Q&A: Tim Kawakami (Mercury News) :: 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Preseason (Part 1 of 4)
When it comes to the Warriors GSoM friend Tim Kawakami doesn't have a problem telling it how he sees it. That's exactly why it's always fun for us to mic him up.
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Jump for Tim's thoughts on whether Don Nelson, Monta Ellis, and Stephen Jackson will last the entire season with the Warriors as well as the Nellie-Monta-Stephen Curry love triangle.
Golden State of Mind: Which if any of the Warriors recent big headline grabbers (Don Nelson, Monta Ellis, and Stephen Jackson) will last the entire season with the Golden State Warriors?
Tim Kawakami: I think two of the three are likely to be here for the entire season--Warriors management is afraid of what would happen in the fan base if it ever traded Monta Ellis (and remember fear is the Rowell Regime's top-driving emotion) and I don't think Don Nelson will quite quit on this team with $6M left to be paid next season. Plus Rowell also would be too afraid to fire Nelson, again, with the Fear Thing paramount.
Rowell might try to push Nelson aside--as I believe Nelson is already trying to do with Rowell--but those two might be Senseless But Equal in the mind of Chris Cohan. He's probably stuck with both of them and they're stuck with each other.
Stephen Jackson is the one who might have to go. Again, the fear thing: Rowell will appropriately fear what Jackson could do to that locker room atmosphere and less-than-appropriately fear what Jackson could do to Rowell's reputation and credibility.
In fact, it would not shock me at all if Rowell already is telling people that he really didn't want to extend Jackson's contract--that it was some other mysterious entity who did it, over Rowell's misgivings.
So I think Rowell will sign off on taking back some bad money by Jan or Feb if it means he can rid himself of the Jackson problem and Jackson is very good about making himself a problem. I think Jackson very much wants to end up in Cleveland, and the Cavs do have some bad contracts to toss around.
Golden State of Mind: How would you interpret Nelson's response to Monta's "can't rant" to the media? Getting his "star" player's back? Or is it so transparent that we can assume it's a cover up for another of Monta's bad preseason PR-moves?
Tim Kawakami: Cover up a controversy? The Warriors? Really? Actually, I think that Nelson is handling this relatively correctly--Monta was so blunt (and mostly correct) about not believing he could play in a backcourt with Curry, all Nelson can do is smile and say, hey, if that's what Monta feels... and still work them in together when the match-ups allow it.
I do not think Monta and Nelson are getting along, however. I think Nelson is in love with Curry as his future point guard and doesn't see Monta ever being his kind of point guard, or player, or anything. Warriors management, however, needs Monta to sell tickets, so there's another stand-off: Nelson might put Ellis in position to screw up just enough so Nelson can sell management that Curry is the real long-term answer and Ellis should be moved.
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What if we moved Ellis + the contracts for another big name? Wouldn’t that still sell tickets? If only we could somehow use Ellis to get a big named big man like Bosh, too bad we can’t though.
I still love Ellis as a player, but Curry is looking good (I trust Nelsons judgment when it comes to rookies and their potential (I am one of the people who see’s his keeping Randolph out the first half of the season as the right thing last season) and we are very guard heavy.
Also, about Jackson, wouldn’t Jackson to Mav’s make sense? The Mavs want to be good now (seems to me) and Jackson could be an upgrade for them over Howard. It would be a relatively win-win situation, we’d probably have to toss in a first rounder, it would give us an expiring and them a veteran defender and scorer in a system where he would be a 3rd/4th/5th option on the offensive end.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 5, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Winning will sell tickets. Losing, with or without Monta, will not. I still find it fascinating that people in charge of multi-million dollar companies still seem to resort largely to guesswork, “convential wisdom” or “common knowledge” to make business decisions, when real data are available and often contradict their guesswork.
Jackson could be an upgrade for them over Howard.
Could be, but isn’t, and the Mavs who actually employ people to investigate this sort of thing are probably aware of this. Unless Howard has really made himself an enemy in Mark Cuban, they aren’t going to take our problem off our hands for a better player with a shorter contract.
by jae on Oct 5, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when real data are available and often contradict their guesswork.
