Stephen Jackson - O Captain, My Captain :: 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Player Recaps and Previews
by R Dizzle on Oct 2, 2009 7:09 AM PDT
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Player Prediction 2008-2009 - Stephen Jackson
I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to write about Stephen Jackson two years in a row. Before we get into what he did last year, let me pull a few thoughts from my article a year ago.
He was a big part of the whole Ron Artest ordeal and best known for firing a gun outside of an Indiana strip club. He had a ring with the Spurs, but who really cared when he first came to the bay? Looked like a troubled soul and a guy that just needed to get his head up out of his you know what. Expectations were low - the hope was that he just wouldn't screw things up too much. We had DUNLEAVY before him, how much worse could it get?
Before we dive into where SJax is now with the organization and before you drop ANY comments at the bottom do me (and yourself) a favor. Answer that question - "We had DUNLEAVY before him, how much worse could it get?"
Grade: A+
Captain Jack.
He was a huge component of our 07 playoff run, in fact, Game 6 of the Mavs series was all him. Nothing, and i do mean NOTHING, will ever amount to the energy and passion that he brought to that game, that series, and the end of that season. As Warriors fans, we will always be in debt to this man for helping revive our lowly franchise and bringing life back to the basketball in the Bay.
Try to deny that.
Webster's dictionary defines captain as "a person of importance or influence in a field." Remember that 7 game suspension at the beginning of the season? How many of those games did we win? 1? THAT'S the kind of impact he had with the team.
I'll get into that more later.
What's even more worth noting about Stephen Jackson was his growth as more than a player in the league. After winning the NBA Community Assist Award for the month of March, I was pretty impressed to see his resume of community service for the work. He participated in the Silence the Violence rally where he spoke at Oakland Tech about the challenges he faced growing up, and teamed up with John Legend to bring us a LEGENDARY GSoM Night 4 as he showcased the Show Me Campaign to raise $50,000 for the organization. To end the month, he teamed up with Good Tidings Foundation to build a basketball court for the Omega Boys Club in San Francisco. Not enough? He finished the year by receiving Eighth Annual Angela and Chris Cohan Community Service Award.
That game (GSoM Night 4) was by far one of the best times I had at the Roaracle. Not only was the game great because I got to chill with my crew, not only was John Legend bringing the house down with his hits, but I was in an arena that was contributing to something great. Captain Jack promised to donate $1,000 dollars per point he scored, and with the emotional support in the arena, he brought down 20.
This man is our team now. With Baron gone, like it or not, he'll bring the leadership to the table. He's got a fiery soul, and yes, at times he'll be out of control, but as long as he only manages to pull 1 tech a game (he plays better with one in him anyway) he won't be a threat. Let's keep in mind that he's been shooting out of his mind this preseason, and he's still got the hot hand. I really like what he brings to his position (SF, no wait, SG, or maybe PG? Who really knows what he'll be playing come game time) but he's going to bring passion every time he steps on the court.
Ya, I guess I'll have to speak that more.
I really don't care what kind of numbers he puts up (as long as it's not double digit turnovers) as long as he plays with his heart every game. This season might not end with another playoff run, but whatever. I'm just happy to have this guy on the team and I'm excited to see what kind of work he accomplishes within the community this season.
Rewinding 2008-2009: Stephen Jackson
Let's face some facts.
1. Stephen Jackson at PG didn't quite work out - way too many turnovers.
2. Stephen Jackson is a very emotional player that pulls in way too many techs. He was suspended once during the year because it.
Be real, the team was better with SJax on the court. Sure, he was emotional, put up dumb 3's, and had a poor shot choice, but by all means, a young team needs leader. Many of those guys - Anthony Morrow and Anthony Randolph - credited their development through the year to SJax and his ability to teach. Mad props.
3. Stephen Jackson had too many great pictures last year.
Don Nelson: Man, Jax is great at his James Brown impression.
SJax: White guys can't block me! Tim Ducan..that's another story.
Anderson Varejao - I miss you man!
Stephen Jackson: Ronny! Good news, I'm not getting fined this offseason! I swear!
