Stephen Jackson - O Captain, My Captain No More
by R Dizzle on Oct 13, 2009 8:23 PM PDT
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This is too far for even me.
Linkage:
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Stephen Jackson gives up Warriors' captaincy (Thanks to IQofaWarrior for the FanPost)
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Stephen "Captain Technical" Jackson- 2 technical fouls in 3 PRESEASON games?
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RUMOR: Stephen Jackson for Zydrunas Ilgauskas ($11.5 million expiring)
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Warriors Head Coach Don Nelson Speaks Before Training Camp 2009
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Warriors President Robert Rowell and GM Larry Riley Exclusive Evening with Season Ticket Holders
Read the Walt Whitman again
O Captain my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
The ship has weathered every rack, the prize we sought is won,
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up--for you the flag is flung for you the bugle trills,
For you bouquets and ribboned wreaths for you the shores a-crowding,
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head!
It is some dream that on the deck,
You've fallen cold and dead.
My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still;
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;
The ship is anchored safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;
From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
But I, with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
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Ok who said no?
Do you honestly think that Stephen Jackson is going to turn his act around? If it’s possible, trade him to the D league.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Oct 13, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lurkers
They probably voted for that option.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 13, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lurkers Criminals
XD
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 14, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
flunkster dudes....
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Oct 14, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his behavior
is all an act in part of creating enough friction so that he may get his wish… once he is on another team, his attitude will do a 180 degrees.
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Oct 13, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
commonly known as the T.O. syndrome
by crab dribble cocktail on Oct 13, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like TO, attitude adjustment only last a couple years until his criminal mind kicks in
by dub.man on Oct 14, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
commonly known as jacksonian … he did the same thing coming here from Indy …
by hardcore on Oct 14, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...the comment that previously known "Capn Jack," just made, lol, they remind me of the "crazy talk" that comes out of Artest's mouth...
…I particularly liked the part about him being “mad at my momma if she took 100,000 grand from me too,”…
…he’s gotta go, albeit, its sad that someone with so little character can basically get whatever he wants…
by irish3 on Oct 13, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Since it looks like he's leaving anyway
I hope the Warriors bundle this guy with A.B. and trade him for Stoudemire. They got nothing for Richardson and Baron, they need to at least get something for Jackson.
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by ZombieMonta on Oct 13, 2009 9:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They got nothing for Richardson
Sigh.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 13, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They got nothing for Richardson
They got a pile of feathers.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 13, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see us trade him to the Kings….that’ll teach him…
by Badly Browned on Oct 13, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Only if we could trade him to a Russian team… that’ll definitely teach him..
by dub.man on Oct 14, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're going to try to trade him
No need to put up pictures of some racist white dude from Utah showing that rude picture. If you’d like to express your anger towards him, do it. But that idiot putting that picture in front of him isn’t doing it for the reasons you are. You are rightfully upset, and it’s justifiable (I’m not defending Jack), but I’m condoning that guy and using that picture.
That guy is a freaking RACIST. Sorry, that’s how I feel and I’m sure there are others who agree with me that don’t come on this website.
Judge: "In the case of 3 month old Tracie Taylor, we find that Dirk Nowitzki .... IS the father!"
Dirk [in Hassellhoff accent]: "That baby don't look like me!"
by AR4 on Oct 13, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"racist? shuttup, you're a moron, jack needs to go, stop defending him! yadayadayada!"
predicting the responses lol
Judge: "In the case of 3 month old Tracie Taylor, we find that Dirk Nowitzki .... IS the father!"
Dirk [in Hassellhoff accent]: "That baby don't look like me!"
by AR4 on Oct 13, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You?
arguing with yourself?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 13, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Fear is the Mind Killer
by dubzero23 on Oct 24, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would he be willing to take a pay cut, to be on a championship calliber team?
by LuvDubs on Oct 13, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind trading Jackson for a team mascot..
Gosh knows we need it.
Maybe get Thunder back? Seriously. What team is going to want him now that he acts this way towards the team that gave him respect, love, admiration, etc. etc.?
He should walk the walk and actually take responsibility…but of course, anything goes with Jack.