Real data is a work in progress, it looks a lot clearer in the rear view mirror than thru the windshield. How you gonna use real data to decide who to move and for whom( or wtf the correct grammar would be)? It can easily tell us where we should have gone but not so easily how to get there now?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 5, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Winning will sell tickets. Losing, with or without Monta, will not. I still find it fascinating that people in charge of multi-million dollar companies still seem to resort largely to guesswork, "convential wisdom" or "common knowledge" to make business decisions, when real data are available and often contradict their guesswork.
I agree that winning will sell tickets and that a “star” player doesn’t do as much for the bottom line as “common sense” might dictate. Part of that is “star” is thrown around too loosely. Is Monta Ellis really a star? He hasn’t even made an All-Star team yet and never led a team to the playoffs.
But there are some examples. If I remember just recently when the Nuggets traded for Allen Iverson they saw a HUGE uptake in season ticket sales. I imagine as soon as the Boston Three Party were assembled even before they won a single game they saw a “hockey stick” surge in ticket sales. Similarly if the Warriors traded for Amare Stoudemire tomorrow they’d sure sell a lot more tickets, jerseys, etc.
If the Warriors continued to suck I bet that surge in sales wouldn’t last at all, but from a business standpoint it’s a reasonable “quick fix”.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 5, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBH I feel like Monta lost alot of his "star appeal" last season
Everyone in the Bay Area was cogniscent of how talented monta is. And when Baron left, there was excitement to see what Monta could do. Then the moped happened, and when he came back he was pretty mediocre (for a variety of obvious reasons). Eitherway because of it, he did kind of lose his title as the bay area’s favorite. Its prety obvious that now belongs to Anthony Randolph.
by tafkasam on Oct 5, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine if Amar’e didn’t play with any heart, and we weren’t winning much, it would be a huge let down, too.
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by Naticus2 on Oct 5, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but what is more likely to happen if Amar’e joined, statistically.
We are more likely to win MORE games than we will without him.
He would more than likely play with a lot of heart, like he has done his whole career.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 6, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT is it worth trading biedrins for a 27 year old with major injury history and an expiring contract?
If he signed an extension I’d say yes. Otherwise i’ll take the latvian as we have a young competant center for 5 more years on an affordable contract.
by tafkasam on Oct 6, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading for him is implying there will be an extension signed. I think everyone has made that clear since the trade was even speculated.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 6, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atma Bro, among others, has said he’d do the deal without an extension.
I’m wondering where Brandan Wright fits in this fantasy Amare deal these days. Is Phoenix now meant to make the trade without Curry or Wright?
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 6, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the stat extractor/distiller for Dal
is none other than the Indiana U professor W.Winston, who derives very specific projections for line up combinations.
For slightly different reasons, the peak value relative to cost for both Ellis and Jackson was just before they signed their most recent contracts, and I suspect only a team willing to make a risky move with the hope of boosting their playoff advancement (Dal trading for Kidd an example) would take serious interest in them.
by the.monk on Oct 6, 2009 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Psycho-Babble with TK
What I hate about this is that it treats TK like he has genuine psychological insight into the players in this drama. Maybe you should interview Mike Fisher at Dallasbasketball.com. He’s much better on Nellie. There’s absolutely no evidence that is the case. Also, most series lead with some good stuff. This is it? You achilles heal Atma Brother One.
by Marques8 on Oct 5, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s probably misleading since I posted this part of the Q&A, but neither of these 2 questions were mine, so I can’t take the credit.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 5, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TK is a message board troll with a newspaper column
He loves saying “provocative” things, but honesty isn’t exactly his thing.
Last year he said Nellie was tanking so he could get fired and collect his $$, and Monta would force a trade before coming back from his ankle injury.
Now both are entrenched, according to TK. Make things up as you go along much, Tim?
by Swopa on Oct 5, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you do realize you just ignored all the things Tim was right about (like Harrington, Crawford, Monta not being happy with the Curry pick, Nellie’s talk with Jackson about not playing well, etc) while pointing out things that he was wrong about.
by homer simpson on Oct 5, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait a second here
TK didn’t say that Monta wasn’t happy with the Curry pick — he said that they promised they wouldn’t pick a PG. Which is obviously not true. (For what Tim K. wrote at that time, and a more accurate take by yours truly, see here.)
