Macro-Warriornomics - WE BELIEVE WE SUCK :: GSoM's 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Preview (Part 2 of 2)
Don't forget to check out Part I of our 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Preview super blowout special- Micro-Warriornomics
Macro-Warriornomics class is now in session...
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QUESTION:
How does a team go from this:
to this:
in less than a 2 years?
ANSWER: Four words- Chris. Cohan. Robert. Rowell.
Sure the WE SUCK movement is back in full effect for Cohan's Warriors, but that doesn't mean we're not looking forward to the start of the 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors campaign here in Dubs Land.
Jump to find out why WE SUCK is still going to be exciting!
2k8-2k9 Golden State Warriors Rewind
Last Year's Record: 29-53
After the wildly entertaining ups and downs and highs and ultimate highs of the 2006-2007 season and the mediocre, but entertaining non-playoff 2007-2008 season, the Warriors 2008-2009 season was a complete disaster. Pre-WE BELIEVE the Warriors were mockingly "Unstoppable Baby!". During the short lived but thrilling WE BELIEVE era they were a SHOCK THE WORLD variant of "Unstoppable Baby!". However last season they were mostly "Unwatchable Baby."
From silly turnovers, to numerous mental lapses, to dumbfoundedly saddling a legendary coach in his twilight on the sidelines with a young and raw team with questionable mythical upside, to Moped Gate, to ZERO defense, to an absurd amount of media hysteria for mostly the wrong reasons-- Cohan and Rowell's product last season was not worth the price of admission, which was incredulously a sizable increase over the previous season. (Apologies for the run-on, but to be honest all of last year was on one big run-on for this franchise.) There were so many times last season when we couldn't even GIVE away our lowerbowl seats to Warriors games for FREE. (I wasn't joking about the "Unwatchable Baby.")
Thankfully we get to move on.
The Warriors need some serious "Computer Assistance" in real life.
[NBA 2K10 Golden State Warriors Style]
2k9 Golden State Warriors Offseason Rewind
Key Losses
The Chris Mullin Publicity Stunt
Back in 2004 when Warriors owner Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell promoted Gary St. Jean "protege" Chris Mullin to VP/ GM it was nothing more than a silly little publicity stunt. Over the course of his 4 years at the Warriors helm his best move was getting saved by his former mentor Don Nelson. Despite what the media would like you to believe partly because of their bizarre vendetta against Nellie, Mullin was 1) not improving as a GM and 2) is a major reason for the Warriors current disarray with his silly trades (giving the New Jersey Nets a 1st round pick for a fringe NBA player in Marcus Williams) and odd obsession with constantly getting younger and rawer with a lot of b-rate talents, but never building a team to win in the present.
Don't get me wrong. It's hard not to root for Mullie. He's a nice guy and wanted to create an atmosphere that players (regardless of how overpaid or untalented) would want to be a part of. Those are both commendable qualities.
But the media at large and the average Warriors or NBA fan blew Mullie's dismal way out of proportion. He should've never been hired. He deserved to be fired. The problem is that the two guys who fired him (Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell) also deserved to be fired.
Also see: The Mullin Myths: Chris Mullin made the Warriors a franchise players wanted to join
More on the Mullin myths to come...
JC and his 50
In a year of ultimate unprofessionalism from this organization from top (Mullin not seeming to even care that Monta Ellis single-handedly ruined the entire season and Rowell handling it as poor as anyone not named Monta) to bottom (veteran players like Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, and Ellis not even showing up to Fan Appreciation Day at the final home game), there was one constant source of professionalism and that was Jamal Crawford. JC was a true class act here.
I'm in the minority here in Dubs Land, but I actually found Crawford facinating to watch as well. Sure his landslide "victory" in the 2008-2009 WDWY (Worst Defensive Warrior of the Year) polling wasn't a fluke and his shooting percentages, rebounding rate, and assist rate left something to be desired. But watching JC drop 50, routinely put on a stunning display of "You can't guard me sucka!" with his silky smooth handles, and uncanny ability to draw fouls while launching trey's was a rare visual delight amongst the "Unwatchable Baby"-ness.
