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BREAKING NEWS: Golden State Warriors trade Stephen Jackson + Acie Law to Charlotte Bobcats for Raja Bell + Vladimir Radmanovic

UPDATE 2 (1:26pm): My esteemed collegue JAE gets down and dirty with the NBA's CBA in Jax to Charlotte: Warriors financial implications

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UPDATE (8:47am): Track this story up to the minute in this SB Nation.com sports stream: Stephen Jackson Finally Gets His Wish: Traded to the Charlotte Bobcats

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Over at the mothership SB Nation.com they've got a story stream on today's Stephen Jackson trade that updates by the minute. Via Yahoo Sports' Marc Spears tweet (remember Spears Don't Lie!), the Warriors and Bobcats have just agreed on this trade: Stephen Jackson and Acie Law to Charlotte for Vladamir Radmanovic and Raja Bell.

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Think the Young Fella will dig Charlotte?

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Is Monta the next to go?

My first thought: A Raja and Curry on the Warriors? This is like Warriors nirvana for your Indo brother!

My second thought: Good luck playing for a winner "Captain"!

My third thought: I wonder what our friends over in BETcats land think about move. Check out Rufus on Fire.

My fourth thought: The Warriors actually found a worse team to send Jack to- and that's incredibly hard to do.

My fifth thought: Former Warriors player and GM Rod Higgins really likes doing business with his old team.

Jump for some linkage and more!

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Raja Bell

#19 / Guard / Charlotte Bobcats

6-5

215

Sep 19, 1976

Fla International



FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2009 - Raja Bell 5 31.4 4.8 11.0 43.6 1.8 4.8 37.5 0.6 0.6 100.0 1.0 3.2 4.2 2.0 1.0 0.8 0.4 2.6 12.0

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Raja's now in the golden house!

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Vladimir Radmanovic

#10 / Forward / Charlotte Bobcats

6-10

235

Nov 19, 1980

Serbia & Montenegro


FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2009 - Vladimir Radmanovic 8 16.6 1.8 5.3 33.3 0.9 2.8 31.8 0.5 0.8 66.7 1.0 2.6 3.6 0.9 0.6 0.4 0.1 2.3 4.9

 

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Fear the Vlad Rad beard?

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Stephen Jackson

#1 / Forward / Golden State Warriors

6-8

215

Apr 05, 1978

None



FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2009 - Stephen Jackson 9 33.2 6.2 14.8 42.1 1.2 4.4 27.5 2.9 4.1 70.3 0.7 3.2 3.9 4.7 2.9 1.6 0.7 1.8 16.6


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DONE.


Acie Law

#2 / Guard / Golden State Warriors

6-3

202

Jan 25, 1985

Texas A&M



FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2009 - Acie Law 5 13.2 1.8 2.8 64.3 0.2 0.6 33.3 2.4 3.0 80.0 0.0 0.4 0.4 1.4 0.4 1.2 0.0 1.0 6.2

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I swear he just got here! Good luck Acie.

More details and analysis to come. Drop your initial reactions and analysis in the comments.

 

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Are you feeling this trade for the Warriors?
YES: Goodbye "Captain", hello Raja and Rad Vlad!
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NO: They should've got a better deal for the "Captain" and Law
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NOOOOOO

Worst deal ever… cmon!! At least try to get Wallace or Diaw! We got raped"!

F**K REFS

by faetati on Nov 16, 2009 8:09 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I’m going to assume they were not offered…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we got raped? we just dumped an absolutely horrible contract

by randolphforpresident on Nov 16, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We got raped"!

Rowell made certain of that when he gave Jack an extension. But as the others have mentioned, it’s not as bad as we thought they would be – remember when all fans thought we could muster was Eddie Curry or that they’d have to include Turiaf or a young player/pick?

by homer simpson on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely NOT where I saw Jackson going. Would you rather play for the Warriors or the Bobcats?

by Vic De Zen on Nov 16, 2009 8:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

haha

The Bobcats are going to make Jackson realize how good he had it in Golden State. He wanted to get traded and it happened, he should have been careful what he wished for.

The Bobcats might even trade Jackson near the deadline to a contending team. Kind of like getting something for cheap now, and reselling it for more later.

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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Jackson will like it there. He’ll be a go-to guy and will work with Michael Jordan. They can reassure him that they’re trying to build a championship team (and probably are), and he’ll be satisfied for now. I think he’ll be fine out there for at least a couple years. They may trade him this year or next, too.

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by Naticus2 on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Jackson will like it there. He’ll be a go-to guy and will work with Michael Jordan. They can reassure him that they’re trying to build a championship team (and probably are), and he’ll be satisfied for now. I think he’ll be fine out there for at least a couple years. They may trade him this year or next, too.

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by Naticus2 on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hope vlade can get back his form when he was with the sonics.

he was a big time player next to lewis and allen back in the day. with all the freedom he has under this system, this can actually be a steal for us.

by Manute Said So on Nov 16, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I preferred Diaw, but I will take it.

by krazybalr on Nov 16, 2009 8:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

at least something is done

so W’s may move on now

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by Lat We N Trash on Nov 16, 2009 8:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

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by GameSix on Nov 16, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Salary Stats

Anyone know all the salary stats? Are these two expiring deals?

If they are, which I think they are… goodness this is a win. Come on, what a joke. Guy is going to a black hole, and we get two slightly over the hill wingmen that will help fill out the roster. No inside help for beef, but hey. New chapter started

by pinkycheal on Nov 16, 2009 8:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Stats

Vlad-Ram has 3 years left on his deal and Bell will be a FA after thsi season. Bad new is you guys traded $10MM for $11.5MM. At least you can get rid of Bell after this year.

by The Geek on Nov 16, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Vlad has 2 yrs left on his deal

by krazybalr on Nov 16, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, 2 year w/ a player option for 2010-11

So overall we shorten up a good amount. Acie wasn’t worth the money he was lookin to make on his remaining 3

by esco41510 on Nov 16, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Acie's option was not picked up

so he was an expiring this year. We save less than $2 mil next summer, not enough to make an impact, but we save Jack’s entire amount due in ’12 and ’13.

by ffgolden on Nov 16, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s the thing I’m happy about, we didn’t have to take a bad contract back. Vlad becomes valuable as an expiring after this year…so it definitely works out well for us.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace? You are out of your mind

Jackson and who for Wallace? You didn’t honestly think you would get a huge upgrade like that did you? Not for a cancer like Jackson….be happy you got only mildy screwed.

by The Geek on Nov 16, 2009 8:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

YESSSSSSSSSSS!! FINALLY A DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST

Im sooo freakin excited that we got a legitimate defensive stopper in Raja Bell. He was once considered the best 1on1 defensive stopper in the league and now we got him on our team! Finally they brought in someone that can actually lead a team the proper way by veteran leadership.

by bojangles408 on Nov 16, 2009 8:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

he’s not that good anymore.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 16, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but hopfully he can teach.

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by qin on Nov 16, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Stephen Jackson is also a great defender

He’s always been our top defender, the problem is that on the offensive end we also relied on him as our 2nd best playmaker behind Baron and also as one of our top scorers. So even though Jackson was a great defender, he had to do a lot of other things on offense which didn’t let him put emphasis on defense (since he had to spend a lot of energy on both sides of the court).

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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

heh. only on a defensive challenged team like the Warriors does Jack go from an above avg defender (his rep with Indiana, Atlanta & the Spurs) into a “great” defender or a “lockdown” defender.

by homer simpson on Nov 16, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well doesn't "above average" mean "great"?

that’s basically what i meant.

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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

First, I think you’re overstating it to call Jack a great defender. When Jack put the effort in, yes, he could be a good on ball defender. I wouldn’t rank him up there with the best in the league, but I’m comfortable calling him decently above average. The problem is he rarely puts that effort in. The other problem is the rest of his defense is pretty awful. He’s a god awful off-ball defender, both in covering his own guy (when was the last time Jack fought through a screen? 2003, maybe?) and playing help D. He’s also a terrible rebounder.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree, jack is an average defender at best and one of the worst off-ball defenders i have ever seen. raja will be a nice addition

by GreezyFBaby on Nov 16, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

After watching the games in person, my thought about Jackson as a defender, was that he had lock down on-the-ball capabilities vs. anybody. He was similar to B. Davis, however, in that his intensity waivered. Overall, he was the current roster’s best man-to man defender, which as John Hollinger noted, was like being the best surfer in Minnesota.

The problem with Jackson’s defense, besides his disinterest in fighting through screens and helping others, was his inability to get back on defense when he was throwing a temper tantrum. That negated a fair amount of his positives.

by San Francisco Slim on Nov 16, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That’s what I was hoping for. He’s a 2, also. Perimeter defense! Wahoo!

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by Naticus2 on Nov 16, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect!

