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Monta Ellis- Back in the Saddle :: 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Player Recap and Previews

Editor's Note (Atma Brother #1): Longtime GSoMer Sleepy Freud kindly stepped up to the plate to help with our ongoing 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors madness. I'll pass the mic to him for an outstanding preview of Monta Ellis' upcoming campaign...

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Did you hear the one about the kid who was handed the keys to the franchise, and mistook them for the keys to the moped...?


Yes, I think you have. Make the "jump" anyway?

Star-divide

Really, there's not much we haven't heard about young Monta Monti Monté Montay Monteigh -- which makes the task of writing this diary, which the GSoM team has so kindly offered me, a bit of a challenge. My initial plan was to touch on the underexplored cultural/class angle of his current plight. Here we have a kid of modest means from Nowheresville, MS, who had to claw his way into the NBA as a second round pick; who totally bungled his first big shot at real NBA stardom; who has endured the disappointment and scorn of a rabid fanbase; and who now suddenly has to compete (for fan adoration if not minutes) with the cute media darling who was born with the silver toothguard in his mouth. But just as I was mulling over how I would say this, longtime GSoMer Bloodsweatndonuts summed it up about as beautifully as you can:

Curry grew up with money and safety. Monta did not.

Curry was a consensus lottery pick. Monta fell to the second round.

Curry is comfortable with the media as a rookie. Monta is finally, in his 5th season, able to answer a direct question and he has that slow delivery and southern drawl.

Curry is a handsome kid. Monta looks like he was dropped on his face as a kid.

Curry, as a rookie, is getting publicly praised for doing exactly what the coach is publicly complaining about Monta not doing.

There’s a lot to resent. Curry had all of the advantages growing up and is coming in and getting talked about in glowing terms. The coaches love him, the fans love him and the media loves him. All Monta’s ever had was his skill and his work ethic and he probably feels like he’s earned everything he’s attained. Conversely, it likely has always been laid out there for Curry if he wanted to pursue it. Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but I wouldn’t expect them to be BFFs any time soon.

As an aside: it's eccentric genius posts like that that make it totally worth hanging out on this site, putting up with the junky, jumpy flash ads ("your fantasy videogame maiden awaits" -- "if you wear this man-perfume, she will ride you like a rented mule" -- "look like an oily 'roided up gym freak in as little as three days" etc.), slogging through "realistic" trade proposal #89,275...

Anyway, in the absence of anything to say that's nearly as fresh and insightful as BSD's post, let me cover the basics and see where it takes us. Worst case scenario, I lose control of this thing and try to brake with my ankle.

First the 2008/09 recap. One fine August day in Mississippi, 2008, Monta mounted his moped ...

OK, fast forward. One chilly January day in Oakland 2009, Monta returned from hoops purgatory. The season was already in the tank, spirits of Warrior Nation were low, and Monta's game didn't do much to raise them, initially. His first five games back from the DL, he looked nothing like the irresistible force we had last seen at the end of '07/08 doing a passable impersonation of Dwyane Wade. January '09 per game numbers: 29.8 min / 12.4 pts (.369 fg%) / 2.8 reb / 2.4 ast / 2.4 to.

In February things picked up -- a bit. 35.3 min / 14.0 pts (.414 fg%) / 4.1 reb / 3.0 ast / 2.5 to.

Then the ankle got cranky again, and the kid was shut down for a couple of weeks. Upon his second coming in mid-March ... lo and behold, he started to look a bit more like the Monta we knew and ... loved? 37.4 min / 23.5 pts (.493 fg%) / 4.5 reb / 4.4 ast / 2.8 to. And finally, to close out his season, a cherry of a game on top off the distinctly un-sundae-ish pile of suck that was the season as a whole: 42 points, 9 rebounds, 9 assists.