I have a feeling his teammates are just being civil with him, probably can’t wait to get rid of this guy. This kind of drama cannot be a good for a young team such as the Warriors.
Get rid of him please.
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by girltothemax on Oct 13, 2009 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Our mascot should be a spartan
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Oct 13, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately, another team will probably pick him up- they know it’s just an act. Jack’s deal is he puts in the effort until it benefits him to do the opposite. I see it more as an unfortunate effect of guaranteed contracts and trading and so forth: in that context, Jack’s childish behavior is completely rational. What results from this rationality is the sad and hilarious display of Jack repeatedly taking the ball into traffic and shooting 1-on-5.
What made the first quarter of the LA game sad and hilarious, and not just frustrating, was Jackson’s complete lack of game. If it had been Iverson or Arenas or Kobe deciding to go Rambo, it would have at least made for some entertaining streetball. But Jack has less handle than the 3rd string high school point guard. Dribbling off his foot, getting stripped, getting stuffed… I feel bad for you son.
An empty barrel makes the most noise.
by antihero on Oct 13, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for you son.
The warriors have 99 problems and Jack is one
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Oct 13, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok well..if..
they know it’s just an act.
If a team is dumb enough to agree to acquire Jackson just because they think he’s just “acting” to get what he wants, then they probably deserve him. What would make them think that he won’t do the same thing to them?
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by girltothemax on Oct 14, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shhhhhhh....
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 14, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um and also...
change of topic.
Where is the Kelenna Azubuike recap and preview?
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by girltothemax on Oct 13, 2009 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Forget about Jack for a second to consider...
that the grass is green all around you.
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/10/13/1084432/forget-about-jack-for-a-minute-and
by NaturalBornBaller on Oct 13, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you, that was nice
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Oct 14, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha nice
The probability that you just read my signature: 1
by girltothemax on Oct 14, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might have to steal this pic
hilarious
by tafkasam on Oct 14, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote "no" on the poem.
Seriously!
by Jeremy Belvins on Oct 14, 2009 12:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to get rid of him....
but lets not send a precedence that the way you get your way is to conduct yourself on and off the court with little to no class.
Really, if the Players Assoc. wouldn’t put up such a protest against it, we should be able to void his contract. Why pay him anything for this season if he can’t conduct himself as a professional. Really, he wants the best of both worlds, the contract we gave him, and playing for a championship caliber team. Time for the FO to step up and set a new standard of conduct in airing your differences with the team.
by ajtrinc on Oct 14, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we should be able to void his contract.
That is not going to happen. Even if he flat out refuses to play and essentially ‘retires’, while he won’t get paid, the salary he would have been paid still counts against the team’s cap and tax figures.
There are only two reasonably plausible ways to get rid of his contract: trade him, which is difficult, or get him to agree to a buyout where he’ll still count something against the tax, but it might not be as much. The buyout is difficult as well as it requires him agreeing to it. He hasn’t been the most agreeable character recently.
by jae on Oct 14, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That’s why I said the Players Assoc would never let something like that happen.
It is sad that teams are held hostage to this type of player behavior. It just shows how far removed professional sports is from the real world. Even a fry cook at Burger King can’t under perform, throw a tantrum and demand a trade to Jack-in-the-Box.
The reason why I bring up the idea of voiding his contract is that he did just sign the extension last year, when at least I consider, we were in worse shape than we currently are.
But again, this will never happen in the NBA.
by ajtrinc on Oct 14, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets not send a precedence
that precedent has already been set, over and over and over all around the league …
by hardcore on Oct 14, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not be a team to break that precedent?
Why does the franchise and we as fans have to suffer by trading Jackson for a few scrubs. I for one, would have more respect for the FO if they made a stand and only traded Jackson if it was mutually beneficial for the franchise.
by ajtrinc on Oct 14, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he has us by the shorthairs & he knows it, the FO knows it, and there’s nothing good that comes of throwing him in house arrest and throwing away the key … don’t get me wrong, I agree with your sentiment but the practical reality is we’d be shooting ourselves in the foot doing so …
by hardcore on Oct 14, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably right
It probably would be better to be rid of his contract if it means we get a few scrubs that come off the books in a year or two instead of paying Jackson to sit at home. His contract would hinder us maybe not this season but definatley next.