Initially, I was thinking…what were we waiting all this time for? A deal like this could have been done the week Jackson demanded a trade. Warriors don’t benefit from this.
Wrong
Raja Bell is another great expiring contract and one of those players who can fix a locker room. He has one of the most positive attitudes in this league and despite being shipped to the Bobcats at age 33, didn’t complain one bit and was just happy to play. I would even argue he became a leader on that team, not just in terms of scoring with Diaw, but to teach the younger guys. We have younger guys who don’t need the skills teaching but need a positive force in and out of games.
Radmanovic would be a great expiring a year from now, however, he is also a Buike replacement for now and shows he can be on a winning team when he was with the lakers.
Regardless, both are veterans with positive attitudes (you have to be to surivive in Charlotte). This is a great deal. I can’t wait to start seeing our players grow and develope. If nothing else, just thinking about who is going to pick up the 15 shots per game from Jackson makes me smile. Get it done Warrior’s front office!

by w00143881 on Nov 16, 2009 8:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We’ve gotten a bit bigger with Vlad. He makes a bad 4, but he may come in handy in the short run at that position. In the long run, we can use a taller 3 in some situations.

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by Naticus2 on Nov 16, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sickening

I anticipated a trade with charlotte, and knew Nellie would take Bell off their hands (they have history on the Mavs) I was hoping against hope that it would be Diaw and not Radmanovich.

One thing I can predict about this move: Randolph is going to throw a fit watching Vlad get his minutes at the four.

Bell was a great defender in his prime, but now? And he’s got a wrist injury that may actually keep him from playing much.

Its very hard to see this as anything but a salary dump.

by Feltbot on Nov 16, 2009 8:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did you expect anything other than a salary dump??? There was no way we were getting any value for Stephen Jackson!

by krazybalr on Nov 16, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the situation had gotten critical. They wanted to wait until after Dec 15th to see if some more value could be had for Jack but I get the feeling he was really infecting the team with his comments and negativity. Some of the stuff he was saying recently and the way his attitude was rubbing off on Monta and Randolph forced our hand.

Not the ideal trade, but I think it gets us two good players who can help, and it lessens our salary commitments. All in all you have to be pleased.

Also, Vlad at the four and Randolph at the 5 is kinda cool, for the next few weeks anyway.

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by Supafishal on Nov 16, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree the situation had gotten critical. I think when Buike went down it became code red. I wonder if Nelson would have done this deal before they lost Buike.

I’ve cooled down a little bit now, and can see the positives. Radmanovich is a good fit for the system and will certainly help. I can guarantee you, though, that he will drive you nuts with his inability to defend and rebound.

Raja Bell is a Nellie favorite and will fit right in. I just hope he can stay healthy.

by Feltbot on Nov 16, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I can predict about this move: Randolph is going to throw a fit watching Vlad get his minutes at the four.

I’ll agree that this is the biggest risk in this trade… fueling Nellie’s smallball plans is a mixed bag at best. Smallball with Radmanovic at the four wouldn’t be nearly as successful as regularball with Randolph at the four. Having said that, this won’t be an issue in the immediate future, as Randolph’s still a five for now. And maybe Nellie will find religion on Randolph if he keeps playing well.

by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its very hard to see this as anything but a salary dump.

Well that is what it is.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

(MT)

by kenntoe on Nov 16, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Randolph is going to throw a fit watching Vlad get his minutes at the four.

Well that would only motivate him to get even better. Randolph hasn’t been doing well lately so it would be good to have something/someone spark him into being a beast again. He hasn’t been playing with any fire this season.

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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AR will still be getting substantial minutes at the 5 until Turiaf/Andris come back.

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by LostHawkGSW on Nov 16, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

from chadfordinsider twitter
Bobcats were already at the bottom of our Future Power Rankings. The just slid further into the basement.

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by Lat We N Trash on Nov 16, 2009 8:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is what is must feel like to beat cancer

One day you have it, next day you don’t. The feeling is amazing.

by w00143881 on Nov 16, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Does Chad Ford ever get it right?

Hard to see how this deal doesn’t make Charlotte a whole lot better. I think they’ll be a playoff team as a result.

by Feltbot on Nov 16, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What about this deal significantly improves Charlotte, exactly?

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Their offense is so bad that Jack’s high-usage/averagish-efficiency routine will actually help them a good bit. Also, Felton and Augustin have both been horrible so far… it’s possible that Law will give them a bench boost, as well.

by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting. One problem is it looks a lot to me like Jackson’s efficiency benefitted a lot from Nellieball, I could definitely see him going back to below average under Larry Brown. Though it’s all relative, if he’s below average but still better than Charlotte’s other players, your point still applies…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One problem is it looks a lot to me like Jackson’s efficiency benefitted a lot from Nellieball, I could definitely see him going back to below average under Larry Brown.

Could be. But it seems to me that the main reason for Jack’s improved efficiency is that he drove more here, getting himself to the line more often. It may be that Nellie’s free-wheeling style allowed Jack to develop that part of his game more, but there’s no particular reason that Larry Brown would have to clamp down on it.

by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

depends how clogged the lane is over there. him driving more here is probably correlated with having played with lane clogging big men like Jermaine O’Neal. when the lane is clogged, Jack usually turns the ball over as he tries to draw a foul or force a pass amongst being double or triple teamed.

by homer simpson on Nov 16, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True. I haven’t seen the Bobcats lately, but my guess would be that they don’t clog too much… Wallace, Diaw and Chandler are all pretty mobile (when healthy), and none of them demands the ball in the post much. Will be interesting to see how he fits in.

by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I mean the improvement in his efficiency definitely correlates with a move to GS/Nellie, but figuring out the causation is a much harder task. I’m really not sure I know why it happened, exactly, and if the factors that caused it will translate elsewhere or not. Just gotta wait and see…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

It will help them, not hurt them. But not very much much…

by freerandolph on Nov 16, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ford was talking about ESPN’s “FUTURE” Power Rankings, i.e. how the team will be a couple seasons from now rather than just looking at this season. Jack’s contract is not a favorable one in the long term, and he’s just getting older.

by ffgolden on Nov 16, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

future power rankings? they just tied up a whole lot of long term cap space. Chad Ford did get it right.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 16, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

line-up

PG: Raymond Felton
SG: Stephen Jackson
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: Boris Diaw
C: Tyson Chandler

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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how many points that team could score.

Before Jack they were awful. With jack they could be sporadically awful…

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

(MT)

by kenntoe on Nov 16, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wooohoooo!

Monta
Bell
Vladi
Randolph
Biedrins

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO thats size right there boys!!!

Will Nelly do it?!?! He better try damn him.

by bojangles408 on Nov 16, 2009 8:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Vlad is a Big

probably play at the 5 or the 4

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by gametime_gsw on Nov 16, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

4, not 5, unless madness strikes

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by Honka Playboy on Nov 16, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On a normal team he's a 4 maybe even play at the 3

on our team he’s the center

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by gametime_gsw on Nov 16, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha ha ha ...

that’s gotta suck

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by faith on Nov 16, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd rather have him play center than mikki moore

Moore does absolutely nothing for us. At least Vladimir could shoot the ball. haha.

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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

unfortunately

he rebounds like a 3

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 16, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but at least he rebounds better than Jackson. 10% vs 6.7% career.

by homer simpson on Nov 16, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just saw on espn

finally jackson is gone! i’ve wanted him out since last year. getting bell back is pretty sweet as he can add defensive toughness to the perimiter. and yeah diaw would have been sweet but come on people the other gms around the league aren’t stupid. they knew we were desperate to get rid of jackson, we should be lucky we came away this good

by AJC3317 on Nov 16, 2009 8:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Here's what it looks like on the ESPN trade machine

 >http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Funny thing is, the trade machine says that it makes both team worse!

Steve

by sswinburne on Nov 16, 2009 8:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It DOES make both teams worse.

Bell is the same player as Jackson (statistically) and Rad is worthless. So there you go. The only “improvement” would be payroll. Which the W’s front office will screw up anyway. So the only benefit at all might be having an inefficient turnover machine with a crippling contract, and attitude, out of the locker room. Other than that, the Warriors still have no rebounding, shot stopper, or serious defensive presence, and they still have nobody who can consistently get his own high percentage shot. This roster still has a long way to go to even begin thinking about the playoffs.

And to top it all off, they still have Nelson.

by formerlythecity on Nov 16, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see what there is to complain about

Yeah Jackson does many good things on the court, but his attitude outweighed his talent.. Not upset about getting Diaw because we get rid of the hideous contract Jack recieved, and Bell isn’t going to make errant shots. He is one person that will focus on defense more than his offense. I like the trade. And whatever we can get out of Vlad from the Three I’ll take

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by The Dedication on Nov 16, 2009 8:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just Saw The Team!

They are at Marquette today having practice before they fly out to Cleveland

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by The Dedication on Nov 16, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was having a horrible day....

Until THIS HAPPENED! SO PSYCHED! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!

A legit 3 point shooting biggish man, and a legitimate defender. Wow. Maybe we can win 30 games now?!!??!

I’m just on top of the world!

