RUMOR: Stephen Jackson for Zydrunas Ilgauskas ($11.5 million expiring)
by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 9, 2009 8:56 AM PDT
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Well they sure do look like teammates here thanks to a little Funleavy Foto Fun by "Captain" Jack.
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GSoM friend Marcus Thompson writes Would You Trade Jax for Ilgauskas? over at CC Times blog Inside the Warriors:
One rumor I've heard lately is that the Warriors have talked with Cleveland about acquiring Zydrunas Ilgauskas from the Cavaliers.
This seems like a move the Warriors would love to make, which leads me to believe Cleveland either isn't that interested in Jackson (they did sign Anthony Parker and they have Delonte West at shooting guard already) or they want more in exchange for Ilgauskas' $11.5 million expiring contract.
It should be noted that this trade would NOT work straight up (see FAIL on ESPN Trade Machine). Devean George [Trade Successful] or Acie Law [Trade Successful] would have to be included. The trade would also work with Kelenna Azubuike, but Larry Riley's a sharp cat- he wouldn't unnecessarily give away a solid swingman with a great deal to make this trade happen. Maybe that's what it will take for the Cavs to swallow the 4 years on Jackson's contract though? C.J. Watson cannot be traded until December 15th. Regardless, the trade can't just be Jack for Big Z. Some other names need to be included.
In the short run, this is another move that makes the team worse. Sure it will help the team open up more playing time for their younger players (read: players who haven't earned the PT yet) which many hardcore (meaning crazy) Warriors fans oddly keep fantasizing about. But make no mistake about it- Jackson is a quality pro on both offense and defense. Unfortunately (because this should never happen on an NBA team) he was last year and is currently the Warriors best player. In terms of offensive effiency he doesn't put up the gaudy numbers of Andris Biedrins and Monta Ellis, but neither of those players are asked to do as much on offense and neither stack up with Jack on D.
But getting rid of Captain Turnover and the ludicrous remaining 4 years on his deal (thank you Robert Rowell!) so that the Warriors can potentially net $22.8 million in expiring contracts? (Actually it'd probably be a little less since it would take George or Law to make it happen.) Sign me up.
The issue again for the Warriors is are they actually going to use all these expiring deals to make a high impact trade. I doubt they actually cash in on those contracts, but it's worth a shot. Let's face it- no one wants to play with the Warriors unless they overpay or the player has no other viable options. But here's a rare situation where simply dumping a player's contract could be a move for the Warriors in the long term. If you think the situation is nightmarish with the Warriors lead "captain" right now, imagine in a year or two after the Warriors have continued their losing ways (or more correctly Chris Cohan's losing ways) and the team keeps getting younger with their influx of lottery picks. That's a toxic environment that's conducive to no one. Captain Technical will not be a happy camper.
In the short term, it's a big step back for the Warriors (meaning stepping back from 10th place in the West to maybe 12th), but it could be a little interesting giving Nellie Ilgauskas. Big Z is still a quality center with a nice J. At age 34 he's probably at the tail end of his career (it's remarkable he's lasted this long after all those early injuries- give him his props), but there could be some shades of Manute Bol hitting jumpers (though not 3's) for the 2009-2010 Warriors season. An inside-outside combo of Ilgauskas and Biedrins could be interesting- especially if the two could work on some sort of passing 2-man game.
As far as starters or even heavy minutes this could present an interesting lineup:
Small Backcourt + Big Frontcourt
PG: Stephen Curry- 6'3
SG: Monta Ellis- 6'3
SF: Anthony Randolph- 7'0
PF: Andris Biedrins- 6'11
C: Zyndrus Ilgauskas- 7'3
Off the bench there's still Corey Maggette, Anthony Morrow, Kelenna Azubuike, etc. to give the Warriors some other looks in the backcourt.
For the Cavs: Great short term move, but questionable long term move.