By “Nellie’s talk with Jackson,” I guess you mean this post, which I wasn’t previously aware of but was stretched further out of context (and thus made even more inaccurate) by Ric Bucher. The context that Kawakami minimized, and Bucher eliminated entirely, was the reason Nelson told Jax he wasn’t playing well — Jackson was playing with an injured wrist, and shooting horribly as a result, but was too competitive to sit out. And Kawakami knew this quite well, since he transcribed the postgame interviews a few days earlier when nearly every reporter’s question had to do with Jackson’s injury obviously hampering him. But Nelson having a plausible reason to confront Jax didn’t fit with Kawakami’s desire to write about W’s turmoil, so that part got tossed.
Thanks for giving me a reason to demonstrate further how phony Tim K. is. (There are more examples, if you want me to embarrass him further.) What is the Crawford item you’re referring to — the same thing Crawford’s agent floated to every reporter in town as payback for Nelson wanting to bench Crawford and play Morrow et al. more? (And which Nelson/Riley backed up by trading Crawford even before the free agency period started?)
I have no doubt that if an agent wants to leak something to TK, he’ll print it exactly as the agent dictates it. That’s how he got bent over and humiliated on Monta supposedly demanding a trade. But that’s not journalism, that’s stenography. TK knows how to type up what someone feeds him, but he couldn’t report his way out of a paper bag.
by Swopa on Oct 5, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Somehow, I think TK is beyond any shame. You can’t embarrass a guy who makes $$$$ to lie.
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by Naticus2 on Oct 5, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the fellas passing for reporters like Kawakami
are probably a big reason for Nelson becoming adept at misdirection and ‘maybe serious’ opinion rants when he speaks with the media folk. Kawakami tries to exploit this by passing himself off as Nelson mind reader/sooth sayer—here he guesses that the coach would like to exclude Ellis from his plans for the team.
by the.monk on Oct 6, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a journalist, if he gets 5/8 things right, that’s pretty sad. He obviously has inside information, but if you pay attention, it’s obvious he’s often blowing smoke.
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by Naticus2 on Oct 5, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He obviously has inside information, but if you pay attention, it’s obvious he’s often blowing smoke.
That makes no sense. His inside information would be the one blowing smoke wouldn’t it?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 6, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The answer is, he's uncritically passing along smoke being blown by his sources
I mention it up above, and so does feltbot on his blog. Monta’s agent (or other “sources close to Ellis”) are repeatedly able to get TK to print whatever spin they want to see in print, without any fact-checking or scrutiny. Even though they flat-out raped him on the story of Monta supposedly demanding a trade last year.
TK can’t afford to stand up to them. He needs the gossip too badly.
by Swopa on Oct 6, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TK can’t afford to stand up to them. He needs the gossip too badly.
If that’s what the source tell him then that’s what he should report. He can’t change it around just cause you don’t like what they say. A reporter reports, they are not the story. As long as he prints what the sources tell him then he’s doing his job. I never read his stuff so I’m assuming he’s saying it is from sources and not from the principals or not from his imagination?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 6, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Kawakami censorship
Tim Kawakami has BANNED me from his blog! I am no longer able to post my thoughts there. Presumably because of the piece I wrote about him on my blog.
Isn’t it fascinating that a journalist who earns his living by reporting and fomenting ill-will and misery could have such a thin skin himself? Isn’t there a delicious irony in the fact that TK is censoring the voices of his readers?
This is what I attempted to post on his blog:
"Another typical TK cup of venom. Who brewed it up for him? Who are his unnamed sources? It should be obvious by now. If it’s not, I can clear it up for you on my blog."
This has nothing to do with a spam filter. I tried posting another tid-bit: “It may have come as a surprise to TK’s sources that KA got the start in the backcourt over Morrow and Curry, but not to me. I predicted it.” I was not allowed to post this either.
