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RECAP 0.5 Game #1- Warriors 107, Rockets 108 - The Meaningless Buzzer Beater

UPDATE 2 (10/30/09 1:31pm): The Dream Shake recaps the Rockets win: Game 2 Recap: Scola, Ariza fuel Rockets' 108-107 victory over Golden State

UPDATE (12:51pm): My sincerest apologies for forgetting to name a Warrior Wonder. Chalk it up to opening night craziness. We take our Warrior Wonders seriously around these parts. To make it up to all you golden folks there's a game highlights video from NBA/Yahoo! added to the end of this piece in addition to the Warrior Wonder. 

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Nellie to "Captain" Jack: "Look man- Riley's on the phone right now trying to trade you.

Please do something- anything- to boost your trade value tonight."

Trade Talks Heating Up? Jackson Could Be Moved By the End of the Week [SB Nation.com Story Stream]

 

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Final Box Score

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Final - 10.28.2009 1 2 3 4 Total
Houston Rockets 26 26 35 21 108
Golden State Warriors 28 34 19 26 107

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We'll have much more in store for you on the Warriors season opener, but here's a first recap to get things started off right in 2009-2010. Jump for some quickies.

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Quick bullets:

  • Thanks to all 600+ of you who came to GSoM Night 7! It was great seeing so many of you cool folks at the game rocking some very fly blue and yellow jerseys. Your continued support of this entire project is most appreciated.
  • Overall the crowd was relatively subdued and quiet- it was a like a LA Fakers or San Antonio Snores home game. The frenzy of the Roaracle that we've come accustomed to just wasn't there- thank you Chris Cohan, Robert Rowell, and Stephen Jackson. There were quiet a bit of empty seats as well- not that I blame anyone with the sad state of 1) the economy, 2) the Bay Bridge, and 3) the Warriors.
  • Props to the Houston Rockets. They are not fielding a good team at all because of all those injuries, but they're a smart squad especially on defense. Rick Adelman and the rest of their coaching staff does a fine job keeping this squad prepared. It was a like a chess game and the Rockets knew the Warriors next move every time. Part of this is undoubtedly due to the low IQ-ness of the Warriors personnel, but let's give credit where credit is due.
  • Aside from the 6 turnovers I was pretty impressed with Trevor Ariza. Isiah Thomas sure knows how to pick them. Clever Trevor was knocking down his WIDE OPEN shots and sprinkled in some dimes and boards. It was like he was playing with Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom, and Pau Gasol again. Playing the Warriors will do that to you.
  • The Rockets are NOT a good team. They came into Oakland tonight on the second night of a back-to-back after a tough loss to the Portland Trail Blazers and beat the Warriors on their home opener. That's unacceptable from the Warriors. If the tables were turned and the Warriors lost of the road under this scenario, we'd be hearing a ton of excuses from the usual homers.
  • Stephen Curry really showed me something in his debut tonight. On D he was very quick and pesky which is reflected in his 4 picks. It's nice to see some scrappiness on some D from a Warrior rookie, because the vets (Andris Biedrins, Stephen Jackson, and Corey Maggette) sure weren't bringing that on defense tonight. I also appreciated Curry's sharp passing and ability/ willingness to distribute the rock and try to run an offense. Sure he made some mistakes (that pass towards the end of the 4th to a cutting Biedrins in the key which just needed a little more masala), but he's the last guy to blame about the season opener loss.
  • Anthony Morrow aka Chocolate Rain aka Ammo- did the rest of his teammates pay any attention when he received the award for being the 3pt % champ earlier this evening? Any attention at all? Seriously can the Warrior do a better job of setting him up and getting him the rock? It was painful to watch how under-utilized he was the entire night. 
  • Andris Biedrins was very sloppy with the ball, didn't show any improvement on D, and didn't bring it on the boards tonight. Ronny Turiaf did very little positive as well. Very disappointing performance from the starting 4-5 combo against a non-elite NBA frontline.
  • Monta Ellis had some nice drives to the bucket, but also looked very stoppable on a few of them which wasn't the case back in his breakout season of 2007-2008. I wasn't too impressed with him handling and distributing the rock overall, but it's just one game so we'll see. It was a decent enough performance. I wouldn't put this loss on him.
  • Why did Anthony Randolph even play 10 minutes? I thought he was hurt. Major props to him for that swat on a fast breaking Rocket though. I love that don't quit mentality. Too bad it was erroneously called as a foul. The story of the Warriors right there.
  • Stephen Jackson's line doesn't look all that bad at 17-4-4, but to tell you the truth he didn't look that good out there. The body language just seemed off, but my perception could be distorted by all those (deserved) boo's. They aren't at that Mike Dunleavy boo-bird level or anything, but it is noticeable. I wonder if the boo's are a wakeup call for the former "Captain" and his negotiation buddy Robert Rowell. What a disaster. It all could have been avoided too.
  • At the end of the day it's just 1 loss. Sure it's a bad loss to a bad team at home, but still- just 1 loss. 
  • Props to the Warriors for holding BOTH Houston Rocket superstars Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady scoreless tonight. Who says the Warriors don't play any defense!

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Rudolph and Masala Ain't No Joke!

Don't sweat the technique.

Blogtastic Shout Outs

Please do make sure to see what our buddies in Houston thought about tonight's festivities over at The Dream Shake. These guys are pretty hilarious and make far less bad jokes than you're accustomed to reading from me.

 

Looking for more of the Dub-ness? Don't miss out on our 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Preview Super Blowout Special:

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Stef-fun Curry gets the game 1 honors and I have a feeling this rook will be collecting many Warrior Wonders this year and beyond.

Stephen Curry's debut: 14 points (7-12 FG), 7 dimes (only 2 turnovers), 2 rodmans, and 4 picks, tying him for the best plus/minus on the Warriors last night with Kelenna Azubuike at +7.

Don't sweat the technique ya'll!

Oh and for all you Nellie haters constantly spouting that nonsense that he doesn't play rookies (um, he simply doesn't play players who aren't good regardless of age) ROOKIE Kid Curry played nearly 36 minutes last night second only to Monta Ellis. ROOKIES Chris Webber and Mitch Richmond won the Rookie of the Year honors under Coach Don Nelson back in the day. ROOKIE Tim Hardaway made the All-Rookie 1st team under Coach Don Nelson.

With Blake Griffin sadly out for a few weeks, anyone think Curry has a chance to win the 2009-2010 ROY? I know, I know it's only 1 game, but watching Curry this year is going to be fun. Here's to Stef-fun.


Game Highlights

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third quarter...names

You’ll hear a refrain (the coach specified it, post-game) about Morrow getting ignored, too few touches, usw. For most of the third quarter, the offense went through Ellis and Jackson, who shot 3 for 11 combined, with Morrow playing the 2-guard. We saw it going on in the pre-season games when Curry wasn’t on the court. The plus/minus stat can often be misleading, and in the case of M’gette’s +5 it is, but Ellis and Jackson earned their minuses in the third quarter.

The first couple of months will probably have recurrences of awkward games like this when the vets like Ellis, Jackson, M’gette, Biedrins, Turiaf can’t respond against a rally, while the young’uns are still getting initiated, and it appears the latter are much more likely to meet or exceed expectations than the former.

by the.monk on Oct 29, 2009 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's too late...

Jackson has already rubbed off on Ellis too much to ever recover from. His me first mentality will amount to many losses for us this year. When Nelson said “I don’t want to name names” I envisioned Ellis – driving to the basket on like four straight poss. in the 3rd quarter, playing one on five basketball.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Oct 29, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Warrior Wonder pick!

  Curry’s mom already took it home

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson and Maggete both get F’’s from me. how can you say that you’re not even sure he had a bad night. he was terrible forcing shots, killing ball movement, and shooting low percentages

"If you can make 10 things happen during the 10 minutes you play tonight, we will quadruple your salary and you will start for the rest of the season" ... and then he does just that, but the coach reneges on the promise so Anthony has a near-crying meltdown on the bench. That's every Anthony Randolph game.

by gsw1 on Oct 29, 2009 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

explain:

I don’t think Curry was quite as good as his numbers suggest, but hot damn, I’ll sure take that from a 21-year-old point guard making his NBA debut

Huh? Curry was better than his numbers showed. Maybe it comes from playing/watching/coaching a lot of bball, but from what I saw, he is instantly the smartest ball player on the entire warriors squad. Took the right angles, made the right defensive choices, and made perfect passes. His effect on the game was subtle, but huge. Add to that a couple of ice-cold shots with under 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter, and I am REALLY high on this kid. Where were the nerves on this kid???

He was on the floor at the same time as NBA vets Sjax and Monta, and still had the cojones to shoot the J. That Curry makes/miss the shot didn’t really matter to me. I can’t buy my Curry jersey fast enough.

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Oct 29, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1
made the right defensive choices

Just wanted to underline this aspect of his game. His passing and court vision/awareness opened my eyes in summer league and preseason; last night it was his D. The Rockets overall got way too many open looks from deep (especially given that they had so few interior weapons to keep us honest); but not once do I remember Curry losing his man. Aaron Brooks, who I had last seen torching the opposition in last year’s players, rarely saw daylight — ended up 6-16 with five turnovers.

