To the Stephen Jackson haters. Ric Bucher of ESPN explains the LA blow up

by Manute Said So on Oct 23, 2009 5:56 PM PDT Comment 30 comments

Stop hating Stephen Jackson people! It should be Nellie you should be hating. Here's Ric Bucher's take on the whole thing:

"That was nothing short of an intentional attempt to get him to go off his rocker. Here they are, preparing for a season, a squad full of young, talented but impressionable players and you antagonize a guy who already doesn’t want to be on your team? Anyone who knows Jack knows if you let him get punked by Kobe and a bunch of replacement refs, make no attempt to argue any of the calls with the refs or call a timeout to settle him down or sub him out to cool off, he’s going to explode. Five fouls and a technical later, he erupts on the bench and we’re surprised? Don’t like the way he’s playing Kobe? OK, pull him before something bad happens. I challenge anyone to give me an example of a coach allowing his team leader to pick up five fouls and a T in the first quarter without moving a muscle. This wasn’t Hack-a-whatever with a scrub. *Any* veteran player would’ve been upset under those circumstances. They might not have gone berserk, but they would’ve felt abandoned, for sure. Nelson isn’t that stupid; quite the contrary, as I said earlier, he has a great grasp on how players think. It’s appalling to me that anyone — I mean, anyone — would suggest that Nelson wasn’t anything short of willfully negligent in allowing that whole episode to happen. Hey, blame Jackson if you’d like, but it’s like whacking a pit bull on the nose and being shocked he bit you. Or blame Rowell for signing him to an extension, which gives Jack a freedom to act out he might not otherwise have. But Jackson’s temperament and his contract are two things that aren’t going to change. Not rattling his cage to get him to blow up and make it even harder to move him, that is something you can avoid. And that’s what makes the whole episode so embarrassing."

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this is not the reason I don’t like Stephen Jackson anymore
I haven’t liked him since he started making stupid comments every interview after the trade request about how good he thinks he is and has been making the team look bad
he should have just kept it internal and you can say its the media bringing it up but he still should have kept his mouth shut

by 49erEmpire on Oct 23, 2009 6:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

Can I hate both of them?

That happened after Jackson had already asked for a trade. The really bad part about it is that it would seem to hurt Jacksons trade value and I can’t understand why Nellie would want to do that. Also, as Bucher pointed out, the real victims of that selfish (on both sides) incident were the young players on the team (and by extension the fans) who had to watch their two leaders acting like little kids.

Amy Mainzer my brain thinks your brain is HOT!

by cybermaldonado on Oct 23, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think it was kind of like, you aren’t supporting us, so I’m not going to support you, Jack. Seemed like a reasonable response. It was Jackson that stabbed Nellie and his teammates in the back, and then he gets mad when they aren’t particularly helpful? Why should they be motivated to help him out in that particular situation? I thought he needed some humbling. Instead, he just got angry and hate-filled, which is the wrong response, either way.

Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.

by Naticus2 on Oct 23, 2009 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Seriously

People are getting WAYYY TOO BUTTHURT over this Stephen Jackson situation. Like i’ve been saying recently: people got to the point where they would probably still hate on Jack even if he saved someone’s life.

I’m not mad at Jack for saying what he said about this team. This franchise is an absolute joke and an embarassment. We haven’t made the Playoffs in 14 of the last 15 seasons, and even when we were set up for a great future (ie ‘94 ROY C-Webb and ’07 Warriors) we still managed to find a way to ruin it. This team just doesn’t know how to win, and if they get lucky enough to win they don’t know how to maintain the success; it’s no coincidence that players don’t want to play here. Get it to your heads, we aren’t special, don’t expect players to give respect to our team when we’re garbage and poorly managed. Boohoo for you if you’re sad because someone said your team sucks.

And it’s not like I wouldn’t mind our players going crazy all the time. I do think that NBA Players should show some professionalism and composure, but right now it seems like Jackson has a point about our team. I would get extremely mad at a player complaining about Golden State, if we actually were a good team. In this case, a player is complaining about our team when it is true that we are a poorly run organization and haven’t proven that we can improve when put in a great situation. We just find a way to ruin our opportunities.

