Polling GSoM: What exactly won't Monta Ellis do?
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 13, 2009 1:10 PM PST
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PrintAs mcwalter44 alerted the GSoM community yesterday in MT2 Reports: Nellie and Monta clash the Dubs Drama continues.
From MT's blog:
ELLIS: "Coach. Why do I get blamed for everything?"
NELSON: "What have I ever blamed you for?"
ELLIS: "For everything. For everything. For people not knowing the plays. I didn't do this. I didn't that."
Nelson waved both hands at Ellis, as if to brush him off, and walked off shaking his head.
Ellis: "See. That's why I won't do it. I just won't do it."
Is Monta Ellis just anti-Nike? (JUST DO IT- sorry, bad joke.) What exactly won't Monta Ellis do? Make sure to rock the vote.
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A little more context from SFGate:
According to a Warriors player, Nelson reprimanded Ellis in front of his teammates. The player said Ellis wasn't the only one who wasn't quite ready when practice was scheduled to begin at noon, but the guard still took the brunt of Nelson's anger.
Basically Nellie yelled at one of the leaders of the team (both paid and marketed to have that role- which he willingly signed up for) to be more punctual and set a better example for his teammates. Nothing wrong with that, especially when the Warriors are in a terrible state of hoops disarray. This team needs order in the worst way.
A true leader, a true star, a man handed the keys to the franchise needs to be the first and last guy to practice. When the coach demands him to be that man, he needs to step up not inanely and esoterically whine about what he won't do.
Sadly after foolishly running out the likes of Jason Richardson and Baron Davis (destroying WE BELIEVE) to build around him, Monta Ellis has shown to be none of the above. Do you think Tim Duncan or even Tony Parker throws a tantrum or continually displays poor body language approaching Ellis' or makes dumb, cancerous comments or behind the scenes via his agent to the media every time Coach Greg Popovich screams at them? Don't think so.
The Warriors, mostly by the doing of Chris Mullin and Robert Rowell, have foolishly invested and built around the wrong cast of characters. It was obvious that building around a flawed and undersize 2-guard with low hoops IQ and maturity, Antoine Walker 2.0 (inefficient, empty numbers) with cancerous tendencies and a history of violence and questionable decisions, a soft and unskilled center, a one trick scoring machine, a bunch of raw talents not ready for primetime (that is, if they're ever ready for this league), and a few D-Leaguers was a unilaterally DUMB idea. Yet Mullin and Rowell proceeded to do so. Mullin was rightfully let go and the same should have happened to Rowell.
Now Larry Riley has to clean up the mess while his buddy and Hall of Fame bound head coach Don Nelson is getting unjustified censure from the local and national media and fans alike. We hear this oft-repeated mantra that Nellie is the wrong coach for this team. Well guess what? There is no right coach for this dysfunctional roster "led" by two immature malcontents. No coach can win this band of misfits. The best of coach in the history of the NBA of winning with outcasts is already here in Oakland and he can't do it.
There is no "right" head coach for a young and dumb team.
Young teams lose.
Dumb teams embarrass themselves while losing.
And by the way this has nothing to do with the Don Nelson-Chris Webber drama back in 1994. Anyone who brings that up is knowingly trying to confuse you or hasn't done their homework.
Now don't get me wrong- Chris Cohan is a complete failure as an owner of a big market NBA team and Robert Rowell is not exactly the classiest or qualified executive in the league. Does Don Nelson make some coaching moves you question? Sure. Has GM Larry Riley done all that much but unload bad contracts thus far? Not really.
But let's not excuse the continued foolishness from the Warriors "leaders" and their quack agents.
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by ejdacanay on Nov 13, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 6 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
I went with Other: he is not the most verbose person and was probably just indicating general dissatisfaction.
This is a clear case of an immature 24 year old and a hardened, crusty, 69 year old not being able to get on the proverbial “page” with one another. Monta needs to step up to the plate (as does Andris Biedrins, jeeeeez does he ever) but Nellie needs to at least attempt to have normal human interactions.
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I thought this was the Warrior/Knicks game-thread
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by gametime_gsw on Nov 13, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
haha
funny thing, it is so appropriate for this thread.
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 13, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Meh. Last lottery we should've ended up with Yao.
This draft class is one of the weakest, if not the weakest of the decade. John Wall is the only player I see that will be great. I like Ed Davis because I’m a homer and Greg Monroe, but other than that, mehhh.
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by WarriorForLife on Nov 13, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Where have you read that?
By all of what I’ve read it should be a good class. 2 top end players in Wall and Favors.
In fact Chad Ford thinks that as many as 7 freshman could be “one-and-done” prospects.
It’s insider content so I won’t quote it but here is the link if you’re an insider: Here
Here is the list:
Wall, Favors, John Henson, DeMarcus Cousins, Xavier Henry, Avery Bradley, and Jordan Hamilton.
Many guys who should/could have come out last year decided to return such as:
Willie Warren, Evan Turner (On many GSW radars around here), Greg Monroe, Al Farouq-Aminu, Solomon Alabi, Cole Aldrich, Ed Davis, Tyler Zellar, Kyle Singler, Donatas, Motiejunas, Devin Ebanks, Patrick Patterson, Craig Brackins, and Paul George.
Each of these guys have legitimate 1st round potential while I think Warren, Turner, Monroe, Aminu, Aldrich, Davis and Motiejunas have legit chances of being in the top 14.
There are a lot of other guys who could increase their stock with good/great seasons:
Kemba Walker, Tyshawn Taylor, Malcolm Lee, Gani Lawal. I know I’m forgetting some other guys.
That’s a lot of guys for 30 first round spots while also leaving out older guys like Greivis Vasquez, Andrew Ogilvy, Damion James, and Tyler Smith.
It’s still early, but no one is saying 2010 will be a weak draft.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
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i've been thinking about it since yesterday
and i think this is the answer that makes the most sense to me. Monta won’t take the blame for the mistakes of others.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 13, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
That sounds like one possible interpretation. I doubt it, myself, because the stated reason for not “doing it” is Nellie’s disrespectful response to his complaint. Prior to this particular exchange, they were having issues with Monta being late. I suspect it was something along those lines, as in, “I just won’t do everything Nellie wants all the time and on time.”
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Feeble, Atma. Not a single option, even a jokey one, for those who think Monta might not be the source of all our problems?
I’m perversely excited to see how you try to defend Nellie in the coming weeks. Your creativity will be sorely tested.
by onlxn on Nov 13, 2009 1:32 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
UH
you mean 2008-09 season not 2007 -08? we are in 2009-10 season
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by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 13, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Monta Ellis will not...
put up with any more crap from the front office. When you say that Ellis is not acting like a franchise player, it is clear he is not being treated like one either. Leaving him out to dry by threatening to void his contract FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR and constantly dangling him in potential trades, and then drafting a player at the same position with the same physical characteristics is flat out insulting. Part of me wants to see Monta be set free of this terrible organization so he can give us the same looks on our faces we had when Webber would come back and kill us in the early 2000s.
Free Captain Jack!
Threatening to void his contract for a year is a lot better than voiding the contract, which the organization had every right to do. They haven’t constantly dangled him in potential trades. When did that occur? As far as I know, never. Furthermore, if he is very insulted by the Dubs drafting Curry, he needs to just get over it. If he can’t stand a little competition, he doesn’t belong in the NBA.
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by Naticus2 on Nov 13, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
if he is very insulted by the Dubs drafting Curry, he needs to just get over it. If he can’t stand a little competition, he doesn’t belong in the NBA.
Montay’s showed he knows more about building a team that the guys who drafted curr-bury. We din’t need competition for point guard we needed to build a cohesive team. Montay and Jax seem to be the only one’s around here who understand that.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 13, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
How is he not being treated like a Franchise Player?
That is ridiculous. Are his checks bouncing? The guy needs to grow a pair. A leader doesn’t wait to be treated like a leader before they lead. They just do it. Obviously Ellis wont. This excuse could only make sense to SJax.
by FiveAlarmFreddy on Nov 13, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
…with the most out-in—the-open story on the young season about Nelson getting dissed, I rather expected the front page post would be of this tenor.
As far as the comparisons between this and the Webber situation- you’re right, they’re not altogether similar, save for one critical aspect. It’s dissimilar in that Nelson’s wrangling with Webber came at a time when the team’s fortunes seemed to be on the upswing, with a roster that looked like it could be a perennial contender. Also, Webber was ten times the player Ellis could likely ever hope to be, so the fury at watching him leave over a pissing match with the coach was even harder to swallow, and to justify.
That said, there is a critical similarity- namely, that apparently our best player (even granted he’s not a franchise player, I think you’d still likely grant he’s our most critical at present) has problems with Don Nelson, and it’s going to MURDER us. Regardless of who you view as having the moral high ground in this situation- my biases against Nelson aside, now knowing the full story I’d claim the lame is mutual- Nelson’s reaction and response to the situation as the record seems to state is a complete abdication of his duties as the coach. I reckon he knows Ellis pretty well in year four, here, and given that Ellis clearly seemed upset, the reaction of waving your hands and wandering off is simply not forgivable.
I’m sure the response will reference Ellis’ immaturity, lack of professionalism, lack of this-or-that, and I might not even argue on some of those points (though I will say that Ellis seems to be working harder than I’ve ever seen on his defense, and he deserves a ton of credit considering how little effort some of his comrades are putting in). And perhaps you could say that a man with a storied career spanning nearly 30 years shouldn’t have to put up with that sort of crap, and while I wouldn’t be as ringing a proponent, I can see the merit to that logic. But it’s important to remember that at this moment, Don Nelson basically is the Warriors. He got a nice extension last year, making his clout in the organization quite clear, and his right hand man was shuttled up to the GM’s office to start working on the roster. In short, his burden may be great, but given the power he’s been handed, his responsibilities are greater.
So whether or not he thinks to himself, “I’m not gonna take this from this little ****” when Ellis starts talking, his responsibility, the very job he’s being paid VERY handsomely to do, is to not make the situation worse. In any given interaction, he’s on our payroll to try to make us better. Not to eat money and contribute to an already corrosive atmosphere, while people on here grouse about how he doesn’t need to answer to it cause we’d likely be bad anyways. He may never have had a chance to have a winning season, but you can lose and still move forward in a positive way for the future. And based on not bothering to hash things out with your clearly disgruntled primary scorer, I daresay Don Nelson doesn’t give a rat’s about anything that happens here after he’s cooling his heels in Hawaii
by Zack Vank on Nov 13, 2009 1:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree 100% that Nellie dropped the ball. However, I think the situation can be salvaged. Monta did say something really lame, “You blame me for everything.” I can see why Nellie would throw up his hands. That said, if Nellie can’t get along with Ellis by working hard to rebuild trust, and we’re losing more games than we should, maybe it’s time for Keith Smart to take over. I’ll give it a few months, before I say that definitively, though.
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If...
…I had any faith that there was earnest communication taking place, I might agree. My concern with the report of this incident is that it sounds as if Nelson made no effort whatsoever to engage Ellis further, and Ellis’ subsequent remark does not sound like a guy who thinks it’s gonna work out.
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by Yoyo on Nov 13, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
hahahahaha
a much needed laugh in an otherwise dreary Warriors day
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 13, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
What!?
about 23% still think that Ellis would never ‘tell a lie a hurt you’
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Nov 13, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Rec! Yeah, I’m a sucker for the pie charts….
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 14, 2009 3:14 AM PST up reply actions
It just dawned on me
that we got rick rolled, pie chart style. I KNEW those choices sounded familiar!
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 14, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
I think...
…he’s highly likely to run around and desert me! At least moreso than to give me up.
PJ and Latrell?
I know Nellie is a big guy, but Monta is cat quick…
even at his age
i wouldn’t mess with Nellie.
I think even S Jack would think twice about messing with Nellie
Ellis Sucks
I said and I will keep saying Ellis sucks, just don’t mention it to this dude called Sleepy Freud (in essence Fraud), his heart can’t take the truth lol. I guess y’ll don’t get it that Ellis can’t be and will never be a leader for this team. Trade him while his stock is still up and let Sleepy Fraud follow him wherever he goes. I need winners in this team not chumps, keep AR, Curry, Morrow, Biedrins, Turiaf, trade the rest for any winner or someone who wants to prove himself.
Waaaarroirs
by puffylove on Nov 13, 2009 3:09 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
REC!!!
just don’t mention it to this dude called Sleepy Freud
I’ll have to keep an eye out for that guy. He sounds like trouble…
I need winners in this team not chumps, keep AR, Curry, Morrow, Biedrins, Turiaf, trade the rest for any winner or someone who wants to prove himself.
YEAH!!! Seriously!! Why hasn’t anyone thought of trading all of our bad players for good players. Puffylove for GM!!
Thing 2
Singletary said a lot of the same things. Does that make him a good coach? No.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Haha. I am trouble.
Funny thing is, I’m not even a huge Monta fan. I’d trade him in a second for Bosh. Heck, I’d probably even trade him for Boozer. I thought I was pretty even-handed with him in my season preview.
I always think it’s weird when posters want to paint anyone who disagrees with their basketball analysis as part of an opposing “faction” or “cause.” My hoops opinions are actually pretty open and in flux. I don’t have any real axe to grind (à la Nellie’s a Loser™, We Never Shoulda Traded JRich™ Monta Sux™, etc. etc.) The only “cause” I’m pretty consistent about on this board is calling out posts that are exceedingly dim-witted. Down with the Dim-Wits™!!! And, yes: Puffylove for GM™!!!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 14, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
I need winners!
I need guys who wanna win!
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Curry is not a winner
I’m sorry but Curry has looked awful. Most of the blame goes squarely on Nelson, Curry should have never been starting.
I don’t get all the hate for Ellis, yes he did something foolish last year by getting into the moped accident, but let’s face reality. Nelson has run the Warriors to the ground again.
He has run Davis, Richardson, Webber, Harrington, and Mullin from the organization. The only reason why Nelson is coaching is to surpass Lenny Wilkens for most wins by an NBA Coach. Nelson could care less about the team.
The team is dysfunction because well let’s see they don’t have anyone to be a leader and tell Nelson to go back to Hawaii. Larry Riley is a freaking pansy and Nelson’s best friend like Riley has the stones to fire Nelson.
I guarantee you this the morale of the team will go up once Nelson is gone. Too bad it’s going to take another two years and by that time the team is going to be dismantled.
It has to be said...
He would do anything for love, but he won’t do that…
by David A. Arnott on Nov 13, 2009 5:11 PM PST reply actions
what he won't & why not?
*think about playing team basketball
*pass
*pass quickly, as in pass & get it back, one of the rocks of teams that enjoy playing together
Atma, you lost me when
you blamed Ellis for losing J-Rich and Baron Davis.
this has nothing to do with the Don Nelson-Chris Webber drama back in 1994.
It has everything to do with the webber dis, the richmond dis, the Jrich dis, the Boom dis, the TMNT diss, etc. It shows that nellie is just not a nice person and he don’t care how his players feel. Who would want to play for a guy like that if they have better options? Part of being older is too understand what younger guys are feeling and help them succeed, nellie fails miserably at this task, he seems to only care about himself.
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 13, 2009 9:52 PM PST reply actions
What exactly won't Monta Ellis do?
run down to the corner market and buy nellie a six pack?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 13, 2009 9:59 PM PST reply actions
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