JC will be missed.
More on JC:
The Marco Belinelli Hype Machine
The Marco Belinelli Hype Machine has thankfully left the building. I still contend that the Toronto Raptors just traded for Jiri Welsch 2.0 and Belinelli probably won't even be in the league in 2-3 seasons.
The Warriors contract dumping of Belinelli is further evidence of Nellie and GM Larry Riley's confidence in Anthony Morrow. It's also an indicator that they both know the definition of "meritocracy" unlike a lot of Warriors fans and local/ national media who inanely hyped this guy up to no end and made almost as many excuses for him as the "golden age" of Mullin's blind affection for Mike Dunleavy.
Not just Warriors and NBA any more...
GSoM now has you covered for all your furniture needs!
More on the futon:
- Warriors Trade Marco Belinelli to Raptors for Devean George- What a Joke!
- Belinelli Traded, World Does Not End: State of the Warriors after the trade
- Asking GSoM: Raptors HQ wants the 411 on Marco Belinelli
- What does discount furniture have in common with Marco Belinelli?
Fear the Goggles
Don't get me wrong, I as well the local media, national media, Nellie, and Dubs fans are pretty amped about Stephen Curry. But the Warriors could've had Amare Stoudemire if they were willing to part with Curry on draft day 2009. Amare Stoudemire as in the first legit PF they've had since Chris Webber back in 1684 (it's been awhile) and Nate Thurmond back in 1472 (it's really been awhile).
Hopefully the Warriors can resurrect some trade talks with the Suns later this season for Amare Stoudemire. This deal intrigues me like nothing else.
Amare 2 the Bay:
- Polling GSoM: Which forward should have a better career based on their first two seasons in the NBA?
- RUMOR: Ric Bucher thinks Amare Stoudemire to Warriors still happens
- RUMOR: Amare Stoudemire not that interested in the Warriors
- Weighing the Rumor: cases for and against a deal for Stoudemire
- RECAP: Warriors' 2009 NBA Draft Day - Stephen Curry & Amar'e
- Warriors Draft Day 2009: This Pretty Much Says It All
- RUMOR: Warriors inquired about Suns' Amare Stoudemire and offered Andris Biedrins
Okay it happened last offseason, but man I miss that guy and his inflatable alter-ego. Good times man. I hope you're tipping some Sprite up their with 2Pac and Biggie for us down here in the Bay.
Very sad indeed. Traumatizing actually.
Fine, I'll admit it.
I'm suffering from PTTS- Post Traumatic Thunder Syndrome.
"The Autobiography of Thunder" needs to be released.
Inquiring minds want to know.
Key Additions
Umm let me put this succintly as I can... N/A.
The key word there is "Key". The Warriors did nothing "Key" this past offseason other than potentially making a nice selection at the #7 slot with Stephen Curry aka Masala aka Kid Curry.
- With the 7th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft the Golden State Warriors select... STEPHEN CURRY!
- Warriors Draft Day 2009: This Pretty Much Says It All
- RECAP: Warriors' 2009 NBA Draft Day - Stephen Curry & Amar'e?
- OPEN THREAD: Stephen Curry Press Conference @ 2pm on CSN Bay Area
- Masala Multimedia
- Southwest Flight #SBN: OAK 2 PHX
- Allen Iverson Age 20 vs. Stephen Curry Age 20
- Q&A: Steve Kostorowski of Water Street Gym (Stephen Curry's Personal Trainer)
- Stephen Curry - Let There Be Hope :: 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Player Recap and Previews
After a disastrous 2k8-2k9 season that couldn't end fast enough, it was abundantly clear that this roster was in dire need of change. The Warriors pretty much promised a major shakeup, but alas these were nothing but delusions of grandeur. The Warriors had an absolutely meaningless offseason in terms of roster moves.
Additions
(Now that we got rid of the word "Key" we can get down to business.)
Miikki Moore
I'm just happy he's on the home squad and not on the visiting team.
As Yay Area fav E-40 would say:
SHAKE DEM DREADS!