Censored by a journalist who holds himself out as a truth-teller, and enemy of censorship. Amazing.
by feltb0t on Oct 6, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference between censorship and not providing you with a vehicle to criticize him. Censorship is trying to restrict you from getting your views out. Saying that you cannot participate in his blog, when you clearly have other places to post your views, is not censorship.
by jae on Oct 6, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ. What would you call filtering his comments section based on the poster’s viewpoint?
by feltb0t on Oct 6, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you call filtering his comments section based on the poster’s viewpoint?
Filtering.
You have not special right to participate on his board.
by jae on Oct 6, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is being censored from that median. Much like HBO does not censor curse words but the words are censored on public TV channels.
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 6, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried posting another tid-bit: "It may have come as a surprise to TK’s sources that KA got the start in the backcourt over Morrow and Curry, but not to me. I predicted it." I was not allowed to post this either.
Maybe because those posts are more about you than about him? Try posting something negative without promoting your own blog and see if it works? He’s not required to give time to other wanna-be’s is he?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 6, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I attempted to post this: “Am I allowed to post yet?” It was not posted. I can only assume that everything I attempt to post will be blocked, regardless of content.
by feltb0t on Oct 6, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TK just emailed me to say I’ve been reinstated.
by feltb0t on Oct 7, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since baseless speculation is the order of the day here, I’ll toss in my own:
Tim Kawakami no longer has a source inside the Warriors organization.
He’s always reported inside scoops with a pointedly pro-Mullin bias… I’m not necessarily saying that Mullin himself was the source, but the odds are that that source has either 1) left the organization or 2) lost all incentive to trash other players on Mullin’s behalf. Cohan/Rowell/Riley/Nellie is the only game in town now… at this point, being pro-Mullin is about as useful to an employee as being pro-Twardzik.
So let’s see if anything in this interview snippet actually indicates an inside source. For a TK point to indicate a current source, it 1) can’t be based on months-old information, 2) has to be based on something other than public knowledge, 3) has to show real confidence in the info presented, as opposed to “I bet that things are messed up over there”-style speculation. Does anything qualify?
Tim Kawakami: I think two of the three are likely to be here for the entire season—Warriors management is afraid of what would happen in the fan base if it ever traded Monta Ellis
This is bizarre. Monta is an entertaining and popular player, to be sure, but I don’t see any evidence that the fan base is obsessed with Monta. The last year, in fact, has gotten the fanbase pretty damn comfortable with the idea that Monta might leave. Randolph and Curry both seem to be engendering just as much excitement as Monta, if not more, and team officials have been more vocal about a Randolph/Morrow/Curry core than Monta. Not to mention that, according to TK’s own reporting, the front office thought very seriously about voiding Monta’s contract for a big chunk of last year.
So this tidbit really makes no logical sense. I can only think of two reasons why TK would be saying it:
1) This was true as of last spring, before we’d drafted Curry and before the excitement about Randolph had really kicked into overdrive — TK heard this then, hasn’t heard anything else since, and so still believes/hopes that it’s true.
2) This is ass-covering, as TK wants to keep stirring up Monta drama. If Monta gets traded, TK wins. If Monta stays, TK can say, “He and Nellie really do hate each other — this is just about keeping the fan base happy.” It allows him to talk about discord and not be proven wrong by any outcome. If the Warriors won six straight titles, TK could still say, “THEY ALL HATE EACH OTHER — THIS IS JUST ABOUT KEEPING THE FAN BASE HAPPY.”
Verdict: no evidence of a source here.
I don’t think Don Nelson will quite quit on this team with $6M left to be paid next season. Plus Rowell also would be too afraid to fire Nelson, again, with the Fear Thing paramount.
All plausible, but no proof of any inside info here.
Rowell might try to push Nelson aside—as I believe Nelson is already trying to do with Rowell—but those two might be Senseless But Equal in the mind of Chris Cohan. He’s probably stuck with both of them and they’re stuck with each other.