Obviously Curry’s a rookie and he’s going to make his share rookie mistakes (as Barnett and others have pointed out, lots of great PGs have taken 2-3-4 years to develop). There will be nights where he’s a lot less smooth than he was last night. But already he seems to have fewer obvious technical flaws in his game than any Warrior I’ve seen since …. hmm, I don’t even know. Rick Barry?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he seems to have fewer obvious technical flaws in his game than any Warrior I’ve seen since …. hmm

      Cabbages?

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, good one.

Actually Cabbages’ whole game, outside of his elite-level towel-waving, was basically a technical flaw….

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cabbages’ whole game

  Haha, When he first came here he did the best pick and roll I’ve ever seen a warriors guard execute then Nelson took him out and never played him again.

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just meant that he stumbled into a couple free layups. But I agree with you on everything else… if anything, his passing numbers understate how well he moved the ball, and he was absolutely brilliant on D.

My League Pass picked up the Rockets’ broadcast of this one, and they pointed out that every time Curry executed a play or two, it seemed like Monta would insist on running the next one. And while Monta contributed in his various Monta ways, he really didn’t set anybody up in the halfcourt at all. I already trust Curry more with the ball than I trust Monta. After one game. It’s hard to not get excited about this kid.

by onlxn on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monta was definitely pressing a lot

We’ve got a young team without much of an identity, other than “team turmoil”… which isn’t what we want. With a team without an identity, guys will press because they think they need to or because they’re trying to establish themselves as “the identity.”

Ultimately, an identity will surface. We’ll establish some sort of identity as a team. Hopefully, everybody will be on board with that identity. Hopefully Monta will realize what I suspected might be the case: He and Curry can share the backcourt without getting burned all the time. It certainly helped that they were gonig against Aaron Brooks and Kyle Lowry much of the time, but there are lots of teams that will regularly use smaller lineups… and actually putting in the effort on defense helps a lot. Monta will eventually realize that he doesn’t have to compete with Curry for PT. I think Monta has a bit of an insecurity complex, which can be a good thing actually, but he needs to channel it in positive ways.

Here’s why we lost:

They got hot in the 3rd (Luis Scola chucking in his first 3 pointer of his career?!?! 11 straight makes?), we got cold, we missed lots of open layups, we made our share of dumb mistakes, they made >50% of their threes, not all wide open, and we only got 10 minutes of an injured AR instead of 35 of a healthy AR. A loss, that we shoulda-coulda won, but not a bad loss at all.

This is the same Rockets team that took the Lakers to 7 (They were donw 2-1 in that series when Yao went down and took it to 7 games) last year. The only change is that they traded Artest for Ariza. They’re going to be a good team this year, I’m not buying what AB1’s selling on the Rockets.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully Monta will realize what I suspected might be the case: He and Curry can share the backcourt without getting burned all the time. It certainly helped that they were gonig against Aaron Brooks and Kyle Lowry much of the time, but there are lots of teams that will regularly use smaller lineups… and actually putting in the effort on defense helps a lot.

The effort was nice to see… with the effort Monta put in defensively last year, he wouldn’t be able to stop ones, let alone twos. If he and Curry waterbug it up, we’ll be okay a lot of nights. But I do think the Rockets’ tiny backcourt was our friend last night. Monta has to cover J-Rich tomorrow night, and that’s a whole different type of challenge.

I’d agree that it wasn’t a horrible loss. Sucks to lose after leading, sucks to see late mistakes, sucks to lose when you’re home and more rested than your opponent… still and all, the Rockets are a decent team, and we can’t expect to avoid some growing pains. The team played hard and together. I really like these guys. And if Jack goes away, I’ll downright love ’em.

by onlxn on Oct 29, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monta has to cover J-Rich tomorrow night, and that’s a whole different type of challenge.

I suspect that Monturry won’t get 74 minutes tomorrow. Buike will be in more to guard Buike v0.5.

What we really need are players who ask to be taken out when they’re winded.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

J-Rich won’t be playing. He’s still got the second of his two-game suspension to serve.

by WYK on Oct 29, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Jax played horrible either, but it wasn’t all Good Jack tonight. Plus Bad Jack came in when we really needed a run.

Maggs was a meh, if he didn’t take so many low percentage jumpers he would have been solid.

by Badly Browned on Oct 29, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fitz said it best on the broadcast

“Maggette is 3-of-13 and continues to shoot with better shooters on the floor.”

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by Goofus on Oct 29, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my mind, he kept shooting the ball just to see if he’d snap out of the cold streak, and obviously it was just not happening

by PiKAgiant on Oct 29, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggs

that’s exactly why they lost the game. There’s a reason the Rockets left him wide open for those shots. He’s not a good jump shooter.

Sure, good shooters like SJax and Morrow and Curry can shoot themselves out of a cold spell and that’s what is recommended, but in a close game like that, he needs to realize his shot wasn’t there and either drive to the hoop or rotate the ball. Those possessions were valuable and one & done just doesn’t cut it late in the game.

But it is also a failure of coaching by Nelson. He shouldn’t have left him out there or told him to do something else.

Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious.

by Kobe on Oct 29, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not a good jump shooter.

I think he’s good from 12-16 feet or so. I don’t know where he got the idea that he was good from 18-22.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what doesn't sit well with me

Why doesn’t Don take him out or at the very least tell him to stop and drive?

by 123707THIZZ on Oct 29, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Nellie kept Maggette in during that horrible 3rd.

Why can’t he pull a vet if he’s playing like an idiot?

by dong4ce on Oct 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your memory is way off….. Maggette came in with 5m 10s remaining. The score after he came in was Warriors 10, Rockets 10. During that span, he was 1-3 for 2 points w/ 3 rebounds. He missed a lay up, but the only time he “played like an idiot” was when he took that 22 footer. Yes, Maggette is a black hole who makes bad decisions. But your statement

But Nellie kept Maggette in during that horrible 3rd. Why can’t he pull a vet if he’s playing like an idiot?
isn’t grounded in reality.

by homer simpson on Oct 29, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggette may have had a bad game, but that third quarter is on Jackson and Monta.

by Reverend_Randy on Oct 29, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Killed in the 3rd qtr

The third qtr was what killed us. We won the other 3 qtrs. We got stagnant, we didn’t move the ball, and we got stopped by the Rockets. Meanwhile the Rockets were hitting EVERYTHING in that 3rd qtr. They had a 13-3 run, then 14-4 run to turn a 10 pt deficit into an 8 pt lead, which topped out to 10 pts early in the 4th. I just don’t get what happened to the team mentality at that time.

Maggette didn’t help matters by having a poor shooting night. On the one hand, if Jim is right in that the Rockets had a game plan to not foul Maggette and give him the long range and 3 pt shots, then I tip my hat to the Rockets for having a game plan against Maggette. On the other hand, Maggette needs to recognize that he’s not making his shots and try something else, but certainly not shoot another 3. That’s exactly what the Rockets WANT you to do! Terrible, but I don’t blame him for the loss. I blame the team mentality in the 3rd qtr.

I don’t get why the Warriors don’t try to run more plays for Morrow. I mean, even if somehow Morrow can’t hit a shot when running around a screen, can’t they at least run towards Morrow’s defender and draw the defender away from Morrow, then kick it to Morrow??? Curry’s been the only one looking for Morrow. Nobody else does. Even Nellie mentioned this during the post game interview, so it’s not like he’s blind and oblivious to how few touches Morrow gets. It must be a player conspiracy!

At the end of the 3rd qtr, Maggette had a fast break drive towards the basket, with a Rocket player backpedalling. Jack was wide open on the opposite side by the 3 pt line waving for Maggette to pass the ball. Maggette finished the drive and somehow laid it in. Though we only saw Jack’s backside from the camera angle, Jack was visibly frustrated that Maggette didn’t pass it to him. Rusty Simmons also observed that Jack appeared to pout on the bench afterwards. Thanks for being a teammate, Jack.

Curry made 2 rookie mistakes at the end of the game, both of which he talked about during a locker room interview. The first was the bad lob to Biedrins. He didn’t see the Rocket defender, so he thought Biedrins had a wide open cut to the hoop. The second was getting the rebound after Morrow’s miss. He said he was hoping to draw a foul. He should have called a timeout or kicked it to Monta at the 3 pt line. Monta was visibly frustrated when the final buzzer went off, rightly so. Rookie mistakes.

by IQofaWarrior on Oct 29, 2009 2:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad Curry at least had a plan for that final lay up instead of just stat padding

And it is insane how little were getting Morrow involved, like everyone else notes; Curry’s the only one who actually looks for him. Don can’t be subbing Curry out for Morrow, they have to play together

by 123707THIZZ on Oct 29, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jack pouting

It’s not just frustrating anymore. It’s unacceptable.

How can you pout that your teammate just scored.

And even on that Randolph TO, Jackson was aggressively waiving for the ball and when AR made the bad pass he never even flinched when the Rockets defender starts coming away with the ball.

by lightz0ut on Oct 29, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The hilarious thing is...

