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Q&A: Tim Kawakami (Mercury News) :: 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Preseason (Part 1 of 4)

When it comes to the Warriors GSoM friend Tim Kawakami doesn't have a problem telling it how he sees it. That's exactly why it's always fun for us to mic him up.

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Jump for Tim's thoughts on whether Don Nelson, Monta Ellis, and Stephen Jackson will last the entire season with the Warriors as well as the Nellie-Monta-Stephen Curry love triangle.

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Golden State of Mind: Which if any of the Warriors recent big headline grabbers (Don Nelson, Monta Ellis, and Stephen Jackson) will last the entire season with the Golden State Warriors?

Tim Kawakami: I think two of the three are likely to be here for the entire season--Warriors management is afraid of what would happen in the fan base if it ever traded Monta Ellis (and remember fear is the Rowell Regime's top-driving emotion) and I don't think Don Nelson will quite quit on this team with $6M left to be paid next season. Plus Rowell also would be too afraid to fire Nelson, again, with the Fear Thing paramount.

Rowell might try to push Nelson aside--as I believe Nelson is already trying to do with Rowell--but those two might be Senseless But Equal in the mind of Chris Cohan. He's probably stuck with both of them and they're stuck with each other.

Stephen Jackson is the one who might have to go. Again, the fear thing: Rowell will appropriately fear what Jackson could do to that locker room atmosphere and less-than-appropriately fear what Jackson could do to Rowell's reputation and credibility.

In fact, it would not shock me at all if Rowell already is telling people that he really didn't want to extend Jackson's contract--that it was some other mysterious entity who did it, over Rowell's misgivings.

So I think Rowell will sign off on taking back some bad money by Jan or Feb if it means he can rid himself of the Jackson problem and Jackson is very good about making himself a problem. I think Jackson very much wants to end up in Cleveland, and the Cavs do have some bad contracts to toss around.

 

Golden State of Mind: How would you interpret Nelson's response to Monta's "can't rant" to the media?  Getting his "star" player's back?  Or is it so transparent that we can assume it's a cover up for another of Monta's bad preseason PR-moves?

Tim Kawakami: Cover up a controversy? The Warriors? Really? Actually, I think that Nelson is handling this relatively correctly--Monta was so blunt (and mostly correct) about not believing he could play in a backcourt with Curry, all Nelson can do is smile and say, hey, if that's what Monta feels... and still work them in together when the match-ups allow it.

I do not think Monta and Nelson are getting along, however. I think Nelson is in love with Curry as his future point guard and doesn't see Monta ever being his kind of point guard, or player, or anything. Warriors management, however, needs Monta to sell tickets, so there's another stand-off: Nelson might put Ellis in position to screw up just enough so Nelson can sell management that Curry is the real long-term answer and Ellis should be moved.

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What if we moved Ellis + the contracts for another big name? Wouldn’t that still sell tickets? If only we could somehow use Ellis to get a big named big man like Bosh, too bad we can’t though.

I still love Ellis as a player, but Curry is looking good (I trust Nelsons judgment when it comes to rookies and their potential (I am one of the people who see’s his keeping Randolph out the first half of the season as the right thing last season) and we are very guard heavy.

Also, about Jackson, wouldn’t Jackson to Mav’s make sense? The Mavs want to be good now (seems to me) and Jackson could be an upgrade for them over Howard. It would be a relatively win-win situation, we’d probably have to toss in a first rounder, it would give us an expiring and them a veteran defender and scorer in a system where he would be a 3rd/4th/5th option on the offensive end.

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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 5, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Winning will sell tickets. Losing, with or without Monta, will not. I still find it fascinating that people in charge of multi-million dollar companies still seem to resort largely to guesswork, “convential wisdom” or “common knowledge” to make business decisions, when real data are available and often contradict their guesswork.


Jackson could be an upgrade for them over Howard.

Could be, but isn’t, and the Mavs who actually employ people to investigate this sort of thing are probably aware of this. Unless Howard has really made himself an enemy in Mark Cuban, they aren’t going to take our problem off our hands for a better player with a shorter contract.

by jae on Oct 5, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

when real data are available and often contradict their guesswork.

