Exploring possible trade with Detroit
We all like to create our own ideal trade scenarios with the Warriors. Based on previous and current information, I think this would be a great deal for both teams and I will explain why. Keep in mind, if this were to realistically be a possibility, I would strongly assume it would happen near the all-star break rather than sooner.
Detroit receives: Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, (possibly C.J. Watson)
Golden State receives: T. Prince, Ben Gordon
Obviously, this deal would reconstruct both teams and would derail the Pistons' long term desires to have Ben Gordon as their starting 2 guard, but both teams would be better after the deal.
Reasons why the Pistons would want Monta Ellis vs. Ben Gordon: He gives them a more athletic backcourt paired with the 6-5 Rodney Stuckey. The Pistons seem to be changing the style of their team to a scoring culture with the latest additions of Villanueva and Gordon. Monta would work much better in their offense with Charlie V. as he would draw defenses with his drive and be able to kick out to Villanueva, allowing him to do what he does best on offense. While Ben Gordon, he is more effective with the ball in his hands, creating his own shot from mid-range. Defensively, Monta is compatible with a big guard like Stuckey, and can spell the point guard position as well. Something Ben Gordon can not do. RIP Hamilton's game contrasts Monta's well coming off the bench. Hamilton provides better defense and does some of the same things Gordon does best, like coming off screens, catching and shooting the ball.
Reasons why the Warriors would want Ben Gordon vs. Monta Ellis: Curry and Gordon would be absolutely remarkable together. Gordon is a strong, compact, player who moves well without the ball. His pure shooting ability, along with Stephen Curry's uncanny ability to get his teammates open shots, would give us and unstoppable force of ammunition and clout with Curry, Gordon, and Morrow in the game at the same time. See, Monta is not nearly the shooter Gordon is, but he's twice the athlete. Monta needs the ball in his hands initially to be most effective, he doesn't need somebody to find him for good three point looks or jumpers off of screens, as much as a Gordon does. Curry would find Ben Gordon with money passes every time. Gordon also has more size, giving our backcourt a little more toughness and competitiveness on the defensive end, while refining our offense.
Reasons why the Pistons would want Stephen Jackson: Given the rumors are true that Mullin had a deal all but signed, sealed, and delivered with Detroit for Tayshaun Prince, you can't help but suspect that they would still want him, after the season he had last year. Keep in mind, this supposed deal was on after the whole brawl in the stands went down. Compared to that, do you really think Jackson's loud mouth trade demands would impact their opinion of the man more than him swinging blows at a popcorn weilding fan? No. They still want him, and he would bring that toughness and grit Detroit is famous for possessing. His friendship with Monta would sweeten the deal from a chemistry aspect, making the transition smoother. It's not as if Gordon is settled in at this point, anyways.
Reasons why the Warriors would want T. Prince: "I like skinny players." Just kidding. But hey, Prince is a skinny, athletic, 6-9 who can shoot the three, play premium perimeter defense, keep his mouth shut, and handle the ball a bit. Somebody Randolph could learn from. His game fits some of our immediate needs, and he brings some discipline to our team offensively. We don't have to worry about Prince hogging the ball and putting up stupid 3's. He will make the open shot and bust his rear on defense. He can help Randolph when he's struggling against some of the better, lighter PF's, when AR is stacking up the fouls. He can obviously guard the 3, and some nights against bigger 2's like Rudy Gay and such. He's a glue guy who sets the tone on defense. He could set up Randolph for some beautiful weak side blocks, he really rides guys nicely all the way to the rim.
Why I would throw in C.J. Watson: 1. He's leaving anyway. 2. We don't have the minutes he deserves. 3. It would help them find more reason in trading Gordon for Ellis, since they are similar players in a sense. 4. It would give them depth at the point behind Bynum. 5. Watson is capable of becoming the pure shooter Monta is not, plays better defense, and spells some of the perimeter fire power lost given a Gordon departure.
What do you guys think?
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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cant say im feelin this
Gordon is just a shooter and nothing more, a volume shooter at that. He cant make plays, while monta has steadily been involving people, and he can’t take it to the rack has as effectivley as Monta, that gives you monta a triple threat player, to gordon, a pretty single dimensional guy, who is a scorer, but not much else.
id rather do the said trade for big Z, then waive him trade rumor thats going around. addition by subtraction.,
by ef_werd on Oct 30, 2009 6:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to say, I normally don’t click on trade ideas fanposts, but your use of the word “exploring” intrigued me. Good title.
