Stephen Jackson: Now it's sad
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 14, 2009 5:03 PM PDT
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I write this fanpost as a response to Matt Steinmetz article: Jackson Takes Aim at Kobe, Teammates
It's Stephen Jackson second day back from suspension, and he's still talking. This time, he's talking about how Kobe was playing dirty and how Kobe was getting away with stuff that Jack could not. As a result, Jack expressed his frustrations, drew 5 fouls, 1 technical, and a 2 game suspension. Initially, I was disgusted at Jack because it was he who lost control of himself but yet he still blames Kobe.
But the next point in the article is what made this sad:
Jackson also said on Tuesday that everything was cool with his teammates because it really wasn't about them.
But maybe that's not the case. On Wednesday, Jackson made it clear that he did have an issue with his teammates, saying they didn't have his back like he would have had theirs.
"Nobody reacted but me so the team didn't have a reaction," Jackson said. "It was only me standing up for myself. I don't think anybody else stood up for me. But if the shoe was on the other foot, I would have stood up for somebody on my team. And they didn't do the same for me."
With this quote, he has burned every last bridge imaginable. He's turned on Rowell, who gave him his money. He's turned on Nellie, who made him a captain with plenty of minutes and praise. He's turned on the fans, who supported him despite his turnovers and his arguing with the refs. He's turned on the game of basketball when he degrades the concept of a team captain and tells people to look out for themselves. Now he's turned on his teammates whom I think might have tried to tolerate and play with him.
Up until that point in the article, I was thinking that Jackson's beef had been with the Warriors and their losing ways. I thought that he'd at least be good to his teammates that he'll have to play with. But once he threw them under the bus, it occurred to me that Jackson's problem isn't really with the Warriors at all.
Stephen Jackson real problem is with himself. And his psyche. He's insecure. Of himself.
I think Jack is insecure of himself. He might even be down and/or depressed about himself. But he doesn't know it. He's not conscious of it. As a result, he constantly seeks external positive forces to balance out his insecurity and make himself feel good. That's why he's always arguing with the refs. That's why he pushed for that contract extension and money. That's why he desperately wants to go to a winning team. That's why he constantly talks himself up to the point of sounding delusional. And that's why he blames Kobe, the coaching staff, Nellie, and now his teammates. He cannot let anything near him that puts blame or fault on him, because it will trigger his inner self insecurity. Once anything like that comes close, he unconsciously turns on his psychological defensive shields and puts the blame on everyone else around him while talking up how good he is.
This is why despite getting his money, despite rebuilding his reputation here in the Bay Area, despite earning praise and respect from coach Nellie, he still lashes out and acts this way. Because none of those things solved his real problem, which is himself.
You know how sometimes in life, you come across a hotheaded, smack talking, bullying type of person. And at first you think they're mean, threatening, or scary. But once you get to know them, you find out it's really nothing more than an act covering a small person inside. That's how I see Jack now.
And that's why it's now sad.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Keep him away from the team
Give him the Marbury treatment, or trade him.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Oct 14, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But a trade is less likely at this point
Hey Jack, don’t you nknow that whining like this decreases your trade value? Now your less likely to leave! Isn’t that just wonderful!
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Oct 14, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
know*
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
by dubzfan on Oct 14, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*You're
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Oct 14, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree...send him home
hes being a jerk.
by GSWBALL on Oct 14, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question now becomes whether Jackson ever plays another game for us. Given the breakneck pace at which he is managing to make a pariah of himself, I think the smart money is on NO.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Oct 14, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sad!
You come to a new situation, repair your image and make yourself more desirable not only to other teams, but as a possible endorser of products.
The only person taking money out of Jackson’s pocket now is himself. If the Warriors have to buy him out, no way he gets even close to the amount of money the Warriors gave him last year.
Keep up with your current strategy on how to get out of here and we’ll see how that works out for you financially.