Fast forward to the present.  What to expect in 2009/10? Well, even if you attribute some of his '07/08 success to the elite distributive skills of Baron Davis, I don't see why we can't look at his last healthy stretch of play as a baseline. We have a tendency to forget just how good Monta was the second half of that season, pre- fat contract, pre-moped, pre-awkward dissembling, pre- breaking the hearts of Warrior Nation, pre- Stephen Golden Curry. To jog people's collective memory:

Feb '08 -- 40.2 min / 26.0 pts (.602 fg%) / 4.7 reb / 4.8 ast / 1.7 to

Mar '08 -- 41.4 min / 22.6 pts (.529 fg%) / 6.3 reb / 4.6 ast / 2.6 to

Apr '08 -- 38.3 min / 22.3 pts (.538 fg%) / 6.3 reb / 4.3 ast / 3.2 to

Unless you think the ankle injury has permanently sapped some of his explosiveness, I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine that Monta, at age 23/24, can be that guy again. Efficient scorer, sweet mid-range shooter, spectacular finisher, solid rebounder for his size ... Monta Monti Monté Montay Monteigh will always be those things. Still ... a few nagging questions persist:

1. The vision thing. I mean, the kid's handles are slick enough, the turnover numbers are low enough, and the assist numbers aren't bad. When I'm feeling sanguine, I like to imagine his career arc similar to that of Chauncey Billups lt;/a> or Devin Harris, neither of whom filled up the assist column to start their careers. I dunno, though: watching him, he just seems more like a "head-down" guy (Amare Stoudemire and Corey Maggette say hi) than than a real heads-up floor general. Could be hoops IQ, could be something as basic as peripheral vision. I just haven't seen enough flashes of Floor General to make me "believe" that it's in him. It's probably stupid to judge stuff based on summer league and a couple of preseason games, and it's stupider still to risk feeding into any kind of incipient Monta/Curry conflagration. But you look at the way Curry seems to see/feel his four teammates from the moment his hands touch the ball, and the way he times where they're each going to be and when, and ... well, you get the picture.

2. Defense. I think he has the physical tools -- good lateral speed, quick hands., etc. He also looks to have buffed up a bit in the offseason. So far in his career though, he's looked uninterested at best on this end of the floor, with no real signs of progress. Does he have the will and/or the hoops IQ to improve? I found his comments on the likely defensive ineptitude of a Monta/Curry backcourt an encouraging sign: he seems to get that defense is, you know, important. But as they say, talk is cheap.

3. Monta 'n' Curry. Again, I don't want to fan the flames, but unless we start playing like a 50-win team out of the gate, it's hard to imagine things between them not getting prickly. Part of it's just the nature of the internet. News needs to be constant. In the absence of genuine controversy, people will create some. These two really are just a Kawakami "story" waiting to happen. Here's hoping they stick it to the haters and develop a sweet l'il bromance against all odds. Here's expecting ... otherwise.

Still, as one "Shells" said the other:

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2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Preview

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This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Why do people want to trade Monta?

I always see comments or posts saying " A way to trade Monta" . I just don’t get it any more. What has he done wrong other then one moped accident? Saying to small guards don’t work well? News flash! He is right unless Curry puts on ten pounds and can guard the two.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
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by dubzfan on Oct 6, 2009 9:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with you on trading Monta

But I got to stick up for guys like Tim Duncan, John Stockon, Tony Parker, and Dwayne Wade. How are they not leaders? They all lead their respective teams either deep into the playoffs or actually winning the whole thing. So what if their quiet? That just means they have more class and sportsmanship. Do you want a league full of Stephen Jackson’s who argues almost every call, even though he’s guilty? A league of Lebron James’ unsportsmanlike act by not shaking an opponents hand? Emotion is niice, if they all act like Ronny Turiaf. Otherwise, I don’t see your argument on how “quiet” players are not leaders, cause last time I checked a leader means winning championships and I believe 3/4 of the above players have won at least 1 title.

The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!

by ballin on Oct 6, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude...

How did you miss the sarcasm in that post? It’s laced with it…

by Goldenstarter on Oct 6, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you’re saying you’d trade our fiery Cap’n Jack for a boring nebbish like Stockton or Duncan? No way dude.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 7, 2009 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

:-|

That wasn’t one of the poll options. Write-ins are not permitted. ;-)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 7, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re being sarcastic, right?

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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 6, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, he's absolutely right

We would have a terrific chance at winning the NBA championship last season had Monta been healthy.

by IQofaWarrior on Oct 6, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just makin sure, because ballin made a serious post after LOL.