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by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2009 8:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

lol you of all people should realize how unfortunate this is…for all parties involved

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by GameSix on Nov 16, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's bad that Jackson had to leave in this way

But, it’s time. And In honestly believe that these tow player can do more for the team than Stephen Jackson can at this point.

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by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Radman reminds me of Zarko.

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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

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by kenntoe on Nov 16, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

That’s exactly what I was thinking. hahaha. Too bad Zarko never got to play with the We Believe team because of his injury. Who knows, he probably could have done a couple extra things to help the Warriors advance to the 2007 NBA WCF. hah.

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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I loved Zarko!

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by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson must really hate Nelson

I didn’t think he’d approve of going to a team that may actually be worse than the Warriors.

Steve

by sswinburne on Nov 16, 2009 8:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

from ESPN player card

Bell has been dealing with both a wrist injury and a calf strain as of late and returned to the lineup to play more than 30 minutes. His shooting is needed in the Bobcat’s lineup as much as possible.

Steve

by sswinburne on Nov 16, 2009 8:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Very Nice!

I was thinking that we might have to give up Turiaf or some other assett to move Jackson for 2 shorter contracts. Bell is an expiring and VladRad will be an expiring contract next year and atleast give us another ‘big’ player for the moment. Now that the Jackson Drama is finally over, we can focus on getting healthy and developing the youth into a cohesive unit.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 16, 2009 8:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is a fantastic trade for the Warriors

They essentially unloaded Jackson’s contract with minimal longer term salary implications.

This trade opens up minutes for Buike at the SF slot (which I am a big fan of), and the downside is that Nellie will probably give Bell some PT at the expense of Curry for this year.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 8:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Buike is out for the year!

by krazybalr on Nov 16, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The YEAR?

I hadn’t heard the 3-5 month prognosis yet.

Damn.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I am not 100% sure, anyone know his status?

by krazybalr on Nov 16, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In the last few minutes of digging

I’ve heard torn left patellar tendon and out 3-5 months a few different times. Might just be some sites parroting others, but it seems like the most reliable guess so far.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This trade opens up minutes for Buike at the SF slot

Grrr….can’t we just kill this mentality already? Why won’t it go away? Beyond Buike being hurt, if we wanted to play him at the 3, we could do that with or without Jack. (Actually, I’ll give a little leeway here on the grounds that we were trying to build Jack’s trade value)

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because that's not the way it works

Since the Warriors weren’t going to pull a Tinsley on Jack, he was going to get minutes. If Jackson was to get minutes, they would be at either SF or PF, with Corey needing to get his.

That’s just the way it is. Unless you’re making the argument that Nellie was going to willingly leave a healthy Jackson on the bench for full games (if so, I’ve got a fleet of unicorns to sell you), trading Jackson would have opened up minutes this year for Kelenna if he was healthy.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, the point is, if Kelenna really needed those minutes and provided a substantial upgrade over Jack…we’d be playing him. I like Buike a lot, but he’s not a game changer by any means. Being able to play Kelenna instead of Jack basically doesn’t change anything.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, the point is, if Kelenna really needed those minutes and provided a substantial upgrade over Jack…we’d be playing him.

That’s presuming perfect decision-making from Nellie. I know, I know, 1300 wins vs. some guy on a couch… still and all, Nellie has always overvalued Jack’s contributions. It was unlikely that he was ever going to play ‘Buike over Jack if it came down to one or the other, even if ’Buike became the better player, which he did, IMO. There’s value in denying Nellie a tool he overuses.

by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I respect Nellie’s understanding of the game and ability to see talent, though obviously he isn’t perfect. I think he’s undervalued a healthy Brandon Wright, for instance. However, I still think he’s good enough that he isn’t making any significant errors – even if Buike is better than Jack (or Wright should have played more), it’s not by much, and unlikely to really make any meaningful impact on our end result…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Nellie has generally lost the will of his players, at this point, but other than playing Miki Moore over anybody, I don’t buy all of the criticism he gets regarding player evaluation.

It was thoroughly aggrivating to watch Jackson play at times, but the difference of playing him over Bukie, Morrow or whomever on the Warriors, could not have been much.

It’s why, along with many others, I love the idea of trading Jax. There is no option to play him 43 minutes a game. The aggrivation is over.

by San Francisco Slim on Nov 16, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s also the, “I’d rather see ’Buike play for my own personal reasons” factor.

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by Naticus2 on Nov 16, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well…I won’t discount that. You’re well aware how I do not want Kirilenko for my own personal reasons…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

According to ESPN, there was a possible trade involving a resigned Wally Szierbiak & Delonte West for Jackson

by krazybalr on Nov 16, 2009 8:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

thank goodness

that didn’t happen

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by disguy on Nov 16, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

that the same exact trade with Wally as the expiring and West’s contract is only guaranteed for half a million. I am not saying thats a better deal, just saying its pretty much the same in terms of positives and negatives.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 16, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I like Watson way more than West.

I think Wally is as bad as Mikki Moore.

Jack would be going to a title contender.

I guess, I really don’t look at things in terms of money though haha.

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by disguy on Nov 16, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Watson way more than West.

Why? If you disregard West’s off court issues he’s a far better player.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 16, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

West is FAR superior to Watson. Good grief.

by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 16, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not seeing

how West is far superior than Watson.

West averages way more minutes than Watson since he’s been in the league. There’s no doubt that West is the better defender but that’s about it.

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by disguy on Nov 16, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just looking at their

per 36 career, it’s real close.

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by disguy on Nov 16, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I could settle this argument once and for all….

I started to google Delonte West to get his basketball reference page. Upon completion of the words Delonte West, the very first option googles little smart search thingy came up with was: “Delonte West Hepres”. That was googles first suggestion as to what I might be searching for. I think Watson wins this one in a landslide.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could spell….Herpes was obviously the intention.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Herpes was obviously the intention.

Not a statement you read every day.

by ffgolden on Nov 16, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

nice

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by disguy on Nov 16, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s no doubt that West is the better defender but that’s about it.

In other words: West is better at 1/2 of the game, but that’s about it. Look, I get that West’s off court problems are very troubling and he earns more than Watson, but I just wanted to know if those were the only reasons why he liked Watson “way more than West.”

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 16, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Delonte’s career may be over. We may have been getting nothing in return.

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by Naticus2 on Nov 16, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 just cause i really dislike both those individuals

Wally on our team and i’d feel angry, West on our team and I’d feel unsafe

by 123707THIZZ on Nov 16, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is under Nellie

Vlad will play the four, but you know what I am not too upset with it especially if the warriors can keep Mikki Moore off the floor. I really like the lineup of
Ellis
Bell
Ammo
Vlad
Randolph

The reason being Ellis best way to pass and get assists is the drive and kick and now their will be three shooters to spread the floor. In many ways I can see the warriors offense will be more similar to the suns now. I would be really happy if Buike was healthy and it sucks, he is down. By the way how long is he out for?

By the way I love this trade, mainly because I was ready to give up Jackson for anything. The only thing that saddens me is we lose Law who I always liked Texas A&M and was playing decent ball lately for the warriors.

Great trade

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 8:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Too bad Vlad about as good as Randolph in the post

On defense you’d continue to get killed with that lineup in the post. I lived though years with bad-vlad in Seattle and I’m none to happy he’s on the Warriors.

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by mcwalter44 on Nov 16, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Darn! LOL...

I had an “Above the Law” sign ready to go for the next home game hahahaha!

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by Tony.psd on Nov 16, 2009 8:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Haha

they were talking about that on the radio,

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by gametime_gsw on Nov 16, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it was sad to see Acie Law go

I liked him. Oh well, if it helps to dump Jack, then yay.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You can ship it off to some happy Bobcats fan in North Carolina. ha ha

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by Naticus2 on Nov 16, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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by sswinburne on Nov 16, 2009 8:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You could just post a link instead…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve, hyperlinking doesn’t work in the subject line. Although you probably figured that out by now..

by ffgolden on Nov 16, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

My favorite thing about this trade is that Jackson is going to a team that is just as bad if not worse than the Warriors. He screwed himself. Good luck ever making the playoffs scumbag.

