Recap Game #2: Suns 123 - Warriors 101- The less said the better
by jae on Oct 31, 2009 9:57 AM PDT
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PrintThe Bay Bridge is still closed and that's made it a pain to get to and from work. BART is jammed packed in the commute hours and it just seemed like a good idea to wait a bit longer for the crowds to thin out. But that left me with a dilemma: find a place in SOMA to catch the game, or try to rush back and run the risk of missing the first bit. I chose option number two, and while crowded trains meant I missed the first quarter, I did not have to face the double indignity of a large bar tab -- in the futile attempt to suffocate the horrors of that horrendous performance -- and getting home about 4 hours after I'd originally intended to be home. As such, I didn't find myself properly seated in front of the TV until sometime in the 2nd quarter. This meant that I caught about 4 minutes of an actual competitive basketball game, followed by the interpretive dance routine summarizing the history of futility that has been the Golden State Warriors for most of my conscious lifetime.
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Ugh!
It started reasonably well. The set warmed up just in time to see Azubuike bury a three, then charge up to the other end to catch Amar'e Stoudemire napping and block his shot from behind. Azubuike wins the Warrior Wonder.
Congratulations Kelenna.
After that though, honestly, I'd like to forget this. The block didn't seem to make NBA.com's game recap either and other than that, the highlights were few and far between.
Perhaps the less said out this game, the better.
Observations:
If Monta Ellis ever passed the ball to Stephen Curry, it must have been in the first 16 minutes of the game. After that, there appeared to be three teams on the floor. Two of them were wearing blue jerseys, but playing with each other no more than they were cooperating with the Suns squad.
Monta wants this to be his team. Unfortunately, he seems to believe that this means he has to take every shot in order to score as much as possible. It isn't too late to turn this around, but it's the sort of problem that, if left unchecked, will spell disaster. Did anyone tell him that our quota for tunnel vision shooters ready to go 1 on 5 has already been met? It appears he's fooling some of the people some of the time, as SF Chron writer Rusty Simmons described his performance as "a standout game only from Monta Ellis, who went for 19 points, five rebounds and three assists, and was effective and active on the defensive end." 19 shots to get 19 points coupled with 5 turnovers? It might stand out, but perhaps not in the way that Rusty meant.
Anthony Randolph still has a knack for grabbing rebounds, but he appears no closer to being a SF than he was at the beginning of last year. The discipline and shot selection that seemed to be improving at the end of last season looks like it's still on summer vacation.
The Suns killed us on the boards. The same Suns that were relying on a front line of Stoudemire and Channing Frye, neither of whom should make Phoenix a rebounding power. Of course, much of that has little to do with our rebounding. Much of it is that Phoenix wasn't missing shots. Without misses, it's tough to grab rebounds.
I'd also like to offer an apology:
While I still firmly expect Channing Frye tor return to being a largely useless player who will shoot more often than his skills warrant, last night he was on fire. Did someone show him my posts about him? I'm pretty sure that his performance was meant as a personal affront to me. It is unfortunate that the rest of you had to suffer for this.
It's just one two games, right?
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It's just one two games, right?
Haha, Yeah just buy our boys some stick’em so they can hang on to the ball and they’ll be ok.
Games like this don’t usually mean anything they happen occasionally to everyone but Nellie’s lack of diplomacy and direction makes it more likely this team will suffer them more often than most.
Incredibly we might be witnessing a re-build of the re-build of the re-build? and those are a rare thing to see, so savor the ugliness.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
Your beloved LAKERS got hammered last night
at home. You can’t be too happy even though we lost ugly.
by crab dribble cocktail on Oct 31, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
LAKERS got hammered last night
like I said these games happen to everyone occasionally, doesn’t mean they are never going to ever win another game.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think our problem is simple
Our team is simply playing with no emotion.
The Golden State Warriors are so QUIET out on the court, no confidence, no swagger, no nothing. Sure, we lack size and whatnot, but a little extra confidence and emotion can actually help some of their shots go in.
They just have to keep their head up and play with a “LETS DO THIS F*CKING SH*T! WE’RE NOT GOING TO BE STOPPED!” attitude. We have shooters on this team, and players with freakish athleticism. If something can spark them to step up then they’ll do fine. The We Believe team had success coming from their emotional play and fighting mentality, i’m pretty sure the Warriors of 09-10 can do the same. They have to take in that underdog role to pump them up to prove everyone wrong, instead of the mentality that says, “Well, we suck, and that’s what the other team is expecting. Lets just play and whatever happens, happens”. They have to want to show the world that they are actually a tough team to face, and that they’re not a pushover.
The team just has to play with a ton of emotion and confidence, but at the some time have enough composure and humility to stay in control.
Of course, it’s not going to make up for our lack of rebounding and post game, but if we lose, i’d rather lose while we play our best, than to lose because we had no confidence or emotion. The team is like a bunch of quiet little amateurs out there, even Randolph is playing shy; where the hell is that fire of his?