I still wouldn’t be hasty and trade him for the first offer that comes along. Wait and hope someone sees value in him and try to maxamize what we get back for him. We’ve got till Feb.
by ajtrinc on Oct 14, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just been “looking around” – only a couple unlikely suitors popped up (posting those on the trade thread) … what we might do is sit tight and hope the injury bug hits another club that might take a long shot on an over priced vet … but i’d take the first possible trade that comes that I could stomach because there’s no guarantee there’s gonna be a second in line …
by hardcore on Oct 14, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It Looks Like
Captain Jack has turned into Major A$$hole. This joke would’ve been better if Major ranked lower than Captain, but I had to put in the Spaceballs reference. We definitely know the answer to my post from last summer:
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2008/8/7/588625/stephen-jackson-key-contri
The majority of the posts were pro-Jackson, including myself. What a difference a year makes!!
by SuperFly on Oct 14, 2009 3:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You bring up a good point
Demote him to honorary private.
by BlueInTheFace on Oct 14, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This episode with Jack is just one event in the 15 year chain of alienation that is the Cohan/Rowell Warriors. For our purposes, I would go back to the the JRICH trade as the beginning of the end of this episode. That trade proved to Baron that the Warriors were concerned more with money and would not remain loyal to the guys who got them to the playoffs. Couple that with the Baron/Nellie feud over his not coming to play in the last game of the season in ‘08, and Baron was all but gone. Concomitantly, Al Harrington had his falling out with Nellie because he refused to be a power forward when that’s what we needed (I still blame Al for that). Al and Jack are good friends and his departure, along with Baron’s, caused Jack to no longer view the Warriors as a team he was motivated to play for, simply a team he was motivated to collect a paycheck from.
The saddest thing about all of this is that at the heart of the matter, Jack is right. The Warriors assembled the most exciting team in basketball, a team that with the addition of say, Anthony Randolph, could have competed in the playoffs for a nice 3-4 year stretch. And then they blew it up.
The “Warrior Fan” in me (read: irrational optimist) wants to believe that Jack actually has some idea of what he is doing here. Is it possible that he has orchestrated this thing, choosing to go off on Kobe the same way Artest did in order to make himself more attractive to a contender looking to add attitude and toughness? This seems highly unlikely, but we need to hold out hope because it is our only chance of unloading him and getting anything of value in return.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Oct 14, 2009 7:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you think so?
For me jrich trade always made sense. We had a clutter of swings on high salary, and lacked ANY bigs (at the time). Trading for a highly touted bwright made sense
by tafkasam on Oct 14, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. The principal “loyalty” a team has is to its fans. I don’t have any love for the current ownership, but I thought the decisions (a) to trade JRich and (b) not to re-up Baron were correct, wise, and forward-looking. And I know I’m not the only Warriors fan who feels this way.
2. It was a minor miracle that Randolph dropped to as #14, and a minor miracle that he’s blowing up the way he is. If you believe that the ‘07/08 team would have been better with JRich than without, you also have to believe they’d have picked up a couple games in the standings with him, thereby scuttling their shot at a first round “slider” like Randolph. In any case, it’s a bit dishonest just to put Randolph on a “best case hypothetical” team with Baron, JRich et al.
3. At the heart of the matter, Jack is being a whiny, petulant, self-serving jerk. Any “rightness” in his words or actions is purely coincidental.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 14, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to re-up Baron were correct, wise, and forward-looking?
Haha, maybe forward looking as in planning to make love with that new girl down the block at 9:30 next tuesday instead of enjoying the hot babe with you right now.
Sports is all about the passion, you gotta seize the moment, you don’t tear up a winning team to take a chance on next tuesday .