SJax: Nellie won't let me play OR get Garlic Fries? This is getting out of hand...
Quote from this game - Warriors 116, Jazz 96
"We're making progress, and that's really all you can ask for right now," said Jackson, who's on a statistical roll over the past four games. "We're right in every game. We have a chance to win every game. If we can continue to do that on the road, and protect our home, we're doing what we're supposed to do."
And...my fondest memory of last season.
The highlight of the game was unfortunately when both Stephen Jackson and Coach Nelson received technical fouls and were ejected 11 seconds apart in the 3rd quarter. The comic panels says it all. Just coming home from the game and reading about everyone's reactions, folks were either bitter or happy they got ejected. As soon as Keith Smart took over, it wasn't enough for the W's to stage a comeback.
One last thing about the Cap'n.
You remind me of Donald Duck.
4. Stephen Jackson was putting up unbelievable stats in January and February.
You know it, you can't deny it. Say whatever you want about the guy, but there was a reason we almost won 30 games last season. I'll give you a hint - it wasn't Monta Ellis. Jackson pulled in his first career triple double last year and had 3+ games where he almost reached that stat. Before he was pulled out for the season due to toe injury, he was playing out of his mind. No denying that.
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Enough of the past.
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Present Day 2009: Stephen Jackson
In case you've been living under a rock and you haven't been paying attention to the Warriors the last few weeks, I'll sum it all up for ya with a few links.
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Rumor: Three-way Warriors, Mavericks, and Bobcats trade "brewing" centering around Monta Ellis
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Stephen Jackson fined $25,000 by NBA: Does it go straight into Kobe’s marketing fund? [Talking Points]
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GSOM Night Tickets Are On Sale (Cheap advertisement)
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Warriors delay sending first-rounder to Nets [Yahoo! Sports]
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Warriors President Robert Rowell and GM Larry Riley Exclusive Evening with Season Ticket Holders
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Warriors Head Coach Don Nelson Speaks Before Training Camp 2009
No, things aren't good in Warrior Land. No denying that. They say pictures tell a 1,000 words. Take what you from this.
Jack wants one thing, and one thing only - to win. He wants another championship or at the very least playoffs. He knows its not guaranteed here, so he wants out. Is that so bad?
Don't we all want a championship? Don't we all want to see our team make the playoffs? Be honest with yourself - aren't you a little sick of this "rebuilding" business?
Think want you want about that potential Amar'e trade, but bringing him in almost guarantees to be close to those goals. Right now, we're staring at POTENTIAL - we have no idea whats Randolph, Wright, Curry and Morrow are going to develop. Amar'e was an All Star - that's for sure.
Let me get this right, you're going to get mad at the guy for the extension he signed? That's not his stupidity, that's Rowell's. As Jack said the other day,
Well, who's going to turn down that money? It's only right. I'm not stupid. I mean, I didn't go to college but I've got a lot of common sense. I'm not going to turn down that money.
I'm 31 years old now. My contract will be up when I'm 35. So that was a good position for me. I've got to look out for myself before anybody else does. I think it was the right decision for me and my family.
I'm definitely appreciative of it. But at the same time, I've got to look out for myself, because nobody else will.
It's not his fault he got offered a ton of money. He signed it sure, but that didn't mean he couldn't demand a trade afterwards. It's called being a business man.
One last thing - that fine for saying he wanted to get traded? That was basically the most unfair fine ever. Anyone want to help me write a letter to Commissioner Stern asking why he didn't fine Kobe when he demanded a trade? So far I have,
"Dear Commissioner Stern,
Why do you hate the Warriors so? Why did you fine Stephen Jackson? Why didn't you fine Kobe Bryant? Is it because of the brawl? Is it because of the tats? Or is it because you hate the Warriors and everyone involved with them?
I hope you enjoyed those Nike LeBron-Kobe Puppet commercials. That NBA Finals series worked out really well, didn't?
Your pal,
R Dizzle"
Predicting 2009-2010: Stephen Jackson
Peace out Cap'n Jack.