Expiring Contracts
Why did the Grizzlies trade Pau Gasol to the La Lakers for basically nothing? Why did the Timberwolves trade Kevin Garnett to the Boston Celtics? (hint: it wasn't Al Jefferson)
Take at look at these contracts that come off the books after this season (via HoopsHype):
- Speedy Claxton- $5.2 million
- Acie Law- $2.9 million (team option for 2010-2011)
- Devean George- $1.6 million
- Mikki Moore- $1.3 million
- C.J. Watson- $1.0 million
That's potentially upwards of $12,000,000 in fun money. Some possibilities.
2k9-2k10 Golden State Warriors Projections
Biggest Strengths
Roaracle Faithful
There's two constants for the Golden State Warriors:
- THE SUCK
- The best fans in the entire association
Likable Young Players
There's plenty of reasons not to warm up to vets like Stephen Jackson and Monta Ellis.
But Stephen Curry, Anthony Morrow, and Anthony Randolph? That's a whole different animal. It's hard not to root for these guys.
The Anthony's plus a little masala is a-OK with me.
They're young, they're exciting, and the expectations might be a tad bit too high for them. But they'll be fun to watch and root for.
Expiring Contracts
I can't stress this one enough. If the Warriors actually use these chips intelligently they've got a shot at something nice, real nice.
The 2nd (soon to be 1st) Most Winningnest Coach in NBA History
More often than not the Warriors will have the coaching advantage on the sidelines. There is no other coach in the league that can do more with less- which is especially relevant here since the Warriors will have less more often than not this season. For all the drama that he brings for a variety of reasons (not all his fault), Nellie is a master hoops tactician and that can't be denied.
By the way if you're reading a Warriors preview or article on a national mainstream outlet and they routinely refer to CWebb-Nellie parallels, it's a BIG clue that they haven't done their homework and unfortunately know that sensationalism = more web clicks.
By the way if you see baseless and inane "FIRE NELLIE!" rants from a Warriors fan every time something goes wrong, it's a BIG clue that they didn't live through The Dirty Dozen: Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 either because they're too young or they didn't realize there was a basketball team in California other than the LA Lakers till the 2007 NBA Playoffs.
Nellie and Riley as the Shot Callers
When the Warriors unceremoniously dumped Chris Mullin to much (mostly unfounded) fan and media backlash, they promoted Nellie's buddy Larry Riley to the GM spot. Riley doesn't have the most distinguished resume based on his numerous NBA stops, but unlike the Warriors previous hire he actually has credentials and experience at all levels- coaching, scouting, and management. Unlike the Warriors previous hire, he actually sounds prepared at interviews and seems to have a vision.
It will be great to have a head coach and GM that are finally on the same page. You could tell Nellie wasn't exactly enamored with Mullin's player pickups and rightfully so (the Adonal Foyle- Troy Murphy- Mike Dunleavy front court?, Kosta Perovic? Marcus WIlliams?).
There's a great piece over at SFGate about new Warriors GM Larry Riley that's definitely worth the cost of a click.
Jim Barnett, Tim Roye, and The Razor and Mr. T
I wanted to take a quick second to highlight some folks who don't get much national media attention though they're quite golden. There's a lot of clowns working under Cohan's regime and in the local Bay Area media who we'll leave unnamed, but these guys are more than legit.
Jim Barnett of Barnett's Law Fame. Barnett is the Warriors color TV commentator and is old school smooth in every way imaginable.
Tim Roye of Elevation Sensation fame. Roye is the Warriors radio announcer and does an absolutely superb job despite having announced so much suck for well over a decade.
Ralph Barbieri of Amici's fame and Tom Tolbert of Run TMC fame. The Razor and Mr. T host the weekly Don Nelson Show on KNBR here in the Bay Area. If you've never heard Nellie's show with Ralph and Tom you're missing out.
Biggest Weaknesses
The Human Powered Turnover Machine
Barring no injuries and if Monta Ellis can make through the season without hopping on a "low-speed moped", it's a pretty safe bet that the Warriors will lead the league in turnovers. Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Anthony Randolph will be the main culprits. Rookie Stephen Curry will probably add to the turnover totals considerably, but we will excuse the rookie.