Jackson came here when the Warriors were a young Playoff team that was only an inside presence away from being a contender. For some reason, the FO decided to break up that playoff team without even giving them a chance to play a full season together, and we’ve been going downhill ever since. Of course Jackson is going to get frustrated, all this team has been doing is getting worse.

You might say, “Well look at where we are now. We have a future superstar in Anthony Randolph. We also have great young players like Monta, Biedrins, Curry and Morrow. This team obviously knew what they were doing when they broke up the We Believe team”.

I’m happy that we have a great future, but it’s not like we broke up a playoff team expecting to get a future superstar with a late lottery pick. It’s not like we broke up that team expecting to get the best 3pt shooter in the league as an undrafted player. That shows that even though we’re in a good position for the future, it’s only based on luck and not great planning/management. The team still hasn’t shown that they can make good moves. What exactly was the plan that management had when they decided to break up a great team?

But it’s whatever. I’d be content with whatever happens to Jack, whether he stays in Golden State or not. He’s still our best man-to-man defender, a great playmaker (when he’s not dribbling too much), an emotional leader (which helps to get other players pumped up off the energy), and our most clutch shooter. I still appreciate Stephen Jackson, even if he doesn’t respect our team anymore.

Only the Warriors could be in a situation like this. He “was once” a great guy, but we couldn’t handle the success back then and ruined it all.

I know i’m going to get a lot of heated responses (and most likely some witty sarcastic posts from the intellectual comedians here), but this team really does suck and i’m not surprised that a player has the balls to admit it. His comments are making our team look bad? It’s not like we ever had a good reputation in the first place. It’s like seeing the ugliest girl in the world and telling people she’s ugly when everyone already knew that.

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by Precise Films Productions on Oct 23, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs

People are getting WAYYY TOO BUTTHURT over this Stephen Jackson situation.

Homophobic term aside: it’s natural for a fan to react a bit emotionally when the captain of his or her favorite team selfishly demands a trade on the cusp of what looks to be a promising season. I’m not sure you’re really in the best position to judge, PFP, given that there may not be another poster on this board whose posts sound as consistently hysterical, dramaqueen-ish and, er, “butthurt” as yours.

Like i’ve been saying recently: people got to the point where they would probably still hate on Jack even if he saved someone’s life.

The fact that you’ve been saying it recently doesn’t make it true. Indeed, I’m pretty sure you know it isn’t true. If you have actually been saying it recently (I can’t say for sure, since your posts are generally so repetitive, hysterical and hyperbolic I tend to ignore them) it only shows that you care more about scoring cheap points than speaking the truth.

I’m not mad at Jack for saying what he said about this team.

Nor is anyone here, I suspect. It’d be rather tough to be mad at him “for saying what he said he about the team” when he didn’t say much of anything about the team.

We haven’t made the Playoffs in 14 of the last 15 seasons, and even when we were set up for a great future (ie ‘94 ROY C-Webb and ’07 Warriors) we still managed to find a way to ruin it. This team just doesn’t know how to win, and if they get lucky enough to win they don’t know how to maintain the success; it’s no coincidence that players don’t want to play here.

Zzzzz. You know there are other Warriors fans on this board, right? But thanks for the breaking news report.

Get it to your heads, we aren’t special, don’t expect players to give respect to our team when we’re garbage and poorly managed. Boohoo for you if you’re sad because someone said your team sucks.

Remind me again who’s boo-hoo-hoo-ing?

And it’s not like I wouldn’t mind our players going crazy all the time. I do think that NBA Players should show some professionalism and composure

Haha. Good to know.

but

Uh-oh…

right now it seems like Jackson has a point about our team.

Point being … that he’s a selfish whiner who signed a lucrative contract to be the team leader for the next four years? A contract he signed when the team was in much worse shape than it is right now (Baron and JRich gone, Monta down with moped-itis, no sign that either of the Anthonys would blow up the way they did, no Stephen Curry)?

I would get extremely mad at a player complaining about Golden State, if we actually were a good team.