P.S. If you are planning on the Warriors being able to trade you with a hefty, multi-year contract and the bad attitude to go with it, not to mention the FO’s ineptitude……..well, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
by ajtrinc on Oct 14, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody had his back because everyone else just wanted to play and not whine
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by Xero on Oct 14, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It is getting sad. That’s a good description. My feeling is, we can afford to sit Jackson and lose almost nothing. He was especially beneficial last year, because he is a pretty good passer for a 3. If he could ball handle, he wouldn’t turn the ball over so much, but he is still a pretty good passer. But between Ellis and Curry, I don’t know that he’s useful in that respect. We also have Azu and Maggs. Having him sit will hurt us very little, IMO. What really hurts us is the loss of his personality working in our favor. He used to motivate the team. Not anymore. We need others to step up in his place, Like Turiaf.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Oct 14, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Trade Idea
Let’s ship Jackson + Curry + Law for Boozer
PG Ellis – Watson
SG Morrow – Azubuike
SF Randolph – Maggette
PF Boozer – Wright
C Biedrins – Turiaf
by gambinofam on Oct 14, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no....
no boozer…look at EB and the 76ers last year
by GSWBALL on Oct 14, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but right now player X is better then Jackson on this team which is why it will be next to impossible to trade him, and for a Boozer type especially.
This house is full of m, m, madness!
This house is full of m, m, mistakes!
by qin on Oct 14, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There aren’t any strip clubs to shoot up in SLC. He would never go.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Oct 14, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't have a choice. No "no trade clause" in his contract.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Oct 14, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson and Utah = Oil and Holy Water
Larry Miller once said something to the effect of “you have to be a certain type of person to play here”. No need to dig deeper into that than to say: “Whatever type of person he was talking about we can be certain that Stephen Jackson is not him”.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 15, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with sending him to Utah, then...
But the Jazz wouldn’t accept it though. Sigh.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 15, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
u cant trade a rookie after he signd his contract until his soph year anyway….. n a 3 for 1 deal is retarded anyway lol
by slackersphere17 on Oct 17, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the truth is even sadder
Jackson is not unconsciously depressed or insecure – he’s consciously forcing the team to move him by becoming a pariah. He’s absolutely secure in that he knows he will get paid regardless of how this plays out – in fact he invited the club to send him home on paid leave, he invited them to talk to his agent about a buyout at the right price, he asked for a trade – but in ANY case he’s financially secure thanks to RR. He’s not depressed, he may be petulant, arrogant, even self righteous but he’s not depressed. You’re right though, he’s burning every bridge he can set fire to in an attempt to turn the heat up on the franchise that gave him a chance to resurrect his career. And he’s doing so in a cold, calculated and callous fashion …
by hardcore on Oct 14, 2009 6:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday, I would probably have agreed with you
about being cold and calculating. Today, I’m not sure. He turned on the very same teammates that he said he didn’t blame them for anything just yesterday. That feels more reactionary to me than cold and calculating.
Yesterday:
-Q: Is it uncomfortable out here with your teammates?
- JACKSON: No, it ain’t them. It’s not them. I can’t blame them for anything that’s going on. I’m a man, I take responsibility for everything I’ve said, for everything I’ve done…
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 14, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your quote sounds more "cold and calculated"
Than depressed.
He’s trying his hardest to get out. He knows that his contract is crap and that the Warriors aren’t going to get anything they want for him. Thus, his only avenue is to become so terrible that taking anything back would be better. Bashing his teammates is something he didn’t want to have to do, but it’s clearly come to this.
This is a power struggle between Jax and the FO. The FO has no leverage. They’re obligated to pay him. The only thing they can do to punish is Starbury him or repeatedly suspend him. Jax knows he can do whatever he wants and get away with it.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 15, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind that when I mentioned depression
I wasn’t saying that it is the root cause. It is a possible cause for someone’s insecurity. For all I know, Jackson could be insecure about losing, or being viewed as a loser by his peers, or something else. Obviously, only Jack can know for sure. But whatever it is, I still think there’s some form of insecurity in him that’s been with him for a long time. Even his “it ain’t me” thing from last season fits my theory so far.