He’ll present himself as a great guy at first, just like he did here, and in a year and a half, show his true colors, just like he did here and everywhere else he’s been.

by palmer_22 on Nov 16, 2009 8:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wanted Diaw soooo bad

Sadly, jack ruined it. no extension or acting out for trade, and i bet it happens

by tafkasam on Nov 16, 2009 8:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

perfect 3 though

good ball handler, TERRIFIC passer, unselfish and has a good shot. He was ideal cause we needed a wing player who involved teammates…

sadly i think we woulda seen a diaw/maggette front court. which would work TBH

by tafkasam on Nov 16, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how many 6-8, 235 lb guys have.....

a career 50% fg% with a 2 to 1 assist to turn over ratio. Even in years when he has passed alot his turn overs haven’t gone up percentage wise…

he’d help us play monta @PG.

by tafkasam on Nov 16, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s more that they weren’t going to give us Diaw than anyone doesn’t want him…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct. Diaw is valued pretty high as well he should be. Also he is not a wing player, especially not for us. He would have guarded 4 and 5 for us, and probably done a pretty good job.

by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 16, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

except maybe Larry Brown (who supposedly wanted to trade Wallace for him or Kaman last season). luckily for the Bobcats, Rod Higgins has some sense. not a lot, but some.

by homer simpson on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

listen to KNBR 680

they’re talking about the trade

Steve

by sswinburne on Nov 16, 2009 8:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Like this trade. Puts us in a better financial situation. Vlad is not a good rebounder for a 4, but we’re desperate, so I’ll take it for the time being before our big guys are healthy and we can slide him back to 3. Didn’t have to take any bad contracts back for Jack. Now, if we can just rid ourselves of Maggette’s contract, we might be looking pretty good for the future. I’m also sick of listening to people talk about Jack, so good riddance.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering

I woke up feeling great due to the sun coming into my room and I was confused. I was like why I am feeling so good, I only got three to four hours asleep. I was watching 1st and 10 and read the bottom line that said stephen Jackson had been traded and it all makes sense. Oh what a beautiful morning.

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

captain jack -thanks for the years

warriors are even worse off in what they got- nothing! its managementwith the problems!
heres a list of players wanting out- jr richardson traded , why? – mr french now with orlando magic, al harrington, baron davis, captain jack, the sharpshooter from italy bellini, and these guys were on the playoff team that beat dallas . o, dont forget chris mullin too! these team will not be in the playoffs for a long time as long as nellie is coaching and the stupid new management runs this team, wheres rick barry ?

by sports with steve on Nov 16, 2009 8:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

heres a list of players wanting out- jr richardson traded , why? – mr french now with orlando magic, al harrington, baron davis, captain jack, the sharpshooter from italy bellini

Every single one of these moves made sense for the Warriors. Getting rid of Ellis and Biedrins does not, they are both young, good and on relatively affordable contracts. This is not true of any of the other players. Jack’s contract was awful and a long term hindrance, getting out of it, plus getting out of his drama, are very positive benefits of this trade.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

But the Warriors are unequivocally better now without Jackson on the team. Period. Bell is the defender people around these parts claim Jackson is, and Radmanovic is a better shooter and rebounder. I’m stoked.

Don't worry about me Thurgood, I'll be fine. The robbery is what's important now.

by the guy on Nov 16, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More importantly- he was marginal at best.

by Reverend_Randy on Nov 16, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sigh

we are better for the future.
we add through subtraction.
we have more contract flexibility.

when has that ever worked for us?

by dso on Nov 16, 2009 8:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You have a point there

But Jackson was killing this team, just mentally draining it.

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

when has keeping a disgruntled player ever worked for us?

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 16, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we suck

I don’t think Nelson gets his win record this year

Steve

by sswinburne on Nov 16, 2009 8:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Initially, when I saw “Jackson traded to Bobcats,” it sounded to me like yet another action by mgmt motivated by spite, ignorance, or both. But, the more I look at it…the more I like it. Shave some money/years and unburden ourselves of a long term committment to a malcontent. That ALSO makes us more attractive to potential buyers!!! /dream

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by GameSix on Nov 16, 2009 8:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Warriors now have 14.35+ mil in expiring contracts.

Speedy (which is most valueable cause insurance picks it up) 5.2
Devean George 1.6
Mikki Moore 1.3
CJ Watson 1.0
Raja 5.25

They BETTER do something at deadline cause even if we let them all expire.. they’re still at 53.2mil which is right at or over the projected cap for next year (51-54mil)

by tafkasam on Nov 16, 2009 8:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Time for the Warriors to give the Knicks a call...

They have the space now to eat Curry’s deal. Ask for Gallinari, and don’t do the deal for any less.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that

Galliniari will be hard to fit in there drive for Lebron anyway, and he loves Curry

by tafkasam on Nov 16, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Talking about Eddy curry. Im pretty sure nobody “loves” eddy curry.

by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Thai curry

Maybe that’s what he meant.

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by worldblee on Nov 16, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For serious!

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 16, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His 2010/2011 season is another player option

If I was the knicks, I’d just offer him $11M to NOT use that player option. That way he gets his money and doesn’t hit their cap. And they wouldn’t have to part with a good player that will help attract the likes of LeBron. I’m pretty sure the CBA would allow something like this.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 16, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They're not allowed to do that

There’s a general anti-circumvention rule in the CBA that would absolutely be applied.

It’s an excellent idea, but the league has safeguards in on that.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No way the Knicks could do that is correct

That’s exactly what the Wolves tried to do with Joe Smith although the difference was to pay Smith.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this made my day

I’m so sick of Jackson’s ball hogging and turnovers. Good riddance!

by brewitt on Nov 16, 2009 8:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

no future

might as well get rid of bedrinis, ellis , watson too!

by sports with steve on Nov 16, 2009 9:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

not sure

where you’re getting at… this trade is very good for us if you fill in the lines…

by bojangles408 on Nov 16, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

steve get a job your trolling is old

by crab dribble cocktail on Nov 16, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

I can’t get over the irony of you calling someone out for trolling. One of the many reasons I actually read your posts. What can I say, you entertain me. ; )

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you really just put Watson in there with Biedrins and Ellis as our future? Do you really think a 31 year old malcontent being paid too much for too long is a good part of our future? This was made with the future in mind, and it makes sense.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Best trade ever

Mags deserves to start now at the 3. Bell can start at the 2 and teach Morrow how to become a defender and a 3 pt specialist. Vladram is a real wild card. One of the worst contracts in the NBA expires in 2011. He’s a proto Nellie 4, and won’t be in trouble for sucking at rebounding and not defending. He will draw 4s out and shoot over smaller wings. I see him being a valuable player believe it or not.

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by eshock on Nov 16, 2009 9:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

l o l

why do you think mags hasn’t had a full season as a starter for… 5+years?

Vladamir is a shooter on paper but ask the Lakers how good of a shooter he was for them. get ready for dunleavy-level frustrations watching this softie play

by dso on Nov 16, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

then again he could easily floorish in Nellie's system

and then he’ll have an expiring in 2010/11… and if he does well, teams will trade for him

by tafkasam on Nov 16, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not saying vlad will play that many minutes

but he is a proto nellie 4. not many teams would want a proto nellie 4 unless he was from germany. even then, how many coaches would have put a 7 footer down on the low block, nullifying his skill. vladram likes to do one thing and little else, and nellie will be okay with that, and play randolph/turiaf/biedrins at the post. none of those three can create, but they can pass and initiate the offense.

mags has been the quiet leader on this team this year. his attitude has been surprisingly professional. it doesn’t seem that losing bothers him. with the starting 3 spot open, nellie can establish mags from the onset, or not. the 15-assist jack is a valuable piece to lose, but now the passing/playmaking is going to have to come from someone else. mags has shown some ability at this. no one else can fill the point forward role now.

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by eshock on Nov 16, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i like your positive attitude

but just wanna say one thing: maggette isn’t being a “leader”. he’s not having a “professional attitude”. he’s just straight up oblivious/clueless, the NBA equivalent of a dinosaur: all brawns, no brain, happy when he gets his food/18 ppg to munch on

by dso on Nov 16, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i never met corey

but, from the last game report from “the dedication” Mags was apparently made a captain and came out late with Monta. locker room meeting perhaps? he’s not an emotional guy and he doesn’t make his teammates any better. rather, he’s an annoying player to watch hoist up well-defended 20 footers and driving to the hoop, head-down. but this isn’t your “we believe” dubs. this was the most dysfunctional team in the league. we’re not going to the playoffs this year. we haven’t had an allstar on this team for ever. just getting the young guys to be positive and professional is what matters. after that, we can concentrate on winning, making love to pressure.

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by eshock on Nov 16, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now, I fully expect Radmanovic to be soft, not play much D, not get many rebounds, and just not be that good all-around. But if we’re simply addressing his shooting ability, let’s give the man credit for his 38.4% career mark from 3. He also shot over 40% his last season and a half with the Lakers from downtown. That’s not Dunleavy levels. They’re legitimately good shooting numbers. He can do that one thing well.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He can do that one thing well.

 which is pretty pitiful for a big guy when a little guy can do that well plus move and handle too?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who’s the little guy you’re referencing, exactly? Plus the big guy has an advantage in that area – he can shoot over people the little guy can’t, or if he gets a big guy on him, some of those big guys aren’t much for perimeter D…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who’s the little guy you’re referencing, exactly?

 just generic little guys, they can shoot but not post up while a tough big man can use size to post up. We got plenty of little guys so we need tough bigs instead of more soft bigs.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would prefer a big that can rebound and adequately defend down low over Radmanovic, sure. We took what we could get for Jack, though, and it helps our long term picture, even if it is Radmanovic (who, as I said, I don’t think is very good all-around)…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mags should not start

He is a great 6th man and has been playing tough.

