadline, unless your team is a real contender and you’re looking for that last piece. If you’re like us, the trade should be done asap so the team we’re going to go with can get some chemistry going and at least have a chance to win games.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 12, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about...
Beans/Magg for Bosh;
Jax/Claxton for Damp.
Gives us 28 mill + other expiring contracts to work with for the 2010 FA,
by Kenny Z on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the first one
But since you said bring Damp here I must decline, he is awful.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As awful as he his,
He doesn’t have to play much. Bosh at C with Ronny backing him up. Also, these trades free up time for our younger players to develop.
by Kenny Z on Oct 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atleast we know Larry Riley is really active
by thecity23 on Oct 12, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Larry Riley is pansy and a Don Nelson controlled puppet
Warriors need to trade stephen jackson, a mix of their expiring contracts law, claxton, george, and a future 1st round pick for bosh in a sign and trade deal. I wouldnt trade beidrens for bosh if it means bosh being here only one year. That is just dumb. What would make you think he would want to stay here with the drama that is known as cohen, rowell, and don nelson. I will be honest who wants to play for the warriors considering how bad the management of the whole team is. You have a vice president who thinks he’s a gm, you have a owner who has had a team 10+ yrs w/ only 1 playoff appearance during that span, a backstabbing coach who back stabs his friends (Chris Mullin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..The same guy who got cohan to bring back nelson even though cohan disliked nelson) and his players al harrington and crawford (I dont like either of these players but what normal person or coach treats people the way nelson did) There is no loyality in this team’s management. What kind of player would want to come into that. The Warriors have a history of this. Chris Mullin was changing the losing culture of this team. Assembling a team to reach the playoffs and getting 48 games the next yr and doing more that was done by anyone else the past yrs. Chris Mullin has made mistakes but at least he was able to fix them. Counting the days until Keith Smart is coach.
by Run N Gun Warrior 24 on Oct 12, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put this together quickly
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykv3ue5 – I know it’s crazy but crazier things have happened.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also crazy:
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 12, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 way trade between Cavs, Tor, GSW
I was actually trying to see if something like this was possible. Starting with Beans and Big Z going to Toronto, Bosh to the Bay and Jax to the Cavs. Obviously it’s tough to make it fair for all teams, but I wonder if something can work here.
- Toronto gets a big expiring deal and a young big man
- GSW gets Bosh
- The only question I have is why the Cavs would make this deal. Jax for Big Z doesn’t make sense. They’d need a quality player from either us or the Raps for taking on Jax’s contract.
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by Fantasy Junkie on Oct 12, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
give the cavs turiaf,
so they can get another big man.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Oct 12, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple points...
Toronto is supposedly the Run N’ Gun team from the east, so I’m pretty sure Bosh would be fine in our system.
Bosh isn’t really a “post up guy”. Yes, he can post people up and does it pretty well. However, he also has a good face up game. Criticism of Bosh in the past year or two is that he’s been getting away from his post up game too much, including wandering out to the three point line.
The line-up would probably be Monta, Buike/Morrow/Curry, Buike/Jack, Randolph, Bosh. Right now, Randolph and Biedrins aren’t really complementary players. Neither of them are solid on offense, though Randolph looks like he’s gotten a lot better. Bosh and Randolph would be explosive on offense, and probably better than you think on defense. The sad thing is, Biedrins is realistically better on defense than Bosh, but they probably average out when you consider how much the refs will favor Bosh compared to the treatment Biedrins gets.
This deal probably comes downs to the second tier of the discussion since I think both teams would be fine with the Biedrins/Bosh swap. The problem is, will the Raptors consider taking Jack/Maggs when they have Hedo/DeRozan. It would make me a bit sad to see Jack/Maggs go there to play SG, where once again they will suck up all of Belinelli’s playing time.
On another note, a hilarious but highly unrealistic trade would be Biedrins/Jack/Maggs for Bosh/Banks/Douby. The Raptors would then be the team with a billion wing players that demand minutes… It also decreses both teams win totals by 2.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 12, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL... I didn't do this...
Beyond Golden State of Design... and than some!