I don't want to dive too much into this quite yet, but it looks like the inevitable is about to happen.
You ever been in a relationship, a friendship, or a partnership of some sort and know that it's about to end? Ever have that feeling? You want it to change, you want to do something, and you're willing to try anything. But you know you have no control. It's like the Sopranos - it's over.
Losing your favorite player on your team is just about the hardest thing in the world. Let's just say I'm not taking all this Stephen Jackson very well.
I'll save the memories and the emo moments til I write the piece when he leaves, but let me go on record by saying this.
I'm going to miss you on the Warriors Stephen Jackson.
I'll leave you with some Walt Whitman
O Captain my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
The ship has weathered every rack, the prize we sought is won,
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up--for you the flag is flung for you the bugle trills,
For you bouquets and ribboned wreaths for you the shores a-crowding,
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head!
It is some dream that on the deck,
You've fallen cold and dead.
My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still;
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;
The ship is anchored safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;
From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
But I, with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
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OK R.D I just got to say
That poem was FANtastic. Very cleaver.
This house is full of m, m, madness!
This house is full of m, m, mistakes!
by qin on Oct 2, 2009 7:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I’m publishing a CD called “Golden State of Rhymes.”
This will be on in it as well as well as my new single “Golden State of Mind” sampling the beat from Jay-Z’s Empire State of Mind. I got Keyshia Cole to sing the chorus.
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by R Dizzle on Oct 2, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very cleaver.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 2, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont get it
This house is full of m, m, madness!
This house is full of m, m, mistakes!
by qin on Oct 2, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cleaver family
from an old 50’s TV show, Leave It to Beaver
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 2, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too cleaver by half… ;-P
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 2, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a nicer guy than I am, R Dizzle
I’ve dropped all support and respect for Jack now. Losing has brought out his real colors. He’s nothing more than a spoiled, self serving, egotistical brat who acts like it is his right to be on a championship contending team. You know the old saying: It’s easy to look good when everything is going right. The true test of character is how you respond when things go wrong. Stephen Jackson is a fake and a failure in that regard. He’s like the bandwagon fan who only shows up when a team’s winning.
Jason Richardson went through many years of losing with us, yet he kept chugging along. Jamal Crawford has never been to the playoffs, yet he keeps chugging along. I continue to support them and wish them the best. Jackson proclaims he’s ready to be a leader for our young team for the next few years, then 9 months later wants out. Pfft. Sorry, you get nothing from me.
All I want out of Jack while he’s still here is to get on the court, run the plays, play defense, and then get off my TV. I don’t want any interviews with him, I don’t care what he says anymore. Do your job and go. You’re not the leader you said you were.
Nice read, btw. Got a rec from me.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 2, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
difference between jack and j-rich
The Warriors used to be good and had a great future when Jackson first came on the team, but now he’s noticed that the franchise doesn’t know how to maintain a winning atmosphere. All they’ve been doing is taking steps backwards, constantly proving how much they don’t know how to manage money and players. Jackson knows we’re a potential playoff team, but even if we make the postseason he can’t trust the FO with their crazy decision making. There’s a reason the Warriors haven’t made it to the postseason in 14 of the last 15 seasons. If the Warriors make it to the playoffs this season, they might end up making stupid moves again.
It was different with J-Rich because the Warriors were already a sucky team when he first got here in 2001. The only way to go was up, so he didn’t have the experience of once being a great team, and then seeing the FO ruin it all by breaking the team up with no significant plans. He got traded before he got to experience the complete downfall.
Jason was also very young during these years, he didn’t feel like he was wasting his time here, because he himself was improving year by year. He wasn’t in his prime, and it helped him have patience because he knew he had a lot of good years ahead of him. Chris Mullin was also steadily improving, and helped pair Jason up with Baron, which gave J-Rich more hope that the Warriors were actually getting somewhere. With Jackson, it just kept getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse in Golden State.