But you are right, that quote does make him sound cold and calculating at that time on Tuesday. That’s why it surprised me when he suddenly blamed his teammates the day after on Wednesday, when he was telling the same story about his battle with Kobe. That’s why I now DON’T think he’s cold and calculating.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 15, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack is a street cut
He hustled everyone not just the Front Office or the W’s fans I mean the whole league. Guess what now that he got his money he dont give a ****. He’s not acting anymore no more Capt Jack the hero no more everyones friend the great ambassador from the bay. The gig is up and he should get an oscar but I just cant wait for the finale because theres no doubt Jack the F’er is going to leave lots of destruction in his wake.
THUG LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Warriorfan on Oct 14, 2009 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate jackson
now i realize how much of an d bag he is…i hope monta hate his guts now so we really have to move him
by GSWBALL on Oct 14, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t act for three years. His perception of the people around him has changed, it appears, which brought out his bad side. I’m not saying that’s an excuse. That’s his immaturity and insecurity, in my view. He’s an idiot, in short. But I feel kinda sorry for him and still think he did some good things for us and could probably again, if he so chooses.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Oct 14, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His perception of the people around him has changed,
The people around him HAVE changed, we’ve gone from a layoff team to a 28 win team. That’s not perception that’s reality. He’s frustrated like a true fan should be but Jax can do more about it than we can.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 14, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not perception that’s reality.
Actually, that’s perception. It was 29 wins. ;-P
And to clarify a bit: we went from a lucky 42-win playoff team, to an unlucky 48-win lottery team (I mean, unlucky till we landed Randolph in the draft), to an injury-ravaged 29-win team that played most of the season without its best player.
Of course, you just wrote that Derek Fisher is more of a “winner” than John Stockton … so really, why am I bothering?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 14, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just wrote that Derek Fisher is more of a "winner" than John Stockton … so really, why am I bothering?
I guess if you can’t count rings then you should just pack it up :>)
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 15, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam. Morrison. ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 15, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s frustrated like a true fan should be but Jax can do more about it than we can.
Just so I understand, you’re saying that this is the martyrdom of Steven Jackson? He is the ultimate Warrior, making the ultimate basketball sacrifice to expose the ineptitude and foolishness that is the current Warriors ownership and management. That, by turning on all things Warriors Jackson is doing for fans what they could not do for themselves?
And this makes you a Skeptic?
by toddaverth on Oct 15, 2009 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re saying that this is the martyrdom of Steven Jackson?
no, I’m sayin he’s a free man doing what a free man can.
If he’s honest with us we’re getting more than we deserve from him considering how fast we all turned on him. We’ve got all these folks that don’t play the game telling the player how it is? We should know enough to know we don’t have a clue how it really is, and that guys like Jax are our best way to gain insight into it.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 15, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I play basketball; pickup basketball, but basketball.
I am a professional; not a professional basketball player, but a professional.
I don’t get paid millions of dollars, guaranteed. I don’t get traded.
Some things are the same. Some are different. Jackson is acting differently than ~99% of NBA players past and present. I don’t believe Jackson’s “honesty” is an accurate portrayal of how it really is. It might be how he sees it – I believe it is – but that just means that Jackson’s judgment is poor, which has been his reputation for a long time.
Anyone can see that the front office situation is messed up. Everyone not paid to “see” otherwise does. Anyone can understand the frustration of seeing all of your friends leave the team. I think most of us get that. Nelson claims to have broached the concept of a trade with Jackson last year, knowing how frustrating being the old vet on a young, rebuilding team can be. That frustration is also understood. But Jackson signed up for 3 more years after all of these things were apparent, saying he wanted to be a part of what was coming. If his willingness to do that was just to get money or was based on the promise that a trade for Amar’e or someone like him would get done then Jackson needs to realize he took a gamble on a very risky bet and lost.
He could also stand to realize that his situation isn’t nearly as bad as he is making it out to be; Jackson himself is causing the worst of the Warriors (short term) problems. A little humility would go a long way to getting the Warriors back to the team he says wants to play for. He needs to stop whining and start winning with what he’s got.
by toddaverth on Oct 15, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No different than the day he showed up
Except now more people see the real guy. He never impressed me either as a good player or an interesting person. He’ s just an ass. A millionaire jock ass.