Because clearly it was written into the terms of his three-year extension that if the team had one bad year (one bad year for which he was partly responsible) he was expected to whine to the press and demand to be traded.

Jackson came here when the Warriors were a young Playoff team that was only an inside presence away from being a contender. For some reason, the FO decided to break up that playoff team without even giving them a chance to play a full season together, and we’ve been going downhill ever since. Of course Jackson is going to get frustrated, all this team has been doing is getting worse.

As you know, the team got better the second year he was here — not that that should keep you from making the same tired every other time you post. More importantly: you still seem unclear on the fact that when Jack signed his contract extension, “We Believe” was already dead and buried. If your moaning about the death of We Believe were relevant at all, Jack shouldn’t have signed the extension.

I’m happy that we have a great future, but it’s not like we broke up a playoff team expecting to get a future superstar with a late lottery pick. It’s not like we broke up that team expecting to get the best 3pt shooter in the league as an undrafted player. That shows that even though we’re in a good position for the future, it’s only based on luck and not great planning/management. The team still hasn’t shown that they can make good moves. What exactly was the plan that management had when they decided to break up a great team?

Haha. Your other lame, oft-repeated canard. You still haven’t explained why Cavs and Magic fans should resent their respective teams’ damnable good fortune when they lucked into Dwight Howard and LeBron. Maybe you should consider getting over it and being happy with what you have?

I know i’m going to get a lot of heated responses

D’oh! ;-)

this team really does suck

Again, stop the presses.

i’m not surprised that a player has the balls to admit it.

Again, where were those legendary balls when he willingly and enthusiastically signed a contract to stay with the suck?

His comments are making our team look bad? It’s not like we ever had a good reputation in the first place. It’s like seeing the ugliest girl in the world and telling people she’s ugly when everyone already knew that.

Haha. Actually, it’s not like that. It’s like marrying the ugliest girl in the world — buying her a ring, confessing true love, proposing, saying vows, etc. — and then a year later badmouthing her, cheating on her, and abandoning her because, well … she was ugly. ;-P

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 23, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs

I would get extremely mad at a player complaining about Golden State, if we actually were a good team.

Because clearly it was written into the terms of his three-year extension that if the team had one bad year (one bad year for which he was partly responsible) he was expected to whine to the press and demand to be traded.

I can’t +1 that enough. I mean, the whole response was pretty much dead on, but especially that part.

Thing A

by sam23 on Oct 24, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha. Actually, it’s not like that. It’s like marrying the ugliest girl in the world — buying her a ring, confessing true love, proposing, saying vows, etc. — and then a year later badmouthing her, cheating on her, and abandoning her because, well … she was ugly.

I couldn’t have said it any better. People making excuses for Jackson’s behavior because the FO is incompetent are completely missing the point. Jackson knew what the deal was when he went over his GM’s head to get his extension.

Don't worry about me Thurgood, I'll be fine. The robbery is what's important now.

by the guy on Oct 24, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s like marrying the ugliest girl in the world — buying her a ring, confessing true love, proposing, saying vows, etc. — and then a year later badmouthing her, cheating on her, and abandoning her because, well … she was ugly.

Haha, I think it’s more like marrying the flat chested girl who promised you she’d get some new big one’s then when the chance comes she gets a third little one. You’d have good reason to think you’d been punked.

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 25, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You don’t marry a girl based on how she’s going to change, because like having a team spend an extra 30 mil. on you, marriage is a big deal. Jack, like the rest of us, knows all too well that no one can predict the future. For all he knows, the Dubs are going to bring in the last piece that will make us great. But because he opened his big mouth, he is unlikely to be here long enough to enjoy it. Regardless, he made the commitment. He needs to follow through, even if the Dubs haven’t brought in that last piece yet.

Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.

by Naticus2 on Oct 25, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He needs to follow through, even if the Dubs haven’t brought in that last piece yet.

You don’t get that part about adding the third unnecessary little one did you?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 25, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So was that like a chix with dix reference? In the vast unfathomable absurdity of your mind it’s hard to tell.