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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 7, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Monta won’t improve tremendously, IMO. His strength is his speed. He’s not going to get faster.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 6, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s not going to get faster.

  Can always buy a faster moped?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 7, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

His strength is his speed. He’s not going to get faster.

I’m not saying he’s gonna get a whole lot better, but that just seems like really bad logic for why he’s not going to improve. Obviously its an oversimplification of your point and I’m sure your reasons for believing that are more complex, but it still makes it seem like your reasoning is built on a foundation of shaky logic.

Thing A

by sam23 on Oct 7, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1,

the skills that most of us would like to see Monta improve have nothing to do with his speed. More to do with fundamentals, such as improving his defensive intensity and developing his court vision and passing game. Something that is completely possiable for Ellis.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Oct 7, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

As I said, what makes him special is his speed. His fundamentals are great as well, as is the case with all great players. My point is merely that the way he played two years ago was largely due to his incredible speed. I will grant that as he ages, he will still have a lot to contribute. That jump shot of his is incredible. Of course, if he can develop a solid 3 point shot, he will be scary.

The fact is, he lacks court vision, doesn’t have range (last time we checked) and isn’t a fantastic ball handler. His strengths are speed and fundamentals. The latter, he seems to have mastered and will probably not get any better. The former will not improve with time. His ball handling and 3 point shooting may well improve. If those two things improve significantly, that will be impressive.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 10, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

The latter, he seems to have mastered and will probably not get any better.

Meh, he could still watch some of those classic MJ “quiet 50” games. That man was the king of fundamentals.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 10, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just in case you don't take this the right way

I pretty much agree with you on the idea that we haven’t seen him getting better at other things, but we haven’t really seen him for 18 months… that’s a long time. We’ll see, but let’s not expect him to turn into a fabulous PG all of a sudden.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, he's right. You don't understand.

When people are fast, it makes them unable to play basketball.
I mean, look at Derrick Rose! He’s so fast that he can’t shoot. AND HE NEVER WILL.

I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]

by Prevenge on Oct 8, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

look at Derrick Rose! He’s so fast that he can’t shoot. AND HE NEVER WILL

and Foyle is so un-fast that he proves the point?

Standing on the moon
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Standing on the moon
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Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 8, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say he wasn’t going to improve. I said he’s not going to improve a lot.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 10, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only want to trade him if Curry proves himself and because Ellis is a 2 in a 1’s body. That would be fine with a big 1. We don’t have that. Curry will feed Morrow, Randolph, Biedrins, Azubuike etc. in a way Ellis can’t. That means the whole team scores and everyone is more dangerous. Curry may get to the point that he can pass to the right player and not just the open player, as well. A true point guard in the making, I hope. I like Ellis… with a big 1. It’s not that I’m not a fan of his either. His offense is outstanding. Like him. Just not the best way to win, IMO.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 6, 2009 10:06 PM PDT reply actions  

2 things

1 the first picture is really funny

2 I agree with dubzfan, I think we should keep Ellis

Fear is the Mind Killer

by dubzero23 on Oct 6, 2009 10:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Rebooting Monta's Contract

Rebooting Monta’s Contract

When your computer crashes and hangs, you need a reboot to start fresh. This season is Monta’s reboot after crashing his moped, hurting his ankle, and destroying his first season of his new contract. Monta has a lot to prove: He has to prove that he is worthy of his contract, that he has recovered 100% from his ankle surgery, that he can be a leader/voice/captain of the team, and that he can play point guard and be a play maker.

As far as his ankle recovery is concerned, I don’t think that’s an issue. I haven’t heard any worries during training camp about his ankle. As for being a leader and voice, he already demonstrated hints of that by openly asserting that Monta + Curry was too small, and also emphatically stating what the Warriors style of play will be, which is fast breaks while playing defense. As for being a play maker/point guard, he’s certainly talked the talk about driving and kicking and finding the open 3 pt shooter.

But whether Monta can walk the walk of being the play maker remains to be seen. As Sleepy Freud pointed out, Monta’s been primarily a driver focused on the basket, and not so much on the players around him. But who knows? Remember that Monta won the Most Improved Player in 2006-07, and then was in the conversation to win it AGAIN in 2007-08. So perhaps he’ll surprise us and learn how to be a playmaker. I don’t think he’ll ever be as smooth as Steve Nash or Chris Paul, but if he’s “good enough”, I’ll settle for that.