What a shocker that players are getting frustrated for being on a losing franchise who’s last championship was generations ago, also missing the postseason in 14 of the last 15 seasons and consistently makes bad decisions in the front office. Seriously, what a shocker.
by Precise Films Productions on Oct 2, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m really not sure what your point is. Are you saying we shouldn’t be pissed when someone publicly demands a trade from the Warriors since we haven’t gone to the playoffs much lately?
By that rationale, we should be ok with everybody on the warriors biding their time here unhappily, counting the days until they get traded/hit free agency?
That is exactly the reason that Jack needs to go. It is going to be very tough to carve out a new, winning identity when you have players around (in this case, the fricken captain of the team) that don’t believe in the ability of the team to play well.
by randolphforpresident on Oct 2, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
R-dizzle, please ignore your man-crush on Jack for a minute. On any NBA team, no matter how much they suck, someone is going to put up numbers that at least on the surface appear good: 20 points, 5 assists, 5 rebounds. On the surface, those are decent numbers. If you even bother to look at efficiency though, its pretty clear Jack hurts the team more than he helps it. (If you’ve read any statistical analysis of his numbers from last year, multiple experts have pointed out that compared to other players who took a similar amount of shots, he was one of the most inefficient players in the NBA.)
You act like this anti-Jack sentiment only has to do with his recent trade request and imply that nobody had a problem with his performance on the team in 08-09.
A lot of Warriors fans I know, including myself, got so sick of the constant turnovers and iso’s at the top of the key by Jack (not to mention his at times atrocious D, and constant techs) that we started to boo him whenever he touched the ball.
Now, after he just signed a severly bloated contract, he feels entitled to be traded to a winning franchise? Comparing his contract to Jordans in terms of how tradeable it is? You almost have to feel sorry for him. He has radically misjudged how good of a player he is. If we can’t dump Jack on somebody by the beginning of the season, I really hope he gets nothing but boos this season.
by randolphforpresident on Oct 2, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ok..
I’ll admit to my “man-crush” (that’s not what it is, but we can roll with that terminology) about Jack. But…take your points a step further before you dismiss what I say.
On any NBA team, no matter how much they suck, someone is going to put up numbers that at least on the surface appear good: 20 points, 5 assists, 5 rebounds.
Who did that on the lower tier NBA teams? Clippers? Kings? Timberwolves? Grizzlies? Wizards? Knicks?
If you even bother to look at efficiency though, its pretty clear Jack hurts the team more than he helps it. (If you’ve read any statistical analysis of his numbers from last year, multiple experts have pointed out that compared to other players who took a similar amount of shots, he was one of the most inefficient players in the NBA.)
I don’t really doubt you on that – Jack wasn’t very efficient. You’re right, I didn’t state those numbers..so what are they? Who are these multiple “experts” and who did they compare them to?
You act like this anti-Jack sentiment only has to do with his recent trade request and imply that nobody had a problem with his performance on the team in 08-09.
Obviously recent events exacerbated those feelings toward Jack, but for the most part, fans wanted him here rather than somewhere else. Those ridiculous shots were painful, but also the greatest feeling when they came in.
All I’m saying – give me those numbers if you’re going to make those claims.
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by R Dizzle on Oct 2, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To your first point: Yeh, and how many players on those teams had the kind of autonomy that Jack had on the warriors? He touched the ball on every possession and had free reign to hoist up transition threes/ run iso’s from the top of the key whenever he wanted.
Secondly, how many ran the kind of no-defense run and gun style that is going to boost the “star” players ppg/assist numbers.
Because of this style of play, its easier to compare Jack’s numbers with other “stars” from run and gun offenses.
Jack took almost 17 shots a game last year, with around 5.2 of them being 3’s.
Numbers: 20.7, 5.1, 6.5.
Al Harrington (a player from one of your listed teams that I would consider to be on a run and gun offense)
Numbers: 20.7, 6.3, 1.4. (on almost the exact same number of shots/game, with around 6.5 3’s per game)
The only difference in their numbers is assists, and its easy to see why Jack would have better assist numbers. Nelly basically decided that Jack was going to be his pointguard last year, allowing him to have the ball in his hands most of the game, despite his atrocious amount of turnovers.