Back on planet earth, the main people who have “punked” in the Jackson situation are gullible fans who interpret his loutish, immature, self-serving behavior as anything but.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 25, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

*

Actually, the main people who have been punk’d are the Warriors, for having committed to a pricy contract extension for the declining years of a mediocre player, principally on the assumption that he had intangible/leadership qualities that went beyond his mediocre production, and that he would return the team’s love, trust, and confidence in kind.

Jack himself is about as much of a victim in this as the husband who plots to leave his wife ’cos her breasts are too small.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 25, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So was that like a chix with dix reference?

Fail! Read it again. Amare was the promised enhancement, Curr-bury is the useless third boob. Jax was the mis-lead slob that fell for her line.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 26, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha. Yeah, I actually got that. Thing is, I’d rather have the “useless third boob” than the “promised enhancement.” And assuming we even had a real shot at Amare: If Jackson really thinks an overpaid, no-defense, mediocre-rebounding headcase is the magic bullet to cure the stupid ownership, erratic coaching, bad contracts, unmotivated play and culture of poor rebounding and defense that has plagued this team, he’s a lot dumber than I imagined. Bill Simmons summed up the “promised enhancement” pretty perfectly in his 2009-10 season preview:

And Amare …

I mean … Let’s see … repaired knee, repaired retina, six agents in six years, openly shopped for most of 2009, invisible defensively, seductively explosive offensively, one of the classic “he just doesn’t get it” guys, perceived to be better by the general public than he actually is … isn’t this the type of guy who sinks franchises and gets GMs fired? Would you want to give him a $75 million extension or contract offer? I sure wouldn’t. And how many teams make sense for him? I could see Chicago or Golden State … maybe.

I actually think Jackson’s smarter than to imagine that Amare’s the cure-all — that he’s just coming up with a convenient cover for his purely egotistical lust to ride the gravy train of a winning team. So he’s either being a clueless fool or a lying jerk — take your pick. “Victim” is not on the list. ;-P

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 26, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Homophobic term aside: it’s natural for a fan to react a bit emotionally when the captain of his or her favorite team selfishly demands a trade on the cusp of what looks to be a promising season. I’m not sure you’re really in the best position to judge, PFP, given that there may not be another poster on this board whose posts sound as consistently hysterical, dramaqueen-ish and, er, "butthurt" as yours.

Well did I say that it’s wrong for people to get mad at Jackson? I’m not saying that people have to agree with my opinion. People can get mad at Jackson all they want, that’s fine with me. I’m just expressing my opinion like everyone else is.

Also, i’m not JUDGING anyone. Sure, i’ll say someone is getting emo but that doesn’t mean I don’t like him/her. People can go ahead and say what they want, it’s not like i’m the poster police on here like you say I am. And the only reason you feel that my posts are “dramaqueen-ish” is because my opinion is opposite than yours. If I made a long post with the same opinion as you, you’d be like, “OMG you’re right”.

The fact that you’ve been saying it recently doesn’t make it true. Indeed, I’m pretty sure you know it isn’t true. If you have actually been saying it recently (I can’t say for sure, since your posts are generally so repetitive, hysterical and hyperbolic I tend to ignore them) it only shows that you care more about scoring cheap points than speaking the truth.

I never said it was true. I say that since I feel that people hate on Jack a lot, so then I just put it out there for the hell of it. And you talk as if i’m suppose to care if you read my posts or not, who the hell are you? The celebrity of GSoM? I make my posts for whoever the hell wants to read them, I don’t have a list of people who I pray will read my comments. That’s why i’m so repetitive, I just keep saying what I want to say since I don’t care if some random person on the internet like you is keeping tallies on how many times I repeat myself. Trust me, I don’t need to impress people on an internet forum.

Nor is anyone here, I suspect. It’d be rather tough to be mad at him "for saying what he said he about the team" when he didn’t say much of anything about the team.

He wants to get traded. And people are getting mad because of that.

Zzzzz. You know there are other Warriors fans on this board, right? But thanks for the breaking news report.

Okay, so this is a Warriors website but I can’t post facts about the team? Sure, okay.