So, wait… Rowell is too afraid to fire Nellie again, but he might try to push him aside? Makes no sense. And TK merely “believes” Nellie’s trying to push Rowell aside — there’s no “don’t believe what you hear, this is the real scoop” bravado here. This is 100% pure speculation, and ass-covering speculation, to boot… again, no outcome will contradict TK’s conjectures here. “They’re all trying to force each other out, but it might not work, so you can’t fault me if it seems like they’re all getting along — then they’re just secretly lying to everybody.”
Verdict: no evidence of a source.
Stephen Jackson is the one who might have to go. Again, the fear thing: Rowell will appropriately fear what Jackson could do to that locker room atmosphere and less-than-appropriately fear what Jackson could do to Rowell’s reputation and credibility.
All fine and plausible, but again: no evidence of a source.
In fact, it would not shock me at all if Rowell already is telling people that he really didn’t want to extend Jackson’s contract—that it was some other mysterious entity who did it, over Rowell’s misgivings.
It would not shock you if a thing you made up happened, TK? This is getting embarrassing. No evidence of a source.
So I think Rowell will sign off on taking back some bad money by Jan or Feb if it means he can rid himself of the Jackson problem and Jackson is very good about making himself a problem. I think Jackson very much wants to end up in Cleveland, and the Cavs do have some bad contracts to toss around.
Perfectly fine analysis — I more or less agree with his thoughts. But again, we’re wondering if he has a source. This is a combination of pure conjecture and going off public quotes from Jack where he indicated interest in being a Cav. Verdict: no evidence of a source.
Tim Kawakami: Cover up a controversy? The Warriors? Really? Actually, I think that Nelson is handling this relatively correctly—Monta was so blunt (and mostly correct) about not believing he could play in a backcourt with Curry, all Nelson can do is smile and say, hey, if that’s what Monta feels… and still work them in together when the match-ups allow it.
Again, solid analysis, no evidence of a source.
I do not think Monta and Nelson are getting along, however.
O…kay. No “sources tell me that”, no “don’t believe what they tell you”… just pure speculation that there’s some sort of soap opera going on. Verdict: no evidence of a source.
I think Nelson is in love with Curry as his future point guard and doesn’t see Monta ever being his kind of point guard, or player, or anything. Warriors management, however, needs Monta to sell tickets, so there’s another stand-off: Nelson might put Ellis in position to screw up just enough so Nelson can sell management that Curry is the real long-term answer and Ellis should be moved.
All 100% speculation, and foolish speculation at that… the “Monta = tickets” theory holds zero water. TK “thinks” Nellie’s in love with a player, and that Nellie “might” put another player in a position to screw up. Cute, but: no evidence of a source.
Camp has started — players are interacting, coaches are interacting, everyone’s engaged. If Kawakami had a source within the Warriors, you’d think he’d have something new to say — some shred of information we haven’t heard. He doesn’t. He has nothing. My guess is that he no longer has a source. He had a great run dishing dirt last year, and I don’t begrudge him for it — a guy’s gotta make a living — but it would seem that that particular gravy train has come to an end.
Assuming that’s true, TK now has two options:
1) revert to being a responsible sports journalist, even if it means losing some website hits and notoriety
2) continue to discuss Warriors drama with no knowledge of what it is or even whether it’s happening
The right move is #1; TK seems set on #2. If he tries to keep dishing without a source, if he keeps reporting on smoke when there’s not even proof there’s a fire, ‘09-’10 is going to be a rough season for him, and frankly, I don’t think he’ll make it to ‘10-’11. Continuing in this vein will make him a laughingstock before long.
So some friendly advice, Tim: write what you know, omit what you don’t.
by onlxn on Oct 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
some of his sources probably departed
Mullin and Davis, or Harrington might have ‘confided’ in him. I think M.Thompson II has access to players and agents who might not be as forthcoming to Kawakami, and the latter will frequently cite M.T.II as his source. TK covers a lot of other sports in his fashion, and I don’t see how he would have the time to really develop relationships. As a blogger he serves a similar function as the old-school gossip columnist, and publicity agents were a big source for those. Gossip columnists are/were also not held accountable to the standards of news reporting, and I doubt he expects to meet any higher level.
by the.monk on Oct 7, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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