The whole point of Nellieball is to overwhelm the other team by our explosive scoring, but the team doesn’t have the right mentality to go in attack mode. Hopefully they notice this and step their game up from now on.
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by Precise Films Productions on Oct 31, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Game was horrible
From start to finish, I couldn’t stand it, it was like the bruise that you can’t stop pushing on even though it hurts. Something has to change within these players, I think Jack’s attitude is rubbing off on everyone and the sense of negativity and lack of confidence from our young bucks is unnerving. The veterans like Ellis and Maggette need to start showing humility and allow themselves to be benched when they are not playing good basketball. Maybe their mental image of good basketball is skewed, but either way, they are out there killing the game. I even sensed something extremely wrong with Randolph the past two games, almost as if he has given up and stopped trying as much. Morrow for some reason isn’t getting his shot off, but maybe it has something to do with the hype around the pair. The only young player out there showing that he is out there to play the game and can ignore all the crap that is circling around this team is Curry, and I have a good feeling that will end soon as well.
Good day and happy halloween!
Gonna be a long season...
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by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 31, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
Bright Side
On the bright side, we have upcoming games against the Grizzlies, Clippers, Kings, Timberwolves, Pacers, Knicks and Bucks.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Oct 31, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions
+1
It hurts being a Warrior fan.
I hate my life!
* shakes fist *
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Oct 31, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
hi!
i hate Monta, Jack and Corey all on the floor, and in the third.
I hate that Monta is our PG.
I hate that Nellie is old and doesn’t realize that these are real games, and allowing Monta to “try to play PG” isn’t working out. Even I see that.
I hate that Jack is still Jack. I completely understand that he was "supposedly’ guarding Grant Hill. An All-star, which evidently, and correctly, is what Jack is not.
I hate that Nellie is playing Curry (although he is way better than Monta) and Monta so much. Let CJ and Acie play! Oh, and Moore too!
I hate that Corey is getting MORE shots than AM and Kelenna ,(Who the heck said that Corey was having an off night on Wed? 2 in a roll is totally unacceptable, especially when he’s missing so many shots. but I must credit him for grabbing rebounds in hte first game) although currently Kelenna appears to be the way better player. (oh could it possible be that he is not a good forward? swing man.)
Oh, and I hate that Corey gives up too many points. Hello? 3 point plays? Even Ronny has made some adjustment. Credit Corey for that- he makes Ronny look very very good.
I hate that no one seems to feed AM. I counted two open shots for AM, that blind Monta missed.
I hate that I’m not on the forum when I’m supposed to. Maybe they’ll play better?
Alright, that’s out in the open. LGW…still.
(On a side note, I’ll forgive them if they win 10 games from here on…50 would be nice… Oh, and happy halloween!)
Shells......hates?
I love it! That’s how you know this seasons started off horribly, Shells on the rampage!
by 123707THIZZ on Oct 31, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Shells......hates?
Haha, Welcome to the dark side girl. We knew it was just a matter of time.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I really think we have a chance to go 0-6 there
Not to be over dramatic but there isn’t a single team were a lock to win against, this team has no direction
by 123707THIZZ on Oct 31, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
clippers
might be the only team we could beat. and i don’t know if they have a chance. all those other teams are doing great.
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Oct 31, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the Clippers are better than us.
Eric Gordon will destroy the Dubs himself with a quadruple double.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Oct 31, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Grizzlies
Mark Gasol and Zach Randolph are gonna destroy us.
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by gametime_gsw on Oct 31, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Nellie
I’ve been a Nellie supporter/apologist for a long time, but I think his glitz has worn off. His rotations, the handling of the media, and the reactions he gets from the players is simply inexcusable.
Since it’s only been two games, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt to turn this around to where the team actually looks and plays like a team, where his rotations don’t alienate Randolph, and where he pretends like he’s enjoying his job. I guess wins would help, but wins would only cover up a bunch of glaring problems.
If an ownership/management change is too much to ask, we need a coaching change.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
+1 (except for me being a nellie apologist)
Nellie is a genius right? So why doesn’t he come up with more plays for Morrow? Set screens for this guy and he shoots lights out.
Anthony Morrow is the best shooter in the NBA and he isn’t being utilized to the fullest.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Oct 31, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m just trying to be modest when I say “apologist.” I prefer not to be an apologist for anyone except for my future wife. LOL.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Oct 31, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Morrow's problem is Ellis
Three players are killing the chemistry of this team – Ellis, Randolph, Jackson.
Ellis is keeping Morrow off the court. The need to placate Ellis coupled with the fact that Curry is probably the most complete player on the team (and can’t keep him off the floor), means fewer minutes for Ellis.
Ellis needs to be traded (maybe with Jackson, or EVEN BEFORE Jackson).
Morrow and Curry playing 25 min’s together would have great spacing and Curry would get him the ball – Nellie can run screens – etc.