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by Tony.psd on Oct 12, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Still wouldn't make the playoffs
However, this could put us a step closer to the playoffs.
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by Yoyo on Oct 12, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting to say the least....
I would do it for the simple fact of clearing some contracts. If we were able to give away Maggs and Beidrins we would clear enough contracts to sign Bosh. If he is indeed as good as he was last year. From what his number say and what I saw of him, Bosh seems better than Beidrins.
Offensively we would have that player that would draw more attention and open up the floor for our spot up shooters. I would have to say that that alone could mean great things for this team.
Other positives you have to look at is one of two things: Get rid of Maggs contract, or get rid of a toxic SJAX. Either one might be worth the year rental of Bosh. I think Jax might close his mouth and play if Bosh lands here though.
by shooter1525 on Oct 12, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And I want to state
I like Beidrins a lot, and for the most part I like Maggs game (but the contract sucks). Jax frustrates the hell out of me with his turnovers and crazy shot selection.
by shooter1525 on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bout some expiring + beans + wright for Bosh
We keep Jack, he will do better once we have Bosh. Jax wanted a big name player, lets give it to him.
Ellis
Morrow/Curry/Buki
Jackson
Randolph
Bosh
I think that would definitely be a playoff caliber team. Nellie ball is MADE to have a player like Bosh at the center position.
I cannot understand how people are against bringing an All-Star to the bay. Too many people on this site are blinded by ‘talent’ and inflated numbers. This trade would HELP us (assuming Bosh signs an extension before the trade).
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
who is Jax to be giving demands anyway?
get rid of him… honestly, we were probably one of the few teams wiling to give him a chance at the time. And now he is making trade demands! IMO, He isnt a top 20 player! Id rather have him suffer in toronto!
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by gogomaplata on Oct 12, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His demand was legitimate, and our fans should be making the same demands.
MAKE A MOVE FOR A PLAYER THAT CAN MAKE AN IMPACT.
I’m with Jack on that one, although I am totally against how he has been conducting himself.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i could care less who we trade Jack for...
we got some talent at his position if were to leave. honestly, id rather have him suffer on a team located in Canada. nothing against Canada. aye
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by gogomaplata on Oct 12, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be a miracle if we could dump that contract!
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by gogomaplata on Oct 12, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his demands are not legitimate
because he is not doing it the right way. Crying to be traded does not fix teams. SPEAKING OUT AGAINST ROWELL would.
If you think Jackson is helping the team then i ask… did the Harrington trade last year help the team?
We need a player to utterly name Rowell as the reason for failure not dance around the issue.
What Jackson is doing is killing the franchise for years to come.
by saintdee on Oct 12, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cohan is killing the franchise.
Look to the top first, then look down. Jack is just a scape goat. He’s as frustrated as we are with the incompitnce of this organization. COHAN SELL NOW!
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See my post in the "Trading Jack" post from onlxn
Cohan may be the problem, but Jax is far, far from a scapegoat. He’s a profiteer, a joke, and extremely childish. Stop defending him. You can hate Cohan all you want, but don’t let that taint your view of the reality that is Jax’ preposterous behavior and attitude.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
TRUST me, I hate what Jackson is doing. He is completely wrong in the way he is handling the situation. But my hate and disgust for the way the franchise has handled itself overshadows Jacksons lack of professionalism.
I do not doubt that the Warriors franchise promised Jack a big name to come (Amare/Bosh) to help round out the team. That is why I am just trying to say that Jackson wouldn’t be too bad to have around if we did end up getting someone like Bosh. As stupid as Jackson is, he is an excellent SF for Nellie system when he is the 4th/5th option on the offensive end. With this lineup:
Ellis
Morrow/Buki/Curry
Jackson
Randolph
Bosh
Jackson would be the 4th/5th option on the offensive end. As long as we get a someone to hypnotize him in order to not argue with Ref’s, he is an excellent player to have on the defensive end. I think if we had someone like Bosh, it would HELP our chances SIGNIFICANTLY for a playoff run, help make people focus on our team on being a top teir team rather than just a growing team and bring some much needed recognition to the team (which would help our players focus and be confident).