As for Gordon, I think calling him a volume shooter is a bit misleading. Usually we refer to volume guys as guys that need a lot of shots to score their points – but Gordon is actually an efficient scorer. .572, .558, .573 TS% the last 3 years, well above average. So the greater his shot volume, the better his team will do…
by Missing Barry on Oct 30, 2009 7:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they r more likel to trade Rip Hamilton
They just signed gordon (26 years old) to a 5 year deal. Rip on the otherhand is nearly 32.
There is also the whole stackjack is barely below artest in terms of hate in detroit.
A big Z 4 rip 4 jack might be more possible… because it’d give detroit the cap room to get amare/bosh or someone else… but then what to do w/ monta?
by tafkasam on Oct 30, 2009 7:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
4 Words
Malice at the Palace.
Nothing to see here folks. Move on.
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by Supafishal on Oct 30, 2009 7:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NO NO NO
I would not trade Ellis along with Jackson for Gordon/Prince. Do we really want to be stuck with Gordon’s contract? Imagine Gordon and MAggette on the court at the same time. If we were to trade both those guys I would demand stuckey back but I still probably wouldn’t take it.
by Kid Curry on Oct 30, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What do you guys think?
I think that hypothesizing a trade for a guy who another team has just signed to a reasonably big long term contract to be part of their ‘core’ requires major stretches to take seriously. Detroit ain’t moving him this soon, certainly not to get back a player who once charged into their stands to take on their fans.
by jae on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Curry's uncanny ability to get his teammates open shots
maybe it’s just me, but I want to see a WHOLE lot more than one reg season game of Curry at PG before annointing him … as for the trade, pretty tough to see Jax going back to the Palace as a Piston
by hardcore on Oct 30, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Would love to see this happen but not a chance of it happening...
First off I would love to see Curry and Morrow as our starting back court and to have Gordon as our 6th man(like he did in chicago, and is now doing in detroit) would be lethal. Tayshon gives us a 3/4 who can defend and move the ball better than jackson and can knock down the open 3. This trade would also allow us to shop maggette and b. wright so Azu can play more and when Wright comes back not clog us up at the pf spot. Great idea lilboots too bad it’s 99 percent unlikely to happen.
by pre10d on Oct 30, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what's up with people
and trading Monta…like really its a new season and he’s a future consistent all-star
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by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Oct 30, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We shall see.
After 40 or so games, we’re going to have a great idea which direction the team will take. Hopefully we will be playing well enough for teams to be willing to communicate their interest in some of the players that don’t fit well with the determined core.
by lilboots on Oct 30, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis trades again?
Ellis is fine stop getting all worried about him please. I’m getting tired offa ll this. The guy falls of one moped and suddenly he’s the devil.
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by dubzfan on Oct 30, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not at all.
It basically comes down to this inevitable conversation: Who would you rather have, Ellis or Curry?
I choose Curry. Why? I don’t know who will be the more dynamic scorer when all is said or done, but I will say that Curry is a much better shooter at this point. Forget the preseason percentages.
He is a better point guard than Ellis. I can name only a few who have changed the dynamic of their team on a major scale, being an undersized 2 guard.
He is a better defender than Ellis.
He is smarter than Ellis.
So why can’t we just keep them both??
Because there are other players that fit in better with Curry in a backcourt. I would sacrifice greater talent for more wins and better execution. Curry needs players around him that make shots to gauge his talent to it’s greatest potential. Just as the Suns surrounded Nash with shooters in the Suns’ hey day, and just as Nate the Great announced before the first game of the season, that if the Warriors plan on being a winning team, they need to shoot the ball well.
Eliminating Jackon’s poor decision making, replacing it with a smarter player like Prince who doesn’t ankor the offense, and plays much better defense, would be the first step. Adding a player in Gordon who could use the mobile screens set by our agile bigs to their greatest effectiveness would not only increase our shooting percentage, but would also make Curry a league leader in assists in the near future. We obviously have a great passer on our team. It is so painfully clear and obvious to see that already.