We'll be using this picture quite a bit in our recaps this season.
Low Hoops IQ
Top to bottom this is one of the dumbest rosters in the league. It can be painful watching them struggle to throw the simplest inbounds pass. Part of that is being young, but most of that can be attributed to players who simply aren't that sharp on the court and off the court. We'll just leave it at that. We're not in the business of hurting the trade value of players on the home team- well at least today.
Immaturity
Media Day 2009 typifies the "Captain" Moped silliness. I'll pass the mic to my man DT from the mighty Fear the Beard: Hater Tuesday: Warriors media day special edition:
What the hell kind of team can't even get media day right? Show up, look happy to be a well-compensated professional, say some nice things to move some tickets, and go home. But no. Not our Dubs. They've got to make this into a public spectacle of dysfunction. And at the center of the storm? The team's two best players. First, you've got Captain Grinch telling us that, yes, he still wants out. Then you've got Monta telling us that, no, he doesn't think Nellie's backcourt plan will work. Great. Where do I sign up to give Chris Cohan that disproportionate share of my disposable income for my delusional "great time out?"
Don't you hate it when your "Captain" is running away from the mess he helped create?
It's very difficult rooting for these guys.
Goals
Playoffs?! PLAYOFFS?! You wanna talk about playoffs?
Actually it's really quite simple. There's really only 2 goals. It takes 2.
1. Fire Rowell
Simply put, Robert Rowell's ascension and solidification as a front office executive on a half billion dollar corporation defies reason. Our recent Q&A with San Jose Mercury columnist Tim Kawakami reaffirmed what we've know for years around these parts: No other NBA team would be dumb enough to have him as an executive:
But there is no support for him as a franchise-runner and everybody knows he's not good at handling people, despite the handful of loyalists who remain in the Warriors employ, There's definitely zero respect for the public front-office chicanery/zaniness of the last year or so.
In fact, I got calls from NBA execs wondering what Rowell was doing when he signed Jackson to the three-year extension, and got calls from the same guys laughing their butts off when Jackson made his public trade request. His dance with Nelson, also, is amusing to NBA folks who know Nelson well.
So no, I don't think Rowell would get a job in any high position in the NBA if Cohan would grant him free agency. Maybe he could be a marketing guy for a D-League team?
Marketing guy for a D-League team. No disrespect to the fine folks at Ridiculous Upside (where you can always find out who will be the next Warrior), but that's pretty hilarious.
Seriously can we get Thunder back already?
2. Chris Cohan Sells the Warriors
From the Archives:
- RUMOR: Warriors owner Chris Cohan "highly likely" to sell
- Polling GSoM: Are you really that surprised that PR director Raymond Ridder and the Golden State Warriors got caught "astroturfing"? (5/23/09)
- At the Press Conference: Write "Sell the Warriors" (8/29/06)
- Missing Signatures (4/19/06)
- Rise to the Occasion (3/17/06)
- 2005-2006 REPORT CARD: Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell (8/23/09)
- BREAKING NEWS: Ice Cube Purchases the Warriors (4/1/06)
- We Want Larry! (7/25/09)
- San Jose SuperSonics in 2k8 (7/18/06)
- NBA Draft 2006: Chris Cohan is happy the draft isn't in the Bay (6/28/07)
- The Dirty Dozen - Part 1 of 3 (9/11/06)
- IRS Stressing Warrior Owner Chris Cohan (5/19/09)
- NBA Payroll Playpen and Cohanomics (11/30/07)
- WARRIORSist (6/6/06)
- RUMOR: Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell said no to Kevin Garnett because of additional salary and the luxury tax (5/16/09)
- RUMOR: Chris Cohan IS INDEED interested in selling Warriors and was in negotiations with Larry Ellison
There really isn't much more to say that we haven't said already, but I will say this. Warriors fans Nirvana isn't winning a championship. It's living to see Cohan sell this team and ending his failed attempt to kill all interest in pro hoops in the Bay Area.
Maybe "Weekend at Cohan's" is better than 16 Years with Cohan?
We'll happily take a championship though.
Projected Finish- "Let's Get IF-y!"