What IS sad is that people indulged him around here this long.
by formerlythecity on Oct 14, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
suit him up and dont play him
Thats what I’d do, he has too much guaranteed money to be sent home if you ask me. Put him on the end of the bench, and if he acts up, fine him. If he leaves the bench, fine him. If he says anything detrimental to the team, fine him. He’ll get the point soon enough, and when he finally starts acting right and his value goes up, trade him for cap relief, you wont get equal talent in return for him.
by kyzah on Oct 14, 2009 7:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
to add a little spice id
have him start so everyone can boo him then call a time out and sub him to the end of the bench.
by Warriorfan on Oct 14, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea just fine him to get all the money that we gave him!
lol what we should do is play him when were getting blasted and when we are the blasters…trust me there is nothing worse than playing when your team is down by 25-30 in the 4th quarter with 4min left on the clock then we trade him…and if he refuses to play then we FINE HIS ASS!!!
by blacksamurai33 on Oct 14, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now Don't hate on me
Kobe is a damn dirty player, he gets away with it. You know what, you guys are taking the wrong angle. He’s not lashing out against the rest of the team, he didn’t say one thing bad. Hey if you know ur boys got your back, and they don’t react, hell i’d be pissed just like him. Based on one article, you’re all goin crazy on him. I’ve been through that before, when your boys don’t defend you. He talks to AR, Monta, Maggette, Biedrins, n Turiaf all the time. Him and Monta are like best friends, just calm down guys
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Oct 14, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now Don't hate on me
Don’t worry, you’re the kind of team mate I appreciate.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 14, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson isn't the type of team mate I appreciate
He doesn’t show faith in the team, he doesn’t play team basketball, he whines and complains to the refs (which, the way he does it, never gets any sympathy from them; see the technical fouls,) he makes stupid decisions that escalate problems (see “Malice at the Palace” and the current situation) and he gets mad at his team mates when they don’t do the same (but he doesn’t want to be a role model.)
Despite what he says, Jackson doesn’t have his team mates back in any positive way. This appears to be the result of an inability or unwillingness to think of things in anything other than the most short-sited of perspectives, rather than malice or lack of heart, but it is still a major problem that I’d rather not have to deal with.
by toddaverth on Oct 15, 2009 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah jacks crazy man!
how are you going to defend 5 fouls and 1 tech under 10 min? hes crazy to think that anyone can defend him on that kobe is kobe you know that i know that and jack knows that..he will get his calls jack should have known better than to play overly aggressive in a preseason game against kobe who jogs around the court for the first 3 1/2 quarters anyways how do you get even 3 fouls on that type of plays within that time!!?? wtf!
by blacksamurai33 on Oct 14, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay okay
jackson’s attitude is bad for this team
but come on! don’t you guys agree with him? or atleast see where he is coming from??
you guys talk all day about how much this organization sucks and don’t you hate how the refs favor kobe?? as far as that kobe “diss,” that was awesome. that is the never back down captain jack that we loved. Like he said he is a grown man and a competitor he isn’t going to go out there and be starstruck in front of kobe bryant he is going to believe that he can shut him down.
as far as trade demands. you saw what happened to jrich, baron, davis, and al harrington. this team destroyed the we believe roster and sent those guys packing, all of them ended pretty poorly. Those were Jack’s boys. I mean i hate it that he wants to leave my team and that it has come to this, but i see where he is coming from.
by Agent Zero on Oct 14, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank You my man
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Oct 14, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
again...
how are you going to defend 5 fouls and 1 tech under 10 min? hes crazy to think that anyone can defend him on that kobe is kobe you know that i know that and jack knows that..he will get his calls jack should have known better than to play overly aggressive in a preseason game against kobe who jogs around the court for the first 3 1/2 quarters anyways how do you get even 3 fouls on that type of plays within that time!!?? wtf!
by blacksamurai33 on Oct 14, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Kobe is shown favoritism and the front office has serious problems
Jackson’s handling of each situation is what I disagree with. It is both short-sited and ineffective at achieving any of his stated goals.
by toddaverth on Oct 15, 2009 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you look at how artest handled it last season
during the playoffs with Kobe’s elbows. He complained to the refs about it, but he kept under control. He didn’t take out his frustrations by drawing MORE stupid fouls
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 15, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere inside his crazy head, Stephen Jackson can’t quite make the connection.