You think a lot of Knick fans think of Harrington as a keystone kind of player? Looking at his numbers you might, but to my point, somebody on every NBA team is going to put up solid-looking numbers, no matter how bad the team is.
About your second point, I was just reading an article several days ago (on Yahoo I believe) analyzing Jack’s numbers. I swore there was a fanpost up about it as well, but I can’t find it right now. Anyways, I’ll look for it more later, but believe me, it exists, and its not pretty.
by randolphforpresident on Oct 2, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who did that on the lower tier NBA teams?
You mean the OTHER lower tier teams? We were pretty close to the bottom.
"Who are these multiple "experts" " Haha, Guys who can’t play! Trying to tell those who can play that they are no good?
“for the most part, fans wanted him here”
Yeah ,I remember when he made a pair of rainbow threes in a row to put the dagger in the Lakers. I still want Jax here.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 2, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen.
The probability that you just read my signature: 1
by girltothemax on Oct 3, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work on this piece man
I will add that I don’t buy that Stephen Jackson simply wants to win any more than your average NBA player. If he really cared so much about winning, he wouldn’t have signed onto a long term deal with an obvious loser ran by 2 big time losers (Robert Rowell and Chris Cohan).
Look Jack signed up for The Suck well after Baron Davis and Jason Richardson were gone- that’s on him. He’s the last person to complain about being stuck on a loser. If he was so legitimately bothered by the losing last season he should’ve blamed his newfound tantrum buddy Monta Ellis.
If he was an expiring contract this year he would’ve been extremely easy to move to a winner for a playoff run. After the season he could’ve latched on to a veteran team. He’s getting what he signed up for. His trade request is completely silly and unprofessional. I love how he’s re-writing We Believe too and overstated his impact on this franchise’s brief turnaround.
I’d expect a contract buyout before a trade.
Golden State of Mind :: Always keeping it... "Unstoppable Baby!"
by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 2, 2009 8:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m 31 years old now. My contract will be up when I’m 35. So that was a good position for me. I’ve got to look out for myself before anybody else does. I think it was the right decision for me and my family.
He’s right, though, that was probably his only chance to get that kind of a contract, so he took it. Like Jack says, he isn’t stupid, and I have to agree with him. I might have done the exact same thing he did if I was in his place. Just because we have an emotional attachment to our team and players doesn’t mean we should ignore the fact that for the players it’s as much a business as it is for the owners. The bottom line maters, and from that perspective Jack had a business offer he couldn’t turn down (signing up for “The Suck” as you like to call it).
I’ve said this in the past, given that I think Jack will stay, as long as he goes out and plays hard for us I’ll continue to root for him and cheer him. He can say whatever he wants, all that matters to me is what he does on the court.
by Missing Barry on Oct 2, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not knocking him for taking that contract that Rowell was dumb enough and oddly proud to give him. Not at all.
But to complain about it a year later and request a trade doesn’t show much integrity. He went after the money over winning. There’s nothing wrong with that- he made what he thought was the “the right decision for [him] and [his] family”. So why is he trying to claim he’s all about the winning now? That’s fraudulent.
Golden State of Mind :: Always keeping it... "Unstoppable Baby!"
by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 2, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obiously both money and winning are desirable, and at times there’s a tradeoff between the two. I just see this as Jack trying to maximize both his money and his winning (with the money coming first)…and I just don’t see anything too wrong with that. If this works out for him (which I do not think it will), at that point I think one point we can’t argue is that he did manage to maximize both his money and his winning….
by Missing Barry on Oct 2, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you his agent?
He signed on the dotted line for a known loser. He got paid handsomely (nothing wrong with that). Now he’s complaining (something wrong with that). The fact that he’s playing for a loser for the foreseeable future is his fault and no one else’s (although you can lay some blame on Monta Ellis for last season). His integrity in this situation is lacking.
This is an (extremely) rare situation where the Warriors organization could not have treated a player any better. Around this time last year right after he signed his contract Jack was signing praises for the Warriors and how happy was going to be watching the youth grow. What’s changed other than his tantrum?