Let's take it back to Computer Science 101 for all our many Silicon Valley readers out there and utilize the ominpotent If statement.
If the Warriors don't make any moves and stay healthy, they're headed for 34 wins and the 10th spot in the West.
If the Warriors continue their injury prone ways (which has a high likelihood with players like Corey Maggette), they're headed for 29 wins (again) and the 12th spot in the West.
If the Warriors cash in all their trade chips and bring in an All-Star caliber big man a la Amare Stoudemire before the season is lost, they're headed for 48 wins and a low playoff seed with a bright and exciting future ahead.
Don't Forget Who We Are
A lot of folks might not have had the "privilege" of following this team and fanbase before the mainstream sports media and even many local media outlets here in the Bay Area cared to pay attention. When it comes to suck, the Warriors having been doing it for years:
Ain't nothing new here!
We're used to it.
Is there another region of hoops junkies who rally around something like this?
"UNSTOPPABLE BABY!"
Golden State Warriors rookie Marc Jackson to the Mavericks' bench, after hitting a lay-up during a 29-point loss (2000)
This is who we are.
I remember 3 years ago (pre-WE BELIEVE, pre-bandwagoners, pre-most regular national and local media coverage of the Warriors, pre-everyone and their mamma starting a Warriors blog because they can type even though they're borderline illiterate) when we launched The W Column for FSN Bay Area (now Comcast Sports Net Bay Area). Each of the GSoM writers answered the essay question we posed for our contest America's Next Warriors fan: Why I love the Warriors even though they've missed the playoffs for 12 straight seasons. Here's what I wrote:
I'm a Golden State Warriors fan because I'm in a golden state of mind.
The Bay Area sports soul is fragmented in professional football (49ers and Raiders) and baseball (A's and Giants) as well as college athletics (Cal, Stanford, San Jose State, and Santa Clara University), but not in pro hoops. The Warriors are a unifying force in Bay Area sports. They represent the Bay and are a rallying point for all of us. Every time the Warriors win it's like throwing up a big W for the entire Bay. That's golden.
Almost every night out at the Arena and on the road the Warriors aren't supposed to win. It's that "shock the world" mentality that breathes life into Warriors Nation. That mentality ignites our interests even when the Warriors aren't within sniffing distance of the playoffs. It fuels our Bay Area hoops soul. That's golden.
It might sound silly that the Warriors officially play for "Golden State", but there's nothing silly about being in a golden state of mind. That my friends is truly golden.
(Make sure to read the rest of that piece for some more golden words from DJ Fuzzy Logic, Fantasy Junkie, YaoButtaMing, and Hash.)
Despite the constant dysfunction junction off 880 on Hegenberger Ave., for me persoally nothing has changed.
We might be waiting awhile here in the Bay Area, but we WILL shock the world again like we did back in the spring of 2007 with WE BELIEVE. Oh it might take another 12 year playoff drought. Oh it might take Nellie coming back a third time to coach the Warriors in 2020 in his 90's. Oh it might take another wacky and improbable run with the Warriors qualifying for the playoffs on the last day of the season. But it will happen. We WILL SHOCK THE WORLD AGAIN.
This is who we are.
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Other fine Warriors previews from our folks:
- BDL's 2009-10 NBA Preview: Golden State Warriors [Ball Don't Lie]
- Warriors could open 7-1, and I'm still predicting 34 wins: Month-by-month breakdown [Talking Points - San Jose Mercury]
- FanHouse Preview: Warriors
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I blame it more on Rowell since he is Cohan’s “basketball guy”. Cohan is here for the money and who knows why Rowell is still here. If Cohan fired him and got someone else he would not be as bad.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Oct 27, 2009 9:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha....watch us get 82 wins next season..hahha...I'd laugh :D
by GSWarrior18 on Oct 27, 2009 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There should be a
“83 wins-we (or y’all, depending on the perspective) will defy the laws of gravity/the NBA”
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Oct 28, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do remember that W column and even GSOM in its old format
You have created a cult following when it comes to Warriors fans. It’s sad that for another 10 years we’ll have lottery pick predictions midway through the season, insane trade rumors and proposals that will NEVER happen, and optimistic posts which tell us why “We Believe”. It’s normal for us Warriors fans though. Most of us know where the Golden State Warriors stand in the basketball universe. Even though the truth hurts, we can’t help but love who we are. This is to a good, entertaining season.