With Ellis in the mix, he has to be the focus – or else HE’LL start pouting and the HIS trade stock will drop.
Trade Ellis NOW, and the W’s will improve.
BTW – Randolph has reverted back to his ball hog ways of the 1st half of last season. It’s like everytime he touches the ball he has to score. Bigger black hole than even Maggette.
it's odd that you would say to trade monta
well not you exactly, but last season w/o monta, we still lost many many, oh many games.
but, hey it’s only game 2. 80 (right?) more to go…
Monta is the problem....
he’s not a PG, not a leader, and not a team player. not to mention he looks no wiser than he did when he was a rookie. he, jack, and maggette are poisoning this team. get rid of them all.
so true
not a team player. not to mention he looks no wiser than he did when he was a rookie
not a captain material for sure
biggest problem is -you can’t ask your backup center to lead the team
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Oct 31, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
he’s not a PG, not a leader, and not a team player. not to mention he looks no wiser than he did when he was a rookie.
Sports skill has nothing to do with wisdom, some of the best athletes I’ve know were the dumbest. The problem with Montay is they are not building the team around him that can be a winner. Montay recognized it right away where lots on here still don’t so who’s the dumb one? They just have a complete lack of focus, the same dysfunction that broke up the playoff squad is now at work on a new scheme. If they never follow thru with a plan and put in the time and effort to make it work we’ll always be losers, but if we buy the tickets to go see the new messiah they won’t care if they ever get better.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
its monta for the record.
In terms of wisdom, i was refering to his court sense and situation management on the court, not his acutal intelligence. However from what has transpired, what he has said, and his overall body language certainly can lead one to question this guys IQ. Not to mention that the PG position is where it is most important to have an intelligent guy, because of the decision making and emphasis that is placed there.
PG position is where it is most important to have an intelligent guy
I think Hardaway proved that wrong?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
he was an intelligent guy on the court.
just because he’s homophobic doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a moron. Hardaway had a sense of when to distribute and to who. Monta does not have that sense. He looks to score and shoot first and foremost, and then maybe pass to Jack. He completely overlooks Curry because of some weird jealousy thing and obviously have the team’s best interests in mind. Look at the moped situation, he cares about himself and thats about it.
just because he’s homophobic doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a moron
That, my friend, is a very very debatable claim. For now, I’ll leave it at – I respectfully disagree.
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by R Dizzle on Oct 31, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
homophobia vs intelligence
one does not relate to the other. One can be intelligent and be homophobic, just like one can be a complete idiot and homophobic.
it’s an opinion.
thought police would like to claim as fact that homophobia is ignorance – and in some cases that is likely the case. but the connection is not given.
THEREFORE
one can be homophobic AND be a great point guard!
These anti-homophobic people are often rabid bigots toward the religious right, too. But no, THOSE people aren’t ignorant.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
Wow is the hypocrisy of the sanctimonious preaching against homophobia. How about phobias against fat people and mentally ill people. The only reason people stand up for homosexual people and no them, is because it is the “hip” thing to do. We’re still in high school and the Smart and Popular people defend homosexuals. How about the other people that have no real power like gay people do with all their money and lobbying, including unborn babies. I’m just saying, be consistent and quit promoting this superficial laws and regulations for being Smart and Cool.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
be consistent and quit promoting this superficial laws and regulations for being Smart and Cool.
in other words be dumb and uncool?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
How about not being hypocritical. That’s all I’m asking. Either defend everyone that needs defending (and gay people really need a lot less defending than the mentally ill. You all know that) or defend none of them. And stop being so sanctimonious and preachy. It’s like a new far left Puritanism, where you punish people with ridicule and ostracism to FORCE them to be more “righteous.”
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
Dude, you said "Anti-homophobic people"
So that would make you Pro-homophobic? and using your logic, you’d then be against obese and mentally handicapped people?
This doesn’t follow. Just shows how those who aren’t homophobic aren’t necessarily smart.
Personally, I am pro-understanding and pro-communication. That settles any problems of hate, really. I am against being superficial, too.
This anti-homophobia movement is tiresome. Making rules and ostracizing people who don’t follow your rules doesn’t make for a good society. It makes for a society of people filled with fear of being ostracized.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
Lets drop it, I dont want either of us getting in trouble so...
dang those Laker fans are annoying huh
Yup. Lakers fans = poop.
Lakerphopia? those fans need tolerance too.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
one can be homophobic AND be a great point guard!
as Timmah!! proved , so it’s likely that one could be short on “book learnin” and be a good point too. When you get to know great athletes it seems they often play better than they think, sorta like sports instinct or something. If Mike Tyson can be champ then Montay can be an allstar. If he doesn’t get any love here he’ll do it somewhere else.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you be racist and intelligent too?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Can you be racist and intelligent too?
Not in the USA
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 2, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody's universally intelligent
You can be good at math, but suck at using language properly. I don’t see why you can’t be stupidly racist but smart about other things. Hitler couldn’t have been so successful without being intelligent. It’s the intelligent racists that are really dangerous.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 3, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I agree to a point. Monta is still at least serviceable as an off-guard. We do not need to get rid of him ASAP like we do Jax.
by Badly Browned on Oct 31, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
But Monta is undersized
Curry is a normal PG (size wise). Monta has the body of a PG and the skills of a SG. Which makes him an odd fit.
About the only PG in the league that would complement him is Jason Kidd. Baron’s too fragile nowadays to guard 2’s.
So, Monta is a BAD piece to build around at this point.
The W’s are better off building around Curry at the 1 and Randolph at the 4. Morrow and Buike (even Jack), would then be a great fit at the 2.
Ellis needs to have about 5 games in a row over 20ppg and he becomes a great trade chit.
Not saying we should build around Monta, but trading him shouldn’t be a priority like a Jackson trade is.
by Badly Browned on Oct 31, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Nelson looks very positive and energized
in the video clips of the practices. If his kritiks think Smart would improve things, they should consider who has been mostly in charge of improving team defense, with a focus on transition d. Three of the obstacles to the team playing like a team are (not coincidentally) three of the four highest players, all with long term deals stretching beyond Nelson’s coaching future.
In Nelson’s initial season of his present tenure he first tried working with the established vets and they were headed to another 35 win season until two of them plus Diogu were shipped. The fate of the team is more in the hands of the trade gods, than it is in Nelson’s—“a better/younger coach” would first want to work for Cohan, but someone like Smart or A.Johnson is hardly any assurance for marked improvement with this roster.
He is energized!
He’s hoping he gets fired this season and then he can sit back and collect that guarenteed year he is owed by the Warriors. Plus I don’t think he’ll have to fight Cohan for that money like he did Cuban when he was with Dallas.
AR
I’m very dissapointed in his play and as of now he doesn’t appear that he’ll have a break out season. You might say that he doesn’t get enough playing time, but when he is in there he can’t shoot from the perimeter and his only move to the hoop is where he runs and crashes into defenders in front of him.
I though he had game??
Yeah, Randolph hasn’t shown any semblance of control. It’s all very discouraging right now. We need some sort of glimmer of hope and we’re not getting it.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Oct 31, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I though he had game??
He will have game. He’s still just a youngster. He just needs to learn some control skills instead of playing only with energy.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
nelson
Maybe he wouldn’t come out feeling he has to do something unbelievable if he wasn’t pulled for asinine game expectations that nelson only seems to have for him. Why isn’t Maggette getting pulled when he puts the blinders on and offensively and defensively gets us killed?
Being jerked around constantly is NOT good for a young player not matter what the Nellie people say
From Marcus Thompson
Didn’t get a chance to talk to Randolph after the game. He dipped out before I ask him how he feels about being jerked around in the rotation.
Friday, he played the first 7 minutes, then sat the rest of the half. He started the third quarter, played the first 5:29 and didn’t return until the start of the fourth, when the Warriors were down 19 and Nellie resigned to defeat.
He finished with 12 points on 2-for-9 shooting with 7 rebounds, a block, an assist and a turnover in 25 minutes.
Nelson said after the game he didn’t think Randolph was getting it done.
He was certainly helter skelter. He doesn’t appear to have the confidence he once seemed to have gained. He is steady looking at the bench, and he’s got that look on his face, the one from last year. Not the fired up and hungry look. That worried and frustrated look.
by 123707THIZZ on Oct 31, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the game I want playing on the tv at my funeral
So people will sincerely be able to say “he’s happier now”. Easily one of the worst I’ve ever seen.
by 123707THIZZ on Oct 31, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
you sure
you want to show what made you die?!
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Oct 31, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
john wall
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
john wall
so we can play 6 point guards at once?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
So we can trade ellis
and play 2 real PG’s at once.
Curry
Wall
Buki/Morrow/(trade for a 3)
AR
Andris
OR by that time
Curry
Wall
AR
Wright
Andris
sounds like a good lineup to me
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
i would trade ellis, jack and maggs ASAP.
….i can certainly live with the lineup u present there.
Will Nellie Get The Record??
It would be awesome if the Warriors don’t get the 24 victories Nelly needs..All you season ticket holders are getting exactly what you deserve from this product..Enjoy the $20 parking, the $12 beers, the $8 hotdogs, and the terrible basketball, a great time out…
LOL
whos better?
The Cav’s also started 0-2 this season – LoL – whata disaster!!
and almost beat the Cavs last year
if it were not for a LeBron buzzer beater. How far have we fallen? Deep down into the abyss I’d say.
I don't want to beat a dead horse but...
We never should have traded Marco Belinelli. We’re going to get as much production out of George now that he’s hurt as when he’s healthy which is nothing.
This was ugly....
…Being one of the probably 7 Warrior fans at the game last night in Phoenix was brutal. Not only did the team get murdered, they were barely there. There is little to no chemistry among these players, Jack/Ellis refuse to pass the ball especially to Curry, our defense is appalling, and Buike/Morrow/Randolph continue to get hosed in terms of minutes. It was a disgusting lack of effort and one of the worst games i have ever been to…I’m going to say this now, this is the WORST that this team has been since the Cowens/Winters year. It was embarrassing and our team STINKS.
I’m stoked!!! We will have a great shot at John Wall. How about a Wall/Curry backcourt. Time to celebrate!
by crab dribble cocktail on Oct 31, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions
Monta will be mopping and whining elsewhere.
by crab dribble cocktail on Oct 31, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Guys - I hate to say it
I was there last night and while I didn’t go in the locker room post game, my man Bret from AOL did and it doesn’t look good.
The Warriors didn’t just get beat last night b/c the Suns shot 55% from 3. That team was a hideous affront to the sport of basketball.
All that talent and already the chemistry sucks and the players are just looking to put up their own numbers. I don’t mean to be cruel but that is a seriously messed up team and I feel bad for you guys.
A traveling beat writer told me just his week that the Warriors have the best fans in the NBA and he’s seen them all many times. You all deserve much better.
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go ahead and say it, you're singing to the choir
There is no chemistry between the players – NONE. And some major things are going to need to happen before this current Warriors team comes remotely close to being able to gel the way they did in the We Believe era.
After Baron got away, I knew it was only a matter of time before Jack’s downward spiral would begin. Jack is not a leader, nor will he ever be – he needs a Baron-type on the team to keep him on the right track. Now he doesn’t want to be there, the other players know he doesn’t want to be there, and anyone that knows anything about hoops knows it takes five guys to win a game. That’s why it’s called a “team”.
Monta had so much promise but after Mopedgate, there was never any going back. That black cloud will always be hanging above his head and his motivation is always going to be more about playing to redeem himself instead of playing to have his team win as long as he’s a Warrior. Both Jack and Monta need to go, now, and if they have to give them away, fine. The Warriors stand more of a chance without them than with them.
Even more important than those two, Nellie has got to go. Unfortunately, he will be harder to be rid of than Monta and Jax because 1) he’s got his big fat contract, and 2) his head is so far up Cohan’s ass, it would take Cohan selling the team before Nellie loses his strangle-hold on the Warriors. Even with Jack and Monta gone, the way Nellie continues to screw around with the starting lineup and everyone’s playing time, the opportunity to form a chemistry and gel as a team won’t be there. Nellie’s history of drama and bad blood with players is always going to be there. We’re stuck with him at least until he gets to pass Wilken’s record as “winningest coach” because he knows it’s his only hope of getting into the Hall of Fame because he sure as hell isn’t going to make it from his championships won. And seriously, what’s the big deal about being the winningest coach? Does it equate to “greatness”. When you think of great coaches, does Lenny Wilkens’ name pop up first in your head? All it means is you’ve been around long enough that the law of averages has finally caught up with the number of wins in your win column.
Be grateful you’re in Phoenix and have a team and a coach that you can at least feel good about. You’re right, the Warriors’ fans deserve way better — and have for a long time. Sadly, I think that point is years away.
dude are you giving a hug to the
Clips 0-3, Sacto and all the other winless teams. I watched the Lakers last night and frankly they looked out fo sorts, got blown out at home and I’m sure that was a funky locker room after the game also. We lost a freakin road game not the 1st time and not the last. I guess I’ll come give you a hug when you guys venture on a road game and get your butts handed to you. 2 games in and we have the peanut gallery giving us group hugs. I’ll be seeing you on your board really soon!
by crab dribble cocktail on Oct 31, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Not much to disagree with there. We looked like the local guys at the Y last night
by Badly Browned on Oct 31, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
great read
Nellie is the master of killing any future or chemistry we have as a team.
I’d rather see Randolph playin all game poorly than Maggs playing at all amazingly.
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nice post
I like your style, and very well observed. Despite his stats, it is Monta more than anyone who is dragging this team down, honorable mention of course to CM.
But CM is simply suffering from a few bad games. Monta is completely on the wrong course. He needs to do a much better job looking for his teammates. And while he’s at it, he needs to improve his demeanor. He’s acting like a little brat.
Jack + maggs + Ellis for t-mac + ariza!
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get it done.
W’s need these clowns off the team…
Honestly
If this trade happened, we could be a very good team
With the T-Mac expiring contract + Law/Claxton/George,
we would have the cap space to go for a big man like Bosh and run
Curry/JohnWall
Ariza/Morrow
AR/Buki
Bosh/Wright
Andris/Tuiaf
Wow. I wish I could make my dreams come true :(.
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Oh and
have Ellison but the warriors and replace Rowell….and replace Nellie with Avery Johnson.
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Oh and
trade the A’s for the NewYork Yankees?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait a Minute.....
Your forgetting that since Lebron seems to be unable to aquire Stephen Jackson to the Cavs, he will opt to sign a deal for the veterans minimum to play with him next season as a Warrior! As reported by ESPN Utiopia
there's always one in every post
i see that not much has changed since the last time i visited this site. insightful and clever analysis by jae and others followed up with 90% nonsense.
i’m not questioning the passions of the fans here, but i am questioning if you live in a place called reality.
we saw a team minus monta last year, it wasn’t fun, it wasn’t pretty. why folks are so interested perusing wet trade dream scenarios involving him is beyond me. there is no star player who would want to come here. rewind in your mind the last two offseasons where the geniuses in the FO threw money at agent 0, brand, threw young talent at phx among others, yet what was the overwhelming reaction by the star players who were to come here? GSW? LOL. consider also, the FO, do you honestly think they have the brains, skill and negotiating strategy to haul in a big name player? really?
monta is not the problem here, although the rubes in the FO are very happy to have you villainize him. takes the heat off riley and rowell. cause it’s not like the W’s are their mess or anything.
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Oct 31, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Did i say this was realistic?
I specifically said
I wish I could make my dreams come true :(.
Ellis will never be a great piece for a championship team. He does not have the size to be a great 2 guard, and he lacks the IQ to be a great PG.
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The season just got longer
Any hope of a mediocre season was completely dashed by this game. The inexperienced Warriors got picked apart by the veteran Suns team until we became so befuddled, we were putty in their hands. There were so many things to forget about this game, but here are a few parts that I can still remember the day after.
Randolph – Last night’s game confirmed a hunch I had about Randolph, that right now he’s “brawn with no brain”, athleticism with no control, intent, or purpose. Yes, he will hustle, block, rebound, etc., which is good. But when he needs to make an offensive decision, it seems his thinking becomes “basket or basket or basket”. There were two incidents that I saw this. The first was when he got a rebound or loose ball, then charged right into a statue standing Amare. The second was on some sort of a failed fast break or something which left Randolph deep under the basket with I think 2 Suns defenders around him. Instead of trying to kick it out, he stubbornly tried to force his way through the defenders for a lay in, which of course didn’t come close.
So I’m not confident in Randolph’s decision making right now. I know he’s only 20, but he needs to develop awareness of his surroundings and self control so he can think and make a smarter move.
Morrow – There was a quote from Monta the day before that Morrow needed to move and get open. And I think he has a point. A couple of times, I noticed Morrow standing around on a play, not trying to move away from his defender. On one play that I remember, I think it was Maggette with the ball in the paint making some moves or fakes, and I glanced at Morrow, and he was standing there watching with his defender right in front of him. I made note of this in the open thread.
I think the word is out now to keep a player glued to Morrow. Combine that with the fact that we don’t have a player playing well enough to really vacuum in Morrow’s defender away from Morrow, and Morrow is left out on an island. Morrow will have to learn how to lose his defender, maybe run around a screen, then be available for a catch and shoot.
There was one drop of positivity early in the game during the 1st qtr. There was definitely effort in moving the ball and making the pass. It was ugly at times, but the attempt was there. That was about the only good thing worth mentioning.
One last item to watch for: Turiaf’s knee after he strained it in the 4th qtr.
AR wasn't playing like that in the Summer or in the pre season
He was having consistant minutes and not being toyed around with. It seemed like he had completely regressed into the kid scared he was going to get benched for any mistake and constantly looking over to the bench everytime he touched the ball. His demeanor was completely different
Hmmm, good point.
You got me putting on my thinking cap for this one. I think my answer will fill up a fanpost for this.
by IQofaWarrior on Oct 31, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
In Summer League he was option #1
With Monta and Jack on the floor, it’s obvious he thinks that any time he touches the ball he better shoot, because Monta and Jack aren’t going to give it up.
Honestly, what this team misses most is Baron Davis’s floor leadership. The best players on the team are the ball hogs (Jack, Maggs, Monta) that previously would have looked up to Baron as THEIR leader.
if Curry can score 18 and dish 8, then he can start calling some the shots
I got tired of composing the fanpost, so here's the short version
I think Randolph is regressing right now because he’s not yet capable of reacting under pressure. When you have to react under pressure and you’re not used to it, you end up reacting based on your instinct and what you’re used to. That would explain why Randolph made those dumb offensive mistakes I saw.
It’s like learning to drive in the UK. In the UK, traffic flows on the left side, not the right. Left turns are easy, but right turns require you to yield to oncoming traffic. It takes a while to adjust to everything being opposite. You might end up doing OK in country roads or residential streets. But as soon as you’re in the city streets in rush hour trying to make a right turn, and the light turns red, snd everyone’s honking at you to get out of the intersection, the pressure kicks in for you to complete the turn. And if you can’t handle it, you might make the turn and drive onto the right side of the road, which is your natural instinct. Unfortunately, that’s straight into oncoming traffic in the UK!
So I think Randolph isn’t reacting to pressure very well right now, causing him to regress to his out of control style of play. I don’t know where the pressure is coming from, and only he will know. The pressure might be from the intensity of this being a real game, that we’re trying to win, as opposed to late last season when the season was already lost, or summer league and preseason which don’t count. It could be from higher expectations from us, fans, coaches, media, etc. It could be self inflicted pressure because he’s now a starter, and he really wants to do well, but he ends up pushing too hard.
So anyway, after thinking about it, my conclusion is that Randolph is getting inconsistent minutes BECAUSE he cannot handle himself out there. Conversely, Curry has played pretty in control so far. Even though he’s made mistakes with bad passes and stuff, Nellie hasn’t yanked Curry out yet becaue Curry is handling himself out there. I think Nellie WANTS to put Randolph out there, since Randolph’s the only power forward we got right now. But if Randolph cannot control himself, he is hurting more than he his helping.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 1, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When you have to react under pressure and you’re not used to it, you end up reacting based on your instinct and what you’re used to. That would explain why Randolph made those dumb offensive mistakes I saw.
Maybe we need to simplify the offense and design some plays to use Rudolf’s natural athleticism? Sometimes we play too much cutsey and not enough basics.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 2, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
It also doesn't help that Randolph's back is still probably an area of concern...
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 2, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
As far as Morrow...
I did like, that on one possesion where he was able to fake a shot from behind the arc, get his man up in the air, and then move up to hit the jumper inside the arc. He is going to have to do more of that because he will find few open shots behind the arc.
Oh well, only two games..
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more like 0-82
John Wall!
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we'd end up getting the #4th/5th pick knowing our luck and not get john wall lol.
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Yeah man. I might have to go buy a Ginobili Jersey for that one.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 1, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyone just watch Ginobli punch that bat?
haha, those things carry rabies. Hope he don’t bite our warriors when we play them.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
People need to settle down a little. It was a bad loss, but we’re going to have those on the road sometimes, particularly against decent teams. Randolph’s playing foolishly again, but his minutes will get cut as a result… he’ll get back on track.
I’m as sick of Jack as the next guy, and I’m not a big fan of how Monta has approached these first couple games, but it’s reeeeaaaal early yet. Let’s at least wait till the season is a week old to bust out the John Wall references.
My problem is this:
When AR plays poorly, he gets pulled.
When Maggette plays poorly, he stays in all game.
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exactly
Not to mention, I’d like to give him room to grow.
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I agree. However, let’s remember, Corey Maggette doesn’t always play poorly. He’s actually one of the more consistent players in the league; it’s possible that his two crappy games are indicative of his getting worse as he ages, but more likely it was just two crappy games. What he does is usually fairly effective, and it’s not like he’s going to learn new tricks if Nellie benches him.
Sigh
The first voice of reason I’ve seen. It’s two games, people, sheesh.
Though, you’d probably get more traction if you didn’t address the Maggette subject in tandem with the “OMG WTF WE’RE LOSING TO GOOD TEAMS!!!”
The vast majority over here (not you or I) is convinced that Corey is the devil. Trying to convince them that he is not ON TOP of trying to convince them that games like this happen and that we’re only 0-2 against two probable playoff teams when we’re not really playoff material, is making an already steep uphill battle even steeper.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Ellis resents Curry
He went out of his way to avoid passing to Curry. That can’t stand.
Ellis would rather give the ball to Stephen Jackson, who likes to hold onto the ball until inspiration strikes. Sometimes he does something inspires, but too often I wish he would have just kept the ball moving, drove, or shot MUCH sooner.
Randolph is still raw, but he’s better than Maggette at PF. We have to just watch him develop. He’ll be good once he hits his stride.
I realize Morrow is primarily a pass and shoot guy, but he’s got to be more active. He just disappeared.
Curry said the team kept looking to the sideline to see what to do. I think he may have been referring to himself, but he didn’t seem to the problem really.
I think every team we play is going to go heavily at Ellis with their larger 2. Ellis knows it and he’s frustrated.
Ellis is like a little kid jealous of the attention his new baby brother is getting.
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by cybermaldonado on Oct 31, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting that vibe......
Ellis sometimes seems to go out of his way to avoid Curry. At one point, he subbed in for the rookie and didn’t even extend his hand towards Curry let alone glance at him. I may be reading more into it than is there, but I have seen little any actions on the court to make me read the situation between them any other way.
Rotowire ripped Mags:
Spin: It is mind-boggling why Don Nelson continues to play Corey Maggette when it is obvious that Maggette is running the team straight into the ground with his poor shot selection and trigger-happy ways.
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The difference I saw was the coaching. Every time Nash got the ball they ran screens. Poor Curry was getting crushed trying to go through 2,3,4, screens every defensive play. When the Warriors had the ball everyone just stood around for the most part. Also, I was very disturbed that Nellie chose not to coach the last 5 minutes of the game. He had all the young players in there and just let them run wild. It’s like Nellie’s small ball is degenerating into street ball. Randolf and co are really being poorly served by not being taught how to be effective NBA players.
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w. younger players, hard to gauge the coaching by the games
To get a fairer idea about the teaching, you’d need reports from the practices. Curry’s post-game comments (M.Thompson II’s blog has a fair bit of them after the Phx game) would indicate that he is both getting instruction and learning through the games. His understanding of the game is strong enough to withstand the poor examples provided by his teammates, but the same isn’t true of Morrow or Randolph. In contrast to the practices, once it’s game time the action gets dictated by Ellis, Jackson, M’gette, and the opponents. The team is quite weak at both forward spots, and there’s never been a semi-accomplished vet at his position on the team to help initiate Randolph—finding someone similar to Cheaney for the coaching staff, but who played at the 4/5 would help too, obviously.
If the living room coaches had their way and the the minutes of Jackson and M’gette were seriously reduced, that lack of forwards would leave the summer league team plus Ellis, Azubuike and Biedrins, [Turiaf seems impaired by a knee worn down from his summer schedule] which isn’t exactly a sure recipe for improvement. The roster could use a shake down and re-boot, but if the wrong players come in return (like Crawfor- and M’gette last season) the downward spiral will just continue. Curry is not at the Zeke Thomas or Johnson level of rookie point guard, so he can’t yet be made the foundation of the re-boot, and until he is, purgatory is the best to hope for.
His understanding of the game is strong enough to withstand the poor examples provided by his teammates, but the same isn’t true of Morrow or Randolph
It’s not that they don’t understand the task , it’s that the big men on the other teams are not gonna just roll over for them. All Curr-bury has to do is dribble around and look for someone to pass too, he don’t have to overpower anyone like Rudolf does or try to get free of a magnet and make an instant shot like More-O does. If it was just a matter of understanding they would all score at will. You put Curr-bury inside and he’s not gonna look so smart either as he gets swatted down.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2009 11:13 PM PDT reply actions
We are in trouble............
Unless Jackson, Ellis and Maggette start contributing. At least in Maggs case, he is making an effort, it just hasn’t been there for him.
Jackson is doing the bare minimum on the floor. Zero rebounds last night and all he seems to be doing is screaming for the ball so he can hoist up a shot.
Ellis just seems content on getting his numbers, usually at the expense of involving his teammates in the offense. The only time he seems motivated is when Curry is off the floor and he is running the point and his minutes at the point only show that he doesn’t belong there.
Ellis and Jackson just need to man up and be professionals. The team would greatly benefit by them giving their best out on the floor.
By the Way, One Positive....
Buike is looking pretty good so far! As long as he isn’t playing the four in Nelson’s ultimate small ball lineups, he brings a lot of energy, is shooting well and helps on the glass.
I like Buike at the four more than Maggette, but that really isn’t saying much.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 1, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel sorry for Curry and Azubuike
Both Buike and Maggette are 3’s. Randolph would be a 4 if he bulked up. Turiaf is more of a PF/C combo than anything else.
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
Same as last year with losses - close, lopsided, close, lopsided, close, lopsided, etc....
Against Phoenix, this is why the warriors lost***********
1st Half :
Monta – Poor opening game shot, poor passes, poor drives(blocked shots), no free throws until 8:08 in the 2nd period, a telegraphed charge, …
Jackson – Poor defense, bad shots (selfish play)
Maggette – Poor offensive drives to basket, poor shots(too many misses), poor passes(one almost stolen), loses ball on a double team he should have seen coming, etc…
Curry – 2 carries of the ball
Azabuike – 4 fouls, airball
Overall team efforts – 23-6 deficit in free throws, 3 point FG %, 15-7 run at end of half by Suns
Suns – Amendson kept GSW in the game with his so-so play in 1st half
2nd Half :
Monta – 1st shot of second half was a missed lay-up, poor shots (6-17 @ 7:00 3rd period), turnover on a break, short jump shots, selfish play
Jackson – Foul and continuation given up to Barbosa due to poor defense, traveling 3 minutes into 3rd period, poor shooting(5-12 @ 1:09 of 3rd), etc…
Randolph – missed lay-up on 3-2 break, forced and missed a 5 ft. shot(led to 3 pts. the other team), missed lay-up @ 1:40 4th period
Morrow – missed shots, traveling
Maggette – missed shots, 3 second violation
Overal GSW – Ticky Tack fouls, not controlling game, too many missed shots, Monta hogging and not sharing, unforced turn-overs yielding points(3 pointers), NASH AND MORE NASH!
you know how engaged Jackson is?
0 rebounds. It’s amazing that Nelson keeps starting him when it’s obvious he is running at half speed and not really trying.
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