 Real data is a work in progress, it looks a lot clearer in the rear view mirror than thru the windshield. How you gonna use real data to decide who to move and for whom( or wtf the correct grammar would be)? It can easily tell us where we should have gone but not so easily how to get there now?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 5, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Winning will sell tickets. Losing, with or without Monta, will not. I still find it fascinating that people in charge of multi-million dollar companies still seem to resort largely to guesswork, "convential wisdom" or "common knowledge" to make business decisions, when real data are available and often contradict their guesswork.

I agree that winning will sell tickets and that a “star” player doesn’t do as much for the bottom line as “common sense” might dictate. Part of that is “star” is thrown around too loosely. Is Monta Ellis really a star? He hasn’t even made an All-Star team yet and never led a team to the playoffs.

But there are some examples. If I remember just recently when the Nuggets traded for Allen Iverson they saw a HUGE uptake in season ticket sales. I imagine as soon as the Boston Three Party were assembled even before they won a single game they saw a “hockey stick” surge in ticket sales. Similarly if the Warriors traded for Amare Stoudemire tomorrow they’d sure sell a lot more tickets, jerseys, etc.

If the Warriors continued to suck I bet that surge in sales wouldn’t last at all, but from a business standpoint it’s a reasonable “quick fix”.

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by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 5, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TBH I feel like Monta lost alot of his "star appeal" last season

Everyone in the Bay Area was cogniscent of how talented monta is. And when Baron left, there was excitement to see what Monta could do. Then the moped happened, and when he came back he was pretty mediocre (for a variety of obvious reasons). Eitherway because of it, he did kind of lose his title as the bay area’s favorite. Its prety obvious that now belongs to Anthony Randolph.

by tafkasam on Oct 5, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I imagine if Amar’e didn’t play with any heart, and we weren’t winning much, it would be a huge let down, too.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 5, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but what is more likely to happen if Amar’e joined, statistically.

We are more likely to win MORE games than we will without him.

He would more than likely play with a lot of heart, like he has done his whole career.

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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 6, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BUT is it worth trading biedrins for a 27 year old with major injury history and an expiring contract?

If he signed an extension I’d say yes. Otherwise i’ll take the latvian as we have a young competant center for 5 more years on an affordable contract.

by tafkasam on Oct 6, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trading for him is implying there will be an extension signed. I think everyone has made that clear since the trade was even speculated.

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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 6, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Atma Bro, among others, has said he’d do the deal without an extension.

I’m wondering where Brandan Wright fits in this fantasy Amare deal these days. Is Phoenix now meant to make the trade without Curry or Wright?

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 6, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the stat extractor/distiller for Dal

is none other than the Indiana U professor W.Winston, who derives very specific projections for line up combinations.

For slightly different reasons, the peak value relative to cost for both Ellis and Jackson was just before they signed their most recent contracts, and I suspect only a team willing to make a risky move with the hope of boosting their playoff advancement (Dal trading for Kidd an example) would take serious interest in them.

by the.monk on Oct 6, 2009 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Psycho-Babble with TK

What I hate about this is that it treats TK like he has genuine psychological insight into the players in this drama. Maybe you should interview Mike Fisher at Dallasbasketball.com. He’s much better on Nellie. There’s absolutely no evidence that is the case. Also, most series lead with some good stuff. This is it? You achilles heal Atma Brother One.

by Marques8 on Oct 5, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It’s probably misleading since I posted this part of the Q&A, but neither of these 2 questions were mine, so I can’t take the credit.

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by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 5, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TK is a message board troll with a newspaper column

He loves saying “provocative” things, but honesty isn’t exactly his thing.

Last year he said Nellie was tanking so he could get fired and collect his $$, and Monta would force a trade before coming back from his ankle injury.