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 14, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to re-up Baron was wise and correct,
however it what we did next was ridicuolsy unwise(Maggette, Jax extension, Harrington trade). If the choise was that or resigning Baron or that debacle, I would of brought Baron back. But the smartest desision would of been to let Baron walk and hang on to Jack and Harrington till this season and either let them expire or move them in a beneficial trade.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Oct 14, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 14, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, maybe forward looking as in planning to make love with that new girl down the block at 9:30 next tuesday instead of enjoying the hot babe with you right now.
No, Captain Analogy: forward-looking as in not drinking and driving on your date with the hot babe, and wearing a seatbelt, and packing “protection” for later on. ;-)
Sports is all about the passion, you gotta seize the moment, you don’t tear up a winning team to take a chance on next tuesday .
That’s what you don’t do. A lot of people on this board do it. And more importantly: the Warriors did it. Sucks for you. Now go cry in your Pilsner. :,-(
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 14, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have any love for the current ownership, but I thought the decisions (a) to trade JRich and (b) not to re-up Baron were correct, wise, and forward-looking. And I know I’m not the only Warriors fan who feels this way.
I also felt that the decisions they made at the time were right regarding JRich and Baron. I felt that the team was young and had a lot of potential, not to mention we had a good salary cap situation. But then, the inept front office of course, screws it up by signing Maggette for WAY more that his worth AND gives Jack that premature extension. I would have been happy watching the youngsters play last year and get 20-25 wins, gain valuable experience, another high draft pick, and sign a big time free agent in the 2010 free agency period. I really feel that some on here could run this franchise better than Rowell. How the hell did he get his job? And how the hell has he kept it so long? Oh well…
by SuperStarAR on Oct 14, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Simple Jack
Instead of calling him “Captain Jack”… how about Simple Jack. or “bun dan” Jack? (from tropic thunder)
by bok on Oct 14, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How bout Jack-A$*
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Oct 14, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Marbury him
I’d rather just send him home and pay him, not give him the satisfaction of being able to play basketball in the NBA for the next three years. We’ll prolly just get crap in return if trade him and even if we do get something good, nelson/riely/rowell/cohan will probably just mess it up anyways… (cant help but be pessimistic)
by vdozens on Oct 14, 2009 11:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
4 years,
the extension doesnt kick into the next off season.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Oct 14, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take on Jackson
I’ve been reading a few comments where people are defending Jackson’s actions by pointing out that he’s right to not want to play for a losing franchise that makes decisions he doesn’t agree with. But Jackson still gets paid an eight-figure yearly salary by that losing franchise to play a child’s game. He should feel loyalty for that reason and that reason alone. I mean, really, cashing those huge freaking checks each month isn’t enough? He doesn’t have to like what management does. It’s not his concern.
He’s not a superstar, game-changing, face-of-a-franchise type player. Feel however you want about the rest of his game, it doesn’t make up for the fact that he simply shoots too many shots and makes too few, while turning the ball over almost as often as he creates scoring opportunities for others. It’s not like he’s LeBron or D-Wade, and the FO should be making their decisions based on what’s going to keep him around and happy. He is on the tier of players who SHOULD keep their mouths shut, play hard, and be happy they are blessed with the ability and opportunity to play professional sports, and in Jackson’s case, paid far above their talent-level.
He talks and talks and talks about what a professional he is, yet refuses to act like it by simply showing up to work, keeping his mouth shut, and doing what is necessary to help his team win. But his true colors are showing, and based on how I’ve felt every time I watch him play, I don’t think he has played truly team-oriented basketball since he has been with the Warriors.
Don’t look at me to get you going. Don’t look at me to get the team going. I think everybody is responsible for themselves, and that’s how it should be."
It is obvious by this quote that he has felt this way the entire time. He has never been interested in elevating the play of his teammates. He has always seemed to think that him helping the team win was by shooting as much as possible. His defenders always point to his stats, but the truth is that Jackson plays 40 minutes per night on a team who’s style of play creates a ton of possessions for both teams in a game, with an attitude that he’s going to get his. Simply put, his stats are inflated.