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot understand how people are against bringing an All-Star to the bay.
Sigh. Maybe because some of them are more interested in increasing the team’s win total than in whether or not their players have won popularity contests? Allen Iverson is an All-Star too — maybe we should we trade Monta, Morrow, and Randolph for him?
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 12, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1,
I thought about this all day, and I would take just about any trade that did not include Ammo, Randolph, Ellis, and Curry, and did include Jackson. Not sure if Riley/Nelson could pull that off, but I think I am on board with any trade fitting those parameters.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Oct 12, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I would trade Biedrins and Turiaf, but beyond that I think I’m on board with your parameters. Biedrins+Jack for Bosh+PO’B works salary-wise … let the PO’B Back to the Bay movement begin!
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 12, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack would hate Toronto. There’s no way Jack would go quietly, which probably mean there’s now way Toronto would consider it. Of course, I seriously doubt that they would even consider it even if Jackson were O.K. with it.
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by Naticus2 on Oct 12, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 12, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This whole thing makes me nervous. If I were Toronto, the deal would not only have to avoid picking up Maggs or Jax, as their contracts are garbage, but I would have to get Randolph, Morrow, Monta or Curry on top of Biedrins. I would not be asking for Wright, obviously, because he’s injured. I would probably also ask for a first round draft pick. So how do we make this work?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjm2wsx
Maybe?? I would not want to offer more than this. They get their prize, Biedrins whom we know they covet. We know they want him, but they can’t pick up garbage like expirings nor Maggs nor Jax. If they ask for more than this trade +first round draft pick, I say no way. (One of the reasons I don’t think it’s too bad is because Wright will be back next year and can fill the void when/if Bosh leaves). If we can make this trade or something like it, yeah, let’s do it.
They might consider this, too:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhytbjq
Plus we get a first round draft pick. If I were them, I’d take this.
Our lineup:
Curry or Monta/CJ/Law
Azubuike or Jackson/Morrow
Jackson or Maggette/Morrow or DeRozan
Turiaf/Randolph
Bosh/Randolph
Bosh leaves, Wright returns to play backup PF and backup C. I think we’d be a’right. Crazy. I feel real uncomfortable with this. I hope Riley is brave and the Raptors are feeling at least somewhat generous.
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by Naticus2 on Oct 12, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn’t include Curry in the Amare deal, what makes you think Nelson would include him for Bosh now?
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by kenntoe on Oct 12, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amar’e is more injury prone and we were also giving up Brandan Wright. Giving up Curry, Azu and Biedrins isn’t as bad as Curry, Wright and Biedrins, IMO. Don’t know if Nelson would do it, but it is a different deal for a different guy who isn’t only worried about his own stats.
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by Naticus2 on Oct 13, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if I would do that if an extension were in place. I certainly wouldn’t do it if I thought there was a chance it’d be a 1 year rental. Biedrins is better than that, Curry is developing nicely at a position of need, and Azubukie is inexpensive insurance for Magette and Captain Tantrum at the very least. There is too much value in what you are offering for Bosh unless you know he is going to be a long term upgrade over Biedrins. Beans and Jackson for Bosh is a no-brainer for the Warriors even without an extension in place because it dumps Jackson’s bad deal. I’d be ok with Biedrins and Magette for Bosh as well, though it’d mean we’d still need to find a taker for Jackson*. I’d even throw in a pick or two and whatever junk expiring contracts Toronto wants. But you can’t give up too much for Bosh unless you know you can keep him and keep him happy.
- - I know Jackson is likely to be much reformed if the team gets Bosh, as he will view him as a massive upgrade over Biedrins (which isn’t true and is part of the reason I’m unhappy with Jackson,) but I’m fairly certain that the time is past for that kind of a reconciliation to last. Too many bridges have been burned.
by toddaverth on Oct 13, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 way trade: DAL-TOR-GSW
DAL gets Jackson + Turiaf + Law
TOR gets Howard + Biedrins
GSW gets Bosh + O’bryant + Beaubois
*only if Bosh extends his contract
DAL
PG Kidd – Barrea
SG Jackson – Terry
SF Marion
PF Dirk – Gooden
C Dampier – Turiaf
TOR
PG Calderon – Jack
SG Howard
SF Hedo – Derozan
PF Barganani – Evans
C Biedrins
GSW
PG Ellis – Curry
SG Morrow
SF Azubuike – Maggette
PF Randolph – Wright
C Biedrins – Moore
by gambinofam on Oct 12, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean..