Captain Jack-Out
by Captain Jack on Oct 27, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice. So you’re saying it gets better after ten years?
by belilaugh on Oct 27, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Optimistic
I guess that’s what I am. I think we’re going 41-41.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 27, 2009 10:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm... What was your pre-season prediction for the As?
by paris7 on Oct 27, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's Prediction
Really, I’d rather not say what it was. Let’s just say that they, um, fell short of my expectations.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 28, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Celtic fan here...
… wishing you all the best for the coming season. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this read and I’ll keep an eye on you guys this season, perhaps hop by every now and then for a congratulatory post on a win, or some comforting words in the off chance you should lose a game or two ;)
Seriously, good luck and I hope you have fun this season.
- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel
by Kiorrik on Oct 28, 2009 3:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that's nice!
thanks kiorrik.
Good luck to you and your team too. Come over from time to time, we don’t bite!
Strangers have the best candy. Happy Halloween!
by girltothemax on Oct 28, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will do! Good luck t'nite!
- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel
by Kiorrik on Oct 28, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont know about you fellas
but im looking forward to tonight. Im very glad we didnt sign Amare or Bosh. we would have had to moved one of our young stars and the two i just named would not have helped us win a title anyhow. LET THE YOUNG GUYS DEVELOP!!!!! stop the madness with the trade talks. Get rid of Cohan and Rowell yes but no more trade talk.
by roscoe s on Oct 28, 2009 8:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
expiring contracts
I agree we could easily package for a nice player. We won’t be able to make significant moves next summer, so why not use george, law, claxton to a team hoping to get into bosh/amare sweepstakes…
But I do NOT expect us to. I’m almost positive we’ll let them role so Cohan can save money. Just like the JRich trade exception… Cohan is hurting in the present economy, and has generally never shown major interest to spend.
by tafkasam on Oct 28, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh
What a downer. Jeez. I need a drink and it’s not even gametime yet.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Oct 28, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like the JRich trade exception
I thought this concept was beat down by now? Seriously, go find a player a team wanted to get rid of for under $10M a year back when we had that exception. Remember we can’t package the exception with any of our players, so it can only be used as a straight salary dump. Good luck. Until you do, drop this.
by Missing Barry on Oct 28, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mike miller
mullin had deal in place. Cohan/rowell balked
by tafkasam on Oct 28, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm…unless I’m forgetting or I’m just plain ignorant, this is the first I’m hearing about this?
by Missing Barry on Oct 28, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize the source is questionable
And I hate Kawakami as much as next objective warriors fan, but generally he isn’t inaccurate in reporting what happens. He just stretches and scewed facts into false assumptions (IE monta is unhappy, he’ll be traded…. he could have been unhappy, doesn’t mean it won’t pass over like every other player)
Failing to use any of the $9.9M trade exception acquired in the Jason Richardson trade in the one-year window following the deal on draft night 2007.
In the middle of the 2007-’08 season, Mullin worked out a deal to pick up Mike Miller, using the TE, but the salary-increase was rejected by Rowell (and Cohan).
-Why it’s fire-able: The Warriors won 48 games in 2007-’08 and one more wing player, while Jackson, Baron and others played 40+ minutes a night, could’ve made a major difference down the stretch.
It’s not first time I’d seen it either. Minnesota wanted a salary dump then.
by tafkasam on Oct 29, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting, thanks for the facts. So at least we can’t pin this one on Mullin, then…all Cohan’s fault (no surprise there).
by Missing Barry on Oct 29, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Warriors won 48 games in 2007-’08 and one more wing player, while Jackson, Baron and others played 40+ minutes a night, could’ve made a major difference down the stretch.
Um, Jason Richardson?
