MT2 Reports: Nellie and Monta clash
by mcwalter44 on Nov 12, 2009 1:30 PM PST
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Marcus Thompson and Tim Kawakami have reports up that Nellie and Monta got in a verb spat at practice in NYC today.
ELLIS: "Coach. Why do I get blamed for everything?"
NELSON: "What have I ever blamed you for?"ELLIS: "For everything. For everything. For people not knowing the plays. I didn’t do this. I didn’t that."
Nelson waved both hands at Ellis, as if to brush him off, and walked off shaking his head.
Ellis: "See. That’s why I won’t do it. I just won’t do it."
It looks like the Warriors have gone from suck to blow.
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Nelson's got to go before he blows the team up AGAIN!
by duballers23 on Nov 12, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The team needs to be blown up regardless. Jackson & Ellis probably need to go as well.
Maybe the Jazz will give us the NYKs unprotected 1st round draft pick if the Warriors trade Ellis for Kirilenko. They save over $12 million (b/c of Luxury Tax) and get a NBA proven young SG to pair with Deron Williams for the next 5 years. Warriors have more chances at Wall or Favors.
Hopefully, Cohan sells (getting rid of Nelson & Rowell).
there are enough suggestions on Jackson.
by homer simpson on Nov 12, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blow
the team up!
Trade Maggette and Jax to NO for Hilton Armstrong & Peja.
Trade Monta & Speedy Claxton to IND for Travis Diener, TJ Ford, and Jeff Foster.
Trade Beans’ injury prone self to Pistons with Brandan Wright & Acie Law for Tayshaun Prince & Kwame Brown & a first round unprotected.
Start the rebuilding process the right way. At least now we know that we will suck but people will know there roles. Starters Curry, Morrow, Buike, Randolph, Foster/Brown. Backups are TJ Ford, CJ Watson, Peja, Turiaf, Armstrong, & Foster/Brown.
Come Summer 2010, Brown, Armstrong, TJ Ford, Mikki Moore, Diener, & C.J. contract are up. We loosen the knot we put ourselves in with those big contracts, and we now have the money to give two max contracts! Not to mention, we still have a high Lottery pick, no drama, and no Nelson O the possibilites
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by The Dedication on Nov 12, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Biedrins injury prone???
He’s missed like 43 games in the past 5 seasons. I wouldn’t say that he’s an ironman or anything, but he’s far from injury prone. You want injury prone, see Bynum, Andrew who in that same span has missed 115 games.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Nov 12, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like this was a surprise
Kawakami has been saying all along that ME was not happy here.
This team needs to be blown up ASAP. Jax is already gone, there’s no recovery for that situation. The Ellis situation may be salvageable if Nelson is fired, but that too might not be enough.
Cohan needs to sell the team and let an owner with some balls take charge. Nelson needs to go, Jax needs to go, Rowell needs to go, and maybe we can start fresh with Ellis, Curry, and Randolph as the centerpieces. Unfortunately, as long as Cohan still owns the team, there’s no way he’s firing anyone since the last thing he wants to do is lose more money while he’s trying to unload the team.
The W’s right now are a big pile of dysfunction and there’s no hope in sight. The only way around this is to blow it up and start from scratch.
by barrance on Nov 12, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To waive his hands at Ellis as if to brush him off is pretty disrespectful. Nelson really strikes me as a guy “in my day…” who fails to see players as assets. He shouldn’t have to kiss their butts, but being dismissive is no way to treat modern athletes in an era where they’re coddled everywhere else.
I wonder how many more players he’s going to alienate before the team realizes that this is a problem.
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by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can we just fire Nellie already?
I don’t understand management’s dilemma over this one. The players aren’t responding to the coach and you can’t fire all the players. Can we follow the Hornets on this one?
by dong4ce on Nov 12, 2009 2:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you and Goofus......
Blame will obviously come and go for any team leader. Thats when a players leadership will be questioned.
For Nellie to waive off an athlete is very unnecessary. He could’ve handled the situation better.
Nellie has to much confidence in his players which is what may lead them to believe, they can do whatever they want.
I would like to see a different coach here that can put the players in there places but can also connect with them on a personal and professional level.
Maybe Avery Johnson…….
by Richboievans on Nov 12, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Avery Johnson…….
Didn’t he not get along wit J Kidd, J Howard, Dirk, and Damp? He doesn’t seem like to be the solution. JEFF VAN GUNDY OR BUST! Maybe he can institute some defense onto our team…
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Nov 12, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, Avery loved Dampier. You’re thinking of Devin Harris – who he almost ruined.
by homer simpson on Nov 12, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now if we could only get Atma to see it that way.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 12, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
things are just crazy now
there is no way out of this situation. everything just needs to be blown up and start all over. will it happen though? probably not.
im at the point now where i dont care about equal trades. its time to cut bait on jax, monta, maggs. its unfortunate that cohan doesnt have the sack to let nellie and rowell go. he is just gonna sit back and watch his ship sink. all we can do is count the air bubbles that rise to the surface. this sucks.
be the change you wish to see in the world.
by Rach on Nov 12, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I gotta side 100% with Monta on this one. Monta is juggling a lot of balls right now: he’s trying to improve his defense, trying to learn a new position, trying to get his shot back. It doesn’t make sense to pressure him to make sure all the other young guys on the same page when he’s just been introduced to the page himself. You get the sense that Nellie is pushing Monta to teach the younger guys so he won’t have to.
At some point, you’ve gotta ask: what, exactly, is Nellie contributing right now? He’s not employing any sophisticated offensive strategy… other than a few planned cuts to the hoop here and there, he’s doing the same laissez-faire offensive coaching he did in the Baron days, and we don’t have the dynamic offensive performer you need to make that strategy work.
Defense? It’s horrible, and apparently Keith Smart’s in charge of that anyway.