He wants to leave the team because we suck.
We suck because we overpaid for bad players, players such as himself.
It’s like he walked into a crowded elevator, farted, and then complained that he had to get out because it smelled so bad.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Oct 15, 2009 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
It’s like he walked into a crowded elevator, farted, and then complained that he had to get out because it smelled so bad.
and all the "smart’ people were happy to stay in there as if nothing had happened?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 15, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a question of “smart.” Everyone in the elevator including Cap’n Jack-arse had signed a lucrative, binding contract to stay in there. Some had no choice in the matter; some (Jack-arse, for example) had a choice. Pretty much everyone there was fully aware that it might get smelly.
When the fart occurred, everyone, true to their contract and their word, stayed in the elevator and held their noses politely. Everyone, that is, except for one, who whined and stamped his feet and demanded out. The irony, as YaHeard points out, is that the whiner/foot-stamper is the same dude who cut the cheese.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 15, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jrich, baron, davis, and al harrington. this team destroyed the we believe roster and sent those guys packing
I see this brought up over and over again. I’m tired of hearing the FO sucks because they didn’t hold on to the aging We Believe team. From forty thousand feet, it seems the FO just chucked aside an emerging team threatening a championship run. But those of us who lived it (and I know you’ve been around here just as long as anyone, agent zero, so you know what I’m saying) we always knew that We Believe was a bit of lightening in a jar. From up close, all of the major moves that sent everyone packing were reasonable.
JRich was a great guy with a lights out 3pt shot and great hops. But he couldn’t put the ball on the floor or defend very well. His trade was a gamble for Garnett and cap space for Beans and Monta. Regretable? Yes. Reasonable? I think so.
B Davis was simply asking too much. LA is hot on him now. Not so much last year. Let’s see how it goes over the next four.
Al Harrington has more trouble than me making a lay-up.
Actually, the worst move, IMO, was the failure to sign MP’s very reasonable contract.
No, I’m sorry . The WORST move was the signing of Jack. Rowell should have wiped the slate clean last year.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by fotd on Oct 15, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec. A thousand times rec. Perfectly said on all counts.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 15, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respect that opinion...
despite the fact that I disagree with it. We should never have let BD go. It was and is and will be a mistake. Harrington showed himself the door, but it could have been prevented by the acquisition of a real 4 and moving Al to 6th man where he could play on the wing (his natural position). The JRICH trade, although I still think it marked the beginning of the end, was the most reasonable move given all factors and that it netted the trade exemption. The fact that we did NOTHING with that exemption once the Garnett deal “fell through” (was it ever a real possibility?) indicates that no real plan was in place.
I do agree that We Believe was lightning in a bottle, but WHY on EARTH would you let it out once you’ve captured it?!?!? What were we risking by trying to see if our first playoff team in 14 years could become something more? A 29 win season?
Extending Jack was obviously a stupid move. If we were going to blow up the dream, we should have blown it up completely.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Oct 15, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A 29 win season?
Every time I see this I wonder, did this person pay any attention to the Warriors last year? Are they aware of the major injuries sustained by last years team before the season began, let alone during the season? Are they aware that these injuries were sustained at the position of the Warriors greatest weakness because they were not prepared for Baron’s departure? Do they really see the changes made to the roster over the summer and the return to health of Ellis (and others,) not to mention the amazing growth of the Anthony’s and think that that 29 wins is representative of anything?
With or without Stephen Jackson – unless we have to destroy the team because of him – this team will be right about 40 wins this year, maybe better. In other words, if they get a little lucky, they’ll be just as good as the “We Believe” team, with far more upside.
by toddaverth on Oct 15, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True. But it feels good to whine, I guess and blame the FO. It gives the illusion of control. If it weren’t for Ellis being injured and the subsequent injuries during the season, who knows what people would be saying now? The fact is, sometimes, your team sucks, no matter what you do. The Spurs sucked the year before they got Duncan, due to Robinson’s injury, for example. The best F.O.’s have bad years (not that ours is the best… in fact it sucks, but our team is really not that bad right now).