Jackson is a loser. He thinks he’s a winner because he rode Duncan’s coattails to a title once, but in his real time to shine as a vital cog for a playoff team, he choked. Say what you will about the job he did guarding Dirk against the Mavericks (and don’t forget that he was constantly helped with a double-team) but he shot the ball inconsistently even in that series. Against the Jazz, he was flat-out atrocious. In the 4 losses to the Jazz, Jackson shot 26.5%. from the floor and 23.3% from the 3-point line. Not that it kept him from shooting, of course. He averaged 16 FGA per game in those games, including 7.5 3PT attempts per game.
The next season he had a chance to take the team on his shoulders and lead them to the playoffs in the final month. He choked. When I was looking for some stats I found a link to an article written in April of the 2007-2008 season that sums up pretty much exactly how I felt then:
http://www.theplayinca.com/2008/04/stephen-jackson-you-idiot-warriors.html
That piece was written in April of 2008, a month of 9 games crucial to the Warriors’ playoff hopes that year, a month in which Jackson shot 33.9 percent from the floor, and 24.1 percent from beyond the arc. When playing well would have helped the Warriors the most, Jackson has played terribly.
The Warriors were and are never going to win anything significant with Jackson on the roster, because Jackson cares far more about himself than the team. Ship him off for anything in return. The team will be better because of it.
Don't worry about me Thurgood, I'll be fine. The robbery is what's important now.
by the guy on Oct 14, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Various beefs, with various points made above...
“He has never been interested in elevating the play of his teammates”
I am not defending Jack now, nor do I even respect him anymore, but this statement is just false. He was VERY interested in elevating the play of his teamates when it was Boom, Jrich, Matty Barnes, and of course his butt buddy Al Harrington. Say what you will, but Jack was made Captain for a reason. He was the heart of the team.
“I also felt that the decisions they made at the time were right regarding JRich and Baron. I felt that the team was young and had a lot of potential, not to mention we had a good salary cap situation. But then, the inept front office of course, screws it up by signing Maggette for WAY more that his worth AND gives Jack that premature extension”
The Maggette signing was a panicky reaction by Rowell and Cohan to the realization that they had misjudged the Baron situation. They thought he couldn’t possibly leave $18m on the table and they’d be able to wait another year. He called their bluff, and they panicked by signing Maggs and re-upping Jack. Hence, losing Baron led directly to both those poor decisions.
“it’s a bit dishonest just to put Randolph on a "best case hypothetical" team with Baron, JRich et al.”
Fine, how about ANY other decent big man? That team was a good power forward away from being a legit contender and you know it.
“For me jrich trade always made sense. We had a clutter of swings on high salary, and lacked ANY bigs (at the time). Trading for a highly touted bwright made sense”
JRICH was a KEY piece of that team. Yes, they were good the next year without him, but the thing that made them good in the first place was the chemistry. The same strange, inexplicable, wonderful chemistry that made us all love Jackson in the first place. Was Monta an upgrade over JRICH? Yes, absoloutely. That still doesn’t justify trading him.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Oct 14, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does J-Rich trade make sense?
I don’t see the sense in trading a proven player and a Second Round pick for an unproven player that was already falling in the draft.
I can swallow a trade if I feel we got equal value back, but the J-Rich trade was nothing but a salary dump. It did nothing to improve the team on the floor, but as we see now, was the first Domino to fall in our current state of disarray.
Also, I don’t agree that we had a better team without Richardson. Remember, that our playoff year we started off with Dunleavy and Murphy and did not finalize our playoff roster until later that season.
Another season of J-Rich probably would have helped as we would have had one more player in the rotation and maybe would not have had a group of exhausted players towards the end of that season. Or maybe we get a little bit of a better offer for Richardson.
by ajtrinc on Oct 14, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That still doesn’t justify trading him.
Glad someone understands how winning works. If they’d tweaked the team a bit and gone to the playoffs again everybody would have had more trade value and we coulda figured out the Montay/Dre contract problems then. At least we’d have made the attempt to go for the gold and wouldn’t hafta be here thinking about what might have been.
Part of the problem was likely nellie didn’t want to win with a team that made sense , he’d rather blow it up and get a team that makes it harder to win so more praise rolls in if it does happen to still win? Over the years he’s always managed to DumpaWeber if expectations got too high.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 14, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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