PG Ellis
SG Morrow
SF Azubuike
PF Randolph
C Bosh
by gambinofam on Oct 12, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C Bosh
I doubt that Bosh could be as good a center as Dre? Bosh is a stickman like Rudolf, we’d just have two then.If we’re gonna trade Dre it should be for someone like Oden.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 12, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh is a better version of Amare. Amare’s best years were at the center when they made it to the finals. Under Nellie, Bosh would be a great center.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh would be a great center.
for the one year he was here, maybe he would
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Oct 12, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One year? Signing him is contingent on him signing an extension. Same thing was with the Amare deal, as said by the warriors FO. They were trying to work out a deal with Amare before trade talks fell through.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh has said that he will not accept any type of extension
and that he wishes to try free agency next summer. Not sure why a trade to Golden State would change his mind.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Oct 12, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh is a PF
If anything, I think Tor would consider a Biedrins-for-Bosh trade because it allows Bargs to play his more natural position at PF. Jax might be a fit if he’s willing to back up Hedo, but all they’ve got at the C spot is POB and Bieds would be a good fit for them, besides the fact that he’s euro….
by DomoKun on Oct 12, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
by gswarriors925 on Oct 12, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We wish :P. That’s not going to happen.
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by Naticus2 on Oct 12, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would already be agreed to by the Warriors, and Nelson about a 100x over.
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by kenntoe on Oct 12, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you have a chance to get Chris Bosh... you GET Chris Bosh
Chris Bosh is a superstar No doubt about it. At one point last year, he was in the MVP discussion.
Maybe he doesn’t rebound as well as Biedrins, and just adds a lot of offense to the team, but his post-moves are so much more unpredictable compared to Beans. Remember, Beans’ contract is really up there as well. Sure, we don’t gain defense, but we CANNOT DEFEND. Even adding Ron Artest or a Bruce Bowen to the team doesn’t instantly fix our defensive problems. We are who we are… an offensive team that tries to outscore the other team out of the building. Sure, no one’s ever won it this way, but we must continue to establish our team identity rather than change it entirely.
I would do Bosh for Biedrins, Jackson and cap relief players (Acie Law, Speedy Claxton, etc.) in a HEARTBEAT.
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by RayAlmeda on Oct 12, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
People need to get it through to their head that looking blindly and hoping that our “young talent” will make us into a legit team in the west, is plainly wrong. Every team that’s in the top 3 in the west has a superstar. We need a superstar. Maybe we can make the playoffs with what we have, but our limit is there. If we get a superstar, our limit is far far higher.
I’m totally with you, +1!
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are who we are… an offensive team that tries to outscore the other team out of the building.
That’s really more who we were. We were BD, JRich, Monta, TMNT, Jax, Barnes, Pietrus, Biedrins (notice how just one of those guys is over 6’9"?). Outscoring the other team was the only option because we had nobody but Biedrins down low, and defenders on the perimeter who were inconsistent at best. Remember how Pietrus played down low? Remeber how Maggette played down low for a good part of last year?
Now, though, we’ve got 3-4 big guys who are actually competent. They may not be the best, but we won’t be nearly as defenseless down low. Biedrins doesn’t have to provide all the help defense when guards come down the lane, there’ll be another big in there for much of the game who may sometimes be in better position, is a second plus rebounder when one has to contest a shot, etc. Plus, we don’t have Jamal “Ole!” Crawfor- out there anymore this year. We ARE Monta, Curry, Morrow, Buike, Jax (maybe), Maggette, Biedrins, Randolph, Turiaf (with Wright coming back… eventually). Three of those guys are very competent down low. Newsflash, we are not the same team as we were two years ago.