If you look at the comments on ESPN articles about possible Jack trades, the Cleveland fans are BEGGING for the Cavs to give up Z’s contract. It’s such a high risk / high reward situation for the Cavs, I probably wouldn’t do it if I were them.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 29, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t get why the Warriors don’t try to run more plays for Morrow.

Agreed. Good that Nellie pointed this out afterwards, at least.

Really, I think your optimal starting lineup is Curry/Monta/Morrow/Randolph/Biedrins. Morrow is a better weapon with Curry there to find him. A guy like Monta will have an easier time finding Morrow if he’s an option from the opening tip… Monta is not so natural a playmaker that he can adjust to new talent in midstream. Morrow’s at least Jack’s equal as a rebounder and was more energetic on defense last night. If Jack’s being a good citizen, let him be a good citizen that starts the night on the pine.

This was definitely one of those nights where you couldn’t help but fantasize about Jack and Maggette being arrested in a jewel heist and getting both of their contracts voided. No hate on Maggette, really — he is what he is — but it’s like we have these two pricey buzzkills in the middle of this awesomely entertaining young team. How do we make them go away?

by onlxn on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I like that lineup a lot.

Except when we play against taller shooting guards.

This is Kristin Kreuk, now zip it. - GTTM

by disguy on Oct 29, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'd get killed by the better wing players in the league.

Morrow should play the 2. If he plays the 3, then either Jack or Kelenna should be playing the other wing position.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

(MT)

by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rookie Mistakes?

I’ll buy that it was a mistake not to call a TO – but passing it to Monta would have been pointless. He got the rebound with one second remaining. If Monta is upset about it he needs to check himself.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Oct 29, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rookie Mistakes?

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Oct 29, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap.

Sorry to see the loss by a single point. Was hoping this morning when I woke up and checked nba.com to see a W for you guys…

I’ll go and read up a bit on your squad soon, so I can actually talk about the game with you guys :)

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Oct 29, 2009 3:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Look forward to it. You’ve got at least one fellow Celtics fan here…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish the W's had Sheed...

I’ve always liked him. I’m not a huge Garnett fan, or even a fan of Pierce, Allen, or Rondo, but putting Sheed on that team is just unfair.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheed has fallen off quite a bit from his peak. He’s a great 5th or 6th man, but not much more than that. Fortunately for them, that’s all they need him to be.

What’s really unfair is that Rajon Rondo may be the best PG in the NBA not named Paul…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thoughts

Except for the third quarter the team played pretty well. We didn’t defend the three well. Jack and Monta played way too much one on everyone. I really feel like that whole approach is a product of the way Jack plays. Maggette tried to be a jumpshooter, when he’s much better posting up and dishing, or driving to the hoop. We need to have more screens and ball movement. Offense was too stagnant. Curry is going to be very, very good. Azubuike was very effective. AR looked good, and when he gets healthy is gonna help out a lot. Biedrins had a sloppy game. Basically there are a few things that need to be adjusted, but the talent level is definetly there.

by bayareaballa on Oct 29, 2009 4:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ITS ALWAYS..... the 3rd quarter

Our team has always had an issue it seems with the 3rd quarter…. I dont know whether they just go to sleep after the half or just ease off, but they then always have to come back hard in the4th. Entertaining to watch…possibly….stupidly unnessesary pressure …. most definitely.

Curry it seems (so far) looks the real deal and I am very glad to see that clearly he has the skills to be the PG, allowing Ellis to concentrate on the shooting.

I would have liked to have seen Morrow a little more at times in as well at the 3 and please for the love of god…can we get rid of Jackson… or bench him! Looking at the Cavs two loses, he would probably ass…sorry I mean add some firepower for them concentrating purely on shooting…as his mind is clearly not on the game here..and he is so full of his own BS!!!

Overall… it seems a little better than last year, but to be fair…The Rockets are a team we should have beaten considering they were on a very strange travel schedule, off a loss, without two key star players and on our home court on opening night… I believe its a poor loss, but there are sparks of hope for the rest of the year…

Providing we get rid of Jackson and soon, before he affects the whole moral of the team…

GSOM Blog Beast!

by BritWarriorGSW on Oct 29, 2009 6:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If it wasn’t taken already, we should be 3rd Quarter Collapse instead of GSoM lol.

by Badly Browned on Oct 29, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

He just layed out a whole presentation with storyboards and everything

by 123707THIZZ on Oct 29, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and a free trip to a resort for those who listened?

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Standard GS opening night

Since we always lose our first game (fourth year in a row) this was a typical opening night. Stephen Curry continued to impress, Morrow is a great weapon to have, and as annoying as it is to see Jax hog the ball whenever he gets a touch, Ellis actually seems to hurt the team more. Monta’s points usually look good at the end of the game, but he’s a complementary player forced into a starring role, and his skills are not up to the task.

When Monta has a matchup advantage, he can go to town. But when he tries to do his thing against a team that’s wise to him, he runs into trouble way too often, and his lack of an outside shot means that you can clog the interior against him. Starting him and Curry is a bad idea IMO—Curry has not shot well yet and you end up with only Jax being dangerous from the outside.

Kelenna is underutilized. Like I said last night, I would actually start Curry and Kelenna at guard most nights, and pair up Monta and Morrow (granted, Ellis has to work on setting up Morrow for that to be effective). I’d rather see a more balanced rotation where everyone is fresh and we can run hard rather than giving Monta heavy minutes (he played 38 minutes last night and was -12 in that time, worst on the team) when he’s still such an incomplete player. This is not as much a knock on Monta (he is fabulous under the right circumstances) as a recognition of his limits.

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by worldblee on Oct 29, 2009 6:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Buike is still fighting injury, which would be why he played so little.

I’m gonna go into full Monta-hater mode right now because I agree that with this currently constructed team, he hurts more than helps, and copy-paste what I wrote on MT2s recap:

The Warriors have screwed up big time again. They have put everything they have into Ellis being the team captain, leader and franchise player and I don’t think it will pan out. To me, your leader needs to be a player on your team with great basketball IQ, and frankly that is one of Monta’s weakest areas. Think about all the playoff teams last year and who their leaders are: Boston – Garnett, Philly – Andre Miller, Cleveland – LeBron, Chicago – Rose, Detroit – Prince/Rip/Sheed, Orlando – Howard, Atlanta – Joe Johnson, Miami – Wade, Denver – Billups, Portland – Roy, Utah – D.Will, LA – Kobe, San Antonio – Duncan, Houston – Yao, Dallas – Kidd/Dirk, New Orleans – CP3.

Every player on that list with possibly the exception of Rose has extremely high BB IQ. The Warriors have done the equivalent of making Ben Gordon your franchise player. I don’t mean to hate on Ellis so much, but his attitude just hasn’t felt the same since Baron left, and I’m afraid that deep down he is like a shy version of Jackson.

I honestly think that this team would be better off in the long run by blowing up the veteran core now. Jackson and Ellis play for each other, Maggs plays for himself… The problem is exactly as it seems, the best distributor (Curry) and the best shooter (Morrow) can’t play very many minutes together because the veterans demand theirs. I really like Nellie, but even after Maggette’s clunker of a game, he said there’s no way he will ever tell Maggs not to shoot, and that just isn’t ok with me.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 29, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Er...me thinks

Monta and Buike… with Curry and Morrow playing together…. Curry knows how to set Morrow up really nicely…and they seem to have a good rapport between each other…

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by BritWarriorGSW on Oct 29, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like the idea of having consistent backcourt partners with this team. sure, you’d mix it up every now and then, but that doesn’t sound so bad to me. of course, i reserve the right to take that back if monta shows no desire to be the primary distributor.

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by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think much of the "not giving the ball to Morrow" was related to the way the defense paid some serious attention to him

Shane Battier on Morrow? When you’ve got Monta, Jax, and Maggette to contend with? That’s some respect, probably unexpectedly so. Sure, Battier wasn’t on him all the time, but it happened plenty last night. So not only do you have one of the premier defenders in the league on you, but your team wasn’t really expecting it, AND that creates a mismatch elsewhere to be exploited. Most teams won’t be able to put such a great defender on him, and if they do , it will continue to mean a better match up for the other guys on the floor. I’d rather have Monta going at Aaron Brooks instead of Morrow at Battier.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just finished the game on my DVR

To be quite honest, this night was defined by a lot of rookie mistakes by Steven Curry, like passing directly to Shane battier, trying to make too difficult passes, missing bad shots, and lastly, going for the layup at the end of the game. But still, I’m excited to have him, and he’ll only get better with time.

And honestly, we really blew the momentum we had going into half time. After that Randolph 3, I knew it would take a bad 3rd quarter in order to lose that lead, and it sure did. It’s not as if we were in a scoring drought, per se, but the rockets were simply on fire, and there wasn’t much we were doing to prevent that.

Don’t have much more thoughts than that, kind of a worthless and short comment compared to those above, but I figured I’d throw it in anyway.

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by Zorgon on Oct 29, 2009 7:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Curry did quite well for his first NBA game. And those bad passes, only turned into 2 turnovers. He had 7 assists and a decent shooting percentage, 7-12. There was no time on the clock for him to even kick the ball out to someone and get another 3 off…. so that’s a moot point.

by aBulldog on Oct 29, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we were out of timeouts as well right? Or did we have a another 20 sec left?

by Badly Browned on Oct 29, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We had 2 20 Second timeouts left

And Curry had the ball with 20 seconds to go while being surrounded by 2 Rockets defenders.