Give him shooters. Give him people who will move without the ball and demand open looks. We have Morrow, give him another. Instead of Ellis running to the perimeter, and standing there calling for the ball near the three point line to create his own shot, stopping the movement of the ball, you now have a pure shooter running to the three point line, catching a pass and going straight up for 3 points, and an assist to the rookie.
Nobody is saying that Ellis won’t get his midrange jumper back. But he doesn’t have it now. In professional sports, you always go with the now.
by lilboots on Oct 30, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair game
I’m all for Prince and losing Jack anyway possible but it’s been two games with Curry so we can’t start saying we have to make a choice between the two. Yes Curry is smarter, a better passer shooter and defender but you don’t find talents like Monta everyday. He can easily be an all star if he got more exposure since he will bee averaging 22+ a game (I think at least). Jameer Nelson made it so why can’t Monta? If I had to make a choice down the road and Monta is getting ROY I would easily say Curry but for now I just want to lose Maggs and Jack. I think of Curry puts on some muscle like how AR did it will work between them. Everyone says he is like Nash but for some reason I see some Baron in him.
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by dubzfan on Oct 30, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DETROIT MANAGEMENT USES THEIR BRAIN
Therefore they would not even entertain this LOL. Nice try though.
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by AR4 on Oct 31, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He gives them a more athletic backcourt paired with the 6-5 Rodney Stuckey.
Then why not try to trade them Curr-bury for Stuckey so WE get the benefit of this great pairing?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya....
Darko Millicic looked fantastic last year in the all-star game. He looked way better than Carmelo and Wade, what a player! I also love that pass first point guard they just acquired. Without him, they wouldn’t be able to get the ball to all their new scorers : / …
On a serious note, I’m only entertaining this because I heard and read something about Mullin having a deal aligned with Detroit before Jackson got his extension that would have sent Prince here for the Stack Jack. If this is not just completely made up, then you’re forced to ask yourself, “What has really changed since then with Stephen, that would make him undesirable in the same deal?” The brawl happened before this, so that is virtually a non issue. He’s played better than he ever has in terms of stats.
Not many people know about Austin Daye, but I think Detroit is extremely high on their rookie and they should be. From what I’ve seen, he’s got loads of talent and potential. More than Prince did at his age, and they are players of a similar build and skill level. This makes it easier to pull the trigger on such a trade, as Jack is a different kind of player altogether and adds a different angle.
I’m not saying that Ellis won’t be an all-star someday, because I think he will. But I do think that Gordon fits in so much better, and will make Curry a more valuable player. Also, I think in the next two years, you will see fans, coaches, players, and talking heads start to say things along the lines of the Warriors being “Curry’s team”. I’m not sure how easily Monta will swallow this pill. I know he says things like, “It’s not all on me” and he brushes off leadership, but this Ellis guy has a lot of pride in his game, as he should.
It is logical to move Monta. Maybe not this season, but sooner than later would be better in my opinion. I would give him 40 games to prove that he’s ready to roll, then try to bring in some equal talent for him.
I think Gordon is an equal talent. At least with a player like Curry giving him the ball he would be. Did anybody watch the Bulls-Celtics series last year? Gordon took over those games. He has that kind of ability and will to shoot you into victories more often than not. He is efficient. He’s not a defensive liability, he’s a very solid 200 and he’s not going to let people put a forearm in his chest and cut by him to the basket. He’s an explosive player that not only fits so much better in a half-court game, but also in the break. He finishes strong and he gets himself to the line.
by lilboots on Oct 31, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On a serious note, I’m only entertaining this because I heard and read something about Mullin having a deal aligned with Detroit before Jackson got his extension that would have sent Prince here for the Stack Jack. If this is not just completely made up, then you’re forced to ask yourself, "What has really changed since then with Stephen, that would make him undesirable in the same deal?" The brawl happened before this, so that is virtually a non issue. He’s played better than he ever has in terms of stats
You answer your own question, but apparently don’t realize it. Detroit was looking to cut contract obligations using reasonable trades (example Billups for Iverson.) Once Jackson got his extension, they would no longer have any reason to be interested. Additionally, they met this goal with the Iverson for Billups trade. As I see it, there is no reason that Detroit would want Jackson now.
by toddaverth on Nov 1, 2009 5:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I see it, there is no reason that Detroit would want Jackson now.
maybe they need some turmoil?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
why dont we just tank.
John Wall and Monta Ellis backcourt anyone?
we might not even need to tank.
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