One other question mark on Monta is whether he can coexist with Curry, and I don’t mean defensively. I mean, whether Monta actually gets jealous/envious of Curry and all the praise he’s received and let that affect Monta’s game, or whether Monta will accept Curry and compete against Curry to improve his own point guard game. A good sign that this isn’t an issue is when Monta stated after Preseason Game 1 that Curry was better than he expected.

So with all those questions over Monta’s head, I feel Monta will be the focal point of this team’s success this season. If Monta can be an adequate play maker, if he can once again threaten opposing defenses with his speed, if he can get along with Curry and not cause a stink in the locker room, we’re more likely to get some wins. Otherwise, set sail on the failboat. This season, Monta is The Make or Break Guy™.

by IQofaWarrior on Oct 6, 2009 10:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t think Monta will get jealous of Curry. Monta is a big boy whose contract is guaranteed. The worst that could happen would be him getting traded somewhere, so he can get his minutes. The Dubs are not going to hold onto Monta and not play him.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 6, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

As odd as it may sound, this recap of yours, Sensei SleepyFreud

made me laugh out loud. The look on Monta’s face in the first pic is priceless.

On a serious note: Why would anyone even think of trading Monta? Nuts, anyone?
As much as I’m hoping the best for Curry this season, I believe Monta has the potential to become a leader of this team IF or WHEN Jackson leaves. If that’s the case, either way, Monta should keep the young Kid Curry under his wing, teach him all the ropes – the same way Baron had taught him.

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by girltothemax on Oct 6, 2009 10:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m with you. People overreact too much and are way too EMO about the whole Monta moped thing. He has shown that he can grow leaps and bounds each season he was healthy, adding different facets to his game. What makes people think he can’t continue to do so?

Monta is the man. Curry is the man. Randolph is the man. Morrow is the man.

I like our core young guys, they will become great….even…dare I say….All star (Morrow in the 3pnt contest, Randolph in the real deal…eventually).

Things are looking bright to me in warriors land. (just gotta look at it in the right light!)

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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 6, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Things are looking bright to me in warriors land. (just gotta look at it in the right light!)

Definetly this team has some great young pieces to get excited about. However as constructed I dont see this team doing great things (competing in the playoffs). Hopefully we can move either Jackson or Maggette with out sacrificing too many assetts, and then we could add another good young draft pick and a player or 2 with the MLE. If the team does it the right way, we might be only 2 or so years away. Till then we got some great young kids on the team, that we can cheer and root for.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Oct 7, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ideally, in my mind, we somehow move andris + contracts for Bosh/Amare and Jack or something for Ariza. We would have an extremely strong young group.

Imagine:

Curry
Ellis
Ariza
Randolph
Bosh/Amare

and possibly even more Ellis for a big 2 guard that’s young. Not too sure who, but ya.

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 7, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That same team is strong and young with Biedrins at center. Question is why a non-idiotic GM like Daryl Morey would give us Ariza, a young, plus-defensive bona fide starting small forward, for an old disgruntled swing man like Jackson.

I mean, does every thread on this board really have to morph into “Still More Fantasy Trade Proposals” …?

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 7, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, does every thread on this board really have to morph into "Still More Fantasy Trade Proposals" …?

of course…..unless you want to talk politics instead.

Thing A

by sam23 on Oct 8, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

if their statements to the media

or their choice of off-season activities indicate anything, Curry shows greater hoops leadership capabilities than Ellis. There are very good players who don’t quite have the mind or personality to lead a team, so that’s not really a flaw in Ellis. If he continues to be a successful player and becomes a good father to his children, those are huge accomplishments. Curry has had obvious advantages with his parents, education, and environment growing up, but those things mean nothing to his team mates and he’ll need to thoroughly earn a position as a team leader, if that develops. Neither Ellis nor Curry has led a professional team anywhere yet, so we have another interesting sub-plot to follow.

by the.monk on Oct 6, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I only want to trade him, if we can get a player that helps our team more than he does and if Curry proves to be a star (like I tentatively think he will be). I’d like Tracy McGrady as our two, if we can give up Monta and Jax (rather give up Maggs, but he’s worthless) for him. A big scoring two to complement Curry and less logjam is just more effective. Plus, we’d save a bunch of money with McGrady’s expiring. Would the Rockets go for this? Don’t think so. Would most Warriors fans? Nope.