A timeout would have been a much better move, IMO.

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by Zorgon on Oct 29, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A timeout would have been a much better move, IMO.

   There was about 6 seconds when we threw it in, by the time More-O took the shot and Curr-bury secured the rebound there was not enough time left to get a time out called then inbound it. The buzzer went off about the time his shot went in.He did the only thing he could and might have drawn the foul if he was lucky.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may have been a bit stunned Morrow’s shot hadn’t fallen. I know I was.

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Err, I meant 2.0, not 20

But I think if he grabbed the ball and immediately called timeout, it would have worked. An inbounds with 2 seconds, 1 second, or even .5 of a second is better than a layup in with 0.1-1 seconds to go and the Rockets having the ball. I mean, unless we had Sheed-like heroics of stealing the ball and hurling it in, that wasn’t a winnable situation.

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by Zorgon on Oct 29, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone else think it was strange that Biedrins was in for the final play as well? He’s not going to take the shot, is worthless if fouled and at that point, and if you want a big to set a pick or make a pass, Turiaf seems like a better candidate. A rebound is unlikely to be meaningful unless you could get the immediate TO. (This also suggests that since Biedrins was in, they must have discussed the immediate TO in the huddle.

by jae on Oct 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curry appears to be the best passer on the team and the offense was quite certainly running more smoothly when he was in charge. He’s a better point guard than Monta. It’s not just that his passes get to the right guy, but they get there at the right height for a fluid shot.

One pass into Turiaf and one into Biedrins resulted in turnovers (I’m not sure who they charged them to) when either could have been easy bucket. One thought says that after a season of no one really running the point, neither were prepared to get the ball like that and with some time, that will open up a few extra easy points in the paint when they used to it. Another thought is that if they fumble those, Curry will give up with that.

by jae on Oct 29, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I was scrutinizing him too much

It was still a very solid performance. I’m just saying, had those mistakes not have happened, we might be looking at a win. Yes, he’s still light years ahead of Monta or any other Point Guard we had, I’m just saying, when he gets a bit more seasoned, we’ll win these types of games. I’m excited, honestly! It’s a huge refresher to finally have a goo PG on this team.

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by Zorgon on Oct 29, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m excited, honestly! It’s a huge refresher to finally have a good PG on this team.

   Hi Z, Don’t get too excited, about the time he develops a new shiny toy will catch their eye and they’ll throw Curr-bury into the big pile of last years favorites.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow you are like a broken record

by randolphforpresident on Oct 29, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. … and an insipid old record at that…

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol wtf is that?

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by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, I think those exact words to myself about every other Skeptic post…

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, that looks really authentic and a fail at a 60’s country release.

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by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol wtf is that?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, I just noticed the that! hahaha Country Hicks man, only Country Hicks.

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by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way, Biedrins couldn’t hit the broad side of it with a free throw…

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but I bet

   he could tear it up if he was drunk?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure he could shoot FTs better if he was drunk.

Then again, Amare plays defense like he’s drunk, so it evens out.

Hm, it’s starting to seem like Steph’s the only player in that whole “blockbuster” trade who’s worth a damn…

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow you are like a broken record

 the broken record of truth

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The pass to Biedrins looked like a good decision at first, I don’t think he realized Brooks was waiting in the post. All in all he did damn well for his first start. Not many rookies do as well as he did in their first game ala AMMO. lol

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by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis never looks for Morrow and Jax is taking up Morrow shots and minutes. It absolutely killed me to see Morrow like that tonight.

by Badly Browned on Oct 29, 2009 7:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Problems

1. Jack. I like the guy and I wanted him to change his ways, but now the exit seems inevitable. His utter refusal to move the ball in the 3rd killed our offensive rythym and put us in too deep a hole. His ball hogging also rubs off on Monta, because Monta feels like he has to create for himself when Jackson isn’t passing the ball. Monta seems to move the ball just fine when Jack isn’t in there.

2. Maggette. I loved his effort on the boards, but when he is not getting fouls and decides to shoot spot-up jumpers, we are going to lose. Also, if we are going to play him at the 4 for more than 5 minutes per game, we are going to lose.

3. Not getting the ball into Biedrins enough. He may not be a dominant post player offensively, but he has a servicable game, and the floor opens up when we go inside-out.

Really, the problem is Jackson. It has never been more obvious. Last year it was easier to forgive his hoggishness because he had to carry such a heavy load. This year, with Curry and Monta as better ball handlers, and Buike, Morrow, and Monta as better scoring options, Jackson’s offensive sins are unforgiveable. He has to go. Now.

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by Supafishal on Oct 29, 2009 7:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Was is just me…or did I see an angel with broken wings when Brandan Wright was announced?

by DuikeBuike on Oct 29, 2009 7:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I know that some of you are not happy when Jackson was getting booed

by the fans, but can you actually blame them? They are hurt and the guy doesn’t want to be here! Honestly, he should be worried if he’s not getting booed or any kind of reactions from the fans.

Can we please, please, do something with Maggette?

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by girltothemax on Oct 29, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was happy when they booed Jackson. You don’t deserve cheers when you’re getting paid MILLIONS of dollars, only to go out in public and demand a trade. It’s just unprofessional. It’s only slapping your fans in the face, which is the biggest form of disrespect to us, and to the game.

I was always a supporter of Maggette coming off the bench, cuz he is so great at getting to the line. But this team just has TOO many ball hogs. They need to do something with Jackson, Monta and Maggette. If they somehow packaged those three in a trade for a Center that could play defense, and had some kind of post game, then I would do it. I leave the bulk of the scoring to Morrow and Azubuike, who were #1 and #4 last year in 3 point shooting last year… why the hell aren’t they playing more? And for trading Monta, I just don’t think he can defend anybody in this league. Second rate guards scored too many points last night.

by aBulldog on Oct 29, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree. 100%. The problem is, the three combined make so much money that finding a way to trade all three of them is hard, but in some cases it leads to ridiculous things.

Sure, we’d be absolutely terrible this year. But I think in the long run we would be better off without those three players.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 29, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t mind the boos when they announced him, but booing Jack when he is at the FT line when the team is behind is overboard.

by Badly Browned on Oct 29, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, actually in my mind i’m not going to ever boo somebody on the team i like, because even though he might not be a team player or might piss off some fans i just don’t like doing it at all. And i especially liked the read Marcus Thompson gave. Just saying, hey boo all you want, you paid the money to boo him, plus i really can’t blame someone who wants to go out and express his desire to leave. It was the organizations fault to keep him in the first place as Marcus Thompson explained, giving him a 3 year 28 million dollar extension. He has the right to have his own opinion about what he’d like to do and express his disapproval with this organization just like we do here on the forums.

All in all, i’m more pissed at the organization for keeping him around and spending a ton of money on him than being pissed at him. He’s doing the same thing he always does, keep the ball and try to do too much with it, he’s trying to be a superstar when he isn’t, i can’t fault him for that. He does alot of things right, and some things wrong, holding the ball, bad shots, complains but look, i just don’t see why i’d boo somebody that signed a huge contract that management gave him, and wanting to be traded away from an organization who clearly has no idea what the hell they’re doing. I’m not booing him, nor will i ever boo him because he does contribute to the team.

by PiKAgiant on Oct 29, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

booing Jack when he is at the FT line when the team is behind is overboard.

 For sure, makes those fans look like they should be in utah. When did the bay area get so polluted?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a time and a place for Boo’ing. You boo at the start of the game…not when he is a part of the team trying to win with them…not when he is at the FT line…not when he makes a basket.

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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, was it the fans fault that Jackson adamantly demanded to be traded?

He needs to take responsibility for his actions and words. You can’t just blurt out trade demands and expect every fan to be jolly happy with forgiveness.

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by girltothemax on Oct 29, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s the same old Warriors. The 3rd quarter should never had happened, but you got the same results last year when they went into half time with the lead…. A team that doesn’t know how to play with the lead. They got lazy. Everyone is saying that Houston was just on fire, but it was a combination of that and just letting them have easy buckets… cuz there was A LOT of easy/uncontested shots in that 3rd quarter.

I hated how just about EVERY time Jackson, Maggette and Monta got the ball, they tried to create their own shot. There wasn’t much movement with the ball, and the passes that I did see, seemed to be skip passes, half of which were probably picked off. No rotation at all. I mean, Houston got 14 steals, c’mon. And it should be pointed out that Curry only had 2 turnovers.

The last thing that pissed me off was the rebounding. The teams were tied at 41 each… but they had freaking midgets playing. A 6-6 Center, and 6-8 Power Forward? Scola and Hayes out rebounded Biedrins and Turiaf. That shouldn’t happen when they don’t have Yao in there. I didn’t see anyone trying to block there man out. They didn’t have any communication on defense.

The problem to me, wasn’t really Jackson as much as it was Monta’s defense. He had a 12 in the +/ column, and I don’t know who he was supposed to be guarding last night, but both Ariza and Brooks scored A LOT of points. And the other problem was Maggette’s 3 of 14 shooting.