Stephen Jackson is an excellent, excellent X-factor. There's no doubt about it. When he's not asked to be the captain or the #1/ #2 option he's a key cog in a winning squad (see WE BELIEVE + recent player recap and projection). Jack brings a very capable passer, 3pt shooter, and savvy vet (though not quite with the refs). When he wants to he can put out All-NBA Defense caliber results. The 2009-2010 Cleveland Cavaliers would a be great fit for him. Come to think of it- it's a great fit for anyone to play with King James.
Truth be told I'd be happy to see Jackson playing alongside LeBron James contending for a title. Against the Boston Celtics, Jack could focus on defending Paul Pierce so LeBron has more energy to be a 1-man show on offense or the best help defender ever seen. Same thing against Vince Carter on the Orlando Magic. Then imagine LeBron vs. Jack against Kobe and Ron-Ron in the 2010 NBA Finals. Plus the Shaq- Kobe how does his you know what taste?- drama storyline.
The problem is next year and beyond for the Cavs when LeBron James is in NY. They'd be stuck with a malcontent who would quickly wear out his welcome and demand a trade. But maybe the Cavs could trade him to New York at that point?
This is without a doubt the entire city of Cleveland's best chance at a professional sports titlte for quite some time (don't put your money on the Cleveland Browns). Trading an expensive backup center for the ultimate X-factor? They've got to make this move.
Also check out:
- Stephen Jackson - O Captain, My Captain :: 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Player Recaps and Previews
- Fear the Sword
- Around the Association: 2009-2010 Cleveland Cavaliers - Now or Never
- Jayd92009's FanPost on the rumored Jack for Big Z swap
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If I were the cavs GM...
Knowing that big Z and shaq are at the twilight of their careers, I’d have them take turns starting every game to keep their legs fresh for the postseason and increase my chances of winning a title and would NOT do this trade. But as a diehard warriors fan I must sat, pull the trigger, Riley!!!
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by JustSomeName on Oct 9, 2009 9:17 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
The sooner the Warriors get rid of Jackson the better we'll be.
This move won’t even hurt us in the short term. It gives us the deep-man depth we need to make up for Wright’s injury.
Clearing Jackson helps us in the long and short term. Adding Z helps us in the short term. If its available, the team needs to do it.
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i thought you guys set the rules of not posting the same topic twice? looks like somebody already posted this yesterday
by Manute Said So on Oct 9, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Man, you need to put down the haterade
What we’ve done here (and many times in the past) is bring something to the front page, toss down our ideas, and then reference the initial Fanpost.
How about you use your commenting space to say something productive instead of these type of comments?
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you can’t talk your way out of this one. sorry bro. if it was another person, this post would be long gone. and that haterade you’re talking about, it aint just me. everyone bashes on each others ideas here so don’t even start
by Manute Said So on Oct 9, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually that’s not true at all.
The front page is a blog. The FanPosts and FanPosts are community submissions. They aren’t the same. It’s always been this way. This is not a message board.
If you write a lengthy and outstanding FanPost, but there’s already one of the same topic it’ll definitely stay up. High quality stuff is always welcome here. But if you write a few lines that could obviously be posted as a comment in an existing thread, then then you’ll be asked to move it- not very complicated.
Also here’s a tip: Low quality comments with poor grammar, capitalization, and spelling are hidden around these parts.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 9, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
so do you suggest that the uneducated warriors fan should just read other comments and keep their comments to themselves and not post because they’re making GSOM look bad?
by Manute Said So on Oct 9, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously not- I mean look at how much I write!
I do suggest that if you’re not willing to spend the time to formulate coherent thoughts and write decent prose (we’re not grammar police here, we’re not asking for all that much), then it’s probably not a good idea to post comments, FanPosts, and FanShots on GSoM. If it’s not worth your time to do this, then it’s simply not worth our time to read them.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 9, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
im just playing around with you man! don’t get all sensitive on us. we’re all one big warriors family here! anyways, i dont think the cavs are willing to trade for jax cuz they have moon already. thats according to one of those nba rumor sites.
by Manute Said So on Oct 9, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Moon’s an underrated player, but he’s a totally different player from Jackson. He’s almost more of an undersized 4 (with a half-decent 3 pt stroke) than a true 2/3 creator like Jack. If Jack is 100% on his game, he actually does fill a role that they don’t currently have filled: long, versatile #2 wing player to hit open 3s, take some of the ballhandling pressure off LBJ, and guard the Allens, ’Shards, Artests and Kobes of the world…
There will be no extra point!
DO IT!
Get it done. It doesn’t make sense to have Steven Jackson on the team if he went out of his way to publicly say he doesn’t want to be here…. remember how poorly Al Harrington played, when he didn’t wan to be here?
Big Z FINALLY gives the Warriors a BIG center to deal with the bigger centers in the league that torch the Warriors… and we’re already down a power forward.
AWESOME!!!???
SF: Anthony Randolph- 7’0
PF: Andris Biedrins- 6’11
C: Zyndrus Ilgauskas- 7’3
(looks around for Cavs fans)
(whispers)
The Cavs shouldn’t do it.
I mean, it wouldn’t be an outright disaster for them. Jack would be a motivated Cav, and when he’s motivated, he’s a useful guy. While his defense isn’t the All-NBA level some make it out to be, it’s very good, and it can be applied to many types of opponents… that’s a nice thing for a team that wants to go deep in the playoffs. And I don’t think Lebron is going anywhere, so on some level they’d be justified in ignoring the long-term money implications.
But they don’t need this guy, at this money, at this time. They have a championship-caliber team and a great trading chip; they shouldn’t play that chip now, and disrupt training camp, to add a not-great malcontent with a bad contract. There are better options available to them if they want to peddle Z, and I imagine they know that.
There is not a reason in the world why we shouldn’t do it. We have three capable swingmen besides Jack; I think Maggette’s actually a better player, and Morrow might be by season’s end as well. Whatever we’d lose in losing Jack would be more than made up for the addition of another capable big. Our rebounding would improve considerably; our shot selection would improve considerably; our attitude would improve considerably. More minutes for Morrow and ‘Buike, fewer minutes for Mikki Moore and for Maggette at power forward, and we’d also become a mid-range player in the deepest free agency market in league history(1). That’s a huge pile of win.
The closest thing to a reason to keep Jack is defense — he’s the guy who usually guards the opposing team’s best player. But guess what? That hasn’t been working at all for us… we had the worst defense in the league last year, this despite a roster of athletic and coachable guys. Clearly Jack isn’t solving anything. In fact, his absence would force us to grow up a little on that end. Nellie’s defensive strategy last year was basically “play Jack as often as possible and hope it works out”. It didn’t work out in the slightest, and it wouldn’t this year, either. Without Jack, either Nellie or Keith Smart would have to do some by-God coaching of the younger players. Our defense would stink this year, but it’d stink more productively than if everyone was lollygagging and pretending like Jack was enough of a defensive whiz to make a difference.
Long story short, it’s an “absolutely” for us and a “probably not” for them. Unless we add some other attractive chips, or unless Jack really made an impression on Lebron in this game last year, I think this rumor is not long for this world. Of course, if any Cleveland fans show up on here, WTF THIS IS A RIPOFF JACK IS AWESOME WHAT A STEAL FOR THE CAVS!
(1) I’d love for jae or someone to walk through how much space various iterations of this deal would give us. Pretty please…?
by onlxn on Oct 9, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Noooooooo!
I wrote a piece trying to sell Cavs fans, media, and management on this trade and you write this?
(Just giving you a hard time man)
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by Atma Brother ONE on Oct 9, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Hm, maybe we can offset your blasphemy by hiring a bunch of shills to come in and write a bunch of empassioned posts about how Jackson is “the best player on the team” and an “NBA champion” and “born leader” overbrimming with “intangibles”…?
Come to think of it, we might not even have to hire shills… XD
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 9, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Come on man
I already did that silly head.
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by R Dizzle on Oct 10, 2009 11:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
(1) I’d love for jae or someone to walk through how much space various iterations of this deal would give us. Pretty please…?
I hope I have some time to. Unfortunately I’ve found myself back in the working world with much, much longer hours than I’m used to.
Cool. I made my own clumsy attempt at it in the other thread, so hopefully you wouldn’t have to do more than error-check.
You saved me the work. Looks solid enough.
My addendum:
Odds of having much more than the MLE are low.
Odds of having enough for a “big name free agent” are almost nil.
Odds of having enough to toss too much at reasonable talent such that we’re overpaying for a good/not great player for years to come ala Maggette? Reasonable. I almost worry more about having cap room as I’m terrified on the long term mistakes it might saddle us with.
by jae on Oct 9, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the question for the Cavs point of view is what else could they get for his expiring contract? I think the deal is a useful one for them in a vacuum, Jackson has a bad contract but they’re in full-on compete mode and Jackson’s a very useful player a good fit alongside their other players. So i think the deal would be worth it for them as opposed to staying put. The important question for them is can they use the expiring deal to acquire a bigger upgrade or similar one with less of a salary burden. I suspect that they possibly could but i don’t know the answer to that one.
by EnglishWarriors on Oct 9, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions
Crossposting from the fanpost...
We could also throw in Claxton and Law and take back Delonte West:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
This version rids them of an increasingly unhinged nutjob, gives them a solid veteran citizen / third string PG / benchwarmer, and — relative to the “simple version” of the deal — significantly cuts their salary burden for their campaign to extend LeBron.
I don’t think the current Jackson is a big plus for them (or any team), but it was pretty clear to me in Cleveland’s ECF loss against Orlando that their lack of long, versatile wing players (other than that James kid) to match up with Shard/Turk/MP2 was an issue. So even if Jack is a marginally worse player than Delonte, he might fit them better. Plus, Delonte’s extremely erratic behavior of late could well be seen as an unwanted wildcard on a team with serious championship aspirations. Obviously Jackson has a rather "wild" history too, but I think on the whole he’s perceived as a good teammate and a winner. I imagine his championship ring alone would be a selling point for the Cavs.
Then again … they would really leave themselves thin up front, with the only big men beyond Shaq being Varejão and whatever vet min type player they could scrounge up. Realistically, we might have to consider throwing in Turiaf and taking back another salary to make it work (Gibson or Parker I guess … preferably Parker b/c of his shorter contract). That version seems a bit lopsided in their favor, since young, healthy Turiaf is probably an upgrade over old, lumbering Z. Maybe we extort everyone’s fave Leon Powe to even things up a bit? Something like…
Jackson / Turiaf / Law / Claxton
for
Ilgauskas / Powe / Anthony Parker
Would people still consider it if meant including Turiaf? Given the physical question marks surrounding both Z and Powe, and the proven durability of Jack and Turiaf, I’d imagine the Cavs would have a tough time turning that deal down.
I could imagine a deal coming down to whether the Cavs want to take on an extra $3.8M (the difference in 2010/11 salary between Jack and Delonte) while they’re trying to woo LeBron. Either way they’ll obviously offer LeBron the stars and the moon and the mayor of Cleveland’s firstborn … but maybe the capologists can weigh on on the luxury tax implications of their roster with and without Jackson added to the mix?
There will be no extra point!
We’d be better off WITH Jack if it means having to give up Turiaf
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by JustSomeName on Oct 9, 2009 10:17 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Possibly. Depends on how healthy Big Z is and how much of a nuisance/malcontent Jackson plans to make of himself if we don’t trade him.
Also, when healthy, Powe is a better player than Turiaf. And he’d bring back the missing JRich “earnest and good-looking” factor…
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 9, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
haha, am I the only one that thinks powe and j rich have the same facial features?! Anyways, could we possibly give them Mikki Moore instead of Turiaf?
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by JustSomeName on Oct 9, 2009 10:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know. I feel like we ought to do everything possible to keep Randolph happy and developing. I think Turiaf has helped him along the way. I’m also a very big fan of Turiaf, so I can’t say I’m for that so much. Maybe I’m underestimating Randolph, and he doesn’t need a Turiaf around. I can’t say I’m totally against the trade either. It’d save us a lot of money and would open things up for us next season.
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I'd make that trade
I’d like to know a little bit more about the effect dumping Jackson would have on our cap flexibility for the next few years first, but I like the looks of it.
Thing A
What would we do with Dris?
Mr B’dWrench can’t shoot well enough to play power forward with a big center so would they split the time? Doesn’t seem like an ideal use of resources? I think Zilgalzcus would be more useful to Cleveland since Shaq can’t play all year at top speed.
If we did get big Z we’d probably need to trade Dris for a good SF otherwise the trade would make us worse.
We certainly wouldn’t want to include AcieLaw in any Sjax trade until we see how Montay is gonna heal.
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At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 9, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions
Mr B’dWrench can’t shoot well enough to play power forward with a big center
Big Z is a high-post center, with a very nice touch from 15-18 ft. I could actually see AB and Z working well together for stretches.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 9, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
During the playoffs, that might come in very handy. A Lakers lineup of Gasol, Bynum and Odom versus our linejup of Randolph, Ilgauskus and Biedrins, would be interesting.
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Exactly! It would defenitley give us a lot of line up options up front. A big center with a good outside shot, probably Nelson’s wet dream! Biedrins can still play near the basket on offense, but doesn’t have to deal with the bigger centers in the league on D. We’d have a good rotation with Randolph, Turiaf added into the mix and Mikki Moore gets the best seat in the house!
The biggest thing is it gives us an attractive trading chip to use near the deadline and it gets rid of an unattractive contract. If the Cavs are willing, we could definatley do a lot worse!
I don’t think this trade is to get big Z but more about getting rid of Jack. Z’s huge expiring is worth more than four years of a malcontent Jack. I’d rather have big z rot on the bench and get only spot minutes than trade away biedeins so z can play for one year and retire.
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by JustSomeName on Oct 9, 2009 10:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We certainly wouldn’t want to include AcieLaw in any Sjax trade until we see how Montay is gonna heal.
Isn’t Monta’s l’il ankle tweak already pretty much healed? Even if he misses a month, Watson’s a serviceable backup PG. Acie Law should be the last person holding back any kind of deal.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 9, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Acie Law should be the last person holding back any kind of deal.
+1
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by JustSomeName on Oct 9, 2009 10:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn’t Monta’s l’il ankle tweak already pretty much healed?
It will take a season to know for sure . Acie is our best option if Montay can’t play or Curr-bury rooks out. If they want to take Sjax and someone else that would be better for us but I can’t really see replacing Sjax with Zylgalskuz making us any better?
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Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
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At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 9, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
If Monta cant play and Curry fails at the PG the season isnt going to go well anyway. If those things happen and Mikki Moore and Devean George are splitting the bulk of the PG minutes I dont think many of us are going to be thinking “ARRRGGGHHH IF ONLY WE HAD ACIE LAW!!!!!!!”
Thing A
If those things happen and Mikki Moore and Devean George are splitting the bulk of the PG minutes I dont think many of us are going to be thinking "ARRRGGGHHH IF ONLY WE HAD ACIE LAW!!!!!!!"
You don’t think Acie is a better point guard than Moore or George? Since he’s got better handles than Montay and more experience than Curr-bury he might be our best point right now? :>)
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Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 9, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Andris starts, z backs up
ar/turiaf the 4
Moore as 3rd backup for both
ANd then trade andris for amare!
Mr B’dWrench can’t shoot well enough to play power forward with a big center so would they split the time?
Is Varejao really a better shooter than Biedrins? That combination worked just fine for the Cavs last year. Like Sleepy said, its big Z who would be playing away from the hoop, not Biedrins and a Big Z/Biedrins frontcourt probably has more ability to draw defenders away from the hoop than any 4/5 combination currently on our roster (not counting the minutes guys 6’6" and under will play at the 4 this year)
Thing A
its big Z who would be playing away from the hoop?
that doesn’t sound good, he’s too slow to play outside?
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At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 9, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I ask the question...who else is out there to trade for? Have we given up on Amare? Boozer?..their contracts are expiring too!
Also I want to note, please lets make sure we use Devean George and Speedy as our trade fillers…I say lets keep Law…he has something that might be useful. This trade works if we still find a way to trade for Amare…perhaps then give up Law, Maggs and Beans for Amare and whoever…
Curry
Ellis
Randolph
Amare
Z
actually this is better
Curry
Ellis
Buike
AR
Amare
Morrow, Z, etc,,,off the bench
Amare is not happening!
He has already made it clear he doesn’t want to play here and we would be giving up Biedrins, with no one to replace him next season when Amare leaves. Plus, I’m pretty sure Phoenix would want Curry back in any trade.
We get Z for Jax, we get an expiring and we still have Biedrins to man the middle for us. Biedrins isn’t an all-star, but is still a good player and would be hard to replace.
why?
The warriors will not trade turiaf are you guys crazy? they have a nice 1-2 punch at center so why mess with it Z is slow and old and has foot problems. Jackson stays a warrior. the warriors are a deep team they can run people into the ground if………..nellie rotates them. the wright injury hurts them because that kid was due for a break out season. if he’s healthy them trade jack i would have loved to see wright beitrin and randolph together at the same time on the court……3 7 footers that can run wow. and add turiaf to the mix you have alot of flexability.
I just cant believe all these beitrin trade rumors……this guy rebounds does all the dirty work shoots 65 % doesnt take bad shoots has improved every year and is what 23? and has a great attitude something missing from jackson.
let this team grow together they arent going to win the NBA this year with the Cavs and the lakers and spurs loading up and also the celtics…….but……we have time on our side we are young and very athletic……be patient with this team.
why?
Because Jackson has demanded a trade (and not backed off), is a mediocre player even when he’s motivated, and so far in pre-season already looks like he’s checked out?
Anything we can get for him at this point is a plus. Turiaf was just an off-the-wall suggestion by me to make it more appealing from the Cavs’ perspective. Obviously I appreciate Rony’s energy, shotblocking, and all-around good-guy-ness. So would the Cavs.
Biedrins+ for Amare is totally separate topic, one that I think has already been covered in other threads.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 9, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree to let this team grow, but we can do that with or without Jack and I’d prefer without an big z’s expiring is worth much more than four years of jack’s malcontent ass, with 20 mil in expirings we could add somebody either via trade or free agency that could help our young team and guide them to bigger and better things
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by JustSomeName on Oct 9, 2009 11:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
be patient with this team.
That sounds great but consider that management will break them up once they first make the playoffs and you’ll get depressed. Look how many years we waited til 07 then POW right in the kisser, one and done.
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Standing on the moon
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At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 9, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions
Only Trade Jackson
if Rowell and coehn go with him what do you guys think?
whats missing from the warriors?
It’s called chemistry……and the only way you get it is by playing together over a period of time. the average age of the warriors is what 23-24 they have to learn to trust each other on the floor and play as a team…….. not individuals. Just remember the last warrior team to win the NBA championship…….they played as team and that will make all the difference in the world……this team has talent….alot of it.
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Nice shill job Call me master, hey who is this Beitrin you speak of? He sounds decent…
The only thing that might make the Z trade acceptable for me at least is the fact that Z has already come out and said he was looking at retirment after this season. Other than that I like Jack but if we can get some cap relief that would be great, with the premise that IT WILL BE USED. I just get the feeling that a lot of the expiring contracts that have been acquired are just gonna be allowed to expire without using them. Much like what happened with the trade exemption 2 yrs ago…
big Z
I dont lke this trade. Big Z doesn’t have much left in him. The only positive thing I can see would Nellie making some around the perimeter plays for him since he has a jumper, which will also create room for Ellis, Maggette, the rest of the team to get to the basket. He is injury prone and we don’t need another person on the list – especially with our teams rigorous playing style. Jack needs to go but I feel as if we can get something better. Just my 2cents
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You don't need a lot of big Z.
He’s a backup big man for us, playing minutes at the 4 and 5 to make up for the minutes we expected Wright to play. Basically, his purpose is to play the 4 so Maggs doesn’t have to. A year from now you’re hoping Wright picks up those minutes for less money.
Because of Jack’s contract and age, there aren’t a lot of teams that will be interested in him. The Cavs are one of the few for who he MIGHT make sense.
If.......that had only listen to mully
and not given jackson that contract extension we wouldn’t be talking about it would we? and if it is true…trading him to detroit for the prince wouldn’t have been a bad trade at all….maybe a great trade but Rowell messed that up too.
where did Coen find Rowell?
I just don't care about Jack anymore...
I’ll trade him for anyone who expires after the season.
by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Oct 9, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions
how did we miss.....
Richard jefferson? the spurs stole this guy was the NBA asleep like the warriors were?
I’ve decided not to call you “Master.” ;-P
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 9, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha. Are you this guy?
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 9, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
yikes
you know Big Z will be injured as soon as he gets here rendering the trade a disaster this year.
I dont have any faith in the Dubs signing a big name next year so we end up with a terrible season this year and the potential for greater failure in 2010-11.
this is a crappy situation we are in
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and in 2-3 years we win the NBA Championship
And quit being so negative warriorsvictim thats the problem around here everybody is in a hurry to do something stupid like trade for Z last time i checked there are 2 players in utah that would be a nice fit here Boozer and AK47 and i choosing the AK47 over Boozer……Jack for AK47 and throw in an expiring contract and Rowell it works for me.
you are not the master of the ‘reply’ function
Thing A
by sam23 on Oct 9, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jack for AK47 and throw in an expiring contract and Rowell it works for me.
yea well Jack and an expiring for LeBron or Dwight Howard or Chris Paul works for me. Unfortunately those ideas are only slightly less likely to appeal to the GMs of the Cavs, Magic, and Hornets than your AK47 for Jackson idea is to appeal to the Jazz.
Thing A
think about it
Jackson is a hard nose player like sloan was ……sloan and AK47 don’t like each other and boozer has a expiring contract…….okay we throw in somebody else …Deven George will do ….Im telling you AK47 is the missing piece
Deven George will do
I’m dubious, Master.
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by Sleepy Freud on Oct 9, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I never saw Sloan play but I cant really imagine him being the kind of guy who was too busy whining at refs to get back on D, much less the kind of guy who would have the “hard nose” off-court issues Jack has had. It sure doesn’t seem like a match made in heaven to me. Sleepy and I are about as big of fans of the AK-47 to the bay idea as you’ll find. I’d love to agree with you, but realistically I just can’t see Stephen Jackson and Devean George even coming close to getting that trade done.
Thing A
The Jazz are already having salary cap problems...
There is no way they would get rid of a massive expiring for someone with a terrible contract.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 9, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Would the CAVS do the trade?
If I were the CAVS I would. Did you guys see how they lost to the Magic?
No one wanted to shoot at the end of the game. LBJ can’t take every shot and he needs teammates that are willing to take the possible game winner or make that back breaking transition 3.
While SJax is in the end of his career he is the PERFECT 2nd fiddle/3rd option for someone like Kobe, Wade, or LBJ. He’s a decent spot up shooter not afraid to take the big shot, he’ll guard the other teams best perimeter player to allow studs like Kobe, LBJ, and Wade save their energy for offense, during the game, and through out the season, and when on a championship team HE IS A GREAT TEAMMATE – if you wear the same jersey as him he’ll have your back (see Artest, Ron) no matter what you do.
Do they need Z? Even with Shaq he’d still play but you have to think about it this way. What’s the best 4 player/2 position combo?
Shaq/Z and Parker/West
or
Shaq/Varejao and Sjax/Parker?
Both Shaq and Z have played starter minutes all of their career so we don’t know how effective each would be in limited minutes. If you sacrifice Shaq or Z’s minutes to give the other starting minutes then it should be a no brainer to upgrade your starting line up at the 2 as Vareajo/Powe can man the back up C minutes.
I’d be willing to dangle SJax and a 2010/2011 1st rounder for for Z. The Warriors don’t need another rookie and they would be able to get 22 million dollars in expiring cap space to trade or sign for a MAX type player to go with Monta, Curry, Randolph, and Morrow (how sick would Bosh look with that group?) and the Cavs would get a Scottie Pippen type side kick for LBJ and a 1st rounder to find his future replacement. Win-win for both squads.
Hopefully it gets announced soon.
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I actually agree. Jack could be the missing link for the Cav’s to be a significantly better team and have much better hopes for a championship/keeping LBJ around.
I’d actually go from hating the Cav’s, to wanting to see them succeed. Would be very fun to see LBJ/Shaq/Jack!
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by LostHawkGSW on Oct 9, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would be very fun to see LBJ/Shaq/Jack!
That’s probably the best reason I’ve heard to make this trade.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 9, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no way the Warriors make the trade if Buike has to be included
That would make no sense because Azubuike would most likely start at Small Forward if Jackson leaves.
Pretty much a plus for both teams
The Cavs get a player to compliment LeBron on the other wing, which they need because Anthony Parker and Delonte West can’t match the Celtics and Lakers second best wing players in Allen and Artest. Also throw in the addition of Vince Carter (the Magics top wing player) to the Magic, who the Cavs lost to in the playoffs, and the whole becomes even larger. Jackson would take a little pressure of LeBron, and he would be able to help guard the other teams top player. There lineup would be stacked with Williams, Jackson, James, Varejao, and Shaq. For the Warriors, they would add an expiring contract, and a big man who can shoot. Maybe Big Z would be able to help Andris learn how to shoot a jumper as a big man? The trade would also allow the Warriors to get on with their future plans because Jackson isn’t really part of that since he wants out. The lineup would probably be like what it will be for years to come. With Ellis, Curry/Morrow, Azubuike, Randolph, and Biedrins. So overall good deal for both teams.
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Don’t forget to mention how Stephen Jackson helped the Spurs win a championship to end the Lakers’ dynasty. Tim Duncan called him the “Ultimate Teammate”.
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by Precise Films Productions on Oct 9, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions
Send them Stephen Jackson and Monta Ellis for whatever expiring contracts / draft picks they want to send us. Our team won’t get worse. We were just as good with them playing last year as we were without them.
We need to rebuild the right way with young talent that actually wants to be here and the salary cap space to go after good free agents.
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jackson? jackson?? SHIP HIS ASS OUT.
but seriously, get him and his contract out of town. big z isn’t going to contribute to this dubs team. he can’t run, plays a half court game, has bad knees and feet, and is probably going to retire after this year. let’s just chalk the jackson contract up as a mistake and move on. cut the losses.
Get rid of jackson and maggete to free money for next year
Yes jackson gots to go but we wont get straight up… so how about sending him to the wizards who need defensive for mike miller there numbers are the same i believe and his contract expires at end of year also get rid of maggete send him back down to the clippers who need scorers for marcus camby and ricky davis(both expiring contracts) just throw in mikki moore and a draft pick to make numbers work. camby, davis, and miller all can help this year but better yet it will free up alot of money for next year free agents…. well just a thought and wish
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