McGrady for Jax and Monta

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by Naticus2 on Oct 6, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

On a serious note: Why would anyone even think of trading Monta? Nuts, anyone?

Again, anyone on this team is tradable. Anybody, that includes Randolph and Curry. If the price is right anybody is tradable. At the current moment, I would wait to see how the players on this team play and see who comes calling near the deadline.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Oct 7, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

To me, Randolph is untradable. He has the potential to be as good as ANYONE in the league. Obviously there are the truly elite players like Cp3, Lebron, Wade, but those players would never be packaged to GSW.

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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 7, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this. Randolph has a chance to be a truly elite player. If we could get Wade for Randolph after Wright gets healthy, yeah, we could do that. But that’s not going to happen.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 10, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wade+Beasley for Monta+Randolph+Jax?

Needless to say, the trade machine hates it, but:

1. It’s not taking into account Randolph’s improvement, and it’s using Monta’s 08/09 performance.

2. Miami has to do something with Wade, and if they can’t re-sign him, they’d like to get something.

3. Beasley has well documented problems.

Curry/Watson/Law/Claxton
Wade/Morrow
Buike/Maggs
Beasley/Wright/George
Biedrins/Turiaf/Moore/Pruitt

Not deep, but not bad at all. It’s definitely a playoff team if Curry is remotely as advertised. Problem is, the window for that team is very small, and the vast majority of the team is a year or more away from being ready.

It also works without Beasley and using their trade exception on Randolph.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 10, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

One year with Wade would be depressing, if he up and left immediately. I couldn’t do it. The thing is, I think the Heat would consider that. Monta and Randolph are a tempting tandem.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 11, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

One year with Wade would be depressing, if he up and left immediately.

It would be tense for the first half of the season (is he going to sign an extension?!?!?! I hope he does…), then depressing for the second (he didn’t sign an extension, we’re doomed. Plus, we’re only a 6 seed and there’s no way we’re making it past the Lakers, Spurs, or Portland this year… crap).

Yeah, I definitely don’t do any trades for any stars on expiring contracts that don’t come with an extension in place.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

best picture evar

rec just for that!

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by disguy on Oct 6, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

for the sake of accuracy

since you like the image, disguy, I’m pretty sure it’s a Vespa scooter (P is for Piaggio) and not a moped, and it’s from a klassik film with G.Peck as Hepburn’s co-star if my memory serves.

by the.monk on Oct 6, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, well done, Thelonious. The movie is Roman Holiday (1953) starring Audrey and, yes, illustrious UC Berkeley graduate Gregory Peck. One of the sweetest romantic comedies ever. My sister-in-law still cries at the ending, even though she’s seen it like 4,723 times. It’s kind of miraculous that there’s never been a crappy newfangled remake starring a Ben and a Jennifer…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 7, 2009 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sweet

I’ll definitely have that movie in mind the next time me and my gf are looking for a movie to watch.

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by disguy on Oct 7, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s kind of miraculous that there’s never been a crappy newfangled remake starring a Ben and a Jennifer…

(jumps in car and races down to Hollywood with terrific and totally unique idea!)

Thing A

by sam23 on Oct 7, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

the complementary Hepburn klassik

that re-frames romance in the cynical 60s is “Two for the Road”. The time and place of both films, and the analog technology used to produce them, give them a vividness no present-day imitation could re-create.

by the.monk on Oct 7, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, I love “Two for the Road.” Great, bittersweet movie, lovely Henry Mancini theme song. My wife and I always think of the theme as “our song” (even if we don’t have nearly as glamor or drama-filled lives as Finney/Hepburn in the movie)…

If you’re feeling fancy free,
come wander through the world with me,
and any place we chance to be,
will be a rendezvous.
Two for the road,
we’ll travel through the years,
collecting precious memories,
selecting souvenirs
and living life the way we please…

As long as love still wears a smile,
I know that we’ll be two for the road,
and that’s a long long while…

Ugh, apologies for the sappiness. It’s my diary and I’l cry if I want to… ;-P

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 7, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Stop hating

Give Montay a chance to redeem himself.

Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........

by mykelala01 on Oct 6, 2009 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m still not convinced a Monta / Curry backcourt wouldn’t work all the time, contrary to what everyone has said. I think if both at least have active hands on defense, and disrupt the passing lanes, it would be fine. It’s not like opposing SGs are going to continuously post up when we have such a plethora of shot blockers.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 6, 2009 11:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Our shotblockers can’t rebound or cover the big men, while they shot block. Not a fan of a mismatch anywhere on the floor. You can only compensate so much for it.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 6, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can you not be a fan of mismatches with Don Nelson as the head coach?

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 6, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even Nellie wouldn’t play Monta and Curry together, with Baron on the floor. He knows Baron can post up and knows that can be a disaster. Mismatches are great… when they’re in our favor.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 7, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still think even Nellie will have Monta and Curry playing side by side against Baron later in the season… Once he gets a taste of how offensively explosive that backcourt is, and once Curry adjusts to the NBA a bit more. He already took back his ’won’t play them together against a big guard’ idea, and that only took what, a week?

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 7, 2009 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they’ll be able to play together regularly, personally. I just think there are cases where it’s just not advantageous.

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by Naticus2 on Oct 10, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

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by fotd on Oct 7, 2009 8:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Great writeup.

As I’ve said before, I think it all comes down to defense. Improved playmaking would be gravy, but we were a functional offensive team without a real point last year, and there’s no reason to think we couldn’t be again this year. Maggette gets his points no matter who’s around him, Jack can create for himself (though we might often wish that he wouldn’t), Morrow and ‘Buike have already been finding open looks without a playmaker… this could work. A playmaker would obviously make the offense better, but I don’t think it’s the huge difference-maker others seem to.

But it would make a huge difference if Monta turned back into the annoying waterbug on defense he was 2-3 years ago. We need to force more turnovers to have a shot, and he’s the guy who’d best be able to do that. Like Sleepy, I’m encouraged by his Curry comments (although I have to say I’m unconvinced that there’s tension between the two)… Monta is making noises like he wants to lead this team. If he wants to lead, he needs to do it on defense. We need a pulse on that end.

by onlxn on Oct 7, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Suns would never do it. They already have Barbosa and they are lackin on the bigs.

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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 7, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

is it me

or has Monta not matured?

Anyway, LGW…still.

(what is up with the drama by the fans? Isn’t it bad enough that the media is trying to cause the Warriors drama(ssss) with the rivalry against Monta and Curry? They’re different players; different men. Perhaps one can see though, if they’re really that good tonight…)

by Shells on Oct 7, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

is it me, or has Monta not matured?

It’s you. You’re just maturing at such a rapid pace you don’t notice his comparatively glacial maturation. You just have to measure his emotional growth in geological time…

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 7, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

they dont have to be best friends

but you never rag on your teammate to the media.

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by montadaboss on Oct 7, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great write up Sleepy,

even though I didnt agree with everything you said, you make alot of good points. Monta is kind of a forgotten man after last year’s fiasco, and with everyone falling in love with AR and Curry.

I must admit I loved what Curry did against the Clippers. The kid looks great. I don’t think a backcourt of Ellis and Curry will work, but stacking up assetts is always a good thing. Monta was so great in the end of 08’, I cant wait to see him back in form.

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by warriorsscore110 on Oct 7, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

You had me at....

“Did you hear the one about the kid who was handed the keys to the franchise, and mistook them for the keys to the moped…?”

Sleep Freud is killin’ it! Great write up. Can you explain the ‘shells’ picture?

by dj fuzzylogic on Oct 7, 2009 9:51 PM PDT reply actions  

She always says: "Still, LGW" (i.e. Lets Go Warriors)

And it’s a picture of Conchiglie (or shells in American).

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

“She” of course being GSoM poster “Shells.”

DJFL man, you gotta hang out in the game threads more… ;-)

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 7, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously!