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 9:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree Nelly is a genius for what he did with Maggs

Maggs is the type of player that doesn’t need to be a starter to get his daily production. It is better to have our shooters that need to get in their groove first and tire out the starters then have Maggs beat up on the fatigued starters or bench players.

by bojangles408 on Nov 16, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

having vlad lets us play a size credible rad/mag front court w/ a center....

mags is best offensively at 4, and probably defensively. Vlad can shoot the 3

by tafkasam on Nov 16, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this would be a classic warrior moment if:

Raja Bell fails a physical then the trade gets rescinded…….yes!

On another note…we have now cornered the market in lying about injury scumbags

Monta – Moped
Radmanovic – Snowboarding

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by VonteegoCummings on Nov 16, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I imagine lying about injuries is a whole lot more common than you think. These guys are in their 20’s and 30’s, have money, of course they want to have fun. Except their contract prohibits them from doing anything fun. I have no doubt the rules get broken all the time, and every once in a while, someone pays the price. It’s not a uniquely Monta thing…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Except their contract prohibits them from doing anything fun.

 Haha, they are free to count their money and spend it at will.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

Be careful what you wish for. Sorry Jack. Good luck having the same freedom Nellie gave you under Larry Brown.

by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Nov 16, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

lol

New reasons to like this trade keep poppin up

by 123707THIZZ on Nov 16, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Jack didnt wish for this

He wanted to go to a Texas team, the Cavs, or the Knicks but Im glad he got stuck on the Bobcats. They actually may make a run at the 8th spot in the east though now.

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 9:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

starting lineup with injuries

Injured: Biedrins, Turiaf, Wright, Azuibuke

Starters
C- Moore
F – Radmanovic
F – Bell
G – Morrow
G – Ellis

Reserves
C- Randolph
F – Maggette
F – George
G – Watson
G – Curry

Steve

by sswinburne on Nov 16, 2009 9:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

that's a god awful team

really no other way to put it

by dso on Nov 16, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It looks a lot better

With Biedrins in the 5 spot instead of Moore. Hell, it looks a lot better with Randolph starting at 5 instead of Moore.

Don't worry about me Thurgood, I'll be fine. The robbery is what's important now.

by the guy on Nov 16, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It sucks

That Wright and Azuibuke will be out for the year

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well..

We all know that this was a TERRIBLE trade in terms of player value, but give the Warriors credit for getting out of one problem. Although they created the problem (signing him to a long term deal in the first place), they got out of it.

We Believe era is officially over.

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by RayAlmeda on Nov 16, 2009 9:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Terrible wasn't the word I was thinking... TERRIFIC

Dude Jackson is on the same level as Bell and Vladi. Just think of what Jackson was on his previous teams and what Nellie made him into after joining us. Everyones stats will almost double if you’re on a Nelly team. Remember that.

by bojangles408 on Nov 16, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he went from being an 18 ppg scorer to a 20 ppg scorer

mostly by becoming a volume shooter and lowering his efficiency

remember that

by dso on Nov 16, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson’s efficiency went up since he jonied the Warriors. He actually started getting close to average. However, if you’re trying to say his scoring is overrated because he isn’t an efficient scorer, just a volume scorer, I can agree with that.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

look at his fg percentages

44 ish percent to 41 ish after joiningi the warriors

by dso on Nov 16, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a narrow view on his scoring efficiency. The proportions he shoots his shots in matter a lot, too. Take a lot at his TS%. He’s done better since he joined the Warriors.

TS% – .521, .518, .512 in the 3 years before joining the Warriors. It was .540 the year he was traded to the Warriors (.550 during just his time on the Warriors that year). .536 and .530 the next two seasons.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Although they created the problem

This just reminds me that Rowell is a bigger problem than Nelson – and that’s saying something.

by homer simpson on Nov 16, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love ripping off former Warriors assistant GM's!

Have fun in Charlotte Jax!

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by Yoyo on Nov 16, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent trade...

… but realistically, any trade to get Jax out of here would have been a good trade. Let’s face it, the W’s were put in the worst possible situation, with no leverage at all. Just based on Jax’s contract alone, he was difficult to trade, and when you add in the “disgruntled” factor, there was no way any team would have offered anything of value. The W’s did well to get cap relief.

Seriously, addition by subtraction.

by barrance on Nov 16, 2009 9:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Getting someone who would run back to defend after being tripped (or simply fell by himself) after a layup is definitely worth it. Although I will miss the fastbreak 3’s, I am looking forward to a more “disciplined” run’n’gun. Too bad Buike is out (hopefully not for year).

by mond817 on Nov 16, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Miss the fast break 3’s?? Were you being facetious? I cringed everytime he took those damn threes. Lets see how Larry Brown will react after Jackson takes his first fast break 3 w/ the Bobcats.

by krazybalr on Nov 16, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it better be by tomorrow

if not, we’re down to a 7 man rotation with no Jack and no Law. With CJ and a possible swine flu, we’d be down to 6.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

I think that would be awesome to see, the warriors roll out 6 players to a professional basketball game. And you know the sad thing would be Randolph still wouldnt start.

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t you have to suit up 7?

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, 8. I was close. I remember we had some issues/concerns with this rule last year, and definitely suited up injured players to make that requirement…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Has an NBA team

Ever had to forfeit a game? Since the merger?

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see why they would, given that you have to have 12 players on your roster. At worst teams would do what we did – just dress injured players.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this was good timing cause if they cant play by tomorrow which i was assuming

It’s not like we were going to win anyway, and now we have a nice excuse! It is pretty funny to trade jack right before playing the Cavs too

by 123707THIZZ on Nov 16, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is pretty funny to trade jack right before playing the Cavs too

Hahahaha! Oh yeah, Jack, you were THIS CLOSE to showcasing yourself to a team you wanted. Too bad, hahahaha!

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha

You should see the image ESPN used on this story:

Hey Jack, you got traded to the Bobcats! A team that sucks as much as we do!


Er…? Say what?

You can thank yourself for opening your big mouth! Haha! Not to mention, this is EXACTLY what I was hoping for, to send him to a bottom feeding team. Hahahahahahahahahaha!

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 9:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

I seriously laughed really hard when I saw Jack was going to the Bobcats. Hahahahaha suckerrrrrr.

by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Nov 16, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Larry brown can coach Jack (big IF) this could be a huge trade for them...

the idea of…

augustin/felton
jack
wallace
diaw
chandler is NOT a bad starting 5 by any means. Play defense, can score, rebound etc.

by tafkasam on Nov 16, 2009 9:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

He should help them. Right now they are scoring the least amount of points in the NBA. With the suck Minnesota & the Nets are putting out there, that’s saying something.

by homer simpson on Nov 16, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And a good point by Matt Steinmetz
The Bobcats weren’t on Jackson’s original “wish list” of teams, however, his agent, Mark Stevens had said about a week ago that his client would be willing to play for any team if it meant getting out of Golden State.

So if you want to blame anyone, you can blame your agent, hahahahaha! Of course, it’s not like Jack had any power over where he was going to be traded anyway, but still, hahahahaha! OK, I think I’m too delirious on this news.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 9:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Raja Bell is a nice addition

If he can teach Morrow some better D, Morrow can become a viable starter

by tafkasam on Nov 16, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Boris Diaw

I know we had to get rid of JAckson for basically anything cause he was just going to be a cancer but why didn’t we at least get Diaw. Isn’t Brown unhappy with Diaw anyway?

by Kid Curry on Nov 16, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Larry Brown is unhappy with every player he has, but apparently someone in the Bobcats organization is not stupid enough to trade him for Jackson when the Warriors are desperate to move Jack (since all accounts are that Diaw was who the Warriors wanted).

by homer simpson on Nov 16, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No chance at Diaw

we woulda had to include something good. Maybe BWright since he’s a UNC guy

by tafkasam on Nov 16, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha

Just saw Morrow hit a shot from 3/4 court. And Nelson is outside smoking a cigar.

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by The Dedication on Nov 16, 2009 9:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

They're practicing

at Marquette… And I go work in the athletic department… They’re just having a bunch of fun today…. Only seriousness was when Nelson discussed Jack to the team

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by The Dedication on Nov 16, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How did the team take it?

Were they jumping up and down with joy?

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

No… They just collectively shook their heads and went about they way. Went into some walk throughs & now they just chilling

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by The Dedication on Nov 16, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Was CJ Watson there?

Was he wearing a mask? I don’t want him infecting the team with his flu.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

It seemed like not a lot. Maggs, Mikki, Morrow, Monta, Curry, Turiaf, AR, and I think that’s it. I did hear Monta say “This (faciity) makes me wish I went to college” and Morrow said “Hell yeah, this S*** right here is bad as hell! Why G Tech ain’t have S***” lol.

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by The Dedication on Nov 16, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't do it

I’m legally obliged to stay at work.

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by The Dedication on Nov 16, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, did he even mention Acie Law? Or did nobody notice that he was missing, including Nelson?

by belilaugh on Nov 16, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This

Made me laugh.

Don't worry about me Thurgood, I'll be fine. The robbery is what's important now.

by the guy on Nov 16, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who voted yes is retarded

This trade is just going to be another example of just how pathetic the Warriors franchise is and until David Stern grows a pair of testicles the Warriors will never see a winning team again with Chris Cohan in charge!

by Rocky63215 on Nov 16, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

And what you have done Genius

Warriors management has screwed up alot including the contract they gave Jackson, but they got out of this one reasonably well. Name a plausible trade that would have been better for the warriors?

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He was looking for a 3 way trade

That would had Cleveland and Miami sign LeBron and Wade, then trade them both to the W’s for Jackson and Law

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by Humboldt2Torreon on Nov 16, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fire Nellie! Fire Cohan! Fire Gregory! Fire David Stern! No need for explanations, just fire em all!

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm, could have sworn I hit reply to rocky’s comment…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

understanding trade value fail

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 16, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s pathetic is how the W’s got themselves into this situation. This trade however, is positive in that it’s a step in the right direction.

by barrance on Nov 16, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Capt'n Jack-up an ill advised 3 while running the point

is finally gone, I think the W’s are better by subtraction. We were not going anywhere with Steve-o and I really couldn’t stand the guy even in the good times! Good riddance, lets move forward. Bonus, a whiner goes to a complete non-contender!

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by Humboldt2Torreon on Nov 16, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Or...

Capt’n bring the ball up the court and force a penetration that’s not there leading to a TO and a fast break bucket for the opposing team

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by Humboldt2Torreon on Nov 16, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This gives us more height and more bulk

Not sure how well Raja defends
Rad’s numbers are pretty dismal this season, but he always looked good on the Lakers….

This could be a really good move for us… I for one am happy.

by FishStix on Nov 16, 2009 10:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, Bell, at age 33, is a better perimeter defender than anyone the Warriors had this season.

by homer simpson on Nov 16, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Summary

You’re right, we don’t need any more 20 ppg players with ego’s to manage. We get a shorter term contracts with guys that will be a rotational/ team players. Some how these seems like a good deal but I was really hoping for expiring money for THIS SUMMER. Apparently, in too high of demand. Jacks best years are behind him and he’ll be a problem like Iverson as he commences his career descent.

Having said that, let’s keep it real. Radman is a horrible, horrible defender. Has no lateral quickness to speak of doesn’t rebound either. Ugghh. Bell is old and made a career out of quickness which is fading fast. He’ll be gone next year but hopefully not before he teaches Ellis how to use his quickness to disrupt opposing offensive threats
.

by Balance on Nov 16, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One minor quibble

My guess is we’re going to see more Monta at the point and Bell at the 2, which would make the minutes a little less stable for Curry and Watson.

That said, I’m incredibly happy with the deal as long as Nellie doesn’t sit Randolph for Radmanovic all the time.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not very quick...

but good thoughts none the less.

by Newtybar on Nov 16, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, true dat.

by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec’d this, good thoughts.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd!

The most important bit IMO is that we DON’T need more scorers, we need rebounders and defenders. With this trade we have gained a little height, a little weight, and hopefully some defense to boot.

by FishStix on Nov 16, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very well put. Rec’d.

by WYK on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One quibble

My guess is we’re going to see more Monta at the point and Bell at the 2, which would make the minutes a little less stable for Curry and Watson.

That said, I’m incredibly happy with the deal as long as Nellie doesn’t sit Randolph for Radmanovic all the time.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One minor quibble

My guess is we’re going to see more Monta at the point and Bell at the 2, which would make the minutes a little less stable for Curry and Watson.

That said, I’m incredibly happy with the deal as long as Nellie doesn’t sit Randolph for Radmanovic all the time.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

role model

I think the thing that can’t get lost in all of this… is how much talent we all know that Monta has, and how much Raja can help Monta develop while he is here. For that reason alone, I really hope he’s able to hold off on his surgery. I think Jack was rubbing off on Monta, and not only did we get rid of that horrible influence, we got a vet who can show him the right way to play. Monta is still young, and seemingly somewhat easily influenced by the people around him.
Not to mention Curry… but because of his pedigree, it’s perhaps not as important for him to have a guy like Bell around. Still, can’t hurt.

by dubwise on Nov 16, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where do I sign the petition?

Don't worry about me Thurgood, I'll be fine. The robbery is what's important now.

by the guy on Nov 16, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right here!!

Seriously, the 10+ rec’s he’ll get for his comment speak volumes but it never hurts to let the management know how you feel.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

The man is a genius!

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by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

Great analysis!

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by Yoyo on Nov 16, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome thoughts as always

Pretty much what I thought, except I haven’t had the time to type it all up. I think the best part of this trade is that we get a solid Nellieball PF, something we desperately need. His rebounds aren’t as high as I’d like them to be, but he’s played as an SF most of the time, so hopefully he can get more on a pathetic rebounding team like the Warriors.

And I know it’s a good future move, but I’d just like to see another 30 some win team. You know, a team that sucks you in, makes you think they can make the playoffs at times, but then falls flat on its face and finishes 9th-11th. Just for fun.

And, super psyched to have a guy named “Vladimir” who is also “Rad” (Radical). Can’t get much of a better European name than that.

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by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is a good bit of self-awareness in this trade on our end.

I know, Rowell must not have been involved.

by homer simpson on Nov 16, 2009 10:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What’s funny is we got two players who do not distribute the ball as well as JAX, but they will not hog the ball and jack up bad shots as often which could offset the lost assists.
I am so glad to be rid of the only player in the league who will stop a flowing offense so he can get his own shot regardless of circumstances.

by warriorsvictim on Nov 16, 2009 10:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Im just ready for all the trade ideas

This team may win 25-30 games, in fact I would prefer if the team tanked and we were finally able to win the lottery.

Actually how is our pick traded to the Nets protected?

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 10:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It’s our pick next year, we did something like send the Nets a 2nd round pick so they would postpone getting our 1st rounder for a year. Sounds dumb, but it makes sense given the rules on teams trading consecutive 1st rounders. It gives us more flexibility to include draft picks in trades.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Good until he realizes that he doesn’t want to be here either and demands his own trade.

by aBulldog on Nov 16, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I will not be surprised at all when that happens

Unless there’s a coaching change.

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by worldblee on Nov 16, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not what I wanted, but I'll take it

Whoohooo!

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by goldenstatelove on Nov 16, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's going to be so fun...

to watch him ball hog for Charlotte and the turnovers especially when they play GS. It’s going to be fun watching him on a fast break lob up brick three pointers in fast break situations.

by brewitt on Nov 16, 2009 10:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I liked Jack...

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by ejdacanay on Nov 16, 2009 10:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I liked Jack...

  me too, I liked his swag and I like the way he got the man to pay him and I liked his rainbow threes to beat the lakers.
   Rad reminds me of soft play on the lakers and Bell reminds me of dirty play so I’m not too happy with this trade.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just wait a couple years down the line and see how Jack is working out for whatever team he’s on then (if he’s even still even an active NBA player) before judging it…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Radmanovich

So, early on in the winter of Dunleavy Jr.‘s Warrior’s fan discontent, there was a rumored trade straight up for Radmanovich with Seattle. Instead Dunleavy was traded for Jackson a couple of years later, who is now traded for Radmanovich.

BTW, I think Rad gets a lot of playing time at the 5, while Beidrins and Turiaf are out.

by San Francisco Slim on Nov 16, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I’m glad the team is going to save money with all this… but what are they going to do with it now that they are saving all this money from all these expiring contracts?

Are they going to target a player of need in the off season and over pay for that guy, like they did with Maggette?

OR, are they going to overpay the players they have now, just like they did with Jackson, Dunleavy, Murphy, Foyle, etc? I’m sure there were a bunch more, but I can’t think of them.

OR, is it just going to go into the owners pockets?

by aBulldog on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Eh, it just gives us more flexibility for anything. There are lots of possibilities, from the very good (helps make the team easier to sell) to the very bad (sign guys like Maggette/Jack and put us right back into the situation we’re trying to get out of). Who knows what’s going to happen, but for the moment, we’re in a better situation. I’m leaning towards using the money to pay our guys (who are better than Foyle, Murphy, Dunleavy, Dampier), so that’s a good thing. Monta and Biedrins were given pretty fair contracts…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis fair contract????

Ariza and Artest is getting paid mid level exceptions and you call Ellis 11 mil a year for 6 years fair? A player who can’t play defense, can’t be true PG, can’t shoot the three consistently, can’t be the leader and face of the franchise, too short for the two but to weak for the one, getting paid top money when noone would have given him 11 mil as a restricted free agent, reached his climax as a player, yeah sure fair contract. I could name 20 players who are better than him and add more to their team than Ellis. Ellis is good player but doesn’t deserve 11 mil a year.

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Nov 16, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You’re acting like 11M is superstar money. It is not. It is good player money, which is exactly what Ellis is. He’s 24, still very young for the league. He’s a very good offensive player. He’s not as bad defensively as he’s made out to be, and when he’s guarding 1’s, he’s actually fairly effective (much less so against 2’s, but oh well).

can’t be true PG, can’t shoot the three consistently

Tony Parker doesn’t fit either of these bills, either (especially when Parker was Monta’s age)….so what? Monta scores efficiently, and while he’s not much of a distributor (worse than Parker), it’s not like he’s Maggette out there, he can do some stuff. Who knows, maybe if we gave him a chance to play PG, he could have turned into one. Why don’t you check out Nash, Billups and Parkers career paths, for instance. Sometimes it just takes some time to grow into that role.

can’t be the leader and face of the franchise

Frankly, that’s meaningless babble. Monta is not a franchise superstar the way Lebron or Wade or Howard are, sure, I recognize that. He’s also not paid like one.

getting paid top money when noone would have given him 11 mil as a restricted free agent

He’s not getting paid top money. Here’s a list of the top 30 highest paid NBA players. They only have 30 listed, otherwise I would have included more and given you Monta’s exact rank. He is not in the top 30. Larry Hughes is. Peja Stojokavic is. Richard Jefferson. Kenyon Martin. Zack Randolph. You get the point. Of course nobody offered him a contract as a restricted FA – there’s only two possible scenarios for a team in that case. Scenario one, it’s a good deal so GS matches it. Scenario two, they overpay Monta so GS let’s them have him for way too much. There is no incentive for any team to offer him that kind of money.

reached his climax as a player

He’s 24. He’s basically played 2 full seasons to date. I don’t even know what to say to someone that says that as a fact.

I forgot to point out that Ariza just isn’t that good and Monta is a much, much better player than him. Artest as a player probably deserves more than the mid-level…but Artest is a unique circumstance, to say the least…

Yes, Ellis’ contract is fair, and made a whole lot of sense when he signed it for both parties.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Perfectly said.

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by Xero on Nov 16, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Monta's biggest problem is poor handles

If he wants to fix it, he can. If he improves it, he’ll be more than worth his money.

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by worldblee on Nov 16, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I can’t believe someone that’s been a guard his whole life, that’s always relied on driving to the hoop, that’s been playing as long and at as high a level as Monta, can still look half retarded when dribbling with his off hand. I really expect better out of him…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think his biggest problem is that he has some notion that he has to be a star, and seems to think this means shooting the ball more often, even if this doesn’t resulting in many more makes. It’s a common delusion among players, so it’s hard to be overly critical, but it’s still not helpful to the team.

That and Baron is a) not the player he once was and b) isn’t in Oakland anymore even if he was the player he once was. That’s probably Monta’s biggest problem.

by jae on Nov 16, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this, and this is why I’m hoping his little comment about not doing it means he doesn’t want to try to shoulder too much of the load himself. That’s not his strength, he was great as a complement to Baron – he doesn’t need many touches to be effective, he just needs another option to help open things up for him and get him the ball in the proper places at the right time. I hate possessions that involve a lot of Monta dribbling and nobody else touching the ball for 10-12+ seconds…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hollinger

Anybody have access to hollinger’s take? He now says he will change it anyway.

by bleep on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thinks the Warriors were the main beneficiary of the trade, by removing salary, in particular freeing up $11 million for next season.

Wondered if Bell might opt to have his wrist surgery now, since the Warriors are clearly uncompetitive and whether if the Dubs general lackluster attitude might incite Raja to demand to be be waived, since his contract is up at the end of the season. I tend to think Bell will play through his wrist injury and will give the Warriors the beneifit of the doubt (at least at first), because of his previous relationship with Nelson.

Interestingly, Hollinger wondered why the latest proposed deal with Cleveland wasn’t consumated – Jackson for Wally Szerbiak and Delonte West. This would have allowed the Dubs to cut both Szerbiak and West for imediate salary relief. Hollinger’s belief was that the Cavs most have backed out of that deal, because they didn’t want to get saddled with Jackson’s contract, in case LeBron splits next season.

by San Francisco Slim on Nov 16, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jack's agent Stevens response

“He’s happy about the trade, delighted about the trade,” Jackson’s agent, Mark Stevens, told Sheridan. “This is what he wanted, a new start, and this gives him a chance to compete. Plus, he’s a huge fan of that team’s president, Michael Jordan.”

Yeah…. right.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ha, great quote

I bet if you could have quoted Jackson when it first happened, you would have heard something large hit the wall, followed by “Charlotte? Are you F-ING kidding me? Charlotte?”

Don't worry about me Thurgood, I'll be fine. The robbery is what's important now.

by the guy on Nov 16, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Great deal!

If only for undoing the mess of Jackson’s contract extension. In theory, maybe we could have gotten more for Jackson if we never do that deal. Too late now.

But the truth is, Jackson isn’t a particularly effective player, even when he’s not asked to do too much. In his career, for example, he has never been above average in WP48. Now, he may make up for that with defense, but the notion that he’s a significant offensive piece for a good team is just not justified by anything in his resume.

I am totally baffled as to why Charlotte did this deal. I’m thrilled that they did, but what are they thinking with that contract?

by Ronaldinho on Nov 16, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Please dismantle the team!!!!

We now need to get rid of Ellis and Maggette. I am hoping Houston keeps wining like they did against the Lakers and the team opts to trade TMac rather than mess up with the team chemistry. We could package Ellis and Maggette for TMac and his 23 mill expiring contract. That will be sweet along with the 10 mill from Bell and Claxton salaries. We would have close to $35 mil in cap space to get rid of Nellie and bring in a good coach who can attract top caliber players to play along with the core we got Curry, AR, Morrow and Biedrins. Dismantle this team from now and start from scratch, this team won’t win more than 30 games, we need to think about 2010 free agency. Btw, Radmanovich is injury prone player just like Maggette.
How many worthless players do we have now, Claxton, George, Moore, probably Bell if he chooses to have a season ending surgery, B. Wright who is injured. Best plan, trade Ellis and Maggette and I will be really happy. Future starts with bold moves made now.

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Nov 16, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I didn't know it was "offer trades that will NEVER be accepted" season

The Rockets wouldn’t take Monta and Maggette’s contracts, especially not for an asset like T-Mac’s gigantic expiring deal. The Rockets have Trevor Ariza on a fantastic deal, Battier has another season, and they got Budinger who can play minutes. They will not kill any roster flexibility to add $20m in salary at positions where they don’t need guys. Having a good GM is the reason they have reasonable salaries and might have space in the very near future.

Regardless, the Warriors would not be $35 mill under the cap if they made your deal- they’d be closer to $22m, and that doesn’t include Buike’s player option or any picks. Getting $35m in expiring contracts does not mean the team is $35m under the cap when the team is over the cap right now

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

Ok, I see what you saying about Tmac for Magg and Ellis but doesn’t mean we can’t get rid of these contracts. Lets say hypothetically we trade Magg to the Wolves for Blount and Ellis to the Cavs for ilgauskas. We would get rid of 20 mil right there plus 10 mil from Bell and Claxton. Add all those to Watson, George, Mikki which adds up another 4 mil (3.9 close to 4), we would have 34 mil and if my calculation is right we only have 21 mill in salary for next year. If next year cap is 51 mill, we would have 30 mil in cap space along with mid level which might be 5 mil and 1.5 bi salary. The luxury tax would begin after 66 mil (I am guessing) so we could actually have $45 mil in cap space before we pay any luxury tax. My point is no matter what the real number ends up, we would have the most money to sign two top players instead of one and we can attract a good coach with this huge cap space along with potential good role players like Morrow, Curry, AR and Biedrins.

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Nov 16, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You know, while I don’t think that’s a good strategy at all, having that much money with the players we have, theoretically, could be good. Not that someone like Lebron would realize we actually do have good players after we win 20 games, and not that anyone good would want to coem to the Warriors, but just theoretically we would probably be in the best combination of talent + cap space + market of anyone. If Wade + Lebron really wanted to win titles together….

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What team is going to trade for Maggette right now?

Monta absolutely has value, but Corey is horrendously overpaid. Minnesota gains nothing by adding him, since their other option is to just save that money and get someone younger and/or better either via a different trade or in free agency.

I can’t think of 10 players in the NBA that teams would trade straight up for Maggette taking their goals and financial situations into account.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we would have 30 mil in cap space along with mid level which might be 5 mil

If we are under the cap by more than the mid-level, we lose the mid-level. You must renounce else it counts against your cap figure whether or not you use it. Also, our draft pick counts before we can sign free agents and we must have a full team, which means if we’re below the 12 man min roster, the league computes as if we’ve filled those spots with min salary players. That’s not huge, but it does cut into things.

by jae on Nov 16, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck finding a 24 year old as good as Ellis on the FA market to come to the Warriors. You’re much more likely to end up with another Maggette like player, or hugely overpaying for a Gilbert like player like we tried to do last year. No thanks, I’d much rather have Ellis @ $11M.

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good riddance

I’ve been waiting for this day for a long time. I was never a fan of Jackson despite his “heroics” and leadership during the We Believe run. We essentially got rid of a grossly overpaid, hugely inefficient, and turnover-prone cancer for two low-volume gunners with expiring deals for this year and next. Not a bad trade considering how much money we save in the long run.

This isn’t to say Raja or Rad will have any sort of significant impact, because they won’t. If anything, we might have gotten worse. But hey, we won’t have to deal with Jackson’s bloated contract and ego for another three years.

by WYK on Nov 16, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What I wanna know

Jordan what are you doing allowing this?

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 16, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The same thing hs has been doing since taking over the Bobcats. Making them worse for the future.

by San Francisco Slim on Nov 16, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not even, man.

by Reverend_Randy on Nov 16, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

10% of a positive number is still a positive number. Jordan the exec appears to be a negative.

by jae on Nov 16, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trading with Cavs

Imagine Jack was traded to the Cavs and we got West and Wally. A psycho and a bum, for Jack who would play with Lebron and Shaq. Let say he wins a ring, starts talking thrash about the Warrriors, that would have been a bad PR move, I guess that why they didn’t want pull that move. But I agree with Hollinger, West and Wally would have given us more room in the trade deadline.
So how would our lineup look after this trade?

PG Ellis
SG Bell
SF Maggette
PF Rad (AR when Biedrins or Turiaf gets back)
C AR

Waaaarroirs

by puffylove on Nov 16, 2009 11:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oops...

I’ll take it.

Under the circumstances I think it was a good deal. It was a salary dump that brought in what may be somewhat useful players in the short term. I think that’s all we could ask for with the entire NBA knowing that Jack wanted out and was happy to make noise in the media about it.

I think it’s pretty clear that this team is smack in the middle of a remodel. The only problem is will the changes go high enough? We’ve got some pretty decent young players on the roster, but nobody to really build your franchise around. I don’t think any amount of player shuffling will really solve our underlying problems which are Rowell and Cohan. I try not to think about upper management and ownership much because frankly it’s just frustrating and pointless, but let’s hope that some of the recent drama and the prospect of yet another franchise rebuild will look daunting enough to convince these guys to walk away from basketball.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Quick...

change your wallpaper before I have to watch Kobe play 82 times a year.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Would have liked Diaw..

But I’m glad Jack’s gone. That’s step 1! Step 2 lets get rid of Nellie!

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by Xero on Nov 16, 2009 12:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I read this on Yahoo just before lunch and when I came onto here there is already close to 300 comments. Tells you one thing, most are at least relieved that something got done even if there is some disagreement.

I like it, not for the quality of player were getting back but for getting a big we desperately need and Bell, who will be great to work with Morrow, Ellis and hopefully Bukie, if and when he gets back.

Oh and then, there is that whole Jack is not here and didn’t get his crybaby wish thing.

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by qin on Nov 16, 2009 12:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Marc Speas on KNBR was saying he thinks Rad might be good with us

shooting 3’s something like Gallanari over in New York………yeah I dont see that at all

by 123707THIZZ on Nov 16, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

shrewd I approve heartily of this trade

fits our roster needs if only our centers can both be healthy we’ll be 2nd to LAL in the division

by polar on Nov 16, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

no the suns will not keep it up

yes they are too old yes I am glad we didn’t get Stoudemire

by polar on Nov 16, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why didn't we try to get Diop out of them?

Getting an extra big would not be bad but I still like the deal.

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by dubzfan on Nov 16, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Diop has one of the worst contracts in the league

Averages about $6.75m per season, and is paid through 2013.

by dprodigy19 on Nov 16, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How bout Nazr?

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by dubzfan on Nov 16, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone loses!

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by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

gswscribe tweets just now

Monta: “I’m not going to put no more on my back. Somebody else gone have to step up and take on the role that Jack had and be that player.”

GM Larry Riley: “All in all, after evaluating the thing for several weeks, it was important that we do it now.”

Nellie: “I’m happy for Jack. Something had to be done. I’m happy with the trade. As good as we could do under the circumstances.”

The Monta quote is a little worrisome, depending on what tone he used to say that. To a degree, I agree with him, because he can’t be the only guy out there leading the team, especially towards the end of games. But if he’s using the tone of “I’m doing my part and that’s all”, then we got trouble with Monta.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 2:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Definitely a lot of ways to interpret that comment. My thoughts are hopefully that means Monta doesn’t want to be an AI type that dominates the ball all game long. He’s so good off the ball, he really doesn’t need to have it in his hands often to be effective, which I think is a rare skill that should let us bring in a real #1 option (something Monta is not) and they can play well together.

Let’s hope it’s not just Monta pouting and giving up on the team…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis said what needed to be said

He’s letting everyone know that we need a youngster to step up. This could work out very well for us. I’d love Morrow or Curry to step up in the leadership role. Come to think of it, those two are already very vocal on the court and I’ve seen Curry many times yell out on the defensive end to his teammates to make sure everyones guarding a man.

The locker room will be a lot less tense now. All we need to do is get rid of Nellie and our team will have a completely different attitude (which we need).

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by Xero on Nov 16, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s kind of how I read it too… that Monta’s talking more about scoring than leadership.

by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, and we also must keep in mind the problem with taking quotes out of context

like at the beginning of the season with the “I can’t play with Curry” quote.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The fantasy fallout

What do you guys think the fantasy impact of the deal will be? Buike would’ve been huge, but it’s too bad about the injury. I think Morrow has the most upside, and Curry will definitely reemerge as a sleeper. And as some of you have pointed out Vlad is definitely a prototypical Nellie big man. Feel free to check out my latest article and let me know what you think here or there.

by steven (@fantasyhoopster) on Nov 16, 2009 2:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think Vlad is probably the biggest fantasy winner here, though I think Maggette, Monta and Morrow all probably get a slight bump in value too.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 16, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Suns fan here ( living in the Northbay )... you guys will be glad you got Raja

here’s what you can look forward to, assuming things pan out and his wrist isn’t bothering him too much:

- great spot up 3 shooter..and he’ll fit right into Nellie ball from his years with the suns

-good Bball IQ… you’ll want him on the floor in the final minutes..clutch shooting, lock down man to man D, good court vision

- Toughness to your backcourt-although fans seem to think he’s on the downswing ( and at 33, he may have lost a step, but then bowen was effective way past 33 ) he is still seen as a top defender by those in the leaque…also can handle the ball if needed.

- Locker room presence- as mentioned by others above, he’ll be a great mentor to some of your younger guys if they are open to it…kobe clothesline= instant cred

 SO all in all, if he can play thru his wristpain, and Nellie actually intends to use him, you can expect your team to have some new found toughness that Jackson, for all his tough guy posturing, never had…

by Fritzy on Nov 16, 2009 2:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

kobe clothesline=instant cred

you are right, plus bragging rights lol

I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck

by chili01 on Nov 16, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

From Marcus Thompson, how the Warriors will prepare for the short roster

“The Warriors are hoping Radmanovic can play Tuesday at Cleveland. Golden State is down to seven players, six if guard C.J. Watson (flu) isn’t able to play. The Warriors are flying in Devean George and suiting up center Ronny Turiaf, just in case.”

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I always perversely enjoy games like this… fun to see what happens when guys just have to keep playing, no matter what they screw up. Randolph will get some serious burn, if nothing else.

by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

we have a back to back with boston afterwards

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 16, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True… could be ugly, although I assume Radmanovic will be present for that one, at least.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, it wouldn’t be a terrible time to turn Devean George’s roster spot into a body we can use.

by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

is everybody happy with this trade?

the good teams spend money on players and the warriors cant keep players because of upper managment and nellie. if mullin was still here the warriors would be together but there not. who is the leader of this team. cory? monta? george? who? this team is in limbo with no defense. the game the other nite was no d and launch the ball and hope we make it! wow what a game plan!

by sports with steve on Nov 16, 2009 6:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

bobcats getting the 8th spot not the warriors

warriors will be lucky if they get the 12th spot! lol, sorry gang but i have to say it. there is no d on this team. no big guys and all small ball , run run curry and ellis not like run tmc.

by sports with steve on Nov 16, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

no big guys

Untrue, we actually have 4 legit big guys, the problem is 3 of them can’t play because they’re hurt, and the other is hurt, but not enough to stop him from playing. What about this concept is so hard for fans to wrap their head around? I honestly don’t get it. The Lakers wouldn’t have any real big men either if Bynum, Gasol and Odom all went down, what’s your point?

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Lakers wouldn’t have any real big men either if Bynum, Gasol and Odom all went down, what’s your point?

 that we need guys like bynum, Gasol, and Odom probably?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can get on board with that…

by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not like they’re competing for the same 8th spot…

by Reverend_Randy on Nov 16, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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