Who suprised me last night? Curry, Morrow and Azubuike. Those 3, along with Randolph should be the Warriors future. Randolph looked lost last night though.

The Warriors should have dominated Houston.

by aBulldog on Oct 29, 2009 7:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If we played Curry/Morrow/ Azu/AR/Beans for significant stretches, we would have dominated. Instead, we got fugly ball with Monta Jax and Maggs not even looking to dish it out.

by Badly Browned on Oct 29, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont understand why Nellie recognizes how terrible Maggs is doing

But does nothing about. He doesn’t tell him to do anything different, he doesnt take him out of the game, he simply sits there and does NOTHING!

by 123707THIZZ on Oct 29, 2009 8:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

he simply sits there and does NOTHING!

  In this case he’s doing the right thing. He’s playin the odds that Magette will revert back to the norm. A vet like Maggs has a better change of pulling out of it than a young guy does.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but not in the 3rd quarter while we’re falling behind. _ Nellie didn’t have an excuse when they were droppin’ 3’s on us.

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by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another person with a faulty memory. Look, the majority of us don’t like Maggette. Still there is no reason to make stuff up.

Maggette came into the 3rd quarter for Randolph with 5m 10s remaining. The score up to that point had been 25 to 9 in the Rockets favor. During his time, the score was Warriors 10, Rockets 10. During that span, the Rockets made 1 three. Really, they shouldn’t have gotten that three. It was the Budinger shot that came after Morrow rejected Brooks emphatically, yet for some reason Andris, instead of grabbing the ball, tipped it to open space (where Brooks recovered it).

by homer simpson on Oct 29, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cmon skep, don’t cover up the reality that Nellie probably came to the game drunk and through his beer goggles mistook Maggette for Morrow, after all they both start with an M. lol

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by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there were some good positive moments, and some negative moments for sure tonight. the warriors have some kinks to work out but have the makings to have a better year than last year. i agree with a lot of the post except the bit about Houston not being a good team. really? this team the past few years has overall usually played BETTER without Yao and Mcgrady. That coaching staff does a fantastic job with that team when they have to adjust to not having their “stars” although i suspect it’s been quite awhile since you could really call Mcgrady a “star”. but back to the warriors. Randolph looked good in limited minutes that he was not even suppose to be playing. (the foul call on the breakaway was the right call. it was a great play, but on the replay you could see he missed the ball a bit and got wrist.) Curry looked better as a whole than i anticipated and i had high hopes for his opening night. There were some moments throughout the game when he was clicking and we would go on some runs where you could see the potential this team has if they can just clean up there act in a few places. p.s. that also means get morrow the ball….a LOT more.

by dannyschmanny on Oct 29, 2009 8:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Houston is a good team, and I agree they may actually play better without the “stars.” It is more conducive to their style of play (ball movement, defense) to not have someone dominate possession. This doesn’t excuse an ugly loss, but give the Rockets credit, they play AS A TEAM.

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by Supafishal on Oct 29, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just two thoughts:

  • Jackson and Maggette are way too selfish for them to ever be a big part of a great Warriors team
  • What ever happened to the pick and roll to Biedrins?

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by Goofus on Oct 29, 2009 8:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What ever happened to the pick and roll to Biedrins?

Excellent, excellent question. Hopefully, once Monta just decides to be the best two-guard he can be for now and lets Curry run the show, we’ll see that reincorporated into the offense.

by onlxn on Oct 29, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed that it’s a good question. One of Jack’s more reliable plays the last couple of years was when he ran that pnr with Andris; they used to have pretty good timing with it. Now that we have Morrow and Curry, you think the floor would be spread well enough to pull off that maneuver pretty well.

by ffgolden on Oct 29, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm willing to chalk this one up to lack of early season chemistry.

Jackson did have some really nice feeds in the first half. I don’t know what happened after that, whether he just got pissed at the fans, or stopped feeling it, or what. But, it wasn’t just Jack that lost the feel, the entire team lost the flow in the second half. A lot of that is probably attributable to Jack, Monta, and Mags. I’m not dissing on Monta though,-i’m not sure he can play any differently yet, it’s not really his game – but Mags and Jack certainly know how to distribute if they want.

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by cybermaldonado on Oct 29, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

we'll lose 50 games

but as long as Curry plays it will be reason enough for me to waste 2 hours of my life for 82 days.

If you dont expect too much of this team (i.e. playoffs, 80-2, championship, mvp for monta, all star for all of our starters) one would be able to withstand the pain.

Of course that doesnt change the fact that the team we’re following is horrible, but hey people watched Flava of Love, this couldnt be that bad.

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by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Curry did good on his NBA Debut

But correct me if Im wrong. When Curry got the rebound from Morrow 3pt miss. He should call a timeout rather than putting it back to the basket. Before Jackson make an inbound pass that take him like 3sec before make that pass to Morrow. Can he just call a timeout and talk it over. At least they know Rockets are guarding Morrow and talk it over again what offense they should do. 6.6 seconds to the NBA is a lot of time, I saw Lebron making a 0.8 sec three points or even Roy do it. Or even AR made a 3pt shot on the end of the 3rd quarter. Last time I check they still have 2 timeouts left. Oh well it is only the 1st game of the season, I hope they learn from their mistake.

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by mykelala01 on Oct 29, 2009 10:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea they probably could have called a time out, the only thing that would have mattered was the time to get set and shoot the ball. With 3 seconds left it’d be tough, when they had 6.6 they could have passed and shot it, but hey, it is what it is, not a great way to start the season

by PiKAgiant on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

curry..

By the time Curry got the rebound, time was basically out. Even Barnett said that there wasn’t much he could do. Bottom line—-the Rocket were dropping aobut 50% of their 3s and taking a lot of them, and the Warriors went stone cold in the 3rd. Curry looks like a good, heads up player to me.

by oldschoolish on Oct 29, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know he got nothing much he can do coz he just put in a 2pts

But upon watching the replay over and over again when he rebound the ball he pump fake before make a shot so it means there is like a 2 to 3 sec left on the time clock. A veteran player will recognized or even a center whenever he got the rebound and they are down 3. Automatic call a timeout. But what happen Curry got the rebound fake then make the shot. I can say is more of a rookie mistake. And if you watch the replay Monta is Piss coz he is open in the Corner asking for the ball because he was open to take the three that we know 50/50 he wont. But if you have a time to react like that, you have a time to call a timeout and make a good inbound play.

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by mykelala01 on Oct 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, you have to see it as the refs aren’t gonna call it RIGHT AWAY therefore burning the clock down to 2 to 1.5 seconds. The chances of getting a viable play off in that time is less than him trying to get a foul and and 1 under the basket.

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by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Brooks who are guarding him that time

did not even challenge the shot. So 1.5 sec out of the inbound pass if they call a timeout would be a better play.

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by mykelala01 on Oct 29, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely

JAX fails the leadership test again…he should have called a timeout instead of inbounding the ball.
I dont think Curry should have looked for a pass either…he could have got fouled putting the ball back in and had a good chance at 3pts. Morrow didnt relaly move after he shot the ball so I dont think anyone was really open for a last second 3.

by warriorsvictim on Oct 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had a better chance trying to draw a dumb foul and get the and1 in 3 sec than to take a time out have like 1 and a half seconds to perfom a Devin Harris game winner. You have to see it as the refs ARENT gnna call it right away.

- iBall, do you?

by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggette

He drafted himself on his fantasy team. That’s the only explanation I have on why he kept shooting the ball last night.

by lightz0ut on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Jackson to Cavs thought

If the hangup of Jackson going to Cleveland for Ilgauskas is that the Cavs want backup for Shaq, then why not throw in Mikki Moore. I’m not sure what the plan is for him anyway.

by candlestickkid on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Moore

I think the plan is, that when someone gets hurt, we’ll need him.

by oldschoolish on Oct 29, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they want turiaf with jack

my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"

by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol. Turiaf is our only powerhouse post player, throw in Mikki.

- iBall, do you?

by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mid-morning thoughts...

Only one really.

Don Nelson said during the post-game press conference that he didn’t mind Maggette putting up as many shots as he did because he’s a veteran…

But c’mon Nellie, you’ve gotta see how he absolutely murdered the momentum coming out of halftime and into the fourth quarter. The defense got stagnant, people were giving up on plays (Captain Jack), and the Rockets were hot, gotta give em credit.

by Elevation Sensation on Oct 29, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We really need to get rid of Jackson.

Please, trade him soon or buy him out. I absolutely hated seeing him on the floor today, the body language was horrendous, in my opinion. He passed up on an open Morrow at least 4-5 times when I was watching, and his facial expressions on the bench were pretty pathetic, like “I’d rather be warming benches somewhere else.” Anyone else see the guy that was sitting right behind him, patting him on the back when he came out of the game, always in his ear?

He is going to poison this team, he kills possessions, with Curry running the point as well as he did(I know it’s one game), Jackson’s “ball-handles” and “play-making” are expendable.

Come on management, get rid of this guy.

by DubsDominate on Oct 29, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Curry makes better passing decisions than Jax will ever be able to obtain. He lacks “court-vision” we really need to get rid of him if he doesnt wanna be here.