Golden State of Mind :: Always keeping it... "Unstoppable Baby!"
by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 2, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually think the core of the problem is Jackson being impatient. I think management promised him ‘big’ moves during this off season (Amare) and none have been accomplished yet.
I still believe that a big trade could be brewing. We have accumulated some desirable expiring contracts and a first round pick that we can use in combination with Andris to TRY to land someone. I know it’s never a good thing to put stock into what our management will end up doing, but personally I’m still trying to stay patient hoping for a big move (Bosh).
If a big move doesn’t happen, I’ll be in the same boat as SJax. Maybe Ellison can hurry up and just buy the dubs!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 2, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Around this time last year right after he signed his contract Jack was signing praises for the Warriors and how happy was going to be watching the youth grow. What’s changed other than his tantrum?
Probably the running off of TMNT and then Jamal , then no Amare trade was the straw that broke the captn’s back? Being the only vet on a team of kiddies can be frustrating. He realized this team had no commitment to winning now and was aiming solely toward getting folks in the seats for 48 minutes to watch potential?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 2, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the running off of TMNT
This was well under way before Jack signed his extension. I get that it factors in to his thinking, but it is revisionist history to say that it happened after Jackson’s extension when it had been brewing all offseason and Harrington had publicly voiced his desire to be traded before the year began. The trade may have been finalized a few days after the contract was signed, but Jackson knew his buddy – who was “injured” at the time – was already gone.
by toddaverth on Oct 2, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you his agent?
Nah, I just don’t believe players have any additional loyalty towards a team than the team has towards the player. I get it, we’re fans and we get emotionally attached to players and feel they owe us the loyalty we give them – but the truth is they’re part of a business where the team owns their rights and can trade them against their will as they see fit, so I see no reason they can’t try to force a trade to another team if that’s what’s in their best interest.
I don’t see a lack of integrity. Jack does have a contract with the Warriors – they have to pay him, and for that he has to show up and play hard, and if he isn’t doing that, I can agree he’s at odds with the contract he signed. But simply wanting to get traded is not a breach of integrity, it’s exercising a power we, the fans, have no problem letting an organization exercise. I have yet to see anything that convinces me a player lacks integrity for trying to play that game, too.
As for what’s changed…well, 48 wins and 29 wins are a pretty big change I would say….
by Missing Barry on Oct 2, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade demands
Trade demands are nearly meaningless – in that a player has no power to make a trade happen – unless they effect the team’s play on the court. Other than deliberately not trying, being a PR or chemistry problem is the only stick the player has. But think about it, doing any one of those things is a breach of contract; playing basketball with and for the team to the best of their ability – while representing the team (hence Media Day, required interviews, etc.) – is what the player is contracted to do. Expressing a desire to be traded isn’t fulfilling that obligation. Demanding a trade certainly isn’t fulfilling that obligation. Nobody forced Jackson to sign that extension and take the money. It is dishonest to be unwilling to live up to what he promised to do to earn it.
The fact that a team has the right to trade a player – a right the player agreed to in advance unless they negotiated a “no trade” clause – does not factor in to the question at all (unless you are arguing the the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement is somehow unfair and exploitative. Somehow I doubt that is what you are saying.)
by toddaverth on Oct 2, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But think about it, doing any one of those things is a breach of contract
Well, if you really want to get technical about it….I’m going to have to admit I have no idea what his contract actually says. I still don’t believe that anything Jack has said to this point (assuming he plays with as much effort as he would have without having said anything, an assumption I’m very comfortable with) will have any effect on the Warriors W-L record. In that case, I just don’t see how asking for a trade isn’t fulfilling any obligations. If there’s something in the contract that says “I will not publicly demand a trade”, then yeah, I’ll take it back…..
by Missing Barry on Oct 2, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His contract is much like this one. The player-conduct clauses are standard.