We WERE a team who couldn’t defend the paint if they tried. We ARE a team that has a chance at being marginally competent.
Now, as for whether or not Bosh would help. I’m lukewarm, if he signs an extension, and horrified if they make this trade without one. He would command a lot of attention from the defense, and would significantly upgrade the offensive side of the ball. I don’t think the hit on defense will be that bad, and if we can get him for Jax & Biedrins, I’ll be doing backflips… even if we have to take back a Marcus Williams too (with or without Williams, the money works out without adding any other contracts). If we start having to throw in draft picks and major young pieces like Curry or Randolph, I’m not doing it.
Bosh does not make us a contender right now, we’re still one move or one internally developed star away from that. If we knew Randolph was the real deal and was going to blow up this year, I maybe roll the dice and throw in Curry, knowing that Monta/Jax/Buike/Randolph/Bosh with Maggs/Turiaf/Morrow/CJ off the bench is a scary lineup (this is of course, assuming that Randolph has a 15 footer himself, rebounds and blocks shots at his current per36 rates, and improves his man-man defense). Maybe this becomes more attractive once the season starts and we see where things stand, but right now, you don’t mortgage pieces of the future unless you know it’s going to be rosy without those pieces. It’d be stupid to send out possibly important pieces knowing that adding Bosh is only going to get us a 4-6 seed for a few years before the wheels fall off because we’ve got nobody developing to become good or become a valuable trade piece.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams don’t get better with age. Superstars make them better.
then don’t look to chris bosh to solve your problems. he’s a very good player, but if he’s the best player on your team, you don’t have a contender. considering the money he’s going to get in free agency next summer, he’s not worth it.
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by cap'n hack on Oct 12, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oops, supposed to be a reply to ray.
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by cap'n hack on Oct 12, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s one of the top 10 players in the league. Who else are you expecting to get? He is easily one of the top 3PF/C in the west.
I don’t understand? Are we ever going to be able to get a top 5 player? (Cp3, wade, lbj, superman, etc)? NO. Bosh is the highest tier we can expect to ever get and we should jump at any opportunity to get him.
I don’t understand how getting a player that is better than anyone on our team, could hurt us….especially considering we are not a perennially contending team and have not been in mannnnnnny years.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto hasn’t gone very far with Bosh, so by your logic he can’t really be a superstar.
Bosh for Biedrins is an interesting proposal. If we get an extension from Bosh it probably is an upgrade, but not nearly as much of an upgrade as you make it out to be. As others have said, whether it is a good deal depends on who else gets thrown in.
by toddaverth on Oct 12, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s because his supporting cast sucks.
We have Ellis/AR/Jack/Curry/Buki/Morrow
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we won’t have that supporting cast if we get him. We’re talking about Bosh for Biedrins and pieces, not Bosh for Biedrins. toddaverth just reiterated that huge part of this deal. Don’t assume the supporting cast will be as good if we bring him in.
They’ll need more than biedrins to make this deal and if they do, we’ll have to sign Bosh to a max deal to keep him, so basically, we have a one year Bosh rental or a stupid max contract for a very good player who doesn’t deserve max money.
And i would quibble with your distinction of him as a top 10 NBA player. He’s clearly behind LeBron, Wade, Howard, CP3, and Kobe. I’d call him worse than Gasol, Roy, Nowitzki, and Pierce. You can also make arguments for Rondo, Billups, Williams, Parker, Manu, KG, Duncan, etc. I have a hard time calling him one of the 10 best players in the league. He’s probably close to that, but he’s not worth the money he’s going to make in free agency in 2010.
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by cap'n hack on Oct 12, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does not make contender, do not press "accept".
At some point, you have to pull the trigger and hope for the best. But, for a guy like Bosh who is going to command full price immediately following the trade, that’s a non-starter unless you already have all your pieces in place. We may be getting a talent bargain, but unless Cohan is going to go over (waaaaay over) the salary cap, we can’t give up two underpaid guys (yes, Biedrins is underpaid and we’d have to throw in another valuable underpaid guy like Randolph, Curry, or Turiaf) for one overpaid guy and expect to compete.
