Stephen Jackson - Trade Partner/Asset Analysis & Weighted Ranking
by ignign*kt on Nov 10, 2009 2:26 PM PST
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I've gone through every team team in the league and identified the Ws' most likely trading partners in a Stephen Jackson trade.
I've disqualified non-contenders and teams with significant investments in 2s and 3s.
The parameters for a deal are either expiring contracts and draft picks(salary dump) or more "valuable" players with longer contracts.
I've ranked the trade scenarios, based on the Ws' needs and wants: big men, speed, shooting range, and money saved.
Teams marked with an asterisk indicate the Ws must add an additional player(s) to make the salaries match. Unless otherwise indicated, all players below have expiring contracts.
1. UTA: Boozer(12.3M)*
2. LAC: Camby
3. ORL: Gortat(BYC) + Anthony Johnson + Adonal Foyle
4. PHI: Brand(14.8M+/4yrs)*
5. MIA: James Jones(team option next year, making it a veritable expiring contract) + Dorrell Wright (and 1 more minimum contract should Miami insist on maximizing its capspace)
6. UTA: Matt Harpring(possible medical retirement, insured and expiring)
7. LAL: Adam Morrison + Jordan Farmar
8. TOR: Amir Johnson + Nesterovic or Antoine Wright
9. CLE: Ilgauskas(11.5M)*
10. N.O.: Stojakovic(13.4M+/2yrs)*
11. PHI: Dalembert(12M+/2yrs)*
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I’d rather keep Jackson than take Brand’s contract back. If he can’t fit into Phillie’s offensive system, he DEFINITELY cannot fit into our’s. And if we WERE to get him, what about biedrins/randolph?
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by JustSomeName on Nov 10, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Brand has played like doo-doo.
A better fit would be their stud Mareese Speights, but I think he’s untouchable.
If Elton doesn’t turn things around soon, he’s not worth it.
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by ignign*kt on Nov 10, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brand "not worth" Jackson???
Why would any team in the NBA trade a skilled big man for this whining 31 year old POS with an albatross contract who is shooting 41.8 percent lifetime (31 percent on jacked up 3’s) and less than 4 rebounds a game?
When you subtract all the negetives (his age, declining skill level, boat anchor contract, unstable personality) from Jackson’s diminishing court value, you end up with a player worth pretty close to MINUS zero.
That’s the dirty little secret why they haven’t traded him yet. It’s not because “the trades aren’t good enough.” The W’s would take anybody at this point. (Look at their long history of trading players run out of town by Nelson. They always end up with nothing in return.) They’re used to being on the losing end of trades. But because any trade they make will likely require the W’s to PAY OFF part of his ridiculous contract, Rowell and their idiotic near bankrupt owner won’t let them pull the trigger.
I think it will come out that the simple truth is nobody wants Jackson with this contract, and they’re just desperately holding out for a “trade” where they don’t have to eat part of it. It’s all about MONEY now, not “improving the team.” Unfortunately, they’re unlikely to find a sucker out there.
Goodwill wouldn’t pick up Jackson at point.
by formerlythecity on Nov 12, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not because "the trades aren’t good enough."
I suspect the trades haven’t been good enough in the sense that other teams want other assets from us to do us the favor of trying to erase the Jackson mistake, or to take back equivalent problems off of their hands. When was the last time a good trade came out of a situation where one GM said to the other “you think YOU have problems…”? That’s what I imagine most of the trade talks are about.
It’s possible that some GM out there will see 20+ppg and think he’s the right piece of the puzzle. It certainly fooled GS’s powers that be into inking him to the extension. Perhaps there’s an equal fool to pull a fast one over on.
by jae on Nov 12, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
such bad choices....
the only ones that make sense to me are #9 and #11….
by HireMeAsGM on Nov 10, 2009 2:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Sam>Brand
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by JustSomeName on Nov 10, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The gortat one would be usefull IF we're gonna move biedrins
otherwise Brandon Bass + Anthony Johnson might not be bad either… a good energy PF for 3 yr/12 mil deal.
by tafkasam on Nov 10, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gortat would be useful whether or not we move Biedrins as he’s a good player. However, he’s also not someone that the Magic are about to trade.
by jae on Nov 10, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't think so?