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Oct 15, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec and rec.
Why do I keep finding myself agreeing with you two lately?
We really need to get back on the subject of gay marriage… ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 15, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
But I don’t feel like I know you well enough to be talking about that kind of relationship (and then there’s my religious objection to the practice.)
;-)
by toddaverth on Oct 15, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Dude, it’s back on in the Mormon Apologetics website. You can drop by and disagree with me there. ha ha Interestingly, Dallin H. Oaks (Mormon apostle and a former California lawyer) happened to make a controversial comment relating to prop. 8 and ended up on Keith Olbermann as “the worst person in the world.” So that’s what they’re talking about on the the Mormon board. (I think he was misrepresented. It sounded a bit racially insensitive, until you see it in context.).
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Oct 15, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
until you see it in context.
Context? CONTEXT?!?!? Who has time for context these days? Anything that’s too long to cut and paste to twitter is considered unreadable by the media and general public.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 16, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we should just get j rich
im serious
we send claxton and jackson to san antonio, san antonio sends RJ to the suns, and the suns send j rich to us.
i think its perfect
spurs.
1.parker
2.roger mason/manu
3.jack
4. TD
5. some old guy
suns
1.nash
2.barbosa
3RJ
4.amare
4.frye
Warriors
1.monta
2.morrow
3.j rich
4.AR
5.AB
or we could get a defensive specialist
by GSWBALL on Oct 14, 2009 8:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why in the world would the Spurs give up RJ for Jackson? I hope you’re joking.
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by Naticus2 on Oct 14, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do have to admit tho...
the 5 for the spurs would fit their system good lol
by blacksamurai33 on Oct 14, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like "some old guy"
He’s really solid and is a great complement for Duncan. He’s also really good at complimenting his teammates… which is always good when you’ve got a guy like Jax around who needs it.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 15, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol y r u trying to giv the suns n spurs stronger LUs the whol point of trades is to fool the othr teams n trading one unnecessary distraction for anothr isnt gonna help OUR team
by slackersphere17 on Oct 17, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
paging dr. freud
fantastic psycho analysis, IQ. jack is cornered and will attack anything threatening him and his delusional date with destiny as league mvp and champion.
"We're Menudo," -BB
by eshock on Oct 14, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd wanna smack Kobe too...but just because though.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Oct 14, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
I think Jack is insecure of himself. He might even be down and/or depressed about himself. But he doesn’t know it. He’s not conscious of it. As a result, he constantly seeks external positive forces to balance out his insecurity and make himself feel good. That’s why he’s always arguing with the refs. That’s why he pushed for that contract extension and money. That’s why he desperately wants to go to a winning team. That’s why he constantly talks himself up to the point of sounding delusional. And that’s why he blames Kobe, the coaching staff, Nellie, and now his teammates. He cannot let anything near him that puts blame or fault on him, because it will trigger his inner self insecurity. Once anything like that comes close, he unconsciously turns on his psychological defensive shields and puts the blame on everyone else around him while talking up how good he is.
I think you’re over-analyzing Jack’s psyche. He was and is still PISSED off at the Warriors with the main culprits being Cohan and especially Rowell, Nelson and Riley. We’ve seen Jack on his best behavior for the past 2.5 years. He just doesn’t give a F at this point. I hardly think Jack has any mental psychosis.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Oct 14, 2009 9:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
over analyized a bit but...
where did the trade offer come from? i def think he is insecure about himself and he is also going crazy
by blacksamurai33 on Oct 14, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was and is still PISSED off at the Warriors with the main culprits being Cohan and especially Rowell, Nelson and Riley
This was my previous position. But then he turn on his teammates too…? This is what led me to believe it’s something in his head.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 15, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His recent "turning on his teammates"
I see it as more of a “what else does a brotha need to do to get a trade around here?!?!” I don’t think he’d be calling out his teammates if he wasn’t trying to be as much of a nuisance to the FO as possible.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 15, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stephen Jackson has dug his own grave
We’ve seen Jack on his best behavior for the past 2.5 years. He just doesn’t give a F at this point. I hardly think Jack has any mental psychosis.