Something like Biedrins/Turiaf/Jax for Bosh/Banks and turning around and giving Bosh a raise is really the best you’re going to get Toronto to accept (and they probably would only accept that if they’re not getting any traction with anyone else). And for the Warriors, three major rotation players for one guy who isn’t an all-world talent? No thanks. This is what we’d look like you’d have:
Monta/Curry/CJ/Acie/Claxton
Morrow/Monta
Buike/Maggs
Randolph/Wright(injured)
Bosh/Moore
Say hello to zero depth and not that great of a team. Straight to limboland with two overpaid veterans (Maggs/Bosh) and a bunch of young guys who’re good and promising, but not quality yet. This year, they make the playoffs if everyone’s healthy (everyone, there’s no room for injury, especially now that Wright’s gone down), but even if they make it, they’re lucky if they play more than 6 games once they get there.
For the future, you’re basically banking on Morrow turning into a quality starting SG, and Randolph being a stud. Your expiring contracts get eaten up by the max contract you’re going to give Bosh, so your only trade piece is Monta or Curry by themselves or with Maggs. You might draft a guy, but we’ve already traded away one of our near term draft picks, and this team isn’t getting a good set of lotto balls. They’re not adding much talent through the draft unless something really wacky happens. Bottom line: You’re looking at a #6 seed for a few years, then another rebuilding period. Woo!!!
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How many pieces do we really have? Not many that would get in the way of a deal for Bosh. We have a ton of expiring’s we can give away + Maggs/Jack/Moore/Wright/Watson
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh is the highest tier we can expect to ever get and we should jump at any opportunity to get him.
By that line of thought, second round of the playoffs is the best we can ever expect to get, so we should jump at the opportunity.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is getting a top 10 player in the league only have a second round implied? Also we’ll still have Ellis/AR.
Once Ellison takes over the salary cap will mean nothing and we can go way into the tax.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 12, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s one of the top 10 players in the league.
maybe If you have a huge list of top ten players.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 13, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprised!
I’m used to reading post about all of Biedrins flaws and here we are defending his impact on the current team.
As far as the trade possibility, I like it based on two conditions:
1) Who are we including?
2)Is Bosh going to sign with us.
Like most others, I don’t want to ship Biedrins for a one year rental on a team that is not currently built for a world title even with the addition of Bosh.
I do have to say that if we are not giving up more than Biedrins and a couple of expirings, plus Bosh is willing to sign an extension, we do get better as a team and get a better player in return.
by ajtrinc on Oct 12, 2009 10:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Biedrins or Bosh
No matter how good is Bosh. Even LeBron wouldn’t be the factor. These are not the pals, who may define the victorious Warriors.
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by Pokoloko on Oct 13, 2009 1:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tonights game
Illustrated how good Biedrins is. His first half was great, grabbing what seemed to be every rebound, making at least one sweet pass, playing effective defense, and generally doing the little things that let the rest of the Warriors rack up some very pretty stat lines. His second half stat line was marred by Baron picking Ellis’ pocket (or mugging him, depending on your view of things) and going on a tear, but it’s hard to blame Biedrins for Ellis’ learning experiences.
The second half showed that the Warriors have too few healthy big men right now (and Ellis still has some growing to do as a primary ball handler,) but, to me, that only highlighted Biedrins excellent play earlier in the game.
by toddaverth on Oct 13, 2009 1:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What's the 'much more' content?
It would be an OK trade if none of the above are included on the pckg:
- Monta
- Curry
- Randolph
- Turiaf
- Morrow
- Azubuike
- Wright
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by Gaucho! on Oct 13, 2009 6:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
at least one of those guys would almost certainly have to be in the trade. no way toronto trades bosh for biedrins and garbage.
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by cap'n hack on Oct 13, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade?
Stephen jackson doesn’t want to be here anyway so…
Andris Biedrins
Stephen Jackson
Maybe 2nd or 3rd round pick?
FOR
Chris Bosh
Someone else/pick?
by nhlogan on Oct 13, 2009 1:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
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