Golden State of Mind :: Always keeping it... "Unstoppable Baby!"
by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 29, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, long term we were better off without him. Plus, when we traded JRich we didn’t know we only needed 1 more game to get over the hump (I think of us as only missing the playoffs by a game since we quit our last game of the season) – we had more info at the time he’s describing.
by Missing Barry on Oct 29, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we don’t somehow make a magical playoff run this season, I’m hoping we only get 23 wins, which would put Nellie one win under a tie for the all-time record. By that time, we might have a new owner and a new GM and new whatever-Rowell’s-job-is all of whom might be wise enough to can Nellie and hire, I don’t know, Jeff Van Gundy as our head coach. Then no one would ever hire Nellie again and he’d never get the record.
I just realized my only two goals in life are to spite Don Nelson and maintain the glory of Lenny Wilkins.
by gargleafg on Oct 28, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping we only get 23 wins
That might be the smartest thing I’ve heard on here recently, isn’t there a guy name wall in the next draft?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 28, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
45-37
or 47 – 35
I keep saying this since last May
=Gaucho=
by Gaucho! on Oct 28, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
By the current make up of the team....
35 wins. But we’ll see what happens with trades. We have a much better start to season than last year. Maybe if jack impresses he can be packaged. Seeing Cleveland last night, they need something.
Still we have a rookie PG (which means highly inconsistant), a very undersized 2 who can’t play PG, a 3 who doesn’t want to be here. a super young 4 who hasn’t had best pre-season and has been hurt (am I only one who thinks Randolph at best will be a 12/10 guy this year? People who think he’ll jump to 16/17 ppg seems a bit ridiculous), and a couple solid 5’s.
Our bench is very nice but it still lends the question, we’ll be in ALOT of close games and when i see brandon roy, dirk, kobe, manu, chauncey and the list goes on and on, I just don’t think we beat majority of these players teams in final 2-5 minutes of close games. And that’s your difference between 30 and 50 wins
by tafkasam on Oct 28, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
We only gonna be on National TV twice this season. We dont even have a ESPN both are on TNT. Well if we made the playoffs that gonna change next year hopefully.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
by mykelala01 on Oct 28, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if i'm wrong
Doesn’t the schedule change during year? IE If we become interesting they may pick up more games
by tafkasam on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Warriors became exciting this season
And they finish with a good record or even made the playoffs, The Warriors gonna be on National TV more often the next season thereof. IE last season we got more than 2 national TV apperance because of our 48 wins during 07-08 season. So your right, hopefully we got a good record and even made the playoffs or we end up not even seen in a National TV broadcast.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
by mykelala01 on Oct 28, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still don’t agree with your take on the Mullin situation, Atma. No need to get into our differences of opinion, it’s been done many times – I just point it out because you address the issue like all the fans out there that believe the opposite are uninformed. There are informed fans that disagree with you, too. ;)
Key addition:
Healthy Monta
I think we’re about a 36-38 win team this year. I’m excited for tonight. Now I have an excuse to ignore the stupid Phillies. Thank god for basketball season.
by Missing Barry on Oct 28, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mullin
Atma – where do you get off calling yourself Atma with such a terrible off-base perspective on the Mullin situation?
He got off to a rocky start but improved considerably. He got a raw deal. Rather than being treated as franchise legends should be treated (like the Giants do, for example, although I hate the Giants I gotta hand it to them on that…) he was publicly insulted, handcuffed, and dismissed.
Plus wtf this has to do with a season preview is beyond me.
Your take is so vicious – did he personally slight you in some way?
Also way to go on your pathetic backhanded compliment: “He’s a nice guy and wanted to create an atmosphere that players (regardless of how overpaid or untalented) would want to be a part of. Those are both commendable qualities.”
At least Tony.psd’s stellar work makes this preview readable. (Man do I miss Thunder)
by Billy Frijoles on Oct 28, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let´s go warriors!!
We WILL SHOCK THE WORLD AGAIN.
This is who we are.
Warriors ¡¡ EN ESPAÑOL !!!!
www.losgswarriors.blogspot.com
by R1Molano on Oct 28, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the best thing you've written that I have read IMHO
Seriously. Great post.
I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 28, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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