Why? Because he was having fun with BD, TMNT, and JRich. They were sent packing by the FO. All three of them were gone, and he was probably pissed at the FO about it. He could have just said “F this! I’m outta here. If they don’t trade me now, I’ll make them trade me as an expiring contract next year.”
However, he didn’t do that. He did the opposite and signed on for 3 more years. Why? He was looking around thinking, “Man, my next contract is up in two years. Who’s gonna pay me?” He saw the Warriors fans getting antsy about losing most of “We Believe,” knew there was some strife in the FO, and talked to the business man (Rowell) instead of the basketball man (Mullin), knowing that the business man wouldn’t want to let go of the final piece of “We Believe” and would give him a very financially rewarding deal. He got his extension.
Then he played quiet because he had to. Even Stephen Jackson didn’t have the balls to go demanding a trade the day after signing his extension. Besides, he got paid and he was gonna get to be “the man” for once. That’s pretty cool, right?
After that honeymoon ended, we come to right now. He’s still pissed at the FO (like he’s been since they let his three amigos go), but now that he’s got this huge contract, the FO can’t find a buyer for him. So he’s getting desperate and taking some drastic measures to get out.
Is he “pissed at the FO?” Yeah. But nothing negative has happened since he signed his extension, in fact, a lot of positive things have happened: Randolph became the most promising 20 year old in the NBA, we drafted Curry who everybody’s really excited about, and Monta came back. If he is pissed now, it’s because of stuff that happened before his extension. If he wanted a trade, he should not have signed that extension (if he’d been asking for a trade, Rowell should not have given him an extension, but that’s beside the point).
Stephen Jackson has dug his own grave. Good for him.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 15, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind if he just dug his own grave; the problem is that Rowell picked up a shovel too, only the grave he dug was for the team and organization. Completely fubar. Thanks fellas.
by ffgolden on Oct 15, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RR dug, and it's not Jackson's grave ...
it’s ours …
by hardcore on Oct 15, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, RR helped
But Jax did the digging. Now we’re all stuck down here and I’m tired of hearing him whine. Either somebody get some duct tape and tie him up or throw him out as far as you can… hopefully in trade for a ladder.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 16, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shake them dreads
His bad boy act isn’t as cool without the silly dreadlocks
by Trakrunner on Oct 14, 2009 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Any trade that they can get for Jax is a good trade. Forget getting a young player in return. Just dumping his salary and bad attitude is a plus. I don’t see how bitching and pouting is going to get you what you want. If anything, it just makes it harder for teams to like you.
by barrance on Oct 15, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if they're going to get rid of Jax
then Nellie needs to be sent packing as well because YOU KNOW as soon as Jax is gone, it’s going to be Monta’s turn to become the problem child because he’s never gotten over Mopedgate, and then once he’s gone, it’ll be Randolph’s turn because he’s been teetering on the edge of exploding on Nellie since he arrived, and then after him, most likely Brandon Wright and the list will go on and on ad nauseaum because wherever Nellie goes, there’s always going to be drama, and that’s just the way it is folks. We’re never going to be an attractive team to any good free agent with Nellie because you’re not going to find any good players who want to work under him. Chris Mullen was the reason free agents were attracted to the Warriors and now that he’s been shoved out compliments of Rowell and Nellie, we’re left with a team that is never going to get any better than they were last season.
by centerre on Oct 15, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Winning would keep Monta happy, as is the case with most NBA players. We either need to make a big trade or make Monta believe that we can win, perhaps simply by winning with what we’ve got. I don’t think that is implausible, personally. We can have a good season this year, I think.