Point being … that he’s a selfish whiner who signed a lucrative contract to be the team leader for the next four years? A contract he signed when the team was in much worse shape than it is right now (Baron and JRich gone, Monta down with moped-itis, no sign that either of the Anthonys would blow up the way they did, no Stephen Curry)?

He went for the money. And yes he’s selfish but the team does have bad management so I aint mad at him for feeling that way. It’s not like i’m calling Jackson an innocent angel, I know what he’s doing wrong and unprofessionally. I just feel that he’s pissed because this team has been going downhill lately.

Because clearly it was written into the terms of his three-year extension that if the team had one bad year (one bad year for which he was partly responsible) he was expected to whine to the press and demand to be traded.

cool.

As you know, the team got better the second year he was here — not that that should keep you from making the same tired every other time you post. More importantly: you still seem unclear on the fact that when Jack signed his contract extension, "We Believe" was already dead and buried. If your moaning about the death of We Believe were relevant at all, Jack shouldn’t have signed the extension.

Good point about the team getting better the second season. But like I said he just went for the money.

Haha. Your other lame, oft-repeated canard. You still haven’t explained why Cavs and Magic fans should resent their respective teams’ damnable good fortune when they lucked into Dwight Howard and LeBron. Maybe you should consider getting over it and being happy with what you have?

Maybe because the Magic and Cavs SUCKED when they got the first pick? Dwight Howard and LeBron James are first overall picks from their drafts. When a team has the first pick, it’s mostly because they sucked that season, and that a first pick can only make them better.

With the Warriors, we were already a PLAYOFF TEAM when we started. And ended up going downhill. It’s a whole different story than the Cavs and Magic. And I never said that I don’t appreciate our youngsters. Morrow, Randolph, Curry, Monta etc. are the reasons why I still have faith in this team. Just because I say the team got lucky to get them doesn’t mean that I don’t appreciate them.

D’oh! ;-)

It’s funny, because I wrote that comment knowing that you’d be the first to respond and dissect my post. You tend to go on crusades against my posts. =]

Again, stop the presses.

What, so I can’t say that this team sucks? Is it against the rules? Okay how about this, “OMG Jack is an idiot! He’s so selfish we got a good young team but he’s still complaining”.

Yeah, i’m pretty sure you’d be fine with a statement like that.

Again, where were those legendary balls when he willingly and enthusiastically signed a contract to stay with the suck?

He thought we’d get better. But recently we haven’t been doing so well, so he’s not afraid to lose express how he’s losing trust in this team.

Haha. Actually, it’s not like that. It’s like marrying the ugliest girl in the world — buying her a ring, confessing true love, proposing, saying vows, etc. — and then a year later badmouthing her, cheating on her, and abandoning her because, well … she was ugly. ;-P

Marriage is supposed to last forever. A multi-year contract doesn’t.

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by Precise Films Productions on Oct 26, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jackson wasn’t going to play much anyways so he left him in.

He’s always had a temper and still takes bad shots and complains about every non call.

We are simply seeing sjax for what he really is and its ugly, and we remember all the good stuff. Of course – back 2 back 3pters beat the lakers – but were those shots really good shots or just luck?

by mosdl on Oct 23, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The "breakup" of the "We Believe" team

’07 Warriors… we still managed to find a way to ruin it.

Jackson came here when the Warriors were a young Playoff team that was only an inside presence away from being a contender. For some reason, the FO decided to break up that playoff team without even giving them a chance to play a full season together, and we’ve been going downhill ever since. Of course Jackson is going to get frustrated, all this team has been doing is getting worse.

A certain set of fans seems to share this – in my opinion very strange – view of events. They rail against the Warriors for breaking up the “We Believe” team, a they assert was just getting started with developing into a continual contender, one they may or may not admit was “only an inside presence away.” Let’s look at what the Warriors did:

Knowing they had no salary cap flexibility, they traded a big contract player at a position they already had a promising replacement for a promising young big man who might just grow in to the inside presence the team needed. They then proceeded to win 48 games and, in a ridiculously strong Western Conference, miss the playoffs. Not a bad sign really. In fact, a lot of people were very positive about where the Warriors were going as that season ended.