Jackson was fined for publicly requesting a trade because the commissioner, who has grand power over these things, said he should be fined, as detailed in his contract. His contract says he has to be loyal to the team. I don’t know if requesting a trade violates that, but I suspect many would interpret it as such. The contract also says he can’t do anything materially detrimental to the team or the league. Publicly saying the team is going nowhere and saying he wants out because of that? I can see how reasonable people would say that this is detrimental as well. The Uniform Player Contract also says he’s bound to the NBA Constitution, which unlike the CBA, seems to be a nebulous and secret document under Stern’s watchful eye.
by jae on Oct 2, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm….player conduct does seem to cover more things and be more vague than I would have guessed…
by Missing Barry on Oct 2, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not entirely unsympathetic to what you are saying though
I can’t imagine that anyone gets to be a NBA veteran without having a strong competitive desire that compels them to win; certainly Jackson exhibits such emotion. I also can’t imagine anyone turning down the type of money Jackson was offered when all it requires is doing something they love doing anyway, provided they can even remotely rationalize away the reasons why it might not work out as well as initially hoped. Further, I can see how a guy like Jackson sees himself as a basketball player who is asked to play basketball, but not so much as a team representative. I can see how last November things looked like they weren’t so bad and the team could make something happen, even if that year was going to be hard. Then, with the way things didn’t work with Crawford, the cumulative impact of losing so many games, the drama surrounding Ellis’ contract, the rest-a-vet program, the trading of Crawford, the near trade for Stoudamire, time spent with his buddy Harrington, and talk of rebuilding from the Warriors, I can see how Jackson might feel betrayed; like getting out (or at least speaking up and ruffling some feathers) was the best option (or at least justified.)
Judging by Jackson’s comment about the Amar’e trade on Media Day, I expect the lack of a move to add a big name is what really set him off, the rest of it he’d been able to put up with ‘till then. The bad thing about that is it illustrates one of the major flaws in Jackson’s game; he undervalues guys like Biedrins and Randolph, maybe even Morrow, so he doesn’t give the ball to them when he should. The nice thing about that is, provided Jackson works as hard as he says he will and I expect him too, there’s a good chance that the Warriors big men show him they are already what he thinks the team needs. My solution, play Jackson about 30 minutes a game (instead of almost 40) and for the other 18 park an assistant right next to him pointing out all the good things the big men and young guns are doing. Give him every reason to believe again.
by toddaverth on Oct 2, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially..
when this year is looking to be a better year than last
by blacksamurai33 on Oct 2, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. He had two options: he could take the money, and probably be on a losing team, or not take the money, and probably be traded to a winner. He took the first option. Now, like a child, he has decided that he wants the best of both worlds, and is prepared to publicly emberass the warriors to get it.
by randolphforpresident on Oct 2, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, Jack will be around at the end of the year. Nobody else wants him enough to make a trade happen. We’re stuck with him, whether you think that’s a good or bad thing.
by Missing Barry on Oct 2, 2009 8:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I still like Jackson
While Jackson should probably keep his mouth shut, make no mistake, this all first and foremost originates from the lame ass management. It’s harder to stay motivated when you think your leaders don’t care or are incompetent.
by yobo on Oct 2, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Great review btw. All that time sitting in front of the mirror has paid off
you are a poet instead of a comedian, who’d a guessed?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 2, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
a young team needs leader
True, but was he the right kind of leader? Judging by how his son Monta turned out – I say no. If you want a leader go sign David Robinson – look what a team player his boy Duncan turned out to be be. I’ll go further and say that by allowing Jackson to be a leader serious damage was done to the Warriors future. Get him out of here before he can poison any more of the bright young talent. And quit turning the ball over times a game damnit! Other than that I always liked Jackson…
BLING BLING
by cybermaldonado on Oct 2, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And quit turning the ball over times a game damnit!
Someday I will buy a keyboard on which the #five key actually works.
BLING BLING
by cybermaldonado on Oct 2, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone can change their mind
Jackson chose not to keep his thoughts confidential—it’s his personality to let those feelings out, as we know well. Would it really surprise us if he has another change of heart if the team gets to the playoffs, and he says how happy he is to be proven wrong?