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by Naticus2 on Oct 15, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you that one is either depressed or not. There is no unconscious depression. Jack gives no indication of being depressed as defined by diagnostic criteria. I think it is safe to say he has an anger management problem. Based on his public statements and associated behavior it also seems safe to say that he has a problem of personality that makes it difficult for him to accept responsibility for the things he finds challenging, for his mistakes. Characterizing himself as mistreated and criticizing his coaches and teammates for not supporting him is a very bad sign. Jack seems a rigid thinker and once he perceives he has a genuine grievance struggles to set such thoughts and feelings aside. The issue isn’t that there might be some real basis for grievance – as some here argue – but that Jack’s response to it is completely out of proportion to what it constitutes and as such is self-defeating. What won’t help him is that less psychologically-minded but well-meaning individuals are unable to make this distinction and so they’ll socially reinforce Jack’s excessive sense of grievance. I hope he can get beyond this for himself and the team, but I’m not very optimistic. I agree that the problem is bigger than the dubs. That’s sad for Jack, but in truth the real victims are those – in this case the team and fans – that suffer the consequences of his self-destruction.
by sartre on Oct 15, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Depression = anger turned inward. Some “depression” expresses itself as anger, which is common especially in high testosterone males.
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by Naticus2 on Oct 15, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa.
Sartre in the house!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
It’s like a Catholic joke. You see, Freud, Sartre, and a monk were having a conversation about basketball…
Serilously, thoughtful analysis. Only at GSOM :-)
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by fotd on Oct 16, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a farmer’s daughter involved? I hope so…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 16, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a well-reasoned, well stated analysis
merci, Jean-Paul. I think we should also keep in mind a precipitative event in Jackson’s youth, the violent death of his brother, and his uncertainty whether he could have prevented it. Going to Artest’s aid in the Det game, firing a ‘warning shot’ in the club altercation, seeing his komrades Barnes, Davis, Harrington depart from oaktown, feeling abandoned by his teammates and coach in his duel with Bryant, and rejecting Nelson’s familiar, avuncular touch on his arm at court side, he’s shown a powerful need to identify with a tribe and feel support from it. That element, plus his polarized view of what’s right/wrong or us/them, has much to do I think with why he has been seen as a team guy, and why he’ll continue to receive what you term social reinforcement. There’s no veteran left on the team (or someone like Mullin, for that matter) with whom he has an established history who can reassure him about this team and its future; there seemed to be a lot of isolation expressed in his recent comments.
by the.monk on Oct 15, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merci Thelonious and Somnolent Siggy.
Monk, I really think you’ve picked up on something truthful there with your astute observations about Jack feeling isolated with the loss of his komrades and a little bereft without a sense of connection with a tribe. Wise counsel from someone he has an established history with would certainly help to anchor him again.
by sartre on Oct 16, 2009 3:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
gotta love it
Notes: Nelson said he’s not going to name another captain to replace Jackson. The Warriors will go with the three they have: guard Monta Ellis, Biedrins and Turiaf. … Multiple sources confirmed former executive vice president of basketball operations Chris Mullin had the makings of a deal in place to send Stephen Jackson to the Eastern Conference, as Yahoo Sports reported Thursday. One of the sources said there were talks that included the Detroit Pistons forward Tayshaun Prince. But the deal was nixed by team president Robert Rowell’s extension talks with Jackson.
http://www.montereyherald.com/sports/ci_13575527?nclick_check=1
by centerre on Oct 16, 2009 8:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Please don't.
We don’t need any more saddness.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 16, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi
Wanna make Stephen Jackson feel powerless?
100% ignore him
I cant think of a bigger way to disrespect someone.
Make 80+ posts on the same tired topic is helping him. Making this situation larger then it has to be, is helping him. Boo’ing him at games, is helping him.
If we all just completely ignore him, he will be SCREWED.
But …. in typical internet fashion, I know this wont be done =p
by sjboy on Oct 16, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Superman that hoe!
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 16, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you hit it on point
Too bad. He has the capacity to contribute so much with his heart and determination but his insecurity is getting the best of him.
I mean, why pick a preseason game to start something with Kobe? Kobe is a jack-ss too, but he is disciplined enough to control himself when it matters. Jackson needs to learn the same.
by yobo on Oct 21, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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