I thought a large reason they resigned him was as trade bait. Yes he can back up Dwight Howard, but considering superman is the franchise and will play 36-38 minutes a night do they really need to pay MLE for a backup center of minimal minutes?
As for Gortat, he’s a center. I can’t see him and Biedrins together on floor, and I don’t like turiaf with either as its so technically limited offensively. Granted we are no team to scoff away bigs as we’re possibly thinnest team in NBA at pf/c, we could REALLY use someone with an offensive post game.
Orlando is a team who should be interested in Jack as he fits there system perfectly, and while carter is good, the injury will scare them and they could use a SF who can adequately replace Hedo. Rashard Lewis is more effective at PF, especially considering Dwight Howard can more than make up for the rebounding weaknesses Lewis has.
I wouldn’t mind Brandon Bass at all since he’s on a modest 3 year 12 mil contract. Him + AJohnson (Release Johnson back to orlando) saves us some money, gives us a good energy PF who can play our style. I’d like Ryan Anderson too, but i doubt they’d give him up
by tafkasam on Nov 11, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that being said
I wouldn’t mind gortat one bit. And more so cause it’d let us shop Biedrins or Turiaf for PF with a post game.
I know I’m gonna get killed with the biedrin’s fan club, but he is onto his 2nd year in a row with a biginjury, and that’s worrisome to me. He has great hands but he has shown no ability to develop real post moves or even a 5-7 foot shot (let alone 10-15 ft). I really don’t see much improvement from him.
If we can get a good player for Biedrins and gortat for jack, i’d jump the opportunity
by tafkasam on Nov 11, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt very much that they kept Gortat as trade-bait. They retained him by matching an offer sheet for a restricted free agent. That gives Gortat the right to veto trades for a year. That doesn’t really mesh with the “they signed him to trade him” notion.
by jae on Nov 11, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They also have no problem with the luxury tax
Can someone do a study. Has anyone reached NBA finals w/o being in luxury tax in last 10 years? I’m thinking casually over it, and every team that comes to mind is in it…
Jae whats your thought on brandon Bass. I feel when Rashard comes back and with Ryan Anderson emerging, his minutes will be very limited
by tafkasam on Nov 11, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They have no problem with the lux tax? Not sure I parse that. You mean that they aren’t paying the tax, or they have no reluctance to pay the tax? The latter might be true, but the former isn’t. They’re paying quite a bit.
Bass? He looks like he should be a beefy solid rebounder, but he’s not particularly good. For the flack that Brandan Wright got about his rebounding, he’s been a bit better than Bass. Bass is a low vol, high efficiency junk scorer, again, not quite as good at this as Wright. (Yeah, I know, Wright isn’t available. Just using as a point of reference.) Perhaps Bass’s bulk might help him hold people off in the paint, but in general, he’s just not terribly exciting. He’s signed for a few more years at $4mil per. That’s hardly terrible, but not a super bargain either. (Anyone who thought that we should not pick up Brandan’s option should run in terror from Bass.)
It’s fine if it doesn’t cost us much. If they’ll take Acie and Devean for him? Sure. Why not? Probably won’t hurt. Probably won’t help much either though. Quick fixes won’t fix things.
This team needs Monta to regain his form from 2 years ago and stop thinking that shooting more often will make him a better player. It won’t. I think more and more that he’s a very good player to play alongside a point guard who can dominate the ball and get him the ball in the right situations, but the more it’s in his hands, the more opportunity he has to make mistakes.
This team needs Randolph to emerge as a dominant interior force. Hasn’t happened. He looks like he did last year: great rebounder, but shouldn’t be more than 5 feet from the basket most of the time. The “I’m not a center” talk is a real let-down. Someone should force him to look at a Magic stepping in for Kareem in the NBA finals as a rookie while flashing “stars do what it takes and become what they need to be—stars do not complain about what they are not” over and over again.
by jae on Nov 11, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone should force him to look at a Magic stepping in for Kareem in the NBA finals as a rookie while flashing "stars do what it takes and become what they need to be
and there in lies problem of a losing culture. When you win everyone sacrifices… When you lose everyone is out to ‘get theres’
by tafkasam on Nov 11, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we got Gortat, why would we trade AB?
Do we have to? No—think people.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 11, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers are an intriguing option
Maybe Jax & Wright for Morrison and Vujacic. They’re pretty set at all positions, but upgrading their depth at the 2/3 and the 4 at the expense of Morrison’s expiring contract would be nice.
Most of what you’ve suggested is completely and utterly ignoring the reality of “the other team has to agree to the trade.”
I’ve ranked the trades you’ve listed for the other teams:
1. Keep our players
2. Investigate other teams
999. Trade for Stephen Jackson
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 3:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
sjax and artest on the same team?
I think the Lakers would be smart not to try that.
by mosdl on Nov 10, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as a laker fan
this is a trade i want to have happen. maybe my bias is clouding my judgment and skewing the rankings, but I admit I’m infatuated with the idea of having sjax run the point, ron harper-style.
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by ignign*kt on Nov 10, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He would probably be a bit better as their starting PG than Derek Fisher … but then a garbage can on wheels wouldn’t be much worse…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 10, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So
Do the Warriors sign off on that? An expiring $5M and a half decent SG expiring after 10/11? Does Vujacic have a player or team option? I’d say make it happen if Jax is really irreparably unhappy.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO
I’d rather have Powell than Vujacic. Money still works for Powell + Morrison for Jax. I don’t know if the Lakers would do it though…
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 10, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
Another warm body down low would be better… though the Lakers would balk at further thinning their front line. If you don’t want to part with Wright, you might get them with Jax & George for Morrison & Vujacic. Jax makes Vujacic pretty expendable. They’d want to part with him. The wouldn’t want to part with a big man when it’s just a few months till the annual Andrew Bynum knee injury.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then salaries don't work.
Brandan just barely doesn’t fit under Chris Mihm’s trade exception. And I’m not sure the Lakers would want Brandan at $5M (including the lux tax).
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather give you up.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 11, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’d be SO pissed if we picked up Sasha. Just another guy who wants to shoot every time he touches the ball.
by Throw up the Dub on Nov 10, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And there's no way LA gives up a big without getting one back, and the salaries don't work if we include Wright
Look, people, it’s not that hard of a concept. We’d all like to make love with Adriana Lima, but it’s a two way street. Get it?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be mad too
but because he’s allegedly dating Maria Sharapova.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 11, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jack, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum
good god thats huge. Scary
by tafkasam on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially scary since Odom is on the bench.
Personally I’d run
Jack
Kobe
Odom
Gasol
Bynum
You could replace Ron Artest with Ron Howard, Ron Reagan, or Ron Jeremy, and still win it all rather easily…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 11, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you want to get knit picky Odom at 3 makes them very narrow
no spacing. But like it’d matter…. roll out vujacic @3. no one will guard him
by tafkasam on Nov 11, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have I actually identified a viable trade destination?
Or do Phil & Jerry think they don’t need to improve because they won a championship? Jax’s contract is two years longer than Vujacic’s, but he’s better than Vujacic, and they get Wright for nothing too. Are they worried about his injury history?
Would the Warriors FO hold this up because it leaves them even thinner down low? It’s not like that’ll effect this season.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be one way to counteract the newfound edgyness of Kevin Garnett
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Teams rarely trade for guys that are hurt.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 11, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Raptors one
You get a young stud in Amir Johnson and Nestorovich gives us a great defender and some to soak up minutes with a lot of experience
This trade would really help with our troubles down low
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by Mike Fox on Nov 10, 2009 4:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Toronto hangs up in 30 seconds
Only because they start laughing so hard once the offer is on the table that the drop the phone and have to pick it back up.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as
he has killed the Dubs with the 3s, i think we should get Stojakovic. He doesn’t have to be the star, is a good role player, and can consistently make the 3
by the bay area on Nov 10, 2009 9:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Morrow and Buike are both top 5 in that category
Were good on shooters.
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by dubzfan on Nov 10, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if he was expiring i'd say yeah
but we’re stuck with him for 2 years. Have you seen peja recently? I used to love him, but he is REALLY hobbling. guy’s career has been killed with injuries.
by tafkasam on Nov 11, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what about portland?
outlaw and someone for jax?
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
by CroRupt on Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw is way to valuable for us to get him with just Jack.
It might take Turiaf for them to listen, but then of course we wouldn’t do that.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 11, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cannnnnnn
We Trade Maggette & Jax along with Law or George for Peja & Hilton Armstrong.I see it being very beneficial for both teams.
+ For the NO- Hornets have the exact opposite problem that we have, too many bigs and not enough guards who can score. By getting ride of a useless Peja, CP3 actually gets a player who can shoot from the outside and another scoring option. Seriously, Devin Brown starting at SG is pretty terrible statement. Stephen Jackson is happy again and he knows CP3 runs the ship so he’ll go back to Happy Jack with Baron days. Maggs could start or come off the bench for Posey/Julian Wright. Plus Byron Scott looks like a no nonsense coach who wouldn’t mind telling Jack to shut up and do what he is told. Jax/Maggs——————→ Brown/Peja
+ For GSW- They shed contracts of two people, and free up the hostile enviroment that Jack has brought to the W’s the past few months. W’s also get a big body, one who we need “by any means”. Seriously, Mikki Moore starting for ANY reason is a pretty terrible statement. With the freed up cap space, we might be able to actually use it on a player we could use… I was thinking of a big who won’t get hurt and can shoot a little bit outside of the painted area. Armstrong—————> Moore (- Jax + Maggs Contract)
I would say the only thing about this trade is that it ties NO’s possibilty of a FA pickup, but they don’t have any money to offer with money spent to CP3, Okafor, Posey, & West. If they’re going to be locked up, why not have a team that can win and will keep CP3 in town? Likeliness?
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by The Dedication on Nov 11, 2009 11:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
YES
I would rank this trade up there with getting Baron for Clax and Dale Davis. Obviously the players we’re getting don’t at all equal in talent, but getting rid of our two worst contracts for a big we could really use and a large contract that expires after next year would be a great move for this team. We could use that money to nap Pau, Melo, Horford, Butler, Jeff Green or even Durant (very unlikely). Obviously most of those players are stretches, but the point is that by the beginning of 2011 we can finally start over post-Jax, Nellie, and hopefully Cohen and have some solid peaces.
by Pino on Nov 12, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus Byron Scott looks like a no nonsense coach who wouldn’t mind telling Jack to shut up and do what he is told.
Byron Scott just got fired. : \
I do like the trade though.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 12, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Camby one
Big who can block a ton and fits a need for the Clips. Jax> Thorton and Rasual. Plus Jax gets reunited with Dizzle.
by Pino on Nov 12, 2009 12:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if this trade would go through, but I like it
Are Marvin Williams and S-Jax a match or do things get messy because Williams has a Base Year Compensation deal? If Williams BYC contract structure doesn’t mess things up, I think this would be a great deal for both teams. Williams is really struggling to fit into the rotation in Atlanta right now, but has otherwise in his young career shown flashes of being a rotation player with potential to aim even higher given his talent. Another reason I would love to get Williams back for Jax is that Williams would give us more size and rebounding without sacrificing athleticism and versatility at the 3 and even the 4 in a Nellie lineup. Furthermore, Williams has greatly increased his range as a shooter posting 3 FG% of .355 last season. Marvin is 23 years old and already has great playoff experience. I could see him really developing further as long as he gets a more consistent PT like he could in The City. Wouldn’t Atlanta love Jax? For a team knocking on the door of breaking through in the playoffs wouldn’t a veteran presence like Jax give them some of the savvy they need to breakthrough? Not sure what ya’ll think but I like this one. Bring Marvin to the Bay!
by WarriorWay86 on Nov 12, 2009 10:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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