Due to the odd luck of the ’07-08 season, the Warriors drafted another player (or 2) with the potential to grow in to the inside presence the team needed. At this point, most of “We Believe” is still intact, but not for long.

In a quick succession of events:
1. Baron Davis, for reasons that are still unclear, but seem to relate to the Rowell-Mullin power struggle, didn’t get an extension and chose to opt out of the $17 million final year of his contract.
2. Warriors decide not to resign Pietrus and Barnes, who are getting better offers elsewhere (and hadn’t performed as well the previous year anyway.)
2. Warriors sign Corey Maggette to an over-priced contract.
3. Warriors also sign Turiaf and Azubukie to very good deals.
4. Warriors sign Ellis and Biedrins to extensions that pay them well, but are widely lauded as good deals.
5. Monta Ellis destroys his ankle.
6. Al Harrington decides he is tired of playing for Nelson and demands a trade, soon making those demand public.
7. Jackson, seeing everyone else get paid, asks for and gets an extension, negotiating directly with Rowell to get it.
8. Harrington’s trade demands are met by trading him to NY for Jamal Crawford.
9. The season proceeds poorly, as was expected when Baron opted out and Monta went down. This is exacerbated by injuries and Nelson’s quirky way of trying to find out who fits and who does not.

Please note:
1. Baron Davis opted to leave. He could have negotiated a smaller contract extension or stayed for one more year and then negotiated his deal.
2. Pietrus and Barnes left because they got better offers (including starting roles.)
3. Harrington clearly didn’t “Believe” anymore.
4. Jackson didn’t have to ask for an extension and, if he had any desire to play for a contender – whether on the Warriors or elsewhere – should not have asked for an extension. The extension is the thing preventing a trade right now and a big stumbling block for the Warriors future if he isn’t moved.

None of this excuses Rowell’s idiotic political infighting or some of the other front office mistakes, but clearly the “We Believe” team was a big part of dismantling the “We Believe” team. Blaming this all on the front office assumes that the front office should have done “whatever it takes” to keep the team together, which would have meant over paying players and offering multiple people the same starting roles. In the case of Harrington, it may not have been possible to keep him happy. Note that reality, with its scare resources and unexpected turns of events, makes this proposed route not just unreasonable, but impossible.

The Warriors front office made decisions that were calculated to do just what fans of the “We Believe” team claim to want – keep the team together and add a strong inside presence to allow them to go even farther (no amount of prejudice against Brandon Wright can change this fact.) Unfortunately, in the NBA, as in life, things don’t always go according to plan and people don’t always make the decisions you expect or would like. “We Believe” died, because of the front office? yes. But also because of the players.

Get over it and appreciate what you have.

by toddaverth on Oct 24, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs

The Plan

I have always thought the plan was to ride Baron for three years while they put together a better group of young guys. They have done the latter, and who would have guessed Baron would leave all that money on the table. Harrington, Barnes, and Jackson were brought in to play with Baron. They had less value after he left. That is except for Jackson who used the opportunity to step out. A lot of the other guys who are gone, Pietrus, and Bellini, Patrick O’Bryant—no big deal.

by Marques8 on Oct 26, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This has been mentioned elsewhere, but Stephen Jackson had 2 fouls in the 1st 8 or so minutes of that game. He then proceeded to lose it in the next minute, by smacking Kobe’s elbow away, shoving Fisher in the back, then raking Kobe across the arms.

Kobe actually elbows (not the “put your elbow on a player for defense” that Jack received) Randolph later in that same game and Randolph does not overreact.

A few days later versus the Clippers, posters over at WW noticed that Maggette had picked up 3 fouls in 7 minutes and a 4th in his 8th minute, but handled it like a veteran, played smart and picked up only 1 more foul in 17 more minutes.

If you consider it was a preseason game and Jack basically picks up 3 fouls in a little over a minute, you realize that the box score doesn’t tell the whole story.