- iBall, do you?

by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best defenders

last night for the full 48 were Curry and Morrow. Sad that Morrow only played so many minutes with Maggs wasting the game trying to find a jump shot he doesn’t have. Jackson was TERRIBLE on defense. Most of the warriors didn’t even bother to close out on the three pointers even when they had the opportunity. It’s really sad that Maggs, Nellie and Jax lost the game last night.

- iBall, do you?

by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Morrow..

Atma—In response to one of your bullets—-Shane Battier and the Rockets were locked down pretty tight on Morrow. They effectively took him out of the game. I don’t think the Ws forgot about him. Battier is a tough defender.

by oldschoolish on Oct 29, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Morrow has some issues

He had no clock awareness on that last shot, forcing up a shot with 4.4 seconds left.
He could have faked, and taken a couple dribbles to try to improve his shot since they needed 3 to tie it – a put back was not an option.
I think this is thet type of thing Nellie sees in him, so Nellie will continue to limit his minutes early to allow for slow development.
If Morrow comes out playing a lot of minutes and jacking up shots, he will never be anything more than a shooter and he has so much more potential than that.

by warriorsvictim on Oct 29, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

UHHH he tried to get contact so he could get to the freethrow line. 3 at the line is a lot easier than 3 from deep.

- iBall, do you?

by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That quick shot by Morrow was addressed by Nellie post game

-NELSON: They were going to foul… if we didn’t run a catch-and-shoot play. They had a foul to give. So it didn’t really matter. We were definitely going to go to Morrow. His job was to make sure if they fouled, he got a shot up where he got three free throws. So he was really aware of that.

by IQofaWarrior on Oct 29, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also there wasn’t much of a better option. Morrow was covered by 2 defenders they just did a great job of not fouling. He also is our best 3pt shooter % wise so it wasn’t a bad play.

- iBall, do you?

by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

% wise it wasn’t a bad play.

  I still want to know why Rudolf wasn’t in for the last few minutes? He was the spark that reversed the game at the end of the 2nd quarter so why wasn’t he playing the last part of the 4th quarter when we were behind? Did he re-aggravate his injury in his few minutes of play?

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s in the doghouse again. Why? Who knows.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 29, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why? Who knows.

  That’s the one question they shoulda asked in the post game interview. Why did we not go to our most determined player in crunch time?

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you watch the 3rd quarter?

Rudolph got taken out behind the woodshood (the block) and ABUSED by Luis Scola

At this point, unfortunately, Rudolph is most effective as a 5. That means we have 4 centers and no power forwards.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Oct 29, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

woodshed

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Oct 29, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is the woodshed anywhere near the broad side of the barn?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudolph is most effective as a 5. That means we have 4 centers and no power forwards.

  I don’t see any centers? Who has the post up game?
   If Rudolf is gonna be our franchise player he needs to be in there at crunch time. Or has he lost favor to the new toy?

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

F Jack

He played terribly last night considering his hoops IQ. I thought he played selfishly which is the worst thing possible unless your name is LeBron or Kobe.
I think he forced that Randolph turnover that led to the Randolph block by holding his hands out an demanding the ball from a young player.
Randolph thinks he is doing something wrong because everyone tells him his handles arent as good as he thinks, so he is forced into a mental error=bad pass.
Based on Jack’s comments to the media, I would sit his ass down until the right trade comes along.
He will never do what the TEAM need on the floor. Period.

by warriorsvictim on Oct 29, 2009 11:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL Lebron’s never played ONE GAME selfishly, that’s what seperates him and Dwade from Kobe.

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by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But then again that’s why I have LBJ so much higher on my lists of favorite players, simply because he’s a team player.

- iBall, do you?

by iBallGSW on Oct 29, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curry was a badass

He was composed, which is the most important thing in a rookie.
He is going to make mistakes, but he will not make mistake because he is out of control, he just wont make the proper decision sometimes, and you can learn from that.
I am finally seeing what nellie sees in him, and I will gladly take him over 1 year of Amare

by warriorsvictim on Oct 29, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post Atma

Agreed with most of your points, particularly about Beans and Turiaf. They got eaten alive this game.

I think Jackson was fine, but was a little out of rhythmn because 1) the ball was in his hands far less than last year and 2) he was banished to guard Battier, which wasted him on defense. He stated in the post-game conference that he wants to be guarding the best player every night, which meant Ariza in this game. I think we would have won this game if Nellie had started him on Ariza, and Monta on Battier.

And I disagree completely about Houston. This is a proud and very competitive team. I fully expect them to contend for the playoffs in the greatly weakened bottom of the ladder.

by feltb0t on Oct 29, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Monta on Battier?

Battier would have abused him. It would be interesting to see if Monta would have enough gas in the tank to score after playing tough defense though.

by warriorsvictim on Oct 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

tough loss. the rockets looked like the sort of team we should have been able to take. they don’t have the great low post scorer to punish our lack of depth at the bigs, they don’t have a ton of firepower, so if we were lighting it up, they’d have been left in the dust, but the thing is, they aren’t a bad team. they aren’t a good team either, but the way they rebound and defend and play smart basketball, it’s easy to see how they would take advantage of key warrior miscues. those mistakes will happen, we’re a young team, and savvy teams like houston will take advantage.

important to note: wages of wins really likes this scrappy rockets team. that’s one source that refuses to write off a well coached team that defends and rebounds. i think it’d be a bad idea for the rest of the NBA to overlook them. we should have beaten them, but they aren’t a junk team, even without t-mac and yao.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think they are better without TMAC and YAO

Maybe not better in a 7 game series, but better over the course of a season. They play so well together and EVERYONE contributes.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Oct 29, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thoughts

Curry and Monta impressed on defense. Last year the dribble penetration against us was the weakest part of our team. Looks much better already…

Monta has to become proficient at driving the middle and kicking out for a three. Baron was so good at that, I forget that it is something that needs practice, going full steam ahead while retaining enough control to throw behind your body accurately. But until he does that a few times a game, and dishes to Curry, Morrow and Kelana, other teams won’t respect it, will see on film that he never dishes for three, and will be able to collapse the middle on Monta.

Maggette has to take those shots. Houston wasn’t allowing his drive and was allowing him (and a few others) lots of space to take that shot. He has to take it, if he’s on the floor and is played that way. If we had a few more stops and didn’t allow their defense to get set as often, it wouldn’t have stood out as much. It’s really on Nelson to adjust the personnel when the offense is bogged down because the other team is too comfortable in their defensive sets. We did the same thing to Landry and to Battier a bit, daring them to take out of rhythm 18 footers.

Maggette played hard on defense though, played hard for rebounds, ran the floor and was in the position he’s supposed to be in. The problem is that he’s such a lousy passer that you don’t really want him to start second guessing his shot, you play him, you accept that you put him on a wing and won’t get much ball movement once he receives the ball.

Missed free throws hurt us, after several years of seeing the team improve bit by bit at the line, the number of bricks in this first game were a bad omen.

It was great to see that Randoplh’s energy was still effective in changing the game. As he gets healthier again, we’ll have a legitimate piece to play. The bad pass turnover/steal was partly Jackson’s fault. But Randoplh has to recognize that veterans do that as a tactic to get defenders to notice them, when Jackson or Eliis calls for a ball often there is a split second opportunity to go the other way as the defense leans in the ball caleer’s direction.

Turiaf, Randolph, Biedrins, Morrow, Azubuike did a decent job of contesting shots. The Rockets’ drives and put-backs were sufficiently difficult. They weren’t as good at knowing how to defend Scola’s post moves (and Anderson to an extent).

After one game it is even more obvious that the Warriors are a bad half-court team and a good chaotic team. Having Curry with the ball will make transition even more effective. The Warriors are going to have to figure ways to get better in half court sets (Curry pick and roll), but even more so are going to have to figure out how to change momentum when the offense bogs down.

In those last couple of minutes when the effort was frantic, Curry shot better, his balance was perfect. He looked just like the Davidson double-teamed Curry.
 

by jakarta on Oct 29, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maggette played hard on defense though, played hard for rebounds

That made me remember one Maggette hustle play last night, when he DOVE towards a loose ball. And I mean, he DOVE for it, like a football player hungrily diving towards a fumble. I had never seen that level of hunger before from Maggette.

by IQofaWarrior on Oct 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magg's D was horrible. They kept going at him

Even on the Rockets boards they were laughing at how Nellie let him continue to get abused

by 123707THIZZ on Oct 29, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't put all that on Maggette

If you have 6’6" Maggette defending the post, you are 1) setting him up to get abused, 2) not expecting that he’ll do any weak side shot contesting. He held his ground in the post almost every time long enough for a double team to rotate over, but the Warriors didn’t do that effectively at all. He also didn’t compound his disadvantage by taking lots of stupid fouls.

by jakarta on Oct 29, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep… you can’t hate on Maggette for not being able to defend fours and fives. I can’t be too mad at Nellie for putting him in that position last night, because I’m not sure that Mikki Moore would be any better. But we could sure use a backup four, because Maggette ain’t one.

by onlxn on Oct 29, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best thing Maggette could do for us right now is to figure out if this is a year when he can shoot threes. He’s had years when he shot them quite well… his last year with the Clippers, in fact, he shot them at a higher percentage than Jack ever has. But he also has years where they just don’t fall. Last year was one of those years… he spent five or six weeks trying to tell if he was gonna make ’em, and those five or six weeks were not exactly helpful to our cause.