At least we got confirmation that he has six kids; we already knew he married the mom of the youngest over the summer, after canceling their wedding a couple of years ago. ’Twas also informative that Nelson offered to try to trade him last year, because he knew the team would not be a winner in the near term. In the context of what the coach has done and said subsequently, it would seem to indicate that Nelson is prepared to husband the team through its reformation.
by the.monk on Oct 2, 2009 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I blame this all on Al Harrington!!!!!
If Al was still a warrior sjax would be fine. But his best homie is gone and when he said what he said he was in New York with guess who, Al Harrington! But why is AL gone? Oh ya, he thought he was the best player on the team! Not quite buddy. I know it s hard to stay faithful that the Dubs will be a good team but i have to like the defensive emphasis the coaches are stressing in training camp. And the fact that Monta is unsure about playing with Curry because of defensive liabilities. It definately looks like they are understanding that DEFENSE will get them to the playoffs. I would bet anyone on here that the Dubs lead the league in blocked shots this year and are a top 10 team in the steals dept. Nellieball requires us to have more posessions than the opposing team on a nightly basis. We win the turnover battle and we will win a lot of games. Cant wait till the season starts. Lets go Warriors!
by pre10d on Oct 2, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Blame it on the Turtle
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
by mykelala01 on Oct 2, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just win
Jack isn’t going anywhere. No one wants that contract and GS isn’t likely to be sweetening the deal. He is a good player. If the dubs can play 500 ball, we’ll probably be seeing nothing but smiles from him.
Does anyone wonder if Jack really feels as strongly as his words indicate? Was he just boozed up and fresh off a long weekend with Al hearing a lot of Warrior hate? He opens his mouth, gets quoted when he mistakenly thought he was with friends, and now is just too damn proud to eat his words. Maybe.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by fotd on Oct 2, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You know, being a bit of Jackson fanboy (of his personality if not his game), I gave him the same benefit of the doubt when I first heard the comments. Sometimes you put your heart on your sleeve when your remarks are off the cuff. Yet the fact that a couple weeks later he has still refused to backtrack, apologize, or explain his patently unprofessional comments even slightly has basically erased all benefit of doubt. Only logical conclusion I can draw is that he’s less of a mensch and a lot more of a hypocrite than I had imagined. SInce my appreciation of him was about 90% bound up in his “intangibles” (leadership, charisma, integrity, etc.) there’s just not a lot left for me to appreciate about him.
Main hope here, barring a trade, is that he chills out, accepts the reduced 30-minute role Nellie has hinted at, focuses on crisp ball movement, defense, and knocking down the occasional open three, and doesn’t set any kind of a bad example for the kids. If he starts making scenes and setting bad examples for the kids … well, we may have start looking at ways to cut our losses (working out the terms of a buyout, taking on a less productive but less poisonous player in a trade, stapling a player with value like Wright or Kelenna to him in a trade, etc.)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 2, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nellie'll be gone first
What we’re watching is the critical phase in the virulence of Don Nelson’s patented influence on team chemistry. The virus is no longer dormant.
Between Jackson’s extension and Nelson’s, which decision was the more questionable? One of them is a loose cannon. The other’s a coach who has an incredible record of not lashing cannons down, across several jobs now.
When Anthony Randolph has some sort of acting out incident with the next coach, that’s just part of the cycle. Embrace it. You’re a Warriors fan.
by feral on Oct 3, 2009 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
last year I finally
Bought Jackson jersey then this year he wanted to be traded, a year before that Jackson jersey was hard to find. All you can find on every store I went is Davis or Wright on his rookie days. So I settle for Davis the season after that he sign with Clippers. I wonder whos jersey I might buy this year? probably Magette if my jersey buying jinks work he might be traded next season.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
by mykelala01 on Oct 2, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder whos jersey I might buy this year? probably Magette if my jersey buying jinks work he might be traded next season.
Buy a Curr-bury then maybe we’ll get a trade?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 2, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jack wants one thing, and one thing only – to win. He wants another championship or at the very least playoffs. He knows its not guaranteed here, so he wants out. Is that so bad?
I want a championship too, maybe I shouldn’t be a Warriors’ fan.
by sanjoaquinvalley on Oct 3, 2009 12:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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