Are the young players learning anything? Morrow’s defense seems to have regressed… Azubuike’s being more aggressive but not playing any differently… Randolph forgot everything he’d learned last year, which may not be Nellie’s fault, but isn’t exactly a credit to his guidance, either. When the young players screw something up, instead of correcting it, Nellie seems to look to somebody else to correct it for him.
Smallball? Nellie employs a lot of it (remember, Maggette was our starting four when Biedrins, Turiaf, Randolph and Mikki were all healthy), but every team knows how to do that now. If anything, Nellie’s less skilled at using smallball than most other coaches, because he’s unwilling to change things when it’s not working.
Nellie’s not addressing the team during timeouts anymore… Smart does that, too. We’re not even shooting free throws competently. Other than constantly changing the starting lineup and alienating players, what is Nellie doing, exactly?
It’s important to distinguish between who Nellie is and what he’s doing. He is a genuine basketball genius and a guy who’s closing in on the all-time wins record (and a charming fella, to boot). But he’s not doing any of the things that made him great. In fact, he’s not doing much of anything. He has become a path-of-least-resistance coach, a guy who collects a paycheck and makes a half-hearted effort to keep up appearances. He’s not trying to make this team better. From all evidence, he’s trying to think about this team as little as possible.
This has become a bad joke. It’s time for Keith Smart, or Byron Scott, or Avery Johnson, or Garry St. Jean, or Bob Lanier, or hell, any human being that will work hard and be fair and consistent. If Nellie’s not going to perform the duties of a head coach, he shouldn’t be a head coach. Fire the guy.
by onlxn on Nov 12, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Other than that, everything’s great.
:-)
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by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t side 100% with Monta. Monta sounds irrational to me. While just waving his hands and blowing Monta’s tantrum off is not the best way to maintain good coach-player relations, Monta was still being childish. I think Monta is an overgrown child, in many ways, more than Jack.
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by Naticus2 on Nov 12, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
well to be fair
We all new Nellie would quit, we just didn’t know it’d be this soon.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 12, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Occasionally, the Warriors have moments that make you think they are bonding as a team. Before the game on Tuesday, Maggette bought P.F. Chang’s for all of his teammates because there was no pre-game meal.
Corey Maggette.. Nice guy!
by tafkasam on Nov 12, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
True Story: Maggs drew a foul as he was bumped by a waiter while picking up food at P.F. Changs.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Nov 12, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
OH NO
I work there and believe me you don’t want to eat that food before any kind of running! Unless of course you’re running to the bathroom.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 12, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he seems to have some chemistry with the young guys
by mosdl on Nov 12, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
does he want the coach's job?
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Standing on the moon
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Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 12, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maggette didn't mean to buy dinner for everyone
They set the check down in front of him and he had no idea how to pass it someone else
/rimshot
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by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
+1
LOL!
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by JustSomeName on Nov 12, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, the only assist I've ever seen Corey Maggette make...
but seriously, of course he is buying P.F Chang’s for the team. The guy is making $50 Million dollars for being a complete black hole! He knows how overpaid he is and if he didn’t buy P.F Chang’s there would be a mutiny.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Nov 12, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m starting to think Maggs would be a good captain. He does seem like a nice guy.
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by Naticus2 on Nov 12, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really have tried to come around on Nelson, cause I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors and I figured that maybe he was doing the best he could in a bad situation. But this type of incident clarifies that this is not the right team for Nelson. Nelson doesn’t want to teach, Nelson wants a team that is ready to go. To blame Monta for people not knowing the plays? That just sounds like he is delegating his responsibilities to someone who is supposed to just accept it. But to be honest, if I had a coach who wasn’t working hard while that coach was expecting me to work hard (or in Monta’s case, harder than anyone else presumably), unless my team was getting results and winning how could I not say anything?
Not only does it look like the players will soon tune Nelson out, but amazingly it looks like they should tune Nelson out. If he’s too old for this, that’s fine, go do something you are able to handle. But if you are getting paid to be a coach…then coach.
by belilaugh on Nov 12, 2009 3:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They all share the blame
But Nellie needs to go. Buy him out/whatever and let Smart coach and see what happens. Can’t be worse
by mosdl on Nov 12, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus the fact that he's making $12M dollars over the next two years.
His effort on that contract should be reason enough to fire him. Too bad Cohan and Rowell are idiots. They’d probably get rid of Monta before Nellie, which to me is ABSURD.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 12, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let me guess… never played organized basketball before?
it’s the PG’s job to get everyone in the right position and direct traffic on offense. that is on Monta. yeah Nelson should be fired, but Monta is not 100% “innocent” here.
by homer simpson on Nov 12, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it’s the point guard’s responsibilty to direct traffic. But isn’t it at least worth mentioning that our last game was the first in which Monta was our starting point guard, instead of our starting shooting guard? It’s not like Monta’s been entrenched in the position and just failing to keep guys on board. His job is in flux right now.
We’re never really going to know how justified or unjustified Nellie was in calling Monta out on other guys not knowing the plays. It’s possible that Monta’d been doing a brilliant job and the guys just forgot and Nellie was out of line. It’s also possible that Monta dropped the ball on that and Nellie was 100% to chew him out. But one thing that seems pretty clear is that Nellie has been twisting this young roster every which way, changing the starting lineup every night and asking literally half the roster to play new positions for stretches. Monta may not be “innocent”, but he’s not exactly operating in an environment that has clear rules and assignments. If Nellie wants young guys to know what they’re doing, he probably shouldn’t ask them to do different things every night.
by onlxn on Nov 12, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Starting PG title or not, Monta has been running the PG spot in some form since the preseason. From what I can gather based on the sets, he’s been playing there more than Curry (the Rockets game is the only game where Curry was the PG over 50% of the time). It’s been Monta, Curry and some Jackson (as the Point Forward).
I don’t think Nellie was 100% either. It’s never black & white. It’s always gray. The truth is they’re likely both to blame and picking sides in something where both are at fault is probably not smart. Guaranteed Cohan/Rowell will pick a side. Should fire the coach, but that’ll probably leave us stuck with Monta as the franchise player leading us to 30 some wins for the next 8-10 seasons. Dumping Monta turns them from a 20-29 win team into an under 20 win team for the next few years & Nelson will handle that about as well as Jackson handles being on a losing team.
But one thing that seems pretty clear is that Nellie has been twisting this young roster every which way, changing the starting lineup every night and asking literally half the roster to play new positions for stretches. If Nellie wants young guys to know what they’re doing, he probably shouldn’t ask them to do different things every night.
I really think this stuff gets overstated by the fans & media. Kind of like how the whole Crabtree situation was overblown by the media & fans….. Playing basketball is playing basketball. Some nights you’re matched up against a Bargnani and some night you’re matched against a Howard. Doing different things every night is just a given. Your assignments are going to be different every night based on your opponent and the coverages you have to employ to slow down their best players.
This team has more of a problem accepting their roles. Outside of role players like Curry accepting his role as a facilitator, Morrow as a shooter, AB/Turiaf as defenders/rebounders – the main guys don’t accept their roles. Jack & Monta don’t want to facilitate, they want to score. AR doesn’t want to just rebound and play defense, he thinks he’s a go to guy offensively.
That’s Nelson’s failure as a coach – as Phil Jackson said last night, coaching is 90%(? i forget the exact #) managing people and very little X’s & O’s which Jackson is below par at. It’s all about getting your main guys to buy in, everyone else will follow. It’s not like Bynum & Phil get along, but Bynum can’t say ish b/c #1 they’re winning and #2 the vet leaders like Kobe & Fisher support the coach. That’s Byron Scott’s failure. That’s Avery’s failure. That was Detroit’s coach last season (Michael Curry?)’s failure.
by homer simpson on Nov 13, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Nellie was 100% either. It’s never black & white. It’s always gray. The truth is they’re likely both to blame and picking sides in something where both are at fault is probably not smart.
Totally agree. I’m in a pretty violently anti-Nellie mood, so I’ll admit to having some bias.
Should fire the coach, but that’ll probably leave us stuck with Monta as the franchise player leading us to 30 some wins for the next 8-10 seasons.
Could be. However:
1) It’s not impossible that we could find a good coach to take over. I’d think it’s fairly unlikely in midseason, but next summer? Not impossible. I doubt any big names would come here due to the drama, but some savvy assistant looking for his first job could make a dent here. The last fifteen years have made us all so gun-shy that we worry that Nellie’s departure would lead to a replay of the St. Jean days. But the truth is, there are a number of people out there who would make good head coaches, and it’s not impossible that Cohan and Rowell would actually hire one of them. Eric Musselman was an outside-the-box choice, after all, and he did some good things here.
2) It’s not like we can’t get rid of Nellie and Monta, if that’s what’s best. We should fire Nellie because he’s doing a terrible job, but that doesn’t mean we have to live and die with Monta for the next decade. If Monta’s still not leading us anywhere in Nellie’s absence, we can trade him.
Doing different things every night is just a given. Your assignments are going to be different every night based on your opponent and the coverages you have to employ to slow down their best players.
All true. And I don’t think it’s a bad thing, in and of itself, that Nellie asks his players to take a wide variety of assignments. But if you’re going to do that, you need to be pretty energetic about teaching them the responsibilities of each role. I don’t get the sense that’s happening here… you see lots of basic mistakes and lots of guys with confused looks, far more than you see even on other young teams. And while some of that’s certainly on the players, I just don’t get the sense that this is a stubborn or lazy group of guys. Guys like Curry and Morrow and Azubuike and Monta seem like they really want to learn. I don’t get the sense they’re being taught very often.
This team has more of a problem accepting their roles. Outside of role players like Curry accepting his role as a facilitator, Morrow as a shooter, AB/Turiaf as defenders/rebounders – the main guys don’t accept their roles. Jack & Monta don’t want to facilitate, they want to score. AR doesn’t want to just rebound and play defense, he thinks he’s a go to guy offensively.
I agree with all of those descriptions except Monta’s. I think Monta is embracing the point guard role as best he can… he’s passing a lot, working hard, trying to direct traffic on offense. He shoots a lot for a point guard, but shooting a lot really is what Monta’s good at, historically… he’s not a Jack, who hurts you with tons of bricks. Nellie is asking Monta to be both a point guard and Monta Ellis. That’s a hard task, and maybe even an impossible one… Monta may just not have the instincts and skills to pull it off. But he seems to be making a good-faith effort at it to me.
That’s Nelson’s failure as a coach – as Phil Jackson said last night, coaching is 90%(? i forget the exact #) managing people and very little X’s & O’s which Jackson is below par at. It’s all about getting your main guys to buy in, everyone else will follow. It’s not like Bynum & Phil get along, but Bynum can’t say ish b/c #1 they’re winning and #2 the vet leaders like Kobe & Fisher support the coach. That’s Byron Scott’s failure. That’s Avery’s failure. That was Detroit’s coach last season (Michael Curry?)’s failure.
I do think that’s a big part of what’s going on here. But I also think that Nellie’s personal radar isn’t perfectly calibrated… I don’t think the team structure he’s envisioning would work even if the team did buy in. Nellie wants Monta to be a point guard… it’s not clear that Monta can do that well. Nellie wants Jack to be one of our main scorers… Jack’s on board with that, but it’s very clear that he can’t do that well. Nellie wants Randolph to play the five… I don’t know that he’s wrong about that, but it will mean that two of our best players are never on the court together, once Biedrins is healthy. Nellie wants Corey Maggette to be a power forward, and Corey Maggette just ain’t.
Nellie’s failure is not simply to get the team to buy into his vision. His failure is also to have a workable vision. He is trying to force this roster into being the ‘07-’08 team, and it’s just not going to happen… Monta Ellis isn’t Baron Davis, Anthony Morrow isn’t Monta Ellis, Corey Maggette isn’t Al Harrington (Corey’s a better player than Al, but a worse small forward). Nellie is trying to execute something that won’t work, and he’s not even trying very hard. It’s a pretty ugly sight.
by onlxn on Nov 13, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(Whoops — Corey’s a better player than Al, but a worse power forward. I be dumb.)
by onlxn on Nov 13, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Musselman was an outside-the-box choice, after all, and he did some good things here.
So let’s bring him back and try again?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 13, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Option 2
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by ejdacanay on Nov 12, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Totally disfunctional.....
Monte does not want to play for the Ws i saw this coming with the whole moped incident! I’ve had it with the Ws. Im seriously starting to be a Kings fan, they seem like they are heading in the right direction and have the chemistry.
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by slamson on Nov 12, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they seem like they are heading in the right direction and have the chemistry.
and they can use the fans, their place is half empty.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 12, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i saw this coming with the whole moped incident!
Wait a sec… you saw the moped incident coming before it happened???? WTF, way didn’t you stop it. For god’s sake you could have saved us an entire year of grief.
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by mcwalter44 on Nov 12, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to give the complete information
Here’s the part not covered by MT or TK
Apparently, that’s how the latest episode of dysfunction started. Ellis had his ankles taped at the practice facility instead of the hotel, causing the team to start shooting before he was ready to take the court.
According to a Warriors player, Nelson reprimanded Ellis in front of his teammates. The player said Ellis wasn’t the only one who wasn’t quite ready when practice was scheduled to begin at noon, but the guard still took the brunt of Nelson’s wrath.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 12, 2009 3:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Or more accurately,
take things seriously and BE READY ON TIME, especially if you are a team leader. Monta as a leader must demonstrate higher standards, stronger discipline, and take personal responsibility for his mistakes, because his mistakes can be magnified by setting the wrong tone for his teammates. Then the dominoes REALLY start to fall.
If you’re in a supervisor role with employees below you and a manager above you, when the manager sets a meeting for 10 am, you better be there at 10am with your notes and laptop and whatever else ready and show your employees that you’re ready to work, and you better make sure you enforce that on your employees. This is especially important when the manager is trying to build a system for everyone to follow. Once everyone gets the system and knows their roles and is clicking, then you can relax a little.
The problem is that Monta doesn’t recognize this and thinks that he’s being overly blamed and picked on. But in reality, that is his responsbility in the leadership role.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 12, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re in a supervisor role with employees below you and a manager above you, when the manager sets a meeting for 10 am, you better be there at 10am with your notes and laptop and whatever else ready and show your employees that you’re ready to work, and you better make sure you enforce that on your employees. This is especially important when the manager is trying to build a system for everyone to follow. Once everyone gets the system and knows their roles and is clicking, then you can relax a little.
What if the manager above you isn’t working hard himself? Abdicating responsibilities, treating other employees inconsistently, and actually wandering out during the very meeting you got chewed out for delaying? What if sales are down because you need another burly employee to carry stuff in the stockhouse, and this manager hasn’t bothered to hire one? Don’t you think you’d have a little more trouble motivating?
I’m not really making excuses for Monta… it sounds like he made a mistake, however small. But it’s a fool’s errand to expect a greater level of professionalism from your employees than you display yourself. Nellie is a palpably lazy coach right now, and the failure to demonstrate higher standards is his, not Monta’s.
by onlxn on Nov 12, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You guys can go back and forth like that...
Till you get to Cohan.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 12, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, if the manager above me isn’t working hard, is being lazy, whatever, then yes, I would agree that the fault is on Nellie. If Nellie himself was late for practice, didn’t have his notes and plays ready for the practice day, etc, then yes, I have no problems saying that Nellie was at fault here for setting a bad example himself and being a hypocrite.
But without being at practice, I can only guess – based on what I can figure of Nellie – that he is on time and ready to go, and that he does takes practices and preparation seriously, and that he expects the same out of everyone else.
By the way, Nellie didn’t wander out of the meeting that Monta got reprimanded at. The yelling between Nellie and Monta happened after practice, when everyone was waiting for the bus.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 12, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MT2:
Practice ended and players were winding down. Some were shooting. Some were talking. Ellis, Jackson and guard Acie Law were sitting on a bench taking off their hoop shoes, etc. Then Nelson, who had left practice and came back, casually walked by the bench.
Rusty:
Warriors coach Don Nelson stormed out and a red-faced, frustrated Monta Ellis couldn’t be consoled by teammates. So ended Thursday’s practice in New York City.
As the players cooled down from a practice at the Reebok Sports Club and prepared for the bus ride to the London hotel, Ellis called Nelson over to the bench.
To me, Marcus makes it pretty clear that Nellie had left practice at some point. Rusty’s account doesn’t mention that, but doesn’t contradict it, either.
More generally, you are suggesting that we can’t know what’s going on, but the safe assumption is that Nellie is being energetic and professional. I do not see that as a safe assumption, to say the least. Nellie’s current lack of work ethic is a running joke among NBA reporters and insiders… rumors were going through the league that he was playing Frisbee with his dog on the roof of the building during practice. That rumor’s surely not true, and maybe the whole thing is overblown. But I see no reason why we should just assume, a priori, that Nellie’s working hard. He’s not doing a lot of things that other coaches do, and the team is playing terribly and sloppily. Hell, I don’t see why Nellie deserves more of a benefit of the doubt than Monta… we can see that Monta’s working hard during games at least, while Nellie’s not even bothering to draw up plays during timeouts.
If you want to argue that Nellie isn’t mailing it in, fine. But to me, “he’s Don Nelson, I don’t think he’d do that” is not a credible excuse.
by onlxn on Nov 12, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(Screwup alert: I ended the Rusty quote too early: the next line’s part of it too.)
by onlxn on Nov 12, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I have no idea why I keep trying to defend Nellie
I haven’t seen Nellie not drawing up plays, so I can’t judge that. I guess every time I listen to him in a post game interview or a radio show, he sounds intelligent and he sounds like he knows what’s going on. So certainly he can’t be ignorant, not like Sun’s coach Terry Porter’s “I didn’t know Azubuike can hit those 3s”. It’s just hard for me to imagine Nellie always thinking and yet be lazy. Somehow, that just doesn’t feel right to me.
I heard in this week’s Nellie show that he’s been trying to involve the coaching staff more, that he’d like to see them all get head coach jobs in the league eventually. So perhaps Nellie’s been delegating job duties more, so he gets to walk away from a practice or not draw up a play during a timeout or things like that. That’s just a guess.
By the way, this could all be a lot smaller than we think, because although Rusty says…
Warriors coach Don Nelson stormed out and a red-faced, frustrated Monta Ellis couldn’t be consoled by teammates.
MT says in this afternoon’s article…
It was a relatively minor tiff, but an exchange between Warriors guard Monta Ellis and coach Don Nelson after practice Thursday epitomizes the lack of chemistry that is plaguing Golden State.
It’s too bad no one has a video of it. Then we can judge for ourselves how big this really is.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 12, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
z
I haven’t seen Nellie not drawing up plays, so I can’t judge that. I guess every time I listen to him in a post game interview or a radio show, he sounds intelligent and he sounds like he knows what’s going on. So certainly he can’t be ignorant, not like Sun’s coach Terry Porter’s "I didn’t know Azubuike can hit those 3s". It’s just hard for me to imagine Nellie always thinking and yet be lazy. Somehow, that just doesn’t feel right to me.
Nellie’s an extremely intelligent guy, and it’s hard not to feel reassured when you hear him interviewed… he knows what to say, and he knows what’s happening. But the things he says don’t manifest themselves in his coaching. Early last season, he said in an interview, “The trouble with smallball is that our little guys aren’t as good as the other teams’ little guys.” Around the same time, he said, “This Brandan Wright’s pretty good… I think it’s time we started giving him more minutes.” Both true! He then used smallball for two more months and left Wright on the bench, despite the fact that smallball continued to play fail and Wright continued to play well whenever given the chance.
I heard in this week’s Nellie show that he’s been trying to involve the coaching staff more, that he’d like to see them all get head coach jobs in the league eventually. So perhaps Nellie’s been delegating job duties more, so he gets to walk away from a practice or not draw up a play during a timeout or things like that.
All of which I’d be fine with if the team was still functioning properly. It isn’t, and that should be Nellie’s priority. He’s paid to help the Warriors win, not to help Keith Smart’s future career.
Look, Nellie said it flat out in his last interview with Ralph and Tom: he wishes he had a really good team to coach. He’s old and he’s been around forever… he’s just not in the mood to help a mediocre young team get better. And on some level, it’s easy to sympathize with that. But if he really feels that way, the professional thing to do is to resign, not tune out and try to delegate every responsibility he’s been given.
By the way, this could all be a lot smaller than we think
Could well be. I’m not so much worried about the incident as I am about the underlying dynamics. Even if Monta takes it on the chin and is a better citizen from here on in, we still have an unprofessionally lazy coach, and the players realize that.
by onlxn on Nov 12, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nellie can still understand what is going on, but his effort and interest level have fallen off a cliff. Have you ever thought that instead of Nellie wanting to get his assistants head coaching jobs; maybe he was just too damn apathetic to put his complete effort in? When have you ever heard Nellie as being a benevolent giver anyway? He seems more duplicitous to me than anything else.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
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by kenntoe on Nov 12, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the failure to demonstrate higher standards is his, not Monta’s.
Of course it’s Monta’s. He agreed to be team captain. let him act like it. Nellie needs to step up as well, but you can’t put all the blame on him. Monta needs to do his part and not be a big baby, like he was.
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by Naticus2 on Nov 12, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure. I don’t think Monta’s a consummate leader or anything… he’s probably still got some growing up to do. He may never be a good leader. But which is more troubling, our 24-year-old captain having a tantrum in the middle of a circus, or our 70-year-old legendary coach doing such a shoddy job that our team has turned into a circus? And how mad are we going to get at Monta for being a flawed leader when the people whose example he has to follow are Don Nelson’s and Stephen Jackson’s?
by onlxn on Nov 12, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not really making excuses for Monta… it sounds like he made a mistake, however small. But it’s a fool’s errand to expect a greater level of professionalism from your employees than you display yourself. Nellie is a palpably lazy coach right now, and the failure to demonstrate higher standards is his, not Monta’s.
Agreed 100%. The ineffably sad thing is, you could have written almost the same thing 15 years ago, replacing “Monta” with “Webber.” Indeed, Check out this eerie article from the Washington Post 15 years ago TO THE DAY:
The Washington Post | November 12, 1994 | Richard Justice
The Washington Bullets publicly confirmed their interest in Chris Webber for the first time yesterday, admitting that team officials had met with Webber and his agent, Bill Strickland, on Thursday. But Bullets General Manager John Nash strongly denied that he has had any trade discussions with the Golden State Warriors.
“I’ve been in contact with Chris Webber and Bill Strickland for about a week,” Nash said. "We understand we’re one of six teams that he’d be willing to play for. He has notified Golden State of that. But we’ve had no dialogue whatsoever with Golden State about Chris …
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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 12, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. Yeah, it’s really starting to feel like that time again. I just hope we’ve still got some good young guys left when Nellie burns things to the ground this time.
On the plus side, it’ll be interesting to see whether Atma turns on Nellie again.
by onlxn on Nov 12, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait what?
Atma turned on Nellie before? That needs to be on the front page with a big picture.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 12, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Atma has said that he hated Nellie with a passion before Nellie came back; not a rarity amongst Warrior fans, of course, but he’s been on the other end of the scale. Could it happen again? Only Atma knows…
by onlxn on Nov 12, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
irrelevant
You go thru your job as a professional and hope higher ups see the problem isn’t YOU
by tafkasam on Nov 12, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been a Nellie fan over the years
But treating players equally and fairly never has seemed to be his strong suit
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by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boooo
This is not good. not good at all.
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by RayAlmeda on Nov 12, 2009 3:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The inciting...
…incident for this little spat isn’t as concerned to me as Nelson’s reaction to it; certainly on a team that isn’t doing well, there are any number of things you could call out a player for, and any number of things maybe you should. But the stated response to Ellis’ retort- Nelson waving his hands and walking away- is precisely the sort of response that will make the situation worse.
Coaching in the NBA is a cold s- kind of business, and a lot of things that aren’t necessarily your fault can come back to bite you. It’s very common for players to begin to tune out their coach after a couple years if the coaching isn’t producing results (regardless of whether it’s the coaching or lack of effort). If the Warriors were to fire Nelson today, and hire a new voice from outside the organization (preferably either an experienced coach, or a former player) this season could honestly turn around. There’s no reason this early in the season that we couldn’t rebound from the poor start, and getting the new coach surge could be just the ticket. Part of it is luck- going on a nice little three game win streak with the new coach at the helm, for example- but with a new voice at the top, and for contrast’s sake a more hands on approach, the entire outlook the players have on this season could change.
by Zack Vank on Nov 12, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wait, isnt this supposed to Monta's team?
I dont like what Nellie reportedly did, but this is supposed to be Monta’s team now. He is the star making the big bucks, JAX is on his way out…Monta should be able to handle this kind of blame and step up.
He should be able to get the young guys in line while learning new plays because there is a coaching staff working with all these guys as well.
Monta is a BABY.
He is being paid ALL STAR money, but he wants to just be some guy that goes in and out of the game and just does his job well.
Monta has been miscast and we are going to be screwed for a long time if it continues to play out this way.
by warriorsvictim on Nov 12, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Dude is still pretty young and being asked to be a “team leader” for the first time, a role that doesn’t seem to come naturally to him. I think Nellie should understand that and appreciate what he’s asking of Ellis.
He’s lost Jax, if he loses Ellis, he has no chance of this team turning it around.
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by Goofus on Nov 12, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nellie should understand that and appreciate what he’s asking of Ellis.
More than that, Nelson needs to understand what he’s asking of Ellis and explain it to him in a manner that reflects the faith the franchise has placed in Ellis. This is Teaching 101 – you had a golden opportunity to instruct and show you actually care here, Nelson, and you missed it. You missed it badly.
by toddaverth on Nov 12, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson needs to understand what he’s asking of Ellis and explain it to him
Monta cheated through High School in college and has to be one of the dumbest people I have ever encountered…. He needs to get an Elementary school teacher make it so that he understands.
Over the years Monta has made some silly a** mistakes, but this isn’t one of them. But we cannot rely on a $11 Million dollar year player who doesn’t his job too serious. He hasn’t to grow up, and at 24 he needs to man up, grow some **** and do as he is told. Making as much as he is, why is it a problem to do the simple stuff and attempt to look excited to play every once in a while
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by The Dedication on Nov 12, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Monta should already have learned something about taking responsibility and leading a team, but the number of successful people in the world who haven’t learned it, despite the fact that it would help them immensely, is rather staggering. Even those who do understand it don’t always apply it well. That’s why Nelson also has to step up and be a good, responsible leader (ie. Teaching 101, from above.)
by toddaverth on Nov 12, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Teaching 101
only goes so far….. Now Common Sense is is a Prereq for anything else in life. It’s hard not to have common sense. When you just got your whole life paid for to play a sport, common sense should tell to be a bit cautious. If you hurt yourself and you know it is pretty bad, maybe it would make sense to tell the team the truth. I would think that they would cover it up if they deem you the Franchise Player now. If you know someone shoots better than you after a certain amount of feet, than it is common sense to give them the ball if you can. He takes very little responsibility on this team and for him to be a Captain. Him getting frustrated about not doing something that he was told to do befoe he left the Hotel is child. For him to ask why the blame is on all the time shows me he isn’t is Captain or anything close to that stature.
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by The Dedication on Nov 12, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Common sense is not that common, especially when we get emotional. You are right that Monta has made some bad decisions. This is all the more reason to help him learn how to make good decisions when you have the chance. Nelson’s been coaching basketball for longer than I have been alive; you’d think he’d pick up on such a basic principle of teaching. Then again, maybe he’s just too frustrated with certain players to do it. The Jackson situation has got to be taking an emotional toll on him whether he wants to admit it or not, and it’s not like teaching young men to be leaders is easy under any circumstances. Still, Nelson has had trouble with this before. The Golden State Warriors, where weaknesses are greater than the sum of their parts!
by toddaverth on Nov 13, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but in all fairness to Monta
he needs time to adjust and recognize that he will get harsher treatment because he’s a represents his teammates. So the real question is, will he discipline himself and take things more seriously, even the little things, or will he start whining and making noise?
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 12, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
editing failure
should be “because he represents his teammates”.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 12, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This situation helps some and hurts others...
The Winners:
Stephen Jackson
Tim Kawakami
The Losers:
Monta Ellis
Don Nelson
Robert Rowell
Chris Cohan
Us
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 12, 2009 5:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sick of Ellis and hit pouting.
he’s a quitter and not a team player, get rid of him and Jack ASAP.
by Jagz8 on Nov 12, 2009 5:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Until there is a "MAJOR" shake up...
I got 2 words for this team (and trust me – i’m a die-hard fan) — WARRIORS SUCK!!
Cohen – sell this team already
Rowel – learn basketball operation
Nellie – stop going after your $$
Jackson – start passing like you did during the T-Wolves game – or get traded already
Ellis – stop getting more tattoo’s and complaining – your moped accident ruined your life and the life of the Warriors
Maggs – not surprised your "injured" again
Buike – your the best!!
Morrow – keep shooting
Randolph – your a stud – way to stand firm again Granger
Lets make some trades – lets fire some personnel and lets bring real NBA basketball back to the bay – its been way overdue
by Razzmataz on Nov 12, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To me...
This seems to have been coming for a long time….
Personally I think Ellis and Jackson would love to team up with Harrington again in New York… and thats what they have set their sights on..
The thing that bugs me most is his response to Nellie…now granted Nellie didnt help by waving his hands off…but we dont know the background to that….to me it sounds like a guy that just said…“Oh god not this woe is me crap again”…. but the response by Ellis is not only disrespectful..it shows what an arrogant little man he has become… He has zero respect for anyone other than himself as demonstrated by his actions both on and off the court…. If e had an issue, he should have done it in private behind closed doors.
Personally as a few may now know, I would go for the Spreewell option! ;)
Again and this is a personal opinion….I believe we have possibly one of the best shooting guards in the league and thats Mr Morrow… who also happens to play well with Curry.. with a new star piece at PF to match with Buike and Magette at SF, with Randolph learning from the star PF… and a fit Turiaf and Biedrins at centre…I like that team a lot with CJ and Law filling in the guard duties….
So maybe….we now have the option to go for a Mega-trade, with our first round option, Jackson, Ellis and maybe a Claxton and George thrown in…. to create maybe a three way trade with someone to get a truly superb PF???
Maybe….Ellis might just have done us a great favor?
I for the record want to see the back of Jackson and Ellis…. they are a cancer to this team and I dont think Ellis will ever be happy here….
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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 12, 2009 5:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If he had an issue, he should have done it in private behind closed doors.
They DID do it behind closed doors, it’s just that the altercation got leaked into the media. Not only did they do it behind closed doors, but both Nellie OR Ellis declined to talk to the media. The problem lies with DON NELSON. Like somebody above posted, same story, different player, but there’s always one constant, Nellie. I’ve always been a fan of Don Nelson and backed him up throughout the Al Harrington, Jamal Crawford,and even more recently, the Anthony Randolph situations, but enough is enough. He is too old and stubborn to change his ways and is NOT a player’s coach anymore. It amost seems like he’s TRYING to get fired so that he’ll never get that all time wins record (like he was quoted in saying) and let Lenny WIlkins keep the record forever. The only thing on his mind is getting fired, moving to Maui and collecting 12 mil over the next 2 years for doing absolutely nothing. He just doesn’t care anymore. Doesn’t do anything during games, looks bored, and has pushed all the coaching duties onto Keith Smart.
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by JustSomeName on Nov 12, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok....
What I meant to say was behind closed doors, one on one, away from teammates… This actualy took place on the sidelines of the practice court..
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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 12, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also...
I dont buy that Nellie has given up…. but it is clear there is a small camp (Jackson and Ellis) that are obviously at loggerheads with the coach and now its affecting the rest of the team… getting rid of Nelson wont cure this…. getting rid of Jackson and Ellis, get a star quality PF in and see how Nelson does with that…wuld be interesing to see…if that fails….fire him…
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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 12, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also don't buy that Nellie has given up
if he has, then apathy would have set in across the coaching staff and then the players. But I saw fight in the players last night, so I don’t think Nellie has given up.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 12, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of acquisitions...
I really like the look of Horford at the moment…. he brings exactly the type of power we need right now… He destroyed David Lee the other night… when the Hawks beat NYK
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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 12, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
completely agree.
this may be a good omen or a calculated ploy by Nellie and Co. to make a big move involving Monta and Jack for a potentially good player. I think Nellie wants to win, look at his record and skill, he’s not a loser and he is a competitive guy. If a quality deal of equal value can be made than I’m all for it. This current unit is destined to fail.
by Jagz8 on Nov 12, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. If we can move Monta and Jack for something of comparable value, definitely do it. We need to get bigger anyway. We’ve got enough guards and small forwards.
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by Naticus2 on Nov 12, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
need depth in other areas. if we have to throw in a Watson, George, or even Buike then do it. i like KAz but too many of those players on the roster.
by Jagz8 on Nov 12, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Problem
is that we over value both of these players. If we want to get rid of one or two of them, than we would have to get off our high horse that we would be getting somebody like Rudy Gay or Boozer. Those wiil happen. If we want to shed these players, we will get very little in return but we gain more money to use in the future and people with positives attitude. If we could get back expirings or people with 2 years left on their contract, than that is a win imo
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by The Dedication on Nov 12, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monta and Azubuike are both probably better players than Rudy Gay. Talk about guys who are overvalued…
That said, I agree completely that we need to take whatever garbage we can get for Jackson and move forward.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 12, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy Gay
is debatable because I see him like Joe Johnson. He’s a one trick pony who doesn’t rebound as well as he should. I’ll take Gay before Buike for the simple fact that he is bigger and more of a threat on the offensive end. Yes Buike has the advantage of shooting well from the 3, but Gay could play the 2 or 3 and be a mismatch for both positions.
Monta vs. Rudy could get lengthy, so I’ll just get my main point across. We can’t over value our players because that is how they get stuck with us. People call many people on this team untouchable, which is ludicrous and if we want to sheed these Gawd awful contracts, somethings gotta give.
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by The Dedication on Nov 13, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
People callmany people
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by The Dedication on Nov 13, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Sorry don't give me a warning please?!
People call many players
It’s two here at Marquette, I’m on my way to bed now.
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by The Dedication on Nov 13, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"which is ludicrous and if we want to sheed these Gawd awful contracts"
How does one Sheed a contract? You can’t give it a technical foul, though you can probably move it onto a contender and make the contender even better.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 13, 2009 3:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone else noticed that players always turn on Nellie?
This is not on ME. Nellie has had his history of this. ME8 has not.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 12, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My view on the matter
1. Monta is a brooding malcontent, but I don’t think he’s unreasonable, per se. He’s just got an awful attitude and his body language expresses as much. Still, I’m not losing sleep over him.
2. Nelson isn’t consistent and his behavior leaves a lot to be desired, but he’s not really a pushy guy. He’s damn near 70-years-old, he’s not going to walk on egg shells and he’s not going to be a hard ass. He’s going to tell you what’s what and if you give him guff, he’ll give some back. It seems petty, but look at the personalities he has to deal with.
by Jeremy Belvins on Nov 12, 2009 6:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One question......
If he could use that kind of attitude towards Monta, why can’t he do it against Jack?
by Richboievans on Nov 12, 2009 7:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Simples...
Jack would pull a gun out!
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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 13, 2009 4:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Nellie...
bring in Avery Johnson
by rOracle408 on Nov 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
DISRESPECTFUL OVERPAID LYING SPOILED BRAT
my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"
by VonteegoCummings on Nov 12, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
yep
That just about sums him up…
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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 13, 2009 4:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of points
1) Doesn’t matter who’s right or wrong. Ellis and Jackson don’t trust Nelson’s system and coaching. One of the other would need to go. The sooner the better.
2) If Keith Smart takes over, the Warriors don’t have to shell out more money, at least for this year. He’s already being paid by the W’s.
3) Mark Spears is a reporter. Kawakami is a reporter for the National Enquirer.\
by JSML on Nov 12, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
uh... that doesn't sound like much of a tiff
People may be blowing it out of proportion.
by outqast on Nov 12, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Funny how someone says this about every new "tiff" that happens.
Does it strike you odd that things of this sort always happen to the Warriors?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 12, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could very well be. But it’s Nellie who, once again, has helped turned the team into a powder keg…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 12, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
Is Tim Kawakami involved too?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
once you sign for an amount greater than all GSOMers make in one year
YOU SIR ARE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THAT PLAYING COURT.
bastos….walang modo…sinungaling….isip bata…kupal
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by VonteegoCummings on Nov 12, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Damn that is an OLD picture
Monta before he got tatted with Dajuan Wagner. He was a beast with the cavs
by HesOnFire on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Byron Scott anyone?
Kidding, I doubt the Dubs will fire Nelly. They would pick Nelly over the entire team, including guys like Ellis and Randolph. Cohan picked Nelly over Baron Davis and Chris Mullin, I doubt he would fire him.
by DubsFan408 on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Man, that McGrady contract is looking great now...
If only we could convince the Rockets they need more wing players…
Warriors get:
Tracy McGrady
Brian Cook
Rockets get:
Monta Ellis
Speedy Claxton
James Jones
Dorell Wright
Heat get:
Stephen Jackson
Protected 1st rounder (Warriors)
The Heat give up a little bit of their expiring money for Jack and a protected pick for their troubles (They still have a ton of money in the off-season for resigning Wade / picking up a max contract). The Rockets give up a bench warming big that shoots the three and McGrady for Ellis and $12mil in expiring contracts. We give up our malcontents in a massive salary dump, while getting a little big man help, and in the best possible case, a superstar.
I still maintain that McGrady should be our #1 target. There is no downside to acquiring him… if he returns to form, he’s the superstar we need. If he doesn’t, it’s no biggie because all that money comes off the books after this season.
Also, to put perspective into how “good” our best player Monta is… he’s averaging 18 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals and 3 turnovers. When McGrady was fighting injuries last season, he still managed to average 16 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, and 2 turnovers.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 12, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GM
Jazz get:
Stephen Jackson
Kelenna Azubuike
Warriors’ 1st round pick
Bobcats get:
Monta Elliis
Warriors get:
Carlos Boozer
Boris Diaw
Warriors Lineup:
Curry
Morrow
Diaw
Boozer
Biedrins
Randolph
Wright
Turiaf
CJ Watson
Moore
Law
Speedy
George
my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"
by VonteegoCummings on Nov 12, 2009 11:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Take out the first rounder and we have a deal
GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens
by The Dedication on Nov 13, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t imagine the Jazz taking on Jackson…. Can anyone else? I feel like that organization just doesn’t deal with that type of personality… ever.
But the first rounder would be necessary for the Jazz to accept, even though I still think they don’t do it.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 13, 2009 3:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
M’gette?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 13, 2009 2:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Cohan sells the team to the Minority Owners.
Robert Rowell fires himself.
The minority owners hire Chris Mullin back.
All the Nellie lovers can move with Don Nelson and his drama to Maui. (they start new drama within themselves because Nellie provides the truth, perhaps?)
Warriors win the 2010 NBA Championship.
Warrior fans will have NOTHING to say on GSoM anymore, but at least for once in our life we will be happy.
It’s that easy, but the front office wants to make it very difficult because their lives are that boring, perhaps?
The end.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Nov 13, 2009 8:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Warriors win the 2010 NBA Championship.
Dumbest comment ever. There is nothing the Warriors could realistically do to make this happen. They could do everything else you mentioned and they’d still suck.
Look the Cavs have a horrible front office with owner Dan Gilbert, GM Danny Ferry & a clueless coach in Mike Brown who runs the simplest offensive sets in the history of the NBA, but they got lucky with Lebron. Great players
Kevin McHale was once lauded as the best GM in sports (http://www.forbes.com/2007/03/02/sports-greatest-gms-biz-cz_jg_0302gms.html) just b/c he had Kevin Garnett & 8 playoff appearances.
I want Cohan/Rowell/Nelson gone, but that is only the 1st step to recovery. The Timberwolves & Nets are closer to a championship than the Warriors b/c they are rebuilding the right way by sucking so bad until a great player comes along versus continually being (in purgatory) just outside of the playoffs, but not bad enough to get a high draft pick like the Warriors.
by the evil monkey on Nov 13, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think he was serious.
by belilaugh on Nov 13, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol. ya I was just kidding about winning a championship.
But I do want CC,RR and nellie gone.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Nov 13, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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