If Nelson was to be fired, who will replace him? *List included*
by ejdacanay on Nov 13, 2009 12:00 PM PST
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Don Nelson is one of 3 subjects going on in this Warrior wildfire. He, as head coach, is and should take blame for what appears to be an abysmal start. Him along with Jackson's controversy and the not so great return of Monta is taking the Warriors and its fans through a torrential storm. Taken from TK's blog, he believes that 1 or 2 more events will lead to the firing of Nelson, which at this point seems like a huge possiblity, especially after Cohan and company saw a West contender, the Hornets, fire Byron Scott. If Don Nelson were to leave today, TK compiled a list of who may be avaialble immediately or after the season:
TK: Van Gundy, Thibodeau, Mark Jackson, Jeff Bzdelik… Just a list. Means nothing. My list.
—LIST OF HEAD-COACHING CANDIDATES/
-Jeff Van Gundy, former Houston and NY Knicks coach, current TV analyst;
-Jeff Bzdelik, former Denver Nuggets coach, currently at Colorado;
-Tom Thibodeau, Boston Celtics assistant, defensive specialist;
-Avery Johnson, former Dallas coach, current TV analyst;
-Jim Boylen, former long-time NBA assistant, currently at University of Utah.
-Brian Shaw, assistant with Lakers, Oakland native;
-Mike Budenholzer, long-time San Antonio Spurs assistant;
-Keith Smart, Warriors’ No. 1 assistant;
-Mark Jackson, long-time NBA player, currently TV analyst;
-Maurice Cheeks, former Portland and Philadelphia coach, currently assistant in Oklahoma City;
-Doug Collins, former coach for multiple teams, currently TV analyst;
-Dwane Casey, former Minnesota coach, currently assistant in Dallas;
-Byron Scott, former NJ coach, just fired as New Orleans coach;
-Paul Silas, former Charlotte Hornets coach;
-Bill Laimbeer, long-time former player, WNBA coach, currently assistant in Minnesota;
-Mario Elie, long-time former player, former Warriors assistant, currently assistant in Sacramento in Dallas;
-Sam Cassel, long-time former player, currently assistant in Washington.
The real question is:
Would we be better off removing the coach who taught a very different scheme to our players and moving to a slower paced, half-court style be beneficial opposed to keeping Nelson?
If we were to cut Nelson before Midseason, we'd have to promote Keith Smart to Head Coach. Changing offensive and *cough* defensive philosophies in the middle of the season would be a drastic change and would not fit well with a team designed for a very high uptempo team.
But after the season ends or if we decide to go somewhere other than Smart, who would it be? Would JVG or Avery even consider coming back? Or do we have to look for a coach without full Head Coach experience?
Realistically, we're looking at Nelson or Smart being the coaches for the meantime. And aside from obvious choices in JVG, Avery, Laimbeer, Cheeks, and even Scott we may have to look at the assistant coach market. But if it is time, I hope we go for:
(1) Thibodeau - Defense, Defense, Defense. Maybe he can teach these kids how to rebound too. He has a very impressive resume dating back to the then Expansion team T'Wolves as an assistant coach, time under Lucas in the early 90's, later joined JVG in the late 90's, and finally bolstered the Celtic defense to help em win a championship. Tom might jump at an opportunity at a head coach position and if does I hope we shoot for him.
(2) Shaw - So what, he has Laker cooties, so did Ronny. Brian Shaw is a champion. Gold Medalist and Rings as a player and coach. If this guy knows anything, its winning, plain and simple. Four Years under the Zen Master who with Red are the best two coaches in NBA History isn't that bad either. Luring Shaw away from a Pacific rival could perhaps help us find a way to beat LA, similar to what Nelly did to Dallas. Far fetched? Not really, Shaw is an OAKLAND native, back when we hosted the All-Star game, the city gave him, Kidd, and Payton keys to the City. Downside to this? A philosophy change from Small Ball to what will be an ill-equipped triangle may be difficult for the team to learn.
Personally, I hate small ball. Sacrifices Defense and Rebounding for more Offensive production and excitement for the fans. I would love any of the guys I mentioned, but pleaseeee I want to see some good ole Defense and Rebounding.