If there was an agenda, common sense says Nelson probably did not want to take Jack out b/c (supposedly) 9 teams had scouts at that game scouting Jack. And vets know how to play with fouls.

by homer simpson on Oct 23, 2009 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs

+1 Homer

Ric Bucher is an idiot. Conspiracy to make Jack mad? He’s acting like this was the Gulf of Tonkin or Operation Valkyrie or something. “The Plot Against Cap’n.” Nellie was letting him play. Part of Jackson’s game is walking that line between intense competitor and total madman. Given that Jack doesn’t even always know which side of this he’s on, Nellie can’t be blamed for having initially missed the fact that he was going ALL the way dumb.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Oct 24, 2009 8:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Yea, it's all Nelson's fault...

Which is why it happens with other players who get trashed talked on the court… yea right.

by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Oct 24, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh yes

It’s Nellie’s fault Stephen Jackson behaves like a schlamiel because he “allowed” him to be punked by Kobe. So, Nellie didn’t go out of his way to coddle the fragile ego of a player who just asked for a trade just as a new season was about to begin, DESPITE the fact he just accepted an exorbitant contract extension. No accountability.

Let’s blame the coach. Bucher’s opinions on Nellie are his own unfounded projections. There’s nothing journalistic about them. But, blaming Nelson for a head case being a head case is so patently irresponsible.

Pathetic.

by Jeremy Belvins on Oct 24, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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There’s more drama with this franchise than a MTV reality show. I used to hate it but now I love it, how can you do anything but laugh at all this BS?

On another note I’d say the Oakland Coliseum and Oracle are cursed, they hold likely the 2 most dysfunctional sports franchise around, with the Warriors and Raiders. I’d say they A’s are cursed but they’re not that bad, they just suck without the drama.

by JRich4MVP on Oct 24, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Pit bulls won't bite you if you whack them on the nose...

… unless you have trained them to do so. Which nobody does. If they have been trained to fight other dogs, which all-too-sadly many pitties still are, they still won’t bite your hand if you whack ‘em. Not that I’m recommending that. See Bad Rap for a better look at these much-maligned sweeties. And while it might sound funny, Jack is more like a standard poodle – very smart, but unpredictable, socially awkward, and thus constantly getting into altercations with both humans and other digs.

Of course, it doesn’t sound so cool to say “Jack’s like a poodle” as it is to say “Jack’s like a pit bull,” even if it is more true.

by paris7 on Oct 25, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs

People like you are Psychotic

My daughter got half her nose bitten off by a friends “sweetie” as you call them, raise by them since a puppy and certainly not trained as an attack dog. They are not my friends anymore, nor is anyone who would own one of those dangerous animals.

Amy Mainzer my brain thinks your brain is HOT!

by cybermaldonado on Oct 26, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They are not my friends anymore, nor is anyone who would own one of those dangerous animals.

I agree, training can help their attitude but it can’t totally over ride their genetics, if it could we’d all be Lebron’s.
Owning a pitbull just to prove you can make then sociable is a questionable goal, if one wants a sweet dog there’s lots of better alternatives, with less chance of something bad happening.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 26, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN or the Enquirer?

So what is the difference between Ric Bucher and any blogger on this site? Bucher is getting paid to be a so called journalist.

by ajtrinc on Oct 25, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

It was a meaningless preseason game

I’m sure Nellie would have reacted had the game actually meant something. Sounds like Bucher has a history with Nellie and not a good one. Anybody who saw the game saw Jax melt down. How this is on Nellie is beyond me. Sometimes adults need to be adults and not be babysat.

by Larry_Smith on Oct 26, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Jackson Speaks Truth

Nelson would lie for a nickel..I would trust Jackson’s word over Nelsons any day..Remember Nelson backed Rowell over Mully who brought Nelson back from oblivion..This guy would sell his mother for $20 to a rapist..

by The Sear on Nov 7, 2009 5:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Toddoverth Get off The Crack Pipe Now

Appreciate what we have?? A dysfunctional mess where they lose at home by 30 to the Clippers..You must be in love with Cohan or something..Get off the crack pipe and get yourself into rehab, you need help for those hallucinations..

by The Sear on Nov 7, 2009 5:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs