BJ (Brandon Jennings) > Curry, Monta, and most of the NBA *updated*
by AR4 on Nov 14, 2009 8:09 PM PST
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PrintSorry guys but the debate is over about ROY. Now it's about MVP. I'm happy he's on a team with a better owner, BJ would have been a waste of talent playing for the Golden State Chris Cohan's. He is amazing. In the 3rd q at one point you could hear people chanting "MVP". Milwaukee has been going nuts. Did you hear the crowd? It sounds like a college basketball game. They have special chants for each player on the opposing team. (For example, when Acie Law was shooting free throws they chanted "A.C.-Slater".)
I've been watching their games on league pass and that fanbase has been revived.
That kid, BJ, who MANY OF US liked when he came to Oakland and WANTED TO DRAFT, was passed up by the Warriors for one reason only: MONTA ELLIS.
Monta was crying about us going for a PG, and we grabbed Curry with the excuse that he was the "best available player". But the coaches liked BJ, and he liked the Dubs. Tonight they were forced into running, and look how he played! Imagine if he played that style every night!
Let's think about other Compton PG's we've had on our team:
Gilbert Arenas - Lost him
Baron Davis - Lost him
.... so why wouldn't we want Jennings? Man, oh man. I was young when we passed up on KG and Kobe and all those other dudes, so I didn't understand what it felt like then. But here it is happening again. Funny how history repeats.
One day my kids will look back and say "dad, why didn't the Warriors draft Brandon Jennings?"
And I'll just reply: "I don't know son, I don't know."
UPDATE:
Here are 2 previous FanPosts that discussed this topic. I'm not a bandwagon, I've been pushing for this guy since before the draft.
Monta hurt us this offseason: Brandon Jennings!
by AR4 on Nov 3, 2009 9:12 PM PST 
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Back off Nellie and Jack: It's ROWELL, trick!
by AR4 on Nov 14, 2009 9:55 AM PST 31 comments
UPDATE 2:
Not to pour salt in the wound but...
"So lemme get this straight, you have never thought about riding a moped?"
"Snap that sh*%, just so y'all can remember what you coulda had in case y'all don't draft me"
"Ricky who? Warriors son..."
And finally, people shoulda known this guy was the real deal by the way he forced his uninvited entrance to the draft!!!!
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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nah, 55 yes
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by The Dedication on Nov 14, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
actually this came up a week ago in another post i made, and then a few hours earlier in another post I made
but welcome anyways!
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If Stephen Curry scored 55 points...
…Warriors fans would go crazy.
But if a rookie who we passed up on scores 50+ on us, “Brandon Jennings got lucky because Jamal Crawford scored 50 three times! And Crawford suxxx!!!! You see! Jennings isn’t that great”.
He’s a rookie.
He’s only 20 years old.
He’s leading his team to a great start.
He’s a top scorer in the league.
He scored 55 fricken points as a rookie.
Just because the season just started doesn’t mean people can’t give players credit for something. Curry is good too, though. He’ll get his shine soon.
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 14, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Amen! Amen!
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K,
sam you know I was chirping that BJennings has better potential than Steph Curry. But this thread and the next few that are going to no doubt follow, are completely useless.
Taking Curry over Jennings was not a ‘stupid desicion.’ It was a solid draft pick. Curry was the safer pick that had the shooting and the basketball iq that would probably mixed well with Ellis. Jennings was the complete wild card that would either become the next Derrick Rose or the next William Avery. It is what it is. It doesnt help rehashing. Curry is a very good player. Lets worry about the current situation and the drama, and circus, instead of rehashing old debates.
In caps for the folks who are impressed with them, JENNINGS LOOKS GREAT BUT CURRY WAS PROJECTED HIGHER BY MOST DRAFT EXPERTS. I wish we could of gotten Jennings, but Curry is a fine young basketball player as well.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 14, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
I too wanted Jennings
desicion
Decision
I wish we had Jennings because it was the ultimate chance, but we went safe with Curry and while I still wish we picked differently, it’s a whole hell of a lot better than Jordan Hill! And Curry can ball
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by The Dedication on Nov 14, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
+1,
Jordan Hill would have been the complete disaster of a pick.
I would of gone:
Jennings
Terrance Williams
DeMar Derozen
Steph Curry
At the same time, I am just a fan, without experts breaking down tape or personal interviews, or private work outs. I would have loved to see Jennings in Oakland, but I cant complain about Curry.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 14, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
If we’re going to mess up by passing up on Jennings, at least we drafted a player who’s also good. It would be worse if we passed up on Jennings to draft a complete scrub (ex. Detroit 2003).
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 14, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think mine
was the exact same way lol. My only problem with T-Will is that he would have been choosen a bit too early. But the power, defense, passing ability, athletic body and dribbles would have been worth it. Derozen would have been able to play the two and those mismatch problems but it would have still took him a bit more seasoning before getting minutes.
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by The Dedication on Nov 14, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
sam you know I was chirping that BJennings has better potential than Steph Curry. But this thread and the next few that are going to no doubt follow, are completely useless.
Taking Curry over Jennings was not a ‘stupid desicion.’ It was a solid draft pick. Curry was the safer pick that had the shooting and the basketball iq that would probably mixed well with Ellis. Jennings was the complete wild card that would either become the next Derrick Rose or the next William Avery. It is what it is. It doesnt help rehashing. Curry is a very good player. Lets worry about the current situation and the drama, and circus, instead of rehashing old debates.
Thank you for making the only sane and rational pro-Jennings argument I’ve ever seen. I honestly think I’d be a much bigger fan of the guy if everyone else didn’t sound like an idiot while they were hyping him.
Thing A
Hindsight is 20/20
You’re making judgements after the draft is said and done? Good job. This reaction is almost as pointless as watching the Rockets and the Blazers cry about passing up Jordan in ‘84. Oh wait… they didn’t even complain about that.
Yes, as of right now Jennings is indeed shaping up to be an excellent player. But there was absolutely NO WAY we could’ve predicted he was going to be this good from the get-go. Hell, if he ended up in Golden State he might be playing even worse than Curry is now. We drafted the BPA at the time in Curry, and I still like that pick. Jennings might very well become a better player, or even an all-time great. Or maybe he just caught the hot hand while Redd is out, and he’ll cool off down the road and become a role player while Curry collects All-Star honors. There’s no way we’ll know until we see it happen.
by WYK on Nov 14, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
speak for yourself
you can’t speak for me. i predicted it, and others did as well. sure it wasn’t the consensus, but, give props where it’s due man. i wanted him, not curry. some of us do a lot more research and spend more time on the draft.
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We all read a lot of draftexpress and watched youtube highlights. Get over yourself
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by antihero on Nov 14, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I am speaking for myself, and I'm saying your whining is pointless
You want “props” for mere guesswork? Your predictions (or anyone’s predictions here for that matter) hold as much weight as Kawakami’s conspiracy theories. Shoot blindly in the dark and you might just hit your target every once in a long while. So when do you figure the Warriors will win their next championship?
Your opinion is relying entirely on Jennings’ potential, which is never a good base to start your argument. Of course, it’s easy for you to say “I told you so” after an outrageously strong outing against arguably the worst defensive team in the NBA. Had he posted a goose egg tonight against a stronger defensive team like the Celtics, you wouldn’t have written up this post, much less make the ridiculous notion that he is an MVP-caliber player. I’ll give props to Jennings for singlehandlely beating the Warriors tonight, but not to you for merely guessing he’ll be a great player.
by WYK on Nov 14, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
The antithesis of Jennings is better than Curry after 8 games and 1 head to head matchup is to
compare Jennings to Jamal Crawford and his 3 50 point games for 3 different teams. Both are ridicuolsly silly.
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by warriorsscore110 on Nov 14, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Well according to this post a 50 point game won him the ROY and put him close to an MVP.
So I’m just here to remind everybody that Jamal Crawford scored 50+ in a game. And holds neither of those titles.
And if you respond that he did not score 50+ in a game his rookie season, you are purposely avoiding the point.
okay
Why are Warriors fans getting so defensive?
Brandon Jennings is a beast. He’s only 20 years old and he’s already a top scorer in the league. He scored 32 against the Denver Nuggets the night before and is averaging over 20ppg as a rookie.
Don’t get mad that he crapped all over a team that passed up on him in the 09 Draft. I give him his credit because he deserves it. And if you’re going to discredit a great performance like that, you might as well do it better.
Something like, “Tony Delk scored 50 in a game and look how he turned out”.
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 14, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
hahahaha crapped!
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Yeah man I wanted Jennings too!
I was hella mad when they drafted Curry over him! It was like drafting the next Larry Bird in Mike Dunleavy again. Stephen Curry belongs in New York where he would have flourished; he could probably be teamed up with LeBron James competing for Championships in the Garden throughout the future. Jennings was supposed to go to Golden State and Stephen Curry was supposed to go to New York, for some reason I had it all planned out in my predictions and I was pissed when it didn’t happen.
Don’t worry if people get mad at you for liking Jennings. A lot of Warriors fans are probably going to be in defensive mode to make sure that Curry is still a great pick and that the Warriors aren’t stupid for passing up on a great player in Jennings.
Right now, i’m extremely happy for the Bucks right now. They’ve been waiting for some type of hope in their team and they finally got it. They deserve it. The Warriors on the other hand don’t because we’re spoiled. We finally had a Playoff team and took it for granted. We don’t care about Baron anymore, we don’t care about J-Rich, Harrington, Barnes, Monta, Jackson, Nellie etc. as if the We Believe team wasn’t even important. We move on too fast which is a bad thing because it shows that the franchise can’t hold on to a team and build on it. There’s a reason why we haven’t made the Playoffs in 14 of the last 15 seasons.
That’s why I learned not to have too much expectations for this season. It’s so much easier, I don’t get pissed when the Warriors lose anymore, because i’ve already become immune to losing. Before, a loss would feel so bad because the Warriors used to be competitive, but once you realize that the team isn’t good then you won’t be surprised when they actually do lose. Once I see the team actually competing then i’ll believe again. They have potential to be a great team, they just have to know how to put it all together.
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 14, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oh yeah
and you’re kind of reacting by saying that BJ is an MVP type of player. He’s a great player but the MVP award means more than just having scoring ability.
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 14, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmmm
many people won MVP by scoring. The most recent is AI, but some seasons Jordan won because of that I would say. High scoring averages + great record = higher possibility of MVP nods
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by The Dedication on Nov 14, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
well I meant to say that you have to do more than just be a leading scorer to be the MVP. if you’re the leading scorer but show you can’t really lead the team then you can’t be MVP. your team usually has to have at least 50 wins to be considered as an MVP.
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
overreacting
typo
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed 100%.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Nov 14, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
One game doesn't make a rookie season
For all you know he could be playing in his next game and blow out his knee and be lost for the season.
I still think that Jennings has maturity issues and it will show later on especially when he’s coming for a free agent contract.
Really?
Maturity issues because he’ll want top dollar for his next contract? I go to Marquette, which is in Milwaukee, so I’ve been able to see him play this year. He’s really shown me a lot so far by staying calm, cool, and collected on the court. He has kept a level head while he was dishing out on us today.I have yet to see him complain too much about calls he didn’t get and listen’s to Skiles every day. Yes, he is a cocky guy off the court, but the European experience made him much more rounded as a person and made him thankful for what the U.S. has to offer. He has single handedly brought the excitement back to Milwaukee this year and the fans appreciate him for doing that.
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by The Dedication on Nov 14, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
you're so lucky to be in Mil this year!
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I am
I work for the Athletic Department at Marquette and for our Midnight Madness I was able to talk to BJ for a bit because he was a judge. I told him he shoulda been a Warrior, he laughed and said hey, I tried.
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by The Dedication on Nov 14, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
Wow awesome story!
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55 points doesnt mean all star
….as JAMAL CRAWFORD has proven many times…
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I'm not even going to reply to that other than laugh.
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You said Monta isn't a good player
your argument is invalid.
LOL Okay sure I did.
I don’t remember ever reading, writing or saying that.
But I did say Jennings is better. That’s my opinion. You have a right to your opinion too, but you don’t have a right to your own facts.
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Compare Monta rookie season to Jennings
and it’s not even a argument that Jennings is better. Right now, Monta still has something to prove that he is back from his injury, but he is still above Jennings at this point in time. But Jennings will be there soon
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by The Dedication on Nov 14, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
you're starting to become one of my favs on here!
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Lol
I try I try
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by The Dedication on Nov 15, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
lol
I bet if Curry scored 50+ points, all the Warriors fans would be bragging about what a great young player they have on their squad.
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 14, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
Wrong
I for one wouldn’t be impressed with just one 50 point game. Do it consistently and maybe I’ll brag about it, but even then he wouldn’t be doing his duty as a point guard if all he does is score.
WYK
Can you just accept the FACT that some of us have league pass and have watched every game both Jennings and Curry have played so far? Let it go bud, Jennings is the rookie guard of the year and probably ROY if Griffin needs time to catch up.
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Your “I have League Pass, so I am right” arguement is pretty laughable, especially when the post you replied to has nothing to do with watching Jennings at all. So you are telling me to ignore the FACT that you’re declaring him MVP after one 50+ point game; to disregard the FACT that you are ignorant for saying that Jennings is better than Chris Paul based on a such small sample of games, just because you have League Pass? Great… I guess Jennings is better than MJ too because you have League Pass.
Jennings has been a good player so far, but he is far from being as godly as you make him out to be. Maybe he’ll build on this performance to become a great player, but there’s no point whining about the Warriors passing him up for someone who was clearly the BPA at the time of the draft. What’s done is done. Deal with it.
Let it go bud, Jennings is the rookie guard of the year and probably ROY if Griffin needs time to catch up.
We’re 8 games into the season. To say something like this is, frankly, just stupid. Jennings could go down with an injury. He could be playing hot right now and cool down quite a bit as numerous other rookies have over the years. 8 games. That’s less than 10% of the season. Just to give you a concrete example, one of the most recent ROY award winners was Brandon Roy. You know what his per game averages were 8 games into his rookie season? 11.3 points, 3.5 assists, and 3.8 rebounds per game. You know what his final averages were? 16.8 points per game, 4.0 assists and 4.4 rebounds. A lot can happen over the rest of the season.
*Note: the Bucks have only played 7 games so far.
by Missing Barry on Nov 15, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Umm not a knock on Jennings or anything,
but remember how much OJ Mayo was ballin it last year. It’s called streaks buddy.
Maybe, but who cares?
People are acting like 1 major scoring outburst means that this guy has established himself as an elite player in the NBA.
People are acting like he has proved that no matter what happens in the future, Brandon Jennings is a better player than Stephen Curry because of what happened tonight.
The people that wanted the Warriors to draft Jennings feel validated today, and are more concerned with everyone knowing they were right than the reality of the situation, which is that while today’s game was a hell of a scoring display by Jennings, it is just one game.
From now on, why don’t you guys post exactly who you said before the season would be good and who you said would be bad from the rookie crop. So we can acknowledge that no one here is a draft guru who knows better than the Warriors organization, but that a couple people made a few calls (amidst many incorrect ones) that seem to be correct based on about 10 games of evidence. And are so wrapped up in being a “guru” that they won’t acknowledge there is no way that anyone from that draft can conclusively be called better than anyone else, especially considering the number 1 pick hasn’t even played a game yet.
Jennings is a good player and may be a future MVP but
there is no way he is a MVP type player now. He may be the MVP on the Bucks, but not the league.
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I’d give the award to Brandon Jennings right now. He has my vote. The Bucks are tied for the fewest amount of losses in the league. Without him, they’d be damn near tied for the fewest amount of wins.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 14, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Good point
They really held their own against Denver too.
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No...
I doubt he’s going to score 55 points again. Not trying to take anything away from him because he had a phenomenal game especially for a rookie, but MVP after 7 games? Ridiculous, your’e basically saying he’s better than D-Wade, LBJ, or Kobe because of1 game. Remember Kobe scored 81 points in a game before and he didn’t receive the MVP.
MVP of the first 7 games of the season, what an honor!
by Missing Barry on Nov 15, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
He is good
But not the MVP, MVP type players are Kobe, Lebron, CP3, Wade and Dwight would any of those teams trade any of those guys for Brandon Jennings. No because those players are more valuable even though he is what 20 and a stud already. I like Jennings a lot, he is just not the MVP.
Jennings > CP3 right now
For sure he is, the only trademark CP has other than passing is that little floater but BJ has a nice one, they were talking about it on the pregame show tonight too.
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I like Jennings
But really you think he is better than Chris Paul…The best Point guard in the game, lets look at a few stats on NBA.com to get a player comparison. I am not sure if todays game has been added to the stats yet but either way here it is.
Chris Paul Vs Brandon Jennings
2009-10 Statistics
Chris Paul Brandon Jennings
PPG 23.8 20.7
RPG 3.4 4.3
APG 9.2 5.2
SPG 1.7 1.3
BPG 0.0 0.0
FG% 0.594 0.457
FT% 0.845 0.857
3P% 0.655 .455
MPG 34.0 32.7
Please look at the stats, Paul is clearly better even in this small sample size where Jennings is balling it up.
by Oracle Junkie on Nov 15, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
Plus, Paul is an excellent defender, what does Jennings bring you on defense besides lunging for steals that leave him in a bad position to stay in front of his man? Paul plays excellent on the ball defense and can put a body on his man to slow him down. Jennings will never make an NBA all-defense team while Paul will make probably a half-dozen when all is said and done. Add to this Paul’s tremendous character and leadership and I’d take him over Jennings any day of the week.
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by joeytothelimit on Nov 16, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Jennings > CP3 right now
Haha. Well, sure, ’cos is Paul out two weeks with a nasty ankle sprain…
It’s comical to compare Jennings to a healthy Chris Paul right now, let alone to assert that he’s better. Paul has logged two or three of the best seasons ever by an NBA PG. Jennings has logged … two or three high-scoring games.
Speaking in crazy hyperbole may gain you a little attention in the short term, but it makes you look very silly to the vast majority of your readers.
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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 15, 2009 12:44 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Jennings > CP3 right now
These type of quotes ruin it for everybody. I like watching Brandon Jennings and watching him develop. If he can continue to grow he should one day become an elite point guard in the east along with Rajon Rando and Derrick Rose. Chris Paul….Chris Paul is just silly. If he keeps this pace up, he is going to go from best point guard of all time into the best players of all time discussion. Lets just enjoy the 8 or 9 games Jennings has played so far and see if he can build on what he has done so far.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 15, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
+1
I agree, he’s doing a little too much right now. I’m a huge BJ supporter and have, but saying statements like that is outrageous & hurts any credibility you might have earned on this website.
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by The Dedication on Nov 15, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
Jennings > CP3 right now
you lost all credibility right there.
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by LostHawkGSW on Nov 15, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
LOL You guys are so uptite!!!
You should be more joyous and celebrate the fact that there’s an exciting young guy like this in the league.
CP is injured now dudes, so of course he’s better. And BTW, if we compare them as Rooks, I’m sure BJ is better. Scoring-wise, I don’t believe CP has hit 55? If he has, then my bad guys. But ya, I’m just putting my whole bball rep on the line when I say BJ will EVENTUALLY be a greater player than CP3 for sure.
There, now, continue the commenting and in some cases, attacking?
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I think you don’t quite understand how good Chris Paul is. He’s on pace to be one of the two best point guards in the history of the NBA. Brandon Jennings has played 7 games in the NBA. Saying anyone will be one of the greatest players in history after 7 games “for sure” is, simply put, a dumb thing to say.
Scoring-wise, I don’t believe CP has hit 55?
Really? One high scoring game is evidence of a great scorer? Since 1986, only 9 players have scored more points in a single game than Michael Redd. Does that mean Michael Redd is one of the 10 best scorers since 1986? Absolutely not. One game doesn’t make someone a great scorer.
by Missing Barry on Nov 15, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
CP is injured now dudes, so of course he’s better
Of course that’s what’s you meant. ;-P That also makes Acie Law better than Paul, right?
I’m just putting my whole bball rep on the line when I say BJ will EVENTUALLY be a greater player than CP3 for sure
It’s highly unlikely that he’ll ever be as good as Paul, the best PG in the NBA since Magic. By adding “for sure” to the end of your unlikely proposition, you basically guarantee that your rep here as a total clownshoes remains intact.
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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 15, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
1. Its an incredibly small sample size
2. It’s an incredibly small sample size, but Curry is averaging more assists and fewer turnovers per 36 than Jennings. I also think its pretty reasonable to assume, based on college and overseas performances that Jennings’ shooting %s are incredibly likely to go down while Curry’s are likely to go up.
3. As someone noted earlier, a 55 point scoring outburst doesn’t necessarily make you a great player. See Crawford, Jamal.
Conclusion: You’re getting more than a little carried away here, they haven’t played 1/8 of one season yet.
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by sam23 on Nov 14, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
+1
Conclusion: You’re getting more than a little carried away here, they haven’t played 1/8 of one season yet
100% agreed, I liked Jennings before the draft and nothing has come close to change my opinion. However, Curry has looked good too. Not only does he play well, but he acts the part well, something very important around these parts. I am very glad to have Curry on the team. Lets look forward, because looking back (15 or so years) only hurts….
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by warriorsscore110 on Nov 14, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Except that some of us have spent more than 1 night evaluating these guys
Some of us have watched every game they both played, many clips of them from before the NBA, and have been doing this for years with other rookies and have developed a little bit of knowledge.
My fear is that if the season is done and he actually does win the ROY award, you will come up with another excuse like “it’s just one year, their careers are only 1/10th done”.
Promise me you won’t do that too ok.
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yes, you’re right you watch all the games and have been doing this for years and none of the rest of us have. In fact, I’m sure that all the people who evaluate players for a living and had Curry higher on their draft boards just aren’t as good at evaluating talent as you and its clear 10% of the way through one season that you were right and they were all wrong.
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many clips of them from before the NBA
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by antihero on Nov 15, 2009 12:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you sound 16
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by LostHawkGSW on Nov 15, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
This is a pointless discussion
The fact is, Jennings would be in the same position that Curry is in if we had drafted him. The veterans on this team are going to get theirs before anyone else, and that would have included Jennings. There’s no way Jennings would sniff 20 shots in a game as a Warrior, let alone 34. The Bucks have no scorers other than Jennings while Redd is injured. If the Bucks had Curry instead, he would have taken 30 shots in this game too, and probably made a good amount of them.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 15, 2009 12:37 AM PST reply actions
exactly
Jennings ended up on a team that was unusually low on scorers… they were perfectly happy to let him score from the get-go. As a Warrior, he’d have been forced into the same deferring role Curry was. The Monta deal was going to make things complicated for any rookie point guard.
I suspect Jennings may end up being the better player — thus far he’s grabbing rebounds 50% more often than Curry is, and if that holds up, that in and of itself is a big gap in value. But Jennings has gotten far more of an opportunity to find his game than Curry has. It’s early yet.
Re: rebounding
It’s a bit weird, as Curry had solid rebounding numbers in college, whereas pre-draft that appeared to be one of the weaknesses in Jennings’ game. I’d bet a lot that Jennings’ 50% edge is a small sample size error; but obviously if it keeps up it’s a pretty huge check in the pro-Jennings column.
For a bit of perspective — if we’re already talking MVP, it’s only a matter of time before we start in on GoAT — I’m going to repost a (misplaced) comment from the Nellie/Rowell/Jack thread:
The ceiling for anyone under 6’3" is always going to be pretty limited. Chris Paul is probably the best player that size in my lifetime (if not ever) and even he, when push comes to shove, is always going to be banging his head against his size-ceiling. It’s a big man’s game, and was ever thus. Brandon Jennings is not going to be the exception to this rule.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 15, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a bit weird, as Curry had solid rebounding numbers in college, whereas pre-draft that appeared to be one of the weaknesses in Jennings’ game. I’d bet a lot that Jennings’ 50% edge is a small sample size error
Curry even rebounded well in the preseason… not that those numbers mean much, but yeah, I’m expecting/hoping he’ll improve in that department. Frankly, it’s the only part of his game that I find worrying so far. Crappy defense and some errant passes are no surprise from a rookie point guard, but you do want to see him rebound credibly for his position, especially on a wee team like this one.
He was who I wanted since the beginning
I was fine with Steph but knew we were missing out.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
According to some people here, you're lying!!
LOL But I believe you, I was with you! But according to people here, because THEY didn’t want him, there’s no way anyone else could have wanted him. Pretty silly huh?
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The ceiling for anyone under 6’3" is always going to be pretty limited. Chris Paul is probably the best player that size in my lifetime. Brandon Jennings is not going to be the exception to this rule.
idk about jus cp3 bruh bruh. Nash is pretty gud wit his short self, no? jamir 4orlando gud&short. hell boykins is pretty damn gud2. throwback, but stockton wuz gud&short. AI wuz pretty damn gud. thts a short list2; there were &r hella ballrs that r short. so i disagree wit u…. &BJ3 is an exception bro. u bettr google his totals against these so called pros. he already said that this league was way easier than ovrseas, cuz u cant touch ovr here. them euro leagues let u get a little physical. over here they call touch fouls&he’s made every team he’s played so far pay for that…
Nash is more like 6’3"-6’4", so you can count him out of the discussion. Further, great as he is, if you factor in defense and rebounding, he’s not as good overall as Paul. Stockton is probably the closest thing to “as good as Paul” among small guys; he still never got his ring, despite playing his whole career with a near-elite big man and under fantastic coaches. (Boykins and Jameer Nelson are, as you know, laughable in the context of the “as good as Paul” conversation).
Take-home point is that none of players in the “shorty” category — not even Paul/Stockton, the two the all-time greats — are in the Russell-Wilt-Kareem-Bird-Magic-Jordan-Shaq-Duncan class of player whose mere presence, with no any other franchise players, puts you in the discussion for an NBA championship.
I googled Jennings’ totals through seven games. His true shooting, assist and turnover rates are not even close to as good as Stockton’s or Paul’s. Yeah, he might get there some day — not likely, but not impossible — but it might be wise to let him progress to the point where he can be mentioned in the same breath as Stockton and Paul before talking about him as their superior.
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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 15, 2009 6:21 AM PST up reply actions
… fwiw cav, replied on your bandwagon post but it was deleted – you’re right, I was not a bj fan last summer, in fact I didn’t want Curry that much either (I’d wanted a certain PF who’d been slotted in the top 5 who fell to us so we could say ciou to smallball) and probably would have included him in a trade for Amare, so what do I know… was surprised you let my comments get under your skin that much. Anyway, I haven’t seen any Bucs games – not even the one vs dubs so I have no insights. I do wonder if some (not all) of bj’s success is from volume shooting or being able to play big minutes for a poor team? Anyway tip of the hat to you for seeing his talent before some of the rest of us.
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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 15, 2009 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
Give Morrow 35 shots a night
and I bet he would score 35 a game. But the real question is how many games would we win? Iverson scored 50 five games in a row or something like that and his team won ZERO.
Iverson has 11 50 Point games
and only one was back-to-back. In his 50 point performances, his team is 8-3 and none of them were consecutive losses.
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by The Dedication on Nov 15, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I liked Jennings over Curry too.
I like the risk of taking the “potential superstar” over the “potential great player”. I understand with that draft strategy, you’re more likely to get a bust than even a solid bench player, but I say go for the risk, a superstar can make your team a championship contender. I thought Jennings had more of the superstar look and personality, and Curry had more of the good solid player look, but of course this was just based on viewing the same You-Tube clips, reading the same interviews and articles that most of you read. I also liked that Jennings worked out for the Warriors and seemed to say the right things, and wanted to be here, while Curry, if memory serves, did not even come to our workout.
Having said all that, and even after our ridiculously huge 8 game sample, I’m still happy with the Curry pick. This is not like Todd Fuller over Kobe Bryant. We still got an exciting young player. Curry’s passing skills are better than I expected, and his shot will come, I’m not too worried about that. We went with the “safe” pick and this time I don’t think we got burned.
And why play the “if-only” game this early? We most likely would have gotten Amare in a trade if we decided against Curry. And if we had gotten Jennings, as much as I love my Warriors, they would have found some way to screw it up. (I’m still hoping they don’t screw Curry up as it is.) I’m at peace with our draft, it’s the ownership, front office, coach, and disgruntled veterans I’m concerned about.
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Highly recommended.
You summed up everything so well the GSoM team should shut just down this site for a month or two and take a nice long vacation. Would do us all a ton of good, I think.
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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 15, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
Love it!
That’s what I’m saying essentially too!
I just can’t believe that after hearing for years about the if-only scenarios in drafts, it’s happened to us again! Like big-time.
And wow, looks like Sleepy agrees too! I agree, let’s shut it down for a while, until the next draft night even ahhahaha.
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You’re the guy kicking and screaming about the Warriors passing up Jennings and how your predictions are right based on eight games. If anyone’s bringing up the “if-only” scenario, it’s you.
Not based on 8 games
Based on ZERO games buddy, I was rootin for this guy since before the draft.
And there’s a reason to do an IF ONLY scenario other than just to kick and scream dude. It’s important to try to figure out WHY and HOW. My opinion, is that Nellie and the staff wanted this kid and he would have been happy to be here, but that they were scared of Monta’s backlash. It’s just my opinion man, I respect yours though. 1.
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If Jennings turns into a top 10 or top 5 guy
We got burned even if turns out to be a good starter. Anyone who passes on a star gets burned unless they also got a star.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Oh,
and how can we forget our own Sleepy Floyd (not Freud) and where is he now? He just dropped off the radar, haven’t heard from him in years (oops, he’s retired). Okay, just having some fun here. I’m very happy with our selection of Curry, but I’m also enjoying seeing a very talented young man (Jennings) come into his own. I totally give him his due share of credit without feeling the need to predict his future greatness.
And let’s get over this who we’ve passed up in our draft history thing; every great player who wasn’t taken # 1 or 2 was passed up by multiple teams!
I’m just going to say as the one person pre-draft who had seen Jennings play, I was strongly for picking him. Now, that’s not the real point of this post, hindsight is 20/20 and there was certainly some good logic behind the Curry pick – rather, the point I want to make is the Brandon Jennings we just saw tear up the Warriors….THAT was the Brandon Jennings I saw play in high school. He was on fire and tearing everyone up in his path. After watching one game and seeing a shooting performance like we saw in Warriors vs. Bucks (which is basically the same performance I saw in Jennings Oak Hill team vs. Ed Davis’ Benedictine team)….I was wondering why everyone was questioning his shot as much as they were before the draft. All I’ve seen is him knock it down all over the floor.
Funny how small sample sizes can bias judgment so much. I trust the guys that have seen him play a lot of times, seen workouts, checked out his shooting %‘s, and all that, are closer to right about his shooting ability than I am…but until I start seeing otherwise, I’m just going to believe Jennings has a decent shot…
Brandon Jennings
I wanted the Warriors to draft Brandon Jennings over the summer because I thought he was an agressive pure PG who is a great facilitator. After watching yesterdays game, I find out he has offense. Overall, I’m fine with Stephen Curry. You can’t forget that he did well on yesterdays game also, not 55 points to be exact, but he showed us he can play. Brandon Jennings would of been a nice pick for the Warriors, but I’m content with Curry. Gotta give credit where credit is due, Jennings is the man.
More importantly, how is Azubuike doing? The severity of his injury is more important to me than BJ’s 55 point game.
I think.....
Buike’s done for the year.
by Richboievans on Nov 15, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I GUARANTEE that Jennings will get cocky and lazy and will have a pot belly next year. He’ll be one of the worst busts in NBA history. heh heh…
In all seriousness, he looks good so far. At this rate, he could be ROY. But the chances of him maintaining this is 4.8%, because teams will start focusing on him more and more. He’ll be good. He might become ROY. He’s no Paul on offense, with his high TO’s and lower assists; his defense looks weak. I like him, but I think Curry will be a better defender, passer and leader.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
lol 4.8%
crack me up. Let me respond on the other extreme:
He will be the greatest player to have ever lived. In any sport. In any lifetime. In any universe.
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typical
im not hopping on any we should have taken bj instead band wagon or anything but for the longest time i really thought we were going to take him and i really liked the idea of him playing here. i like curry but i just dont get the pick. we already had monta and from what little we have seen so far, he and curry dont even been play well together. brandon jennings is a beast and not just because he put up 55 (against us ironically) but you can just tell he is going to be a star. i think curry can be one too but unfortunately not in this environment, and not now
by nhlogan on Nov 17, 2009 1:28 AM PST reply actions
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