Once again its up to the Front Office.
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Fire Rowell, move Nelson to the front office in a consulting role – where his strengths are useful and his weaknesses stop hurting the team – and see what we get out of Kieth Smart.
by toddaverth on Nov 13, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a good idea.
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by Naticus2 on Nov 13, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fire nellie, let Smart coach this year and see how he does
If he fails let Shaw take over. Plus he went to my high school so seeing him coach for us would be great!
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by dubzfan on Nov 13, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
doubt Shaw wants to come here seeing as what’s going to happen to Rambis’ coaching career after taking the Twolves job. assuming he’s smart he’ll wait Phil out. if he’s not, then the Warriors just hired a dumb coach.
by the evil monkey on Nov 13, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Byron Scott
He always makes his teams great first few years than they suck after, but I am willing to take it. and Warriors need a coach with a strong presence.
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 13, 2009 12:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wtf? he didn’t make them great. whoever traded for Jason Kidd on the Nets, had Baron Davis, drafted CP3 on Hornets made them good.
by the evil monkey on Nov 13, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Byron Scott = the key to getting Chris Paul on the Warriors.
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by Yoyo on Nov 13, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you didn’t buy that PR stunt did you? did you hear what David West had to say? I believe CP3 respects Byron as much as I buy that Baron Davis respects Scott.
by the evil monkey on Nov 13, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad truth is only a coach of Keith Smart’s caliber is going to want to come here. The only way one would is if Cohan & Rowell broke the bank – which is not happening.
by the evil monkey on Nov 13, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i really don’t see many talented coaches signing on to deal with this mess of an organization.
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by cap'n hack on Nov 13, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by LostHawkGSW on Nov 13, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Avery would like to show up Nellie by getting a better record than he did here.
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by Naticus2 on Nov 13, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason people keeps saying this
Is that Avery took over for D Nel in Dallas…
I doubt this would be said half as much if that had never happened.
by freerandolph on Nov 14, 2009 1:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no telling what coaches might be available next summer… I doubt Byron Scott will be the last guy to get the axe this year.
If the front office does get the stones to fire or re-assign Nellie in midseason (something I don’t really expect), Smart’s gotta be the guy for now. Is he a good coach? Who knows? He went 9-31 as an interim coach in Cleveland seven years ago.. that’s horrible, obviously, but it was a very bad and untalented team, and his record was (very slightly) better than that of John Lucas, the coach he replaced. That record doesn’t really tell you much about him one way or the other, nor does anything he’s done as Nellie’s defensive coordinator… I think that’s too just dysfunctional of a setup to work, no matter how good or bad Smart is. In terms of ability, he’s basically an unknown.
But he knows the players, and they know him. He’s been here awhile and knows how to navigate the insanity of the front office. He’s very skilled at dealing with the media. He’s a likeable guy, a guy who’s fondly remembered in basketball history. And promoting him would show loyalty from the franchise. Normally I wouldn’t really care about these things, but this team has become such a circus that it’d be a relief to have a coach who could keep up appearances a bit. And you’re not going to find many good candidates in the middle of November, anyway, so you might as well roll the dice on the guy you’ve already got.
So yeah, Keith Smart to finish out the year, then we weigh our options next summer. If only it’d play out this way.
by onlxn on Nov 13, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought
How about we hire Mike Montgomery..HA HA
by highflya on Nov 13, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Keep Nelson for the rest of the season
This team stinks. Our two best players are pricks, our centers are injured our rising stars look like middle schoolers at this point. It ain’t Nellie.
I admit, Nellie’s quirks are more than just quirks. He’s not consistent, and I’m tired of his shenanigans. But, he’s not holding this team back. He might as well stay on for the season.
by Jeremy Belvins on Nov 13, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
sadly, Nellie isn't going anywhere
Nelson vows to stick it out with ‘difficult’ team
unless he gets fired and as long as Cohan & Rowell are around, that isn’t going to happen. The only way Nellie is going to go is if he gets the 12M he’s owed on his contract to go with him.