I’m totally missing out on all these in-side jokes. But now that I know, that makes that picture even more hilarious.

by dj fuzzylogic on Oct 8, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

hilarious?

you should definitely hang out on the live games.

by Shells on Oct 10, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, DJFL!

Here’s hoping you drop a few more of your classic “sports-meets-culture” diaries this season. The way our team keeps dropping like flies, we’re going to need the distraction…

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 7, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, ouch!
Monta looks like he was dropped on his face as a kid.

Why not just rar’ back some and throw in a south-of-the-Manson-Nixon-line inbreeding joke, too?

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by Learning To Stutter on Oct 11, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Why not just rar’ back some and throw in a south-of-the-Manson-Nixon-line inbreeding joke, too?

Mostly because it would make absolutely no sense as a joke. As the great comedic scholar, R-Dizzle would point out, a joke must either have a kernel of truth at it’s core or be so absurdly opposite of the truth, that only the back end of the back end of the “joke getting” bell-curve would confuse it with an ernest attempt at posing it as a kernel of truth.

To put it another way Monta Ellis’s “census profile” would suggest that his “ethnic origin” would almost entirely eliminate him from the “inbreeding joke” accepted target demographic yet his “place of birth” would indicate that the potential for irony in this case would be too low to attempt such a joke from that angle. . . thus leaving Monta Ellis squarely in “inbreeding joke” no-man’s land.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 14, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

thus leaving Monta Ellis squarely in "inbreeding joke" no-man’s land.

assuming he doesn’t think one somehow breeds with a moped?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 14, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: that only the back end of the back end of the "joke getting" bell-curve

I wasn’t expect a bi of offhand jiggery-pokery to receive a postgrad-level dissection, and while I appreciate the effort, I must disagree with your conclusions:

1. How does his “ethnic origin” disqualify him? T’ain’t the South I know.

2. “Target demographic” meaning the target of the joke or the target audience for the joke? Either way, I reference my first bullet point to refute this assertion.

3. His “place of birth” : BFE, Miss-o-ssippi. Regardless of the first two arguments, being from MS means that an inbreeding joke is always in play.

More importantly, if we are going to bring non-basketball factors to bear on a discussion of a player’s performance, or even to speculate on his state of mind, we’ve already leap that dread moral chasm, and it should be open season to suggest that perhaps he is so fast because he has webbed toes, or that he is not a pure point guard because he was born with his right eye in the left socket and vice versa.

In final analysis, a joke doesn’t have to be anything. It just is, and is either enjoyed or it is not. No amount of dense verbiage can alter that essential fact.

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by Learning To Stutter on Oct 14, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since you don't like "dense verbiage" . . .

I’ll be brief (for me) and I’m using “A, B and C” because “A” is intended to respond to your “1, 2 & 3”:

A. I have never heard of an inbred joke about an American southerner that was not about a white person. I will freely admit that I have no interest in that genre of humor and will defer to your apparent expertise. I had no intentions of barking up that tree and I wouldn’t have tried to do so with Ellis for the reasons I so verbosely stated above.

B. My entire point of the original “Ellis looks like he was dropped on his head as a kid” was that Curry is handsome and Ellis is not. This was part of a long list of the advantages that Curry has enjoyed on his way to the NBA contrasted with the many challenges that Ellis has had to overcome like poverty, falling to the second round, not being media savvy and being weird-looking. I think we can both agree that, in America, it is an advantage to be good looking and it is a disadvantage to look “asymmetrical”. You brought up inbreeding, that wasn’t even on my radar.

C. Humor is subjective. My whole “graduate-level dissertation” was another failed attempt at humor on my part. That’s how I view written humor: that there has to be some truth or irony at it’s core or it makes no sense. But I’m certainly arrogant enough to try to tell you what you should think is or isn’t funny and why. The point was to make a joke about why I personally wouldn’t attempt an inbreeding joke about a non-white from Mississippi just from a pure humor standpoint. From an ethical standpoint, i wouldn’t make an inbreeding joke about anybody from the American south for any reason.

2.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 14, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correction on C:

Should read:

But I’m certainly not arrogant enough to try to tell you what you should think is or isn’t funny and why.

Freudian slip? Appropriate for this Fanpost I guess . . .