I give Maggette four more games. If he’s not showing signs that he can make a three with at least decent regularity, he needs to stop taking them. He’d be a lot more valuable if he could hit them, but if he can’t hit them, better that he doesn’t try.

by onlxn on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who’s to say the fifth game won’t be the game he turns it around…?

I’d say a safer and more logical solution is to tell him right now to stop taking them, except in situations where we absolutely need a 3. We already have two of the best 3 pt shooters in the league, and a rookie who in college had seemingly unlimited range. Even if Jackson gets traded for a total non-shooter (Balkman, e.g.?), I don’t think we need or want Maggs hanging out on the perimeter.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggs

is not going to be a good 3-point shooter, or shooter of any kind, really. Sure, he has those games where he gets hot, but his style is not tailored to it. My question is, where was his post-up game last night? On a team without a viable post player beyond Biedrins, you would think this would be his focal point.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Oct 29, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d generally agree, but if we’re going to keep playing Maggs at the four, it’d be nice if he could space the floor is a viable three-point threat. If he can’t hit from outside, he’s the worst of all worlds at the four — a guy who doesn’t do anything offensively that fours are unprepared for, and who’s completely unprepared to defend them in turn. (Obviously the best outcome would be no more Maggette at the four. But we’re undermanned, and Nellie seems to think it’s worthwhile.)

by onlxn on Oct 29, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That certainly seemed like the idea last night: Keep shooting until they fall, because if they do, maybe Scola and Landry’s effectiveness will be balanced out. Unfortunately they never fell. Fact is, Maggette just shouldn’t play the four, ever. If he has a three guarding him, he can drive him and get to the line, which is where Maggs is most useful anyway. Play Randolph even when he’s not doing so hot; play Mikki Moore ferchrissakes, just no more Maggs at the four!

by ffgolden on Oct 29, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Maggette was going to take those jumpers, what he should have done was shot from 17-19 ft instead of 20-22. He easily could have done this as Scola/Landry/Hayes were playing so far off of him that he could have taken a few rhythm dribbles forward and still had enough space to pop his jumper.

by homer simpson on Oct 29, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep… it’s not like Maggette has struggled to score against threes over the course of his career. In fact, I’m not sure why there’d be an expectation that he’d do better against fours than against threes. He’s quick enough to get to the basket against either, and he’s more likely to outmuscle threes when he gets there.

Mikki Moore really sorta stinks, is the problem. I’d frankly rather we sign Donyell to back up at the four… at least he does one thing well, not to mention the fun surreality his return would bring.

by onlxn on Oct 29, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was actually shooting 3’s decently during the preseason, but looks like it didnt carry over.

by Badly Browned on Oct 29, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the last play

You knew, I knew, and more importantly, the Rockets knew it was going to Morrow. Why not run the Morrow at the top of the key play to draw the defense, then kick it to last year’s #4 3 ponit shooter at his favorite spot, in the corner instead? It was a very transparent plain vanilla play.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nelson Lost This One!

I think the game was lost once Nelson went with putting four quards on the floor with only one big. On the defensive end, if the big comes out of the lane to either contest a shot or pick up a guy on the switch, the other team is able to get the put back on the offensive end.
Granted, we weren’t exactly running the Rockets off the floor, but we played better defensively when we had a more traditional line up.
With already playing with a small back court, it would be nice if we could get any combination of two of our bigs on the floor. Watching the other team get 2-3 chances on the offensive end per possesion is unacceptable!

By the way, who was that cat in the green pajamas? LMAO, just goes to show no love for “Club 200”!

by ajtrinc on Oct 29, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the game was lost once Nelson went with putting four quards on the floor with only one big

an injured wright and randolph made that a near necessity. i doubt that giving mikki moore some burn would have changed the result of this one and giving randolph more minutes while he’s recovering from an injury is a risky move for a team that isn’t exactly ready to contend.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d have to say giving Moore some minutes last night may not have paid off on the offensive end of the floor, but it sure wouldn’t have killed us to have another big body on the floor pulling rebounds.
I understand we are a little short handed, but that is supposedly why they signed Moore, to add depth. I’m not saying play him extensive minutes, but long enough to give the other guys in the rotation a breather and ensure we don’t give up second chance opportunities on the floor.

by ajtrinc on Oct 29, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

last night, giving moore a few minutes might have helped us out a bit, but mostly because of how abysmal maggs was offensively. say what you will about maggette, but the guy usually fills it up and while he wasn’t good in the post on d, most nights he’s enough of an improvement over moore where i’d rather see him out there. i can’t chalk up this loss to nelson’s coaching, because 9 times out of 10, maggette over moore is a move that pays off. let’s hope that maggette gets his offensive game going because if he’s that bad, we are going to lose a ton of games this year.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying play him extensive minutes, but long enough to give the other guys in the rotation a breather

  Yeah, If you don’t play him in a game like last night when would you ever play him? Nellie for some reason likes to destroy useful assets, he’s done this with lots of players.

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nellie for some reason likes to destroy useful assets, he’s done this with lots of players.

I’m curious who this includes? I’m sure there’s a few, but I’d confidently wager that the list of players he has built up into useful assets far outnumbers that destroy-list (recently build-ups: Matt Barnes, Andris Biedrins, Monta Ellis, Anthony Morrow).

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by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 29, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m glad this has become a monthly game that we play with skep.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. Someone could probably draw a very complicated and interesting Venn diagram illustrating the various opinions (Warriors-related and otherwise) on which Atma Bro and the various GSoM regulars overlap and diverge. Sometimes even I have a hard time keeping track…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing I’m not opinionated.

Golden State of Mind :: Always keeping it... "Unstoppable Baby!"

by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

Me neither.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we’ll need a lot of charts and a large survey to make this happen. someone call up jae.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Oct 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m curious who this includes?

  I said useful, not star. Some examples come to mind. We had foyle on the bench all year when we were short big men , JazzyCabbages sitting when we needed backup guard minutes, Josh Powell can find time on the world championship lakers but not on the lowly warriors? It’s little things like this that make winners, it’s easy to coach the stars but more important to coach the whole team.

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s little things like this that make winners

Actually, it’s big things like Kobe, Gasol, Odom, and Bynum.

12th man fodder like Cabbages, Foyle, and Josh Powell make about as much difference as your and my posts on GSoM.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

And less than my posts

At least, that’s my humble opinion…

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s big things like Kobe, Gasol, Odom, and Bynum.

  Well yeah if we had any of them but we don’t so we need to play all out and take advantage of every little thing we can. If Foyle can come in for a few minutes and put some muscle on the utah bigs that’s less strain on Dris. If Cabbages can let Boom get a blow we might have a better closing effort. If Powell can produce for Phil Jackson then Nellie should be able to get something out of him.

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adonal Foyle and Sarunas Jasikevicius should never get meaningful minutes in an NBA playoff game, period. That you don’t get this suggests that you’re even an kookier dude than Nelson, if this weren’t already clear.

Powell is a much worse player than Brandan Wright, who (rather unfairly, imo) has had to struggle for minutes in Nellie’s sytem. He gets a few scrap minutes on the Lakers largely because the Lakers, while much more talented at the top than the Warriors, are less deep overall. And when he’s gotten minutes in LA, he’s performed exactly as Nellie would have expected: mediocre-to-poorly.

If there’s one area where you have to totally tip your hat to Nellie, it’s his quick, decisive, and overwhelmingly accurate recognition of NBA talent and lack thereof. This goes for the stars (Hardaway, Mullin, Nowitzki, Nash, Webber, Baron, maybe Curry, e.g.), the diamonds in the rough (Monta, Morrow, Azubuike, e.g.), and the duds (Foyle, Cabbages, Powell, TMNT, Belinelli, e.g.)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Adonal Foyle and Sarunas Jasikevicius should never get meaningful minutes in an NBA playoff game, period

 You don’t understand the concept of team sports. It’s along season and everyone on the team can provide something useful if the coaches are on the ball. Some of the most valuable guys in baseball are the clutch pinch hitters and some of the most important minutes in basketball can be the bench players stepping up and performing better than their talent might suggest. The best way to get these guys guys to perform is to give them some stake in the outcome, if they feel appreciated they’ll put out better effort. Even a couple of minutes a night can be a motivator, a change of pace for the other team’s defense to figure out and a good rest for one of our regulars.

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some of the most valuable guys in baseball are the clutch pinch hitters

Umm… if they were such good hitters, wouldn’t they be more productive with more than 15-20 ABs per season? You wouldn’t need a pinch hitter if they were slapping in RBIs in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th innings (not to mention the others).

bench players stepping up and performing better than their talent might suggest.

You do realize this is somewhat of an oxymoron, right? If they regularly performed better, their talent would suggest that they perform as they regularly perform. Someone playing above their expected talent base is inherently not going to happen often.

The best way to get these guys guys to perform is to give them some stake in the outcome, if they feel appreciated they’ll put out better effort.