But for the sake of answering the question, Maurice Cheeks would be my pick. He’s smart and I think he’d be a well respected coach.
by centerre on Nov 13, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
As far as...
…the play style a new coach would bring in, my ideal would be a coach who who try to develop a playbook based on the roster as it stands. I’ve had enough of watching Nelson try to shoehorn this team into playing his style, it’s no better if Jeff Van Gundy is doing it.
by Zack Vank on Nov 13, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
(censor) Jeff Van Gundy. I will never forgive him for taking a cheap shot at the Warriors during the Christmas day game where the Warriors weren’t even playing and he clowned on us.
I mean, they can still hire him. But I’m still pissed about that.
by belilaugh on Nov 13, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lakers were playing the Celtics. During the game they were talking about the Celtics injuries, and talked about their upcoming schedule. The next game they had was the Warriors. Instead of just saying nothing and getting back to the game at hand, Van Gundy says something about how the Celtics would only need 4 players to beat the Warriors. This comes in addition to his constant putdowns of the Warriors (which I don’t mind as much when the Warriors are actually playing, but he really just went out of the way to take a shot at us on that one).
Warriors won by 10. What’s up Van Gundy? What’s up?
by belilaugh on Nov 13, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he really just went out of the way to take a shot at us on that one
he coulda said three players and had a good chance of being right
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t change the fact that it was not the time or place. You are doing a Lakers-Celtics game. Why take shots at the Warriors? We were barely even mentioned, just in passing when they were mentioning the Celtics’ schedule.
by belilaugh on Nov 14, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We all heard the news!
I’d say Jon Gruden!! Chucky!!!
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by peterramos on Nov 13, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hahah I'd love for Chucky to come back
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by ejdacanay on Nov 13, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT ABOUT?
Chuck Person?
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by mcwalter44 on Nov 13, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who will replace him?
CJ says he wants to go into coaching
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 13, 2009 3:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What the hell....
My name wasnt even in the hat?!?!
Seriously though I would love to see Thibodeau… be very interesting to see just how a proper defensive mind can change even the most stubborn non-defenders..
Maybe Keith Smart as Head coach for the offense and Thib for the Defensive? I.e. lure him away with some cash from Boston…?
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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 13, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Smart should get a chance
after all he has been an assistant for so long, and he knows our team
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by Mike Fox on Nov 13, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think we should give it to Shaw
He seems like he would utilize this teams offensive firepower the best while maintaining an average to above average defensive team like :
PPG 107
Allowed 105
Better than 111 and 115
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by montadaboss on Nov 13, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He’d have to get some good defenders here first. Right now Jackson is our only above average defender (when he cares). I wouldn’t call him a good defender though. No fans in Indiana or Atlanta or San Antonio ever did – only Warrior fans who are so used to the crap this team calls defense think Jack is a good defender. the next best is Turiaf and he’s a horrible over rotator on defense, but for some reason fans think he’s actually a good defender.
And why Shaw would want to take this job when he’s got the Lakers job lined up is beyond me.
by the evil monkey on Nov 13, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How soon we forget . . .
Could’ve sworn it was only a few seasons ago Nellie coached circles around Avery Johnson. The 67 win Mavs versus our small ball team that barely squeaked into the eight seed.
by ChronicMasticator on Nov 13, 2009 10:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or it was a match-up problem. I don’t know that Avery was outcoached. I’m 100% certain the Mavs were out Baroned.
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by Naticus2 on Nov 13, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
avery did overcoach his way right into don nelson’s hands. matchup problems helped, but avery’s idiotic decision to let the 8 seed dictate his lineup in game one certainly made things a little easier for baron and co. to walk out of dallas with that victory.
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by cap'n hack on Nov 15, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is, I’m guessing most of those coaches wouldn’t consider coming here without a butt load of money & Cohan is not shelling out a butt load of money for a coach when he’s already paying Nelson a butt load. Also, if he’s looking to sell – he won’t want to pick up a new coach for like 5 yrs b/c it makes the team harder to sell b/c new owners always want to bring in their own guys and don’t want to have to be on the hook for 5 more years w/ the previous guy’s coach.
by homer simpson on Nov 13, 2009 11:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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