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 15, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't make an inbreeding joke

I was attempting to point out that his facial features aren’t relevant to his playing abilities. Initial indications are I failed in this task. Besides, I doubt Mr. Ellis would care; even the butt-ugliest NBA player could easily get more ass than a toilet seat, though I will grant that it may, in fact, be a dick thing.

Dense verbiage is what I do best. You gotta play to your strengths.

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by Learning To Stutter on Oct 15, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

No amount of dense verbiage can alter that essential fact.

but it can take away the will to live

Standing on the moon
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 15, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: but it can take away the will to live

Considering the sheer amount of “dense” verbiage you generate, it sounds like you’ve taken my sig ine to heart. :)

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 15, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the block quote . . .

That’s what I was going to get onlxn for his birthday, but I guess I’ll have to go with the “B-Wright’s #1” Dislocated Foam Finger instead.

I’m 3000 miles away from home so I’ve been unable to do anything other than barely keep up with the clusterjack that’s been going on and randomly marveling at things like Homer Simpson’s insanely heroic attempt at simultaneously arguing with jae, onlxn and Sleepy. Heck, I wouldn’t even try that and I’ve been known debate against all of my seven personalities at once about such trivial topics as ear size, tree humping and the proper use of the word “muffin” as a verb. But one of I digress . . .

The thing that always brings me back to the side of wanting to keep Monta Ellis is that he’s just so freaking exciting to watch. I know that has no bearing on the team’s likelihood of winning basketball games but, um, I’m a Warriors fan so clearly “liking winning” doesn’t rank very highly on my list of “why I watch basketball”. Simply put, he can do things that nobody else can do and do them at a speed that defies reasonable expectation and that’s worth all the no-defense and strange personality (lying about the tatoos?) stuff for me .

 One thing that is of concern is that he seems to be taking longer jump shots (20’-23’) and those seem to be dropping with less frequency as the shorter ones (15’-19’) he used to stick to in 2007-08. Shooting or not shooting from just a couple spots on the floor can make a huge difference in FG%. Look how decent a FG% Stephen Jackson would have if he would just stop shooting threes from anywhere but the corners. This is what concerns me about the Ellis of last year and this preseason. Note that my internet access is spotty so I can’t verify my statistical assumptions right now. Feel free to correct them if I’m imagining Ellis’ or Jackson’s specific FG% from different spots to be what they aren’t.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 14, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Monta is a poor man’s Iverson at best. Too selfish to be a PG and too undersized to guard the many good SG’s in the nba……so he’ll always have that matchup problem unless if he’s paired with Baron-like PG’s. Like Ellis said, he can’t coexist with Curry, so W’s need to make a choice – they can’ t play ‘em both and they can’t bench one. I don’t see what’s so great about Monta. He’s getting paid $11mil to be a 1 dimensional player and score 18-19 ppg. Many SG’s in the league have that ability. Morrow/Azu/Maggette have that capability as well. Trade his moped azz for Boozer, keep S Jax.

by RowellMustGo on Oct 15, 2009 5:35 AM PDT reply actions  

You’re overstating the case pretty wildly. Monta does look like a bit of a ‘tweener, from what we’ve seen so far. His passing/playmaking skills have been somewhat worse than Iverson’s. He doesn’t seem to have the court sense and vision required of a “true” point guard. On the other hand, at age 23/24, he’s already a more efficient scorer and a much better rebounder than Iverson ever was, while turning the ball over less frequently. None of Morrow/Azu/Maggs has Monta’s ability to be a 20/5/5-ish guy, while shooting over 50% from the floor and taking reasonably good care of the ball. Indeed, not all that many players in the NBA have that ability.

The Warriors don’t need to make a choice right now. With Jackson gone or benched (fingers crossed), they have 96 minutes in the backcourt to divide among Monta, Curry, Morrow, and ‘Buike, with maybe some table scraps for Acie and CJ. That’s plenty of minutes to let them both strut their stuff. If Monta plays 36 minutes a game and Curry plays, say, 24, they only need to coexist for 12 minutes a game. Given that they’re both 6’3" and both solid rebounders for their size, this won’t kill us. It might even occasionally be murder on opponents.

Monta’s 23 and Curry’s 21. Calm down and have a little patience.

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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 15, 2009 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

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