The same can be said about the starters. Imagine how Monta would feel if you took 5 of his 33 minutes a night and gave them to Cabbages. Imagine how Kelenna would feel if you gave 5 of Monta’s minutes to Cabbages instead of him, when he’s only getting 20 and could easily handle more. Those two would be pissed that coach is putting in an inferior player when they’re ready and willing to play themselves. See how it works? As Sleepy said, “minutes played is a zero-sum game, and time taken from "pretty good" players like Cabbages, Marco and Powell can go directly to better players like Monta, Buike, Morrow, Curry, and Wright.” The NBA is about winning, not making Cabbages, Foyle, et. al. the best they can be (that’s what the army’s for).

Even a couple of minutes a night can be a motivator, a change of pace for the other team’s defense to figure out and a good rest for one of our regulars.

A couple of minutes a night of Cabbages replacing Monta is a couple minutes a night of the opposing coach saying, “Whew, maybe I can rest my starters for a bit.” If there was noone else, sure give Monta a rest. But there are numerous other players whose names are Curry, Watson, Azubuike, Morrow, etc.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But there are numerous other players whose names are Curry, Watson, Azubuike, Morrow, etc.

  When we had cabbages those guys weren’t here, nellie was just running Boom into the ground after games were decided or leaving him in when he was too gassed to play at top speed. You get all the players emotionally invested in the season and the game and you get better results, that the way life works.

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Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough, but I think you've got your years screwed up too

In 06/07 BD played 35 minutes a game. A lot, but far from “running him into the ground” territory.

We still had Monta, Jax, JRich, Barnes, and Air France. Nobody on that 06/07 team got more than Baron’s 35 minutes, and we had 8 guys getting between 23 and 35 minutes. Kelenna & CJ were here.

And Cabbages did 10 MPG in 26 games. You wanted him to get more time than that?

So, you’d have taken 5 more of Pietrus or Barnes’ minutes (in the middle of a frantic playoff push) and given them to a crappy PG the team planned to buy out of his contract a few months later? Umm… no.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 30, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d hold up on calling Belinelli a dud. He looked pretty good last night for the time he was on the floor.

I think you give Nelson too much credit as a talent evaluator. It’s not hard to find a star and as far as the diamonds in the rough, I’m sure he had little to do with bringing them up (Especially Monta who was drafted before Nelson came to the team.)

As far as the duds, I wouldn’t consider any of those players duds. I think used properly each can contribute to a team in his own way.

by ajtrinc on Oct 29, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cabbages shot 37% from the floor with the Warriors, had 2.4 rebounds, 7.1 assists and 3.6 turnovers per 36 minutes, and left the NBA at the end of the season, likely never to return. If that’s not a “dud” I’m not sure what is.

The other guys may be varying degrees above “dud,” but in NBA you only get to play 9-10 guys regularly, and none of those guys is a key part of a good team’s regular rotation. It’s rather pointless to talk about a fringe player’s talent in a vacuum: minutes played is a zero-sum game, and time taken from “pretty good” players like Cabbages, Marco and Powell can go directly to better players like Monta, Buike, Morrow, Curry, and Wright.

Bottom line: few if any of the players Nellie has totally given up on are guys anyone missed or is going to miss terribly (correct me if I’m forgetting someone); and pretty much all the guys he’s coached who have had real star quality have either immediately or eventually found their way into his heart, and core playing rotation. (He had more than “little” to do with bringing up Monta, btw — Monta went from fringe player to borderline star under him).

That track record may not be worthy of a Nobel prize, but it’s better than that of a lot of other coaches; and certainly better than that of the vast majority of fans, who tend to have all kinds of trouble distinguishing between players who occasionally “look pretty good” and players who consistently contribute to wins.

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The player who stands out the most in my memory is Ty Hill. Nellie never seemed to care for him. He didn’t have a polished offensive game, though he didn’t make himself a liability by taking shots that he couldn’t make. He could rebound the ball though and showed his worth as a defensive player and rebounder when he went back east. Other than that, generally the players that Nellie identifies as contributors contribute and the ones that wind up in his dog house don’t blossom elsewhere either.

by jae on Oct 29, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you can use cabbages per 36 to validate him as a dud. He only averaged 11.9 minutes per game with the Warriors.

I also think you can mistake dud with someone that just doesn’t fint into the coaches plans for the team. Powell gets minutes with the Lakers and I think Bellinelli will flourish with steady minutes in Toronto (and I think in the long run Bellinelli will be the better all around player compared to Morrow.)
I also don’t get the Ellis argument. I don’t see when he was considered a fringe player, maybe before the draft since he fell in the second round. He did get more minutes in his second season, Nelson’s first, so if we are assuming Montgomery wasn’t going to play Ellis anymore than Nelson, then sure Nelson recognized Ellis was better than a player off the bench.

by ajtrinc on Oct 30, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we are assuming Montgomery wasn’t going to play Ellis anymore than Nelson, then sure Nelson recognized Ellis was better than a player off the bench.

  I think Montgomery recognized Montay’s talent and woulda played him more next year. Montogemey’s a good talent developer, his winning percentage is a lot higher than Nellie’s.

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Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 30, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there’s one area where you have to totally tip your hat to Nellie, it’s his quick, decisive, and overwhelmingly accurate recognition of NBA talent and lack thereof. This goes for the stars (Hardaway, Mullin, Nowitzki, Nash, Webber, Baron, maybe Curry, e.g.), the diamonds in the rough (Monta, Morrow, Azubuike, e.g.), and the duds (Foyle, Cabbages, Powell, TMNT, Belinelli, e.g.)

Where does Randolph fit into this? Does he get his own category? If so, I can’t figure out what to call it…

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sarunas Jasikevicius (pronounced somwhat like “cabbages”)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

MAGGETTE

I think Maggette should’ve been pulled for Jack. When the defense backs off you and you keep taking and missing shots, you should make an adjustment and PASS. That never enters into his thought process. If you give him an open shot, even if he hasn’t made one all night, he’ll take it rather than pass it up. It’s so frustrating watching him when that happens. Jack was having a better night, despite if u think he’s making douchebag comments or not. As far as him giving Randolph advice after the TO that was partially his fault, what’s so wrong with that? They were both wrong. Randolph shouldn’t have telegraphed it so bad, and Jack should have met the pass. Maybe all he said was “My Bad.” I think everyone just wants more of a reason to be mad @ Jack so they’re nitpicking every single thing. I’m one of the few that, despite all that he’s done this offseason, isn’t mad @ him and actually wants him to stay.

Anthony Morrow's jumper is so pure, he has to cut it with baking soda.

by dindin on Oct 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can The Maggette Apologists Agree..

that after last nights games Corey is a black hole chucker that is absolutely awful and needs to be mucked? The guy is terrible..I’d trade him for Eddy Curry.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Oct 29, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No

It was just one game. Get over yourself. Do I get to write a “Can the Maggette haters agree…” when Maggette goes 6/8 FG with 10/12 at the FT line that we can all agree that Maggette is a useful contributor and unstoppable offensive force? No. He’s somewhere between those two extremes. Sometimes he’ll have a good day, sometimes a bad day. It’s called variance, and everybody is subject to it.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said he can’t be a contributor, but continually chucking up shots, knowing you’re already having an off night, rather than trying to see if someone else can get a better look is frustrating. Maggette can be productive, but he has never been a jump shooter. That’s not his strength. That’s why they were backing off because they know he isn’t a consistent enough shooter and they could live with him taking that shot.

Anthony Morrow's jumper is so pure, he has to cut it with baking soda.

by dindin on Oct 29, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same as last year

Warriors blow game away and hand it to other team.

Missed free throws
poor shot selection
selfish playing by maggette and Jackson
Monta missing easy lay-ups
Scola hits shot after shot
Ariza hits shot after shot
Rockets 3 point shooting was en fuego!

The Warriors lose so many close games that it is obvious that youth don’t know how to ko for the kill when the killin’ is to be had!

by jlcdb70 on Oct 29, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Monta The Warriors missing easy lay-ups

Seriously, everybody was missing layups, don’t put it all on one guy.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 29, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Majority on Monta

He missed most open shots for GSW on opening night. Then Jacko and Mags shot like nervous rooks.

by jlcdb70 on Oct 30, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All i know is that if we have any chance of making the playoffs, we have to win these close games at home. Also Curry has to have the ball at all times especially in these early games so he can get use to the NBA game.

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by gametime_gsw on Oct 29, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Curry needs to be himself

eventually, fans of the game will see the brilliance in his selection. Although, either Curry, Flynn or Lawson would have been a wise selection. Great group of guards in last years draft – equivalent to the 1985 NFL draft class for quarterbacks.

Also, Monta was hogging the ball too much at times when he should have involved Curry a bit more. There were moments where Curry was non-existant because Monta acted like he was the point and not the other way around. At those moments, the GSW played like they were down a man, imo.

by jlcdb70 on Oct 30, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game One

Everyone was off last night and that is what contributed to the loss. Heck, the guys that come out and dunk on the trampoline couldn’t flush their last couple of attempts. Let’s hope they put it together for game two and Nelson extends his bench a little.

by ajtrinc on Oct 29, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs


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