Now both are entrenched, according to TK. Make things up as you go along much, Tim?

by Swopa on Oct 5, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you do realize you just ignored all the things Tim was right about (like Harrington, Crawford, Monta not being happy with the Curry pick, Nellie’s talk with Jackson about not playing well, etc) while pointing out things that he was wrong about.

by homer simpson on Oct 5, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Somehow, I think TK is beyond any shame. You can’t embarrass a guy who makes $$$$ to lie.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 5, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the fellas passing for reporters like Kawakami

are probably a big reason for Nelson becoming adept at misdirection and ‘maybe serious’ opinion rants when he speaks with the media folk. Kawakami tries to exploit this by passing himself off as Nelson mind reader/sooth sayer—here he guesses that the coach would like to exclude Ellis from his plans for the team.

by the.monk on Oct 6, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a journalist, if he gets 5/8 things right, that’s pretty sad. He obviously has inside information, but if you pay attention, it’s obvious he’s often blowing smoke.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 5, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He obviously has inside information, but if you pay attention, it’s obvious he’s often blowing smoke.

  That makes no sense. His inside information would be the one blowing smoke wouldn’t it?

Standing on the moon
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Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 6, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

The answer is, he's uncritically passing along smoke being blown by his sources

I mention it up above, and so does feltbot on his blog. Monta’s agent (or other “sources close to Ellis”) are repeatedly able to get TK to print whatever spin they want to see in print, without any fact-checking or scrutiny. Even though they flat-out raped him on the story of Monta supposedly demanding a trade last year.

TK can’t afford to stand up to them. He needs the gossip too badly.

by Swopa on Oct 6, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TK can’t afford to stand up to them. He needs the gossip too badly.

  If that’s what the source tell him then that’s what he should report. He can’t change it around just cause you don’t like what they say. A reporter reports, they are not the story. As long as he prints what the sources tell him then he’s doing his job. I never read his stuff so I’m assuming he’s saying it is from sources and not from the principals or not from his imagination?

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 6, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tim Kawakami censorship

Tim Kawakami has BANNED me from his blog! I am no longer able to post my thoughts there. Presumably because of the piece I wrote about him on my blog.

Isn’t it fascinating that a journalist who earns his living by reporting and fomenting ill-will and misery could have such a thin skin himself? Isn’t there a delicious irony in the fact that TK is censoring the voices of his readers?

This is what I attempted to post on his blog:

"Another typical TK cup of venom. Who brewed it up for him? Who are his unnamed sources? It should be obvious by now. If it’s not, I can clear it up for you on my blog."

This has nothing to do with a spam filter. I tried posting another tid-bit: “It may have come as a surprise to TK’s sources that KA got the start in the backcourt over Morrow and Curry, but not to me. I predicted it.” I was not allowed to post this either.

Censored by a journalist who holds himself out as a truth-teller, and enemy of censorship. Amazing.

by feltb0t on Oct 6, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There is a difference between censorship and not providing you with a vehicle to criticize him. Censorship is trying to restrict you from getting your views out. Saying that you cannot participate in his blog, when you clearly have other places to post your views, is not censorship.

by jae on Oct 6, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I beg to differ. What would you call filtering his comments section based on the poster’s viewpoint?

by feltb0t on Oct 6, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would you call filtering his comments section based on the poster’s viewpoint?

Filtering.

You have not special right to participate on his board.

by jae on Oct 6, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is being censored from that median. Much like HBO does not censor curse words but the words are censored on public TV channels.

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawkGSW on Oct 6, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tried posting another tid-bit: "It may have come as a surprise to TK’s sources that KA got the start in the backcourt over Morrow and Curry, but not to me. I predicted it." I was not allowed to post this either.

 Maybe because those posts are more about you than about him? Try posting something negative without promoting your own blog and see if it works? He’s not required to give time to other wanna-be’s is he?

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 6, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I attempted to post this: “Am I allowed to post yet?” It was not posted. I can only assume that everything I attempt to post will be blocked, regardless of content.

by feltb0t on Oct 6, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TK just emailed me to say I’ve been reinstated.

by feltb0t on Oct 7, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

some of his sources probably departed

Mullin and Davis, or Harrington might have ‘confided’ in him. I think M.Thompson II has access to players and agents who might not be as forthcoming to Kawakami, and the latter will frequently cite M.T.II as his source. TK covers a lot of other sports in his fashion, and I don’t see how he would have the time to really develop relationships. As a blogger he serves a similar function as the old-school gossip columnist, and publicity agents were a big source for those. Gossip columnists are/were also not held accountable to the standards of news reporting, and I doubt he expects to meet any higher level